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Tribal Warfare
09-21-2011, 02:39 AM
Decimated by knee injuries, Chiefs embark on joint recovery (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3156626/chiefs-embark-on-joint-recovery.html)
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

Long after the pain and shock have faded, plenty of questions and uncertainty remain.

Three days after Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles suffered a season-ending knee injury, joining tight end Tony Moeaki and safety Eric Berry with torn anterior cruciate ligaments, the Chiefs are attempting to make sense of how they could be dealt such a devastating hand. In three weeks, three of their starters were lost for the season, placed on injured reserve with the same injury.

“Sometimes through preparation, sometimes through just freak happenings,” coach Todd Haley said. “We’ve seen a little bit of each.”

After a mostly relaxed preseason in which the Chiefs, ironically, designed training camp to ease players back into football conditioning and prevent injuries after the more than four-month NFL lockout, they might be wondering if they could’ve done more to prevent an injury that occurs in a split second but affects an entire season.

James Gladstone is an assistant professor of orthopedics at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York. He said it’s tempting to think the lockout or Haley’s preseason strategy contributed to the Chiefs’ misfortunes. Instead — and for better or worse — there was little the team could’ve done to prevent those injuries, he said.

“A lot of bad luck, basically,” Gladstone said. “Even the most well-conditioned athletes, doing the best preparation imaginable, get ACL tears.”

Moeaki was injured in the Chiefs’ final preseason game at Green Bay. Berry, trying to change directions, tore his ACL early in the first quarter Sept. 11 against Buffalo. He will have surgery next week; procedures are usually scheduled weeks after the initial injury to allow any swelling to subside. And Charles, the team’s dynamic back who finished second in the NFL in rushing last season, was injured near the sideline this past Sunday against the Lions.

Each injury happened in an instant, and what follows, Gladstone said, is a long spell of inactivity, followed by surgery and rehabilitation. He said players almost never try to run for 10 to 16 weeks after surgery, and there’s time spent after that trying to cut and pivot — movements common among positions that rely on quickness and agility, such as those played by Berry and Charles. Players aren’t often 100 percent for about six months.

And most times, the first stage of recovery isn’t even the most difficult.

Priest Holmes, the former Chiefs running back, tore his ACL during a spring practice before his senior season at the University of Texas. The injury occurred, he said, after a long practice run; as he turned to head back toward the huddle, a teammate tripped, falling into Holmes’ leg and shredding the ligament that connects the thighbone and shinbone.

“A number of things, of course, cross your mind,” he said. “Definitely, self-worth is one of the things that cross your mind. You immediately understand as a football player, when you’re injured, you’re at the back of the bus.”

Holmes said many injured players begin to think of their futures in football. In Holmes’ case, his fears were rooted in reality: Ricky Williams passed Holmes on the Longhorns’ depth chart, going on to shatter rushing records and win the Heisman Trophy, and amid fears that Holmes couldn’t stay healthy, the Texas running back went undrafted in 1997, about two years after his injury.

“When you have an ACL tear,” Holmes said, “there’s just time that’s in front of you now. That’s the thing that really hurts.”

That, and the question of how the injury will affect a player’s career. Gladstone said ACL replacement surgery — a healthy ligament is usually taken from either a cadaver or a different part of the patient’s leg — is usually enough to repair the injury. He added that a repaired ligament is in no greater danger of being torn again, despite examples such as the one endured by Carolina Panthers linebacker Thomas Davis, who on Sunday tore the ACL in his right knee for the third time in less than two years.

Even for players suffering from their first tear, learning to trust the injured knee is an obstacle.

“The biggest issue is the confidence factor,” Gladstone said. “… That can take a little while.”

Still, there’s no guarantee a player won’t suffer long-term effects. In 2006, the American Journal of Sports Medicine published the findings of a study that centered on how NFL players performed after suffering ACL tears. Gauging the results from running backs and wide receivers over five years, it found that 21 percent of players were unable to return at all. Those who did play again saw a one-third decrease in productivity, according to the study, usually associated with knee stiffness and loss of strength.

“Basically telling us,” Gladstone said, “that it’s not a slam dunk.”

The doctor emphasized that there are few absolutes in knee injuries, how they’re suffered or how athletes respond to them. In Holmes’ case, he actually became faster. Before his ACL tear, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds; after his recovery, his time had been trimmed to 4.3 seconds. Even now at age 37, he said, his surgically repaired left knee is stronger than the one that never required surgery.

“I never really understood it,” he said, “to this day.”

Of course, Holmes went on to further beat the odds, signing with Baltimore as an undrafted free agent in ’97, then becoming a star with the Chiefs. He reached three Pro Bowls and was selected offensive player of the year in 2002 by The Associated Press.

He said that, even immediately after his ACL tear, he knew that his work ethic would carry him toward a full recovery — even if he had to do it mostly alone. Injured players see their teammates only in passing, and support often comes only from team leaders or close teammates.

He said strong-willed players are able to bounce back anyway.

“It goes back to how these athletes are going to be built and what they’ve done in the past to get to this point,” he said. “… Those individuals can bounce back, because they have something innate and internal that allows them to have that drive: That when no one is there watching, they’re still pushing themselves and doing the things necessary.”

Holmes said the following months will be a test for Moeaki, Berry and Charles — to say nothing of what the Chiefs face without them.

“Right now,” the former All-Pro rusher said, “this is a road that they have to travel alone. If they’re able to bounce back and show their fortitude, then they’ll be back — and they’ll come back just as strong as they were.”

BigMeatballDave
09-21-2011, 02:53 AM
I think Berry will come back from this just like he was. He's that type of player. Maybe Charles, too.

Not sure about Moeaki. He seems fragile.

BossChief
09-21-2011, 03:04 AM
So, Houston will be helping them recover with a little puff puff pass?

crazycoffey
09-21-2011, 03:04 AM
too long11!!!11!

BossChief
09-21-2011, 03:07 AM
It would be cool is Priest would be brought in as a consultant to help with the rehabbing for our injuries.

Dude had what it took to rebound from multiple major injuries and he surely could help us get back to full strength by opening day next year.

Stanzi/Luck would surely appreciate the help.

Tuckdaddy
09-21-2011, 03:09 AM
If we can somehow get Luck I will have a street parade. We need him.

BossChief
09-21-2011, 03:13 AM
If we do get Luck, has a QB EVER been in position with so much pressure?

Tribal Warfare
09-21-2011, 03:17 AM
If we do get Luck, has a QB EVER been in position with so much pressure?

Peyton Manning is the only other one I can remember, because of his stock and acclaim.

Hog Farmer
09-21-2011, 03:48 AM
Does every fucking thread have to turn into a "LUCK" thread !

donkhater
09-21-2011, 06:37 AM
Berry, trying to change directions, tore his ACL early in the first quarter Sept. 11 against Buffalo.

???
Doesn't he mean Johnson was trying to change the direction his knee went?

memyselfI
09-21-2011, 07:20 AM
Pot is about the only thing going to make this season doable. :banghead::cuss:

oh, not that kind of joint. Well nothing else has worked so maybe...

Bane
09-21-2011, 07:30 AM
If we do get Luck, has a QB EVER been in position with so much pressure?
Only every QB that ever played in NY,Dallas,Pitt,etc.......

Does every ****ing thread have to turn into a "LUCK" thread !

Like Pisoli is gonna draft him anyway.

movinbones
09-21-2011, 07:40 AM
Position wise Berry and Moeaki will be at 95-100% game speed by Sept-Oct of next year with proper rehab and determination.

Charles won't be full speed until 2013... Go back and look at RB's with ACL tears.. they come back the next year but its usually year 2 before you see that burst that is needed for that position.

Otter
09-21-2011, 08:07 AM
Half a page to tell us that full recovery from ACL & MCL tears are uncertain.


http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/files/2011/07/Screen-shot-2011-07-20-at-9.46.09-AM.png

Sofa King
09-21-2011, 08:19 AM
Interesting article.

FRCDFED
09-21-2011, 08:35 AM
In this case none of the three will be rehabbing alone. I'm sure they will be spending a LOT of time together pushing and motivating each other to make it back to the field. Hopefully that will have great results for the Chiefs. Look at TO as an example of someone self motivated.

Reerun_KC
09-21-2011, 08:40 AM
Only every QB that ever played in NY,Dallas,Pitt,etc.......



Like Pisoli is gonna draft him anyway.

As bad as I want a 1st rd QB drafted here in KC...

IF Pioli passes on Luck... I actually think some of these guys would kill themselves... The fallout would be so priceless. I wouldnt miss it for the world.

Maybe we should start a memorial trust fund for these guys families... LIke a CP trust fund, just incase..

I am kind of excited about it, Either we are jumping for joy, or laughing our assess off as people start eating bullets... Either way, should be a good time in the near future...

Priest31kc
09-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Found this post interesting:

Your posting, while containing much factual information, doesn't present the full picture in the sense that you are drawing a blanket conclusion for what is actually quite a varied situation.

Ten years ago your conclusions would have been mainstream and indeed quite probably the "gold standard" when discussing ACL injuries.

Today, given the advances in surgical technique and improved post-surgical rehabilitation pathways, it is actually quite common for an athlete, and indeed athletes at the NFL level, to recover COMPLETELY without ANY loss of function and skill.

The difference today as to how an athlete recovers is due primarily to the severity of the original injury.

Having personally observed, in the operating room, the surgical repair of literally hundreds of ACL's, I can testify that the term "ACL tear" covers a wide-ranging degree of severity from an injury standpoint. The ultimate recovery and degree of function obtained post-surgery depends in large part as to where the ACL was torn, the amount of primary and secondary injury to the ligament and, on occasion, surrounding/adjactent structure(s). That is where the advances in surgical technique, including the basic methodology used to access the knee joint itself, are key in determining the ultimate recovery.

It is like saying that a broken arm is a broken arm....not true. A greenstick fracture will heal better than a communated one, ... and the healing of a compound fracture is different than the healing from any other type of fracture.

Plus there ARE people who, for whatever reasons, don't "heal properly"....don't know why, but if you perform the same operation on 100 people with the same degree of original injury, and the rehab course is exactly the same, and the dedication of the patient to their recovery is the same, you will have a certain percentage that "beat the odds" on how well they recover, and a certain percentage that don't recover fully. That is down to the individual patient's own body, and to a certain extent there is nothing medical science can do about it.

Bottom line, I am NOT saying you don't have a legitimate point, and what you posit may actually become the "reality" for the injured Chiefs players we are discussing. The scenario you paint may VERY WELL be what ultimately happens, but the odd's ARE against advocating such a blanket negative ultimate outcome.

A final note on ACL tears, I have had my left knee surgically repaired three times because of ACL injuries, and with a lot of hard work/pain and enduring of sheer drudgery associated with painful and boring rehab, my knee is now as good as it was pre-injury.

I am NOT an elite athlete (DID play RB at a small college however), but I can today still play a somewhat mean style of racquetball and the sudden cutting and direction changes required are not hindered by my surgically repaired knee.

Thirty years ago, I would, most likely, have not been able to make such a statement.

Priest31kc
09-21-2011, 08:59 AM
I knew it also depended on the severity of the tear as well....of course we probably won't ever find out how severe each ACL tear is.....but this definitely makes me feel better....

Bane
09-21-2011, 09:20 AM
As bad as I want a 1st rd QB drafted here in KC...

IF Pioli passes on Luck... I actually think some of these guys would kill themselves... The fallout would be so priceless. I wouldnt miss it for the world.

Maybe we should start a memorial trust fund for these guys families... LIke a CP trust fund, just incase..

I am kind of excited about it, Either we are jumping for joy, or laughing our assess off as people start eating bullets... Either way, should be a good time in the near future...

WORD!