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Deberg_1990
09-22-2011, 07:56 AM
http://www.kcconfidential.com/full_content.php?article_id=23074&full=yes&pbr=1


610 Sports afternoon host Nick Wright now says on the air that he believes Chiefs coach Todd Haley will soon be gone. And Nick really likes Todd and thinks he is a good coach in a bad situation. But Nick believes Scott Pioli is also to blame and blames him hard.

It's now also known that Todd and Scott do not get along and haven't for some time.

All of which adds up to the following; its just a matter of time before Haley is let go by the Chiefs. Word at Woodside - where I met Haley during his first season - is that the decision has already been made. I think the Haley family is getting ready to leave Kansas City soon. Not until after it's official, of course. I also believe Haley will land a post in the NFL or College Football, but probably not as a head coach in the NFL.

Many other radio sports guys are saying how shocked they are at Chiefs being so bad and that nobody saw this coming.

Bullshit! I know someone who did. ME. I never bought into the preseason, "We lose on purpose" crap. The Chiefs just plain stunk. And that 2-5 down the stretch last year showed me we were a bottom seven or eight team by the playoffs. After the preseason we were a bottom five team.

And after the injuries, we are the worst team in the NFL that includes Indy and Seattle, who are right next to us.

The new power rankings have the Chiefs DEAD LAST.

So now Nick wants to SUCK FOR LUCK.l

Lose every game to get Andrew Luck as our first round draft pick next year. He's the No.1 quarterback in college ball.

I feel the team has quit, they know Haley's a goner, so they're kinda no shows. The Chargers can score whenever they want too against us. We have only two weapons, fumble fingered Dexter and D-Bowe. Wow. That means less than 10 points a game, unless there are turnovers.

Looks like another plus 40 point loss this week. We are already setting several stink records. For example, we're on our way to the most points a team has been beaten by in three straight games. Three playoff teams are 0-2, the Chiefs, the Rams and Seattle. The Chiefs and Seattle really stink and Rams will be lucky to win six.

How the mighty have fallen...

rageeumr
09-22-2011, 07:58 AM
Woodside gossip is now a credible source?

I hate new journalism.

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2011, 08:03 AM
This is excellent. An interim head coach will sow seeds of discord among the players and result in chaos, disorganization and best of all, lack of effort.

So without further adieu, making his 2011 debut...

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/vil2.gif

BigRock
09-22-2011, 08:06 AM
Should probably mention that this is Craig Glazer and not actual NFL reporter Jay Glazer.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 08:07 AM
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The Bad Guy
09-22-2011, 08:12 AM
This is horrendous. The Rams were a playoff team last year?

Dave Lane
09-22-2011, 08:13 AM
That's a credible story. His source? Nick Wrights odd musings.

Deberg_1990
09-22-2011, 08:16 AM
The Rams were a playoff team last year?

If you count week 17 as a playoff game.

Bane
09-22-2011, 08:16 AM
Well.....Bye...

tymania
09-22-2011, 08:16 AM
The comments on that article are hilarious.. people calling out Glazer like crazy

NewChief
09-22-2011, 08:19 AM
Should probably mention that this is Craig Glazer and not actual NFL reporter Jay Glazer.

Uhh. Yeah. That makes a huge difference.

durtyrute
09-22-2011, 08:20 AM
Why is everyone blaming Todd for this when we just went to the playoffs last year. He got this team into shape and had us fighting the whole damn year and now people want to kick him to the curb.

kc rush
09-22-2011, 08:20 AM
Should probably mention that this is Craig Glazer and not actual NFL reporter Jay Glazer.

No kidding. I was reading this and thought it was strange then I saw the link was to Hern Christopher's love letter to Craig Glazer site.

I'm glad Greg Hall left that site so I never need to go back there again.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 08:25 AM
Why is everyone blaming Todd for this when we just went to the playoffs last year. He got this team into shape and had us fighting the whole damn year and now people want to kick him to the curb.

I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 08:25 AM
More spam! Awesome!

KCUnited
09-22-2011, 08:34 AM
I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

All of this.

The offensive game plan has to be constructed around Cassel's limitations, the offensive coaching staff has to be constructed around Haley's limitations. Bill Muir is Haley's check down.

dallaschiefsfan
09-22-2011, 08:37 AM
This article provided by another local computer owner using the inter-web in his mom's basement.

Bob Dole
09-22-2011, 08:49 AM
A questionable source citing a questionable source, and calling it news.

Wow.

Sofa King
09-22-2011, 08:55 AM
A questionable source citing a questionable source, and calling it news.

Wow.

That's all we got in KC right now, and it often spews over into the national news via these dumbass writers in KC.

ChiTown
09-22-2011, 09:01 AM
Rule #1 when reading KC Confidential: Unless it's article written by Greg Hall, ignore it.

Deberg_1990
09-22-2011, 09:04 AM
Rule #1 when reading KC Confidential: Unless it's article written by Greg Hall, ignore it.

heh, true..ill give Glazer a little credit. He predicted this season was going to be disaster from the 1st preseason game.

Ace Gunner
09-22-2011, 09:05 AM
http://www.kcconfidential.com/full_content.php?article_id=23074&full=yes&pbr=1


610 Sports afternoon host Nick Wright now says on the air that he believes Chiefs coach Todd Haley will soon be gone. And Nick really likes Todd and thinks he is a good coach in a bad situation. But Nick believes Scott Pioli is also to blame and blames him hard.

It's now also known that Todd and Scott do not get along and haven't for some time.

All of which adds up to the following; its just a matter of time before Haley is let go by the Chiefs. Word at Woodside - where I met Haley during his first season - is that the decision has already been made. I think the Haley family is getting ready to leave Kansas City soon. Not until after it's official, of course. I also believe Haley will land a post in the NFL or College Football, but probably not as a head coach in the NFL.

Many other radio sports guys are saying how shocked they are at Chiefs being so bad and that nobody saw this coming.

Bullshit! I know someone who did. ME. I never bought into the preseason, "We lose on purpose" crap. The Chiefs just plain stunk. And that 2-5 down the stretch last year showed me we were a bottom seven or eight team by the playoffs. After the preseason we were a bottom five team.

And after the injuries, we are the worst team in the NFL that includes Indy and Seattle, who are right next to us.

The new power rankings have the Chiefs DEAD LAST.

So now Nick wants to SUCK FOR LUCK.l

Lose every game to get Andrew Luck as our first round draft pick next year. He's the No.1 quarterback in college ball.

I feel the team has quit, they know Haley's a goner, so they're kinda no shows. The Chargers can score whenever they want too against us. We have only two weapons, fumble fingered Dexter and D-Bowe. Wow. That means less than 10 points a game, unless there are turnovers.

Looks like another plus 40 point loss this week. We are already setting several stink records. For example, we're on our way to the most points a team has been beaten by in three straight games. Three playoff teams are 0-2, the Chiefs, the Rams and Seattle. The Chiefs and Seattle really stink and Rams will be lucky to win six.

How the mighty have fallen...


sure.

Chiefshrink
09-22-2011, 09:15 AM
Haley will not be gone. Don't underestimate the 'mote defense' of the Big 3. They all came in 'together as rookies'(owner,GM and HC) they will defend each other's moves unconsciously,sub-consciously and consciously. And they will use the Lockout(no OTA's)acquired 'ACL bug' to 2/3rds of our playmakers and strength of schedule combined as excuses in their own minds to justify their decisions without actually saying it publically.

You watch, no major moves will be made. Count on it!!!!

Kyle DeLexus
09-22-2011, 09:20 AM
A questionable source citing a questionable source, and calling it news.

Wow.

Heh. Like the 810 guys running with a rumor that was posted on CP that a member heard from someone at a bar.

Or something like that.

HotRoute
09-22-2011, 09:20 AM
If we win we are 1-2 and the chargers are 1-2. Imagine that

the Talking Can
09-22-2011, 09:23 AM
i'll believe it when that stranger from IHOP calls up phil and tells him to eat at IHOP so she can randomly bump into him and tell him about how Haley mentioned he was going to be fired while finger banging a chick at Buffalo Wild Wings...

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-22-2011, 09:27 AM
What a complete POS article.

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 09:32 AM
If we win we are 1-2 and the chargers are 1-2. Imagine that



That is true...one team 1-2 on their way to 10-6 and the other 1-2 on its way to 3-13 however. :D

Chiefshrink
09-22-2011, 09:37 AM
1-2 on its way to 3-13 however. :D

Seriously 3 wins? You are being very positive here;)

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 09:47 AM
Seriously 3 wins? You are being very positive here;)


Just remember that more teams have gone undefeated than gone winless. It is very hard not to accidently win a couple on lucky bounces even when you are gawd awful.

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 09:49 AM
If we win we are 1-2 and the chargers are 1-2. Imagine that

I was thinking about this this morning.

Don't put it past Cassel to get just hot enough, long enough, to screw up The Luck Plan (TLP).

durtyrute
09-22-2011, 09:52 AM
I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

1. He does deserve partial blame for that.

2. It's not like this is the first time these guys have played football. They should already know how to tackle and know how to block and not hold people and hold on to the ball. For the most part these aren't just the rooks that are making the mistakes, there are vets fucking up too. That's not on Todd. He wanted people to be in shape. The people that have been here should also know the playbook. He didn't do anything that horrible in the offseason. We have a bunch of weakass suck buddies on our team, so I guess that goes back to number 1.

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach. If him and another guy don't gel well then, peace out. I can understand if players don't get along, fuck you play away, but the top dog should work with people that are on the same page otherwise you get this shit that we have here. We all know that Pioli picked Weiss and him and Gailey just didn't work. He shouldn't be blamed for wanting to work with people he wants to work with and not who the fans want him to work with.

He's not the best coach, but i like him. Yea he makes dumbass calls sometimes, but he has the guts to do it and thats cool with me. For my money I'd like to see Pioli, Cassel and Muir gone and then we can go from there.

"Wow that was long"

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 09:59 AM
3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach.



I would agree with that however with Haley this isn't one of those rare situations were he didn't along with a certain person. From the best I can tell he is a horses ass that doesn't get along with most people.

My Indiana Hoosiers seem to be dealing with a similar thing in HC Kevin Wilson. Wilson appears to be a great football mind, something probably not the case with Haley, but stories seems to keep leaking out about him being a belligerent A hole that nobody wants to work with. He had three asst coaches he hired in the offseason all leave within 4 weeks. Not good.

LOCOChief
09-22-2011, 10:05 AM
heh, true..ill give Glazer a little credit. He predicted this season was going to be disaster from the 1st preseason game.

Predicted Moeaki, Berry and Charles ACL injuries? Huh that's pretty good shit. I think I'll snag that fucker take him to vagas and parlay.

Ace Gunner
09-22-2011, 10:06 AM
1. He does deserve partial blame for that.

2. It's not like this is the first time these guys have played football. They should already know how to tackle and know how to block and not hold people and hold on to the ball. For the most part these aren't just the rooks that are making the mistakes, there are vets ****ing up too. That's not on Todd. He wanted people to be in shape. The people that have been here should also know the playbook. He didn't do anything that horrible in the offseason. We have a bunch of weakass suck buddies on our team, so I guess that goes back to number 1.

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach. He him and another guy don't gel well then, peace out. I can understand if players don't get along, **** you play away, but the top dog should work with people that are on the same page otherwise you get this shit that we have here. We all know that Pioli picked Weiss and him and Gailey just didn't work. He should be blamed for wanted to work with people he wants to work with and not who the fans want to work with.

He's not the best coach, but i like him. Yea he makes dumbass calls sometimes, but he has the guts to do it and thats cool with me. For my money I'd like to see Pioli, Cassel and Muir gone and then we can go from there.

"Wow that was long"

good post durty. I wouldn't change the staff out though. This team is in it's third season and struggling to make further progress. That's not unusual. There is lacking talent here and this staff is playing young players in order to develop them, so that is a major part of the falloff this season. But there are veteran players making horrible mistakes and generally playing poorly. Dorsey, DJ, Hali are all on that weakside playing poor football. Teams are exploiting them too. that is sad. Obviously, Cassel and Bowe are stinking it up as well. Can't expect the staff to hold these player's hands, you're right.

Dicky McElephant
09-22-2011, 10:09 AM
I don't think the team quit on Haley. I think the team quit on Cassel.

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 10:12 AM
good post durty. I wouldn't change the staff out though. This team is in it's third season and struggling to make further progress. That's not unusual.


This is a perfect example as to why as a coach you are stupid if you don't do your best to come off as a likable guy to the media and fans. Truth is, I prefer a coach who is a hard ass and if he is successful then it doesn't matter if you are a nice guy or not. But if you come off as an A Hole and you struggle then the fans and media aren't going to give you near as much slack as they will a coach that seems like a nice guy. When you are a prick you put a big target on your back and will have a lot of people ready to start firing at it during your first slip up.

Deberg_1990
09-22-2011, 10:15 AM
I don't think the team quit on Haley. I think the team quit on Cassel.

and this right here will be Pioli's biggest decision to make.

Dicky McElephant
09-22-2011, 10:23 AM
and this right here will be Pioli's biggest decision to make.

Ehh.....he's at a crossroads. Haley's contract will be up. Pioli can either give Haley a new contract and a new QB....or he can get a new HC and QB.

The thing is.....if he gives Haley a new contract....I think they might look more at getting a veteran QB who can come in and get this team back into the playoffs....instead of actually drafting a rookie and suffering through the 1st year.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 10:23 AM
I would agree with that however with Haley this isn't one of those rare situations were he didn't along with a certain person. From the best I can tell he is a horses ass that doesn't get along with most people.

My Indiana Hoosiers seem to be dealing with a similar thing in HC Kevin Wilson. Wilson appears to be a great football mind, something probably not the case with Haley, but stories seems to keep leaking out about him being a belligerent A hole that nobody wants to work with. He had three asst coaches he hired in the offseason all leave within 4 weeks. Not good.

Where do you get that from?

Deberg_1990
09-22-2011, 10:29 AM
Ehh.....he's at a crossroads. Haley's contract will be up. Pioli can either give Haley a new contract and a new QB....or he can get a new HC and QB.

The thing is.....if he gives Haley a new contract....I think they might look more at getting a veteran QB who can come in and get this team back into the playoffs....instead of actually drafting a rookie and suffering through the 1st year.

We will have to see how the season plays out. But if everyone is right and we win only 0-3 games, i dont see how you can bring Haley back? You cant do that to your fanbase and season ticket holders.

Im not sure if theres a precedent thats been set by another team before? (someone will have to research)

loochy
09-22-2011, 10:29 AM
Where do you get that from?

http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/disposable-bullshit-bag-seals-bs-in-directions-1-o1.jpg

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 10:29 AM
Where do you get that from?


Just going off what seems to be a pattern. Had a big tiff with Kurt Warner in Arizona which is saying something as Warner seems like one of the nicest guys out there. Didn't get along with Weis. Doesn't get along with Pioli. And not my favorite source but Whitlock says repeatedly he is an insecure a hole. Well noted for his sideline temper. Now that doesn't make you an a hole but most a holes do have a bad temper.

I wouldn't hold anyone of those things against him but the pattern seems to indicate he is a horses ass. You disagree?

Ace Gunner
09-22-2011, 10:32 AM
This is a perfect example as to why as a coach you are stupid if you don't do your best to come off as a likable guy to the media and fans. Truth is, I prefer a coach who is a hard ass and if he is successful then it doesn't matter if you are a nice guy or not. But if you come off as an A Hole and you struggle then the fans and media aren't going to give you near as much slack as they will a coach that seems like a nice guy. When you are a prick you put a big target on your back and will have a lot of people ready to start firing at it during your first slip up.

go watch Haley's latest presser. He patiently waits for mouthy Nick Wright to lay out 2 questions of which Wright obviously loves to here himself talk. Haley comes back very sincerly to those questions. The days of "meanie face Haley" are long gone.

Detoxing
09-22-2011, 10:32 AM
God...Chiefs fans are getting so stupid and desperate...

Bane
09-22-2011, 10:34 AM
God...Chiefs fans have always been so stupid and desperate...

fyp

Detoxing
09-22-2011, 10:34 AM
Just going off what seems to be a pattern. Had a big tiff with Kurt Warner in Arizona which is saying something as Warner seems like one of the nicest guys out there. Didn't get along with Weis. Doesn't get along with Pioli. And not my favorite source but Whitlock says repeatedly he is an insecure a hole. Well noted for his sideline temper. Now that doesn't make you an a hole but most a holes do have a bad temper.

I wouldn't hold anyone of those things against him but the pattern seems to indicate he is a horses ass. You disagree?

With Kurt Warner? Link?

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 10:39 AM
With Kurt Warner? Link?


I think they are actually friends but was know for getting into shouting matches on a regular basis....Which for Warner to do that on a regular basis would lead me to believe Haley is a big time hot head.

Ace Gunner
09-22-2011, 10:42 AM
I think they are actually friends but was know for getting into shouting matches on a regular basis....Which for Warner to do that on a regular basis would lead me to believe Haley is a big time hot head.

have you ever been part of a football team? not pop warner, but as an adult, have you ever been part of a football team?

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 10:49 AM
have you ever been part of a football team? not pop warner, but as an adult, have you ever been part of a football team?


spare me your patronizing.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 10:50 AM
Just going off what seems to be a pattern. Had a big tiff with Kurt Warner in Arizona which is saying something as Warner seems like one of the nicest guys out there. Didn't get along with Weis. Doesn't get along with Pioli. And not my favorite source but Whitlock says repeatedly he is an insecure a hole. Well noted for his sideline temper. Now that doesn't make you an a hole but most a holes do have a bad temper.

I wouldn't hold anyone of those things against him but the pattern seems to indicate he is a horses ass. You disagree?

Warner sings his praises as do several of his other former players. Michael Holley, the guy who wrote a book about Belichick, Dimitroff, and Pioli, says that he saw no sign of friction between Pioli and Haley during his time behind the closed doors of the Chiefs organization. I don't know, there are certainly some rumors going around, but I don't see a lot of real evidence that Haley is hard to get along with.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 10:51 AM
Warner sings his praises as do several of his other former players. Michael Holley, the guy who wrote a book about Belichick, Dimitroff, and Pioli, says that he saw no sign of friction between Pioli and Haley during his time behind the closed doors of the Chiefs organization. I don't know, there are certainly some rumors going around, but I don't see a lot of real evidence that Haley is hard to get along with.

Holley said Haley and Weis didn't get along too well.

NaptownChief
09-22-2011, 10:52 AM
Warner sings his praises as do several of his other former players. Michael Holley, the guy who wrote a book about Belichick, Dimitroff, and Pioli, says that he saw no sign of friction between Pioli and Haley during his time behind the closed doors of the Chiefs organization. I don't know, there are certainly some rumors going around, but I don't see a lot of real evidence that Haley is hard to get along with.


Hell I don't know...just the impression I was given. Maybe he is a nice guy. :hmmm:

Dicky McElephant
09-22-2011, 10:52 AM
People just assume that Weis is just this nice guy that everyone gets along with.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 10:55 AM
Holley said Haley and Weis didn't get along too well.

Yes, but he attributed that to both guys not Haley.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 10:57 AM
Hell I don't know...just the impression I was given. Maybe he is a nice guy. :hmmm:

Well, I suspect he's not a total go-along-to-get-along type of guy either. I just think the "hard to get along with" thing is overblown.

Detoxing
09-22-2011, 10:57 AM
People just assume that Weis is just this nice guy that everyone gets along with.

This.

Holley certainly didn't give the impression that Weis was much of a nice guy, or even a great coach for that matter.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 11:03 AM
People just assume that Weis is just this nice guy that everyone gets along with.

He's fat. Aren't all fat people jolly?

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 11:04 AM
Yes, but he attributed that to both guys not Haley.

He did. But, you have to remember that Haley didn't get along with Gailey either. So far there is one constant.

Dicky McElephant
09-22-2011, 11:10 AM
He's fat. Aren't all fat people jolly?

Not fat guys from Jersey.

Tribal Warfare
09-22-2011, 11:11 AM
I was thinking about this this morning.

Don't put it past Cassel to get just hot enough, long enough, to screw up The Luck Plan (TLP).

nah,Cassel's fucked he shits himself when he sees a blitz, he's a mentally weak pussy, and he still doesn't take ownership of his mistakes.

memyselfI
09-22-2011, 11:13 AM
:clap: Is it too early to start drinking to celebrate?

rocknrolla
09-22-2011, 11:19 AM
1. He does deserve partial blame for that.

2. It's not like this is the first time these guys have played football. They should already know how to tackle and know how to block and not hold people and hold on to the ball. For the most part these aren't just the rooks that are making the mistakes, there are vets ****ing up too. That's not on Todd. He wanted people to be in shape. The people that have been here should also know the playbook. He didn't do anything that horrible in the offseason. We have a bunch of weakass suck buddies on our team, so I guess that goes back to number 1.

3. He should not have to be forced to work with anyone. He's the coach. If him and another guy don't gel well then, peace out. I can understand if players don't get along, **** you play away, but the top dog should work with people that are on the same page otherwise you get this shit that we have here. We all know that Pioli picked Weiss and him and Gailey just didn't work. He shouldn't be blamed for wanting to work with people he wants to work with and not who the fans want him to work with.

He's not the best coach, but i like him. Yea he makes dumbass calls sometimes, but he has the guts to do it and thats cool with me. For my money I'd like to see Pioli, Cassel and Muir gone and then we can go from there.

"Wow that was long"

Very good post. I don't think Haley will go any where. If he does, He will do a good job for some other team. He will be a great coach. He needs to bring his "No Bullshit" attitude back.

durtyrute
09-22-2011, 11:21 AM
Very good post. I don't think Haley will go any where. If he does, He will do a good job for some other team. He will be a great coach. He needs to bring his "No Bullshit" attitude back.

THIS

ILChief
09-22-2011, 11:32 AM
I won't believe it until Bill Mortensen or Jack Schefter says it

Pawnmower
09-22-2011, 11:33 AM
Glazer is an illiterate piece of garbage troll....Makes CE Wendler look like a fucking scholar / Shakespeare.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 11:37 AM
He did. But, you have to remember that Haley didn't get along with Gailey either. So far there is one constant.

Gailey was forced on him, no? I think it's a bit unfair to hold that one against him. Besides, Gailey didn't quit, Haley sent him packing.

chop
09-22-2011, 11:54 AM
What's happened to good journalism. The internet now gives us a bunch of hack wannabes who somehow think ideas they float out for everyone to read are actual rumors and not just their speculating crap.

Baconeater
09-22-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm not sold on Haley as a HC but I think he deserves another shot with a real QB. It would be pretty fucking lame for Pioli to fire him after he foisted that shitbag onto him.

Okie_Apparition
09-22-2011, 12:00 PM
It most be working & people are listening. Or they wouldn't be posting this worthless tripe. Dipshits

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm not sold on Haley as a HC but I think he deserves another shot with a real QB. It would be pretty ****ing lame for Pioli to fire him after he foisted that shitbag onto him.

No proof that Haley didn't want Cassel.

CupidStunt
09-22-2011, 12:18 PM
It's BS yet probably close enough to being right. Haley's on borrowed time.

Predarat
09-22-2011, 12:21 PM
I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

4. the alleged waitress groping incident.

JD10367
09-22-2011, 12:22 PM
Haley > Pioli

any other QB > Cassel

but, losing Moeaki, Berry, and Charles before the leaves turn > any of that

Yes, Haley needs charm school. Yes, maybe Pioli isn't as good at GMing as you hoped for. Yes, Cassel needs to go, like, yesterday. But, frankly, if you had the best coach, best GM, and best QB, I'm not sure even that would outweigh losing your best TE, best young DB, and best (if not league-best) young RB.

As for the Patriots when Bernard Pollard entered Foxboro a few years back, this season was lost for the Chiefs before it even began. The Chiefs can rally and win some games and be awarded for pluck but, like that Patriots team, it's not going to amount to much, I don't think.

Okie_Apparition
09-22-2011, 12:28 PM
You're right, Gailey is on Hunt. He's the one who wanted(insisted ?) he be kept

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 12:34 PM
Is this guy WPI's cumrag?

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 12:37 PM
1. Who the hell is "Craig" Glazer? Jay's ugly little brother trying to sneak into the media?

2. Nick Wright is the source. ROFL LMAO

Rausch
09-22-2011, 12:39 PM
But, frankly, if you had the best coach, best GM, and best QB, I'm not sure even that would outweigh losing your best TE, best young DB, and best (if not league-best) young RB.

No fucking way do you honestly believe that...

Iowanian
09-22-2011, 12:42 PM
half way through the article, this flight broke apart in mid-air.

kc rush
09-22-2011, 12:43 PM
1. Who the hell is "Craig" Glazer? Jay's ugly little brother trying to sneak into the media?

2. Nick Wright is the source. ROFL LMAO

He's a dirtbag comedy club owner who is a legend in his own mind. Hern Christopher, who owns that site, faps to Glazers every move.

Chris Meck
09-22-2011, 12:49 PM
obviously none of you KNOW Craig Glazer.

He is perhaps the biggest sleazebag in the entire KC metro area.

I would not believe a single thing that jack-ass had to say about anything, unless it was proclaiming that somebody's coke stash was of dubious quality.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 12:51 PM
obviously none of you KNOW Craig Glazer.

He is perhaps the biggest sleazebag in the entire KC metro area.

I would not believe a single thing that jack-ass had to say about anything, unless it was proclaiming that somebody's coke stash was of dubious quality.

Does that mean you aren't supportive of his idea to build a giant ferris wheel to give Kansas City a signature landmark like St. Louis' arch?

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 12:54 PM
It's BS yet probably close enough to being right. Haley's on borrowed time.
If Haley is on borrowed time it's for no other reason than his own incompetence. No conspiracies, no secret moves or motives.

Haley decided he didn't want Gailey
Haley couldn't get make it work with Weis (for whatever reason you want to believe)

Haley chose to promote Muir even though he wasn't doing a good job at his previous position of Oline.

Haley wanted control of the offense and got it. He job depends on whether or not it succeeds. So far the offense has looked terrible under him and better under Weis.

Imo there are only 2 things that can save Haley now.

1. Offensive success (and relative team success)
2. if Pioli really did shove cassel/weis on him and tell him to 'deal with it'

If all the tinfoil hat conspiracies are correct then Pioli may decide that HE made the key mistakes and therefore Haley deserves another chance. We will find out soon enough. If the team continues to tank and Pioli keeps Haley and replaces Cassel/Muir then Pioli considers something other than Haley the problem.

Chris Meck
09-22-2011, 12:57 PM
Does that mean you aren't supportive of his idea to build a giant ferris wheel to give Kansas City a signature landmark like St. Louis' arch?

ha. Uh, no. I would not be supportive of that. But that's a Craig Glazer idea if I ever heard one.

Bowser
09-22-2011, 12:58 PM
He's a dirtbag comedy club owner who is a legend in his own mind. Hern Christopher, who owns that site, faps to Glazers every move.

obviously none of you KNOW Craig Glazer.

He is perhaps the biggest sleazebag in the entire KC metro area.

I would not believe a single thing that jack-ass had to say about anything, unless it was proclaiming that somebody's coke stash was of dubious quality.

I was going to ask if this was the same Craig Glazer of Stanford's Comedy Club, and whom also has felony coke convictions on his record.

How exactly is he an expert on this subject again?

evenfall
09-22-2011, 01:01 PM
What a bunch of ignorant BS

Ace Gunner
09-22-2011, 01:19 PM
He's fat. Aren't all fat people jolly?

hahaha ya, he's santa :D

Gailey was put on paid leave essentially. He was removed from the offense because Haley wanted direct access to the offense. Don't know why, other than he's a offensive coord and has worked with receivers for 2 decades. duh. people make all this fuss over it. dumb. It was his first season with a new team.

Haley gives no indication of alleged 'bad voodoo vibes inside the front office' during his pressers. He's not tentative at all. He's not grumpy, he's not defensive. There is no indication he's on the outs at 1 Arrowhead other than a rife NFL approved rumor mill manufacturing accusations about the failures of the Chiefs.

They still need receivers. I absolutely am tired of Matt Cassel, but those wideouts are playing less than stellar. Bowe and Urban drops last week were pathetic and those are the plays that can at least spark the offense if not get them to some eventual points on the board. Confidence breeds confidence in exponential ways simply by making catches.

The Chiefs have big problems at TE. They are often unable to run the football because these TE's, particularly Becht is slow and can't seem to get out there to block.

Also, Asamoah isn't pulling for blocks very well either. He's slow to get where he can be effective during a run play. The OL in general is stumbling during run plays and some pass blocking assignments. This is a big problem for the Chiefs right now and it won't get fixed until this line has time to get to know each other's footsteps and how long it takes guys to pull etc.

kc rush
09-22-2011, 01:21 PM
Does that mean you aren't supportive of his idea to build a giant ferris wheel to give Kansas City a signature landmark like St. Louis' arch?

I think that was one of his dad's ideas. I'm shocked he couldn't seem to win the mayoral race with his brilliant ideas.

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 01:40 PM
Gailey was put on paid leave essentially. He was removed from the offense because Haley wanted direct access to the offense. Don't know why, other than he's a offensive coord and has worked with receivers for 2 decades. duh. people make all this fuss over it. dumb. It was his first season with a new team.

Haley gives no indication of alleged 'bad voodoo vibes inside the front office' during his pressers. He's not tentative at all. He's not grumpy, he's not defensive. There is no indication he's on the outs at 1 Arrowhead other than a rife NFL approved rumor mill manufacturing accusations about the failures of the Chiefs.
Why do people keep saying Haley isn't grumpy as some sort of defense of Haley? Who gives a fuck?

The problem is lack of success

1st year under Haley - offense sucks
2nd year under Weis - offense is decent
3rd under Haley - offense is looking just like sucky 1st year.

In fact, almost to the very game Haley took over the offense last year the offense has sucked shit. We've scored a total of 41 pts in 5 games.

You can talk about Cassel all you want but he was here during all 3 years.

Weis > Haley

until Haley proves he's good enough to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, like Weis did, then we need an upgrade.

btw Haley ISN'T a proven OC ... the only offense he's been OC of in the NFL is Arizona and that was Whisenhunt's offense. Haley stepped in midseason to call the plays for an offense with Warner,Fitzgerald and Boldin. BFD.

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09-22-2011, 02:03 PM
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alpha_omega
09-22-2011, 02:04 PM
obviously none of you KNOW Craig Glazer.



I don't. In fact, i was just about to ask...who the F is Craig Glazer?

Ace Gunner
09-22-2011, 02:08 PM
Why do people keep saying Haley isn't grumpy as some sort of defense of Haley? Who gives a ****?

The problem is lack of success

1st year under Haley - offense sucks
2nd year under Weis - offense is decent
3rd under Haley - offense is looking just like sucky 1st year.

In fact, almost to the very game Haley took over the offense last year the offense has sucked shit. We've scored a total of 41 pts in 5 games.

You can talk about Cassel all you want but he was here during all 3 years.

Weis > Haley

until Haley proves he's good enough to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, like Weis did, then we need an upgrade.

btw Haley ISN'T a proven OC ... the only offense he's been OC of in the NFL is Arizona and that was Whisenhunt's offense. Haley stepped in midseason to call the plays for an offense with Warner,Fitzgerald and Boldin. BFD.


what? 32 NFL teams and 1 college team are telling me Charlie Weis is not good enough to HC and Haley is.

When I speak of 'indications' I'm searching for truth in what YOU said. I don't see any.

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 02:18 PM
what? 32 NFL teams and 1 college team are telling me Charlie Weis is not good enough to HC and Haley is.

When I speak of 'indications' I'm searching for truth in what YOU said. I don't see any.nice, try and keep the focus off that bucket of BS you threw out there. :clap:

you're changing the subject. We are talking about running the offense not being HC. Haley insists on basically being both and has failed at the OC part.

Whether Weis is a shitty Head coach doesn't change the fact that under him the offense was MUCH better than under Haley.

SOS doesn't count either because we haven't play our hard games yet.

with Weis as OC we found a way to beat buffalo
with Haley/Muir we got demolished

Haley has the rest of this year to prove that he is good enough at the OC part of his job to make it worth keeping him as HC.

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2011, 02:25 PM
I blame Todd for the following reasons:

1. He gets partial blame for the team having no depth at key positions.
2. His offseason program was a nightmare and cost the team early.
3. He gets partial blame for not being able to work with Gailey and Weis.

#3 is LMAO You don't know what went on there. Beside, Todd is the HC. It's his team.

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2011, 02:35 PM
He did. But, you have to remember that Haley didn't get along with Gailey either. So far there is one constant.

Link? How do you know he didn't?

Chief_in_Commander
09-22-2011, 02:39 PM
But Hugh Douglas picked us the best chance of the 0-2 teams to make the playoffs this year....

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 02:40 PM
Link? How do you know he didn't?

Because he fired him two weeks before the season started.

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2011, 02:45 PM
Because he fired him two weeks before the season started.

Just because YOU believe everything negative about Haley is true, doesn't mean that it is.

BossChief
09-22-2011, 02:50 PM
We will have to see how the season plays out. But if everyone is right and we win only 0-3 games, i dont see how you can bring Haley back? You cant do that to your fanbase and season ticket holders.

Im not sure if theres a precedent thats been set by another team before? (someone will have to research)

Tom Landry

In 1960, he became the first head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and stayed for 29 seasons (196088). The Cowboys started with difficulties, recording an 0111 record during their first season, with five or fewer wins in each of their next four. Despite this early futility, in 1964 Landry was given a ten year extension by owner Clint Murchison Jr.. It would prove to be a wise move as Landry's hard work and determination paid off, and the Cowboys improved to a 77 record in 1965. In 1966, they surprised the NFL by posting 10 wins, and making it all the way to the NFL championship game. Dallas lost the game to Lombardi's Green Bay Packers, but this season was but a modest display of what lay ahead...

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 02:50 PM
Just because YOU believe everything negative about Haley is true, doesn't mean that it is.

I'm sure he and Chan are good friends. Every head coach fires his offensive coordinator two weeks before the season starts. It means they were getting along just fine.

BossChief
09-22-2011, 02:55 PM
The team bought into what Haley was selling 100% and free agents viewed this as a good place to sign...Haleys previous players followed him here in droves.

What we have here (and Pest already brought this up) is a team showing the signs of "fuck it, we arent gonna win a fucking thing with this guy at QB"

They saw all they needed to in the playoff game, as did we.

They see how much better Ricky Stanzi is in practice in every facet of the game as a 5th rounder.

This team of young guns deserve a good quarterback to lead them and they know Cassel isnt it.

I bet damn near anything that if we dumped Cassel and Muir, this team would be energized again.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 02:59 PM
ha. Uh, no. I would not be supportive of that. But that's a Craig Glazer idea if I ever heard one.

Yeah, he ran for mayor on that idea. It's the only thing I know about him besides his comedy clubs involvement. It's the kind of idea you expect to come from a sideshow candidate, I guess.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 03:00 PM
Haleys previous players followed him here in droves.

.

Droves?

L.A. Chieffan
09-22-2011, 03:02 PM
What does he mean by how the mighty have fallen?

Rooster
09-22-2011, 03:03 PM
What does he mean by how the mighty have fallen?

I have no idea.... I was confused by that too.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 03:04 PM
I'm sure he and Chan are good friends. Every head coach fires his offensive coordinator two weeks before the season starts. It means they were getting along just fine.

Again, Haley fired Gailey, Gailey didn't quit. If Gailey had quit in exasperation, it might be evidence that Haley is an insufferable prick, but he didn't. It was the other way around.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Again, Haley fired Gailey, Gailey didn't quit. If Gailey had quit in exasperation, it might be evidence that Haley is an insufferable prick, but he didn't. It was the other way around.

So what? They couldn't co-exist. Just like Haley and Weis couldn't co-exist.

Guru
09-22-2011, 03:11 PM
Yeah right.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 03:18 PM
So what? They couldn't co-exist. Just like Haley and Weis couldn't co-exist.

Based on appearances at least, they're opposite situations. It might be all Haley's fault, but I don't think it's safe (or fair) to make that assumption.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 03:27 PM
Based on appearances at least, they're opposite situations. It might be all Haley's fault, but I don't think it's safe (or fair) to make that assumption.

I never claimed it was all Haley's fault.

chiefzilla1501
09-22-2011, 03:45 PM
Again, Haley fired Gailey, Gailey didn't quit. If Gailey had quit in exasperation, it might be evidence that Haley is an insufferable prick, but he didn't. It was the other way around.

I think it's fair to question if both Gailey and Weis were forced on to Haley.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 03:55 PM
I never claimed it was all Haley's fault.

Since that's what I was talking about when you decided to respond, I naturally assumed you were talking about something similar. Now I'm left wondering what your point is.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 03:56 PM
I think it's fair to question if both Gailey and Weis were forced on to Haley.

I agree with that.

BossChief
09-22-2011, 04:12 PM
I think it's fair to question if both Gailey and Weis were forced on to Haley.

Gailey absolutely was. No question

Weis was brought in to "fix the quarterback" by his own words. Do you think its more likely that Haley wanted to bring in Weis (who when they brought him in there were numerous reports about Weis and Haley having a lot of heated arguments while they worked in the same office while employed by the NY Jets) or would you think it was more of a move made by Pioli to try and salvage the quarterback HE TRADED FOR even when the OWNER OF THE FRANCHISE wanted us to draft and develop a franchise quarterback?

To me, there is NO QUESTION that both Gailey and Weis were both Pioli hires.

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2011, 04:34 PM
So what? They couldn't co-exist. Just like Haley and Weis couldn't co-exist.

Jesus. Are you a Hippie? Who cares if they couldn't co-exist. The point is, Haley is the head coach. The buck stops there. His way or GTFO.

durtyrute
09-22-2011, 04:51 PM
Gailey absolutely was. No question

Weis was brought in to "fix the quarterback" by his own words. Do you think its more likely that Haley wanted to bring in Weis (who when they brought him in there were numerous reports about Weis and Haley having a lot of heated arguments while they worked in the same office while employed by the NY Jets) or would you think it was more of a move made by Pioli to try and salvage the quarterback HE TRADED FOR even when the OWNER OF THE FRANCHISE wanted us to draft and develop a franchise quarterback?

To me, there is NO QUESTION that both Gailey and Weis were both Pioli hires.

Gailey was here before Pioli

ChiefsandO'sfan
09-22-2011, 05:00 PM
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TEX
09-22-2011, 05:03 PM
But...but...but...Preseason doesn't matter... LMAO

Those of us that thought it did saw this coming. However, I did not think they would be THIS BAD.

BossChief
09-22-2011, 05:09 PM
Gailey was here before Pioli

oops

meant to say "forced on Haley"

my bad

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2011, 05:13 PM
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GordonGekko
09-22-2011, 05:41 PM
I love this Haley Pioli talk, because it makes you realize how important winning is to Chiefs' ownership. We just might not become the next Cincy Bengals after all.

Fire Haley bring back Weiss? Romeo HC?

cabletech94
09-22-2011, 05:57 PM
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tight.

whoman69
09-22-2011, 06:40 PM
I love this Haley Pioli talk, because it makes you realize how important winning is to Chiefs' ownership. We just might not become the next Cincy Bengals after all.

Fire Haley bring back Weiss? Romeo HC?

I'd rather see them show how important winning is by coming close to the salary cap.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2011, 06:42 PM
Jesus. Are you a Hippie? Who cares if they couldn't co-exist. The point is, Haley is the head coach. The buck stops there. His way or GTFO.

You should care. Two good OC's are gone. Unless you are happy with the offense.

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 08:04 PM
#3 is LMAO You don't know what went on there. Beside, Todd is the HC. It's his team.
and Pioli is the GM ... It's HIS TEAM.


and you keep ignoring the fact that the offense has been shit under Haley in 2 separate years. Better under Weis in the middle.

You guys can tap dance around all you want but that's fact.

Haley has the rest of this year to prove he can handle being HC/OC. If not he either gives up the OC part or hits the road.

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 09:59 PM
You should care. Two good OC's are gone. Unless you are happy with the offense.

Who is QB again?

BossChief
09-22-2011, 10:04 PM
and Pioli is the GM ... It's HIS TEAM.


and you keep ignoring the fact that the offense has been shit under Haley in 2 separate years. Better under Weis in the middle.

You guys can tap dance around all you want but that's fact.

Haley has the rest of this year to prove he can handle being HC/OC. If not he either gives up the OC part or hits the road.

What are you blathering about now?

Muir calls the plays/ is the OC/ hopefully the fall guy.

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 10:05 PM
tight.

Your looking at his ass aren't you? Admit it.

NTTIAWWT................well yea there is.

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 10:14 PM
Muir calls the plays/ is the OC/ hopefully the fall guy.
"hopefully" the fall guy?

Why in the hell do you want Muir to take the fall for Haley?

Haley ran the offense the 1st year and it was stank ass.

Haley is running this offense no matter what public bullshit they makeup about Muir.

You want Haley back next year as OC even if he sucks?

I don't understand this affection/loyalty for Haley. You sure as hell don't have any loyalty to anyone else.

You really want to keep a sucky HC/OC just because i don't like him? Really?

pretty sad

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 10:19 PM
"hopefully" the fall guy?

Why in the hell do you want Muir to take the fall for Haley?

Haley ran the offense the 1st year and it was stank ass.

Haley is running this offense no matter what public bullshit they makeup about Muir.

You want Haley back next year as OC even if he sucks?

I don't understand this affection/loyalty for Haley. You sure as hell don't have any loyalty to anyone else.

You really want to keep a sucky HC/OC just because i don't like him? Really?

pretty sad

You don't think there could be a difference in Haley's ability to call plays and be head coach from year 1 to year 3? I am sure he was overwhelmed year 1 the way things went down regardless of whether you want to blame him or not.

He seemed to do fine in Arizona calling plays.

NJChiefsFan
09-22-2011, 10:21 PM
"hopefully" the fall guy?

Why in the hell do you want Muir to take the fall for Haley?

Haley ran the offense the 1st year and it was stank ass.

Haley is running this offense no matter what public bullshit they makeup about Muir.

You want Haley back next year as OC even if he sucks?

I don't understand this affection/loyalty for Haley. You sure as hell don't have any loyalty to anyone else.

You really want to keep a sucky HC/OC just because i don't like him? Really?

pretty sad

The problem with judging Haley on this situation is obviously Matt Cassel. Its been reported a few times that Zorn and Haley have been screaming at Matt to throw the ball deep.

Its kinda hard to know what kind of quality offense is being called when you have Matt running it. I think Weiss built an offense to protect Matt where Haley is calling one that he wants to call and its just making things worse.

That being said, I think with a quality QB, Haley's offense could be fine. I am not saying I know this for sure, but I don't think its being completely fair to say Haley fails as an OC til you know if its Haley's calls or Matt ignoring them and checking down.

Okie_Apparition
09-22-2011, 10:23 PM
IF Mclean & Dexter can somehow combine to be Charles. Then maybe you can judge year 3. They where kicking ass sunday until Jamaal went down

FAX
09-22-2011, 10:27 PM
I give Haley a bit of a pass on his first year. First time HC, late hire (very late), crappy, lazy, out of shape squad, unable to select his own people, etc.

I challenge any poster on the Planet to perform at an exceptional level under those circumstances in any vocation (other, that is, than our fabulously talented Mods).

Second year? Not bad. Not bad at all.

This year? Unbelievably bad off-season and luck.

I stand with Haley. Proud and pissed.

FAX

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 10:29 PM
I give Haley a bit of a pass on his first year. First time HC, late hire (very late), crappy, lazy, out of shape squad, unable to select his own people, etc.

I challenge any poster on the Planet to perform at an exceptional level under those circumstances in any vocation (other, that is, than our fabulously talented Mods).

Second year? Not bad. Not bad at all.

This year? Unbelievably bad off-season and luck.

I stand with Haley. Proud and pissed.

FAX

X2 Mr.Fax.

Also couple that with teaching Cassel to be a good NFL QB is akin to teaching a dog to drive a car.

NJChiefsFan
09-22-2011, 10:33 PM
I give Haley a bit of a pass on his first year. First time HC, late hire (very late), crappy, lazy, out of shape squad, unable to select his own people, etc.

I challenge any poster on the Planet to perform at an exceptional level under those circumstances in any vocation (other, that is, than our fabulously talented Mods).

Second year? Not bad. Not bad at all.

This year? Unbelievably bad off-season and luck.

I stand with Haley. Proud and pissed.

FAX

I agree. There is no doubt that Haley has made major mistakes. I still believe in him. I still believe with a quality QB he can run a good offense. I saw a team that came out hard last week. They are just overmatched, injuried, and led by a horrible QB. I honestly didn't see a team that gave up on their coach specifically.

BossChief
09-22-2011, 10:45 PM
"hopefully" the fall guy?

Why in the hell do you want Muir to take the fall for Haley?

Haley ran the offense the 1st year and it was stank ass.

Haley is running this offense no matter what public bullshit they makeup about Muir.

You want Haley back next year as OC even if he sucks?

I don't understand this affection/loyalty for Haley. You sure as hell don't have any loyalty to anyone else.

You really want to keep a sucky HC/OC just because i don't like him? Really?

pretty sad

trololol

You think I like Haley because you dislike him? hahha

I have been loyal to my takes on most players and coaches. Show me some examples if you feel that statement to be untrue.

Haley is a demanding leader that makes everyone accountable for their own bodies and their ability to be responsible to the team. He has no problem benching players that under perform (except when Pioli handcuffs him to Cassel) and don't do what the coaches are asking. He is a master motivator and players praise his coaching similarly to how they praised Parcells....in that he will try to break you to make you stronger and I can respect that.

His offense in Arizona is what he wants to run and he cant do that with Matt.

He just cant.

I attribute the first year to a team transitioning from a pistol spread offense (and Gailey/Herms softer approach) to a real pro style one to go along with a new playbook and a HC that expects you to actually be in shape to be able to play for him.

Cassel cant even throw a respectable mid range pass (20 or so yards) without putting everything he has into it...even then it takes forever to get the pass out and it gives defenders plenty of time to break on the ball and get in position to break it up or take it home.

Haley wants someone that can throw every NFL pass to make defenses defend the whole field...right now, teams play their safeties as shallow as Ive ever seen safeties play in this league because they dont have to account for the deeper passes.

If we do end up firing Haley and not going the Tom Landry direction with him, he will return to running a bigtime offense for a couple years and be right back into another HC spot and be very successful and it would be a big mistake if we fire him because of Cassel.

JMO, I guess.

TEX
09-22-2011, 10:51 PM
I give Haley a bit of a pass on his first year. First time HC, late hire (very late), crappy, lazy, out of shape squad, unable to select his own people, etc.

I challenge any poster on the Planet to perform at an exceptional level under those circumstances in any vocation (other, that is, than our fabulously talented Mods).

Second year? Not bad. Not bad at all.

This year? Unbelievably bad off-season and luck.

I stand with Haley. Proud and pissed.

FAX

This. :clap:

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2011, 11:42 PM
and Pioli is the GM ... It's HIS TEAM.


and you keep ignoring the fact that the offense has been shit under Haley in 2 separate years. Better under Weis in the middle.

You guys can tap dance around all you want but that's fact.

Haley has the rest of this year to prove he can handle being HC/OC. If not he either gives up the OC part or hits the road.2 seasons? We're 2 games in, dumbass. Did you forget how fucking pathetic it was thru 2 games last season?

rtmike
09-23-2011, 01:50 AM
Haley will not be gone. Don't underestimate the 'mote defense' of the Big 3. They all came in 'together as rookies'(owner,GM and HC) they will defend each other's moves unconsciously,sub-consciously and consciously. And they will use the Lockout(no OTA's)acquired 'ACL bug' to 2/3rds of our playmakers and strength of schedule combined as excuses in their own minds to justify their decisions without actually saying it publically.

You watch, no major moves will be made. Count on it!!!!

You're prolly right. Is the kid (Clark) loyal to his employees like his Dad was?

Guru
09-23-2011, 04:14 AM
and Pioli is the GM ... It's HIS TEAM.


and you keep ignoring the fact that the offense has been shit under Haley in 2 separate years. Better under Weis in the middle.

You guys can tap dance around all you want but that's fact.

Haley has the rest of this year to prove he can handle being HC/OC. If not he either gives up the OC part or hits the road.

Haley cannot coexist with any OC. Hence, Haley has to go. Course, Pioli should never have brought his worthless ass here to begin with.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 06:19 AM
Haley cannot coexist with any OC. Hence, Haley has to go. Course, Pioli should never have brought his worthless ass here to begin with.

Do you guys like Yes Man head coaches like Herm?

While I'm not crazy about Haley, it's hardly fair to judge him fully with this abortion under center.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 06:33 AM
LMAO at this stupid notion that the HC must 'get along' with his assistants. They are supposed to conform to the HC.

If your boss doesn't get along with you, does that mean he should be fired?

bevischief
09-23-2011, 07:08 AM
I'm not sold on Haley as a HC but I think he deserves another shot with a real QB. It would be pretty ****ing lame for Pioli to fire him after he foisted that shitbag onto him.

This.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-23-2011, 07:16 AM
http://i52.tinypic.com/1zyd9nt.jpg (http://tinypic.com?ref=1zyd9nt)

Viewing this picture has gotta be something akin to seeing your grandmother in a bukkake video.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 07:30 AM
Viewing this picture has gotta be something akin to seeing your grandmother in a bukkake video.
LMAO

patteeu
09-23-2011, 07:51 AM
Cassel cant even throw a respectable mid range pass (20 or so yards) without putting everything he has into it...even then it takes forever to get the pass out and it gives defenders plenty of time to break on the ball and get in position to break it up or take it home.



I agreed with much of that post so I cut it out. I don't agree with this part though. At least not with the idea that Cassel's arm strength is a problem. He has plenty of arm strength. His accuracy on longer throws might be a problem and his decision making and timeliness are pretty clear problems.

King_Chief_Fan
09-23-2011, 08:08 AM
Nick Wrigt? What does he really know about what is going on?.....Nothing.

The media speculates as the Chiefs organization is mute to most things about Chiefs.

Besides......I won't believe it until I here Nick Athan say so and that the "deal is done"

bricks
09-23-2011, 08:46 AM
I really don't know what some people see in Haley?

I'd like to know what it is that some people see in him to feel he deserves to continue his head coaching job?

FAX
09-23-2011, 10:03 AM
I really don't know what some people see in Haley?

I'd like to know what it is that some people see in him to feel he deserves to continue his head coaching job?

I don't know how other people think about it, Mr. bricks. For my part, however, I was impressed with the way he forced and willed the team into competitive condition (both physical and mental) when he first arrived. I like his "tough love" approach and thought, for example, that the way he handled Bowe and DJ was impressive ... even though the local media had a cow at the time.

I also think (although this is based mainly on his past work with other franchises), that he could probably field a pretty exciting offense were he given a quarterback whose chinstrap was not consistently filled with drool.

He's advanced the cause over the last couple of years. Given where we were when he took over and what he's had to work with, frankly, that's about all one could ask.

FAX

DBOSHO
09-23-2011, 11:26 AM
cassels arm strength is pathetic. i saw stanzi in preseason throw a 20yd pass on a rope with ease that cassel would have to double clutch, take 3 steps into, and flail like a fish to complete.

durtyrute
09-23-2011, 11:28 AM
Anyone else notice that in the preseason our wideouts could all of a sudden catch when Palko and Stanzi were in the game?

Ace Gunner
09-23-2011, 11:32 AM
I really don't know what some people see in Haley?

I'd like to know what it is that some people see in him to feel he deserves to continue his head coaching job?

You already shown you're blind. Why would anyone take the time to show you're deaf.

Bob Dole
09-23-2011, 11:35 AM
LMAO at this stupid notion that the HC must 'get along' with his assistants. They are supposed to conform to the HC.

If your boss doesn't get along with you, does that mean he should be fired?

Yes.

TEX
09-23-2011, 11:41 AM
You know what? I don't care about this kind of stuff because none of us know for sure what's really going on behind the scenes. What I CAN'T STAND is the fact that the CHIEFS season is ALREADY OVER IN SEPTEMBER, after a year when I thought the team FINALLY had turned the corner...Everyone associated with this team needs to take a good look at the situation. - THEY ALL SUCK!

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Kurt Warner didn't get mentioned for the HOF until Arizona. He was brutal with the Giants. I'm not saying Haley is responsible for his resurgence. Fitz helped, alot. Haley brought that mentality/atmosphere with him to KC & it's helped make these players better

Deberg_1990
09-23-2011, 12:01 PM
Kurt Warner didn't get mentioned for the HOF until Arizona. He was brutal with the Giants. I'm not saying Haley is responsible for his resurgence. Fitz helped, alot. Haley brought that mentality/atmosphere with him to KC & it's helped make these players better

Warner wasnt really "brutal" in NY. He only played there one year, and i think they were 5-4 when they made the switch to Eli.

Ace Gunner
09-23-2011, 12:05 PM
as a Giant Warner was sacked, threw INT's .. it was brutal.

Sucky
09-23-2011, 12:06 PM
please be true. I want haley gone

Brock
09-23-2011, 12:12 PM
as a Giant Warner was sacked, threw INT's .. it was brutal.

He threw 6 TDs and 4 INTs as a Giant, with a QB rating near 86. That isn't brutal.

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 12:14 PM
He's better than I remember, had 9 fumbles though in 10 games. 6/4/9

patteeu
09-23-2011, 12:40 PM
He threw 6 TDs and 4 INTs as a Giant, with a QB rating near 86. That isn't brutal.

How many sacks did he take? The rap against Warner during that period was that he'd take a sack instead of throwing the ball away because the sack didn't hurt his QB rating.

In fact, I just looked it up. During that year with the Giants, he had 39 sacks. He was sacked one time for every 7.1 attempts. During his last 3 years as a starter in Arizona, he was sacked one time for every 18.8 attempts.

By contrast, Matt Cassel has been sacked once every 13.9 attempts as a Chief. So Warner the Giant was sacked nearly twice as often as Cassel the Chief.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 12:44 PM
I really don't know what some people see in Haley?

I'd like to know what it is that some people see in him to feel he deserves to continue his head coaching job?
Well, someone might say since his team won 10 games and the division, that he should get a little more time.

How many coaches could win consistently with Cassel?

Not to mention losing 3 key starters.

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 12:46 PM
Well, someone might say since his team won 10 games and the division, that he should get a little more time.

How many coaches could win consistently with Cassel?

Not to mention losing 3 key starters.

They won those games because of Weis, not Haley.

Detoxing
09-23-2011, 12:49 PM
They won those games because of Weis, not Haley.

They won those games because of good Defense and Jamaal Charles. The passing game did dick. Don't get it twisted.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 12:53 PM
They won those games because of Weis, not Haley.

LOL OK. Well, when the passing game was shitty the 1st 2 weeks of last season and we were winning due to Defense, whose fault was that?

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 12:56 PM
This is nuts. I credit Weis and people automatically equate that to some defense of Matt Cassel.

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 12:56 PM
I was thinking Warner's problem was he couldn't hold on to the ball. I tried to find how many fumbles he lost in 2004. All I found was he had 12 fumbles with only 1 recovered. I don't trust that

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 12:57 PM
Gailey could work something up with out Charles. Not so sure Weis could

Detoxing
09-23-2011, 01:03 PM
This is nuts. I credit Weis and people automatically equate that to some defense of Matt Cassel.

huh? Who mentioned Cassel?

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 01:09 PM
huh? Who mentioned Cassel?

You didn't mention the passing game?

Hasty Puddings
09-23-2011, 01:11 PM
Haley stinks.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 01:12 PM
I was thinking Warner's problem was he couldn't hold on to the ball. I tried to find how many fumbles he lost in 2004. All I found was he had 12 fumbles with only 1 recovered. I don't trust that

He had about the same number of fumbles (http://www.nfl.com/player/kurtwarner/2503540/profile) as a Giant (12) as he did in his last three years as a Cardinal (12, 11, 11).

Backwards Masking
09-23-2011, 01:17 PM
cassels arm strength is pathetic.i saw stanzi in preseason throw a 20yd pass on a rope with ease that cassel would have to double clutch, take 3 steps into, and flail like a fish to complete.

that always stood out to me the last couple of preseasons (09-10), I'd see Brodie's arm (the only upswing he had) and think, Jeez, out backup has triple the arm strength of our future QB. What the hell?

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 01:27 PM
Haley stinks.I know, right? I mean why can't he be a stud like the starting QB?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-23-2011, 01:33 PM
I think that part of Warner's ascendance in Arizona was due to the fact that he finally recovered from the thumb injury that he originally suffered against us in that 54-34 blowout in 2000.

He hurt his thumb pretty badly, then injured it again, IIRC, and really wasn't the same after hurting it again in 2002 until he was settled in Az.

Chief Faithful
09-23-2011, 01:50 PM
I didn't realize Pioli was so open about his thoughts at Woodside.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 03:30 PM
If Haley is fired, we not only lose a guy that has coordinated a superbowl offense with a competent quarterback, we lose a master motivator, a guy that has brought a sense of accountability back to KC, and what may well be most importantly, a guy with decades of player personnel backround (even as a young man, he was round his dad who built the Steelers dynasty back in the day) and has surely played a big part into the last two drafts that have yielded us a fuck ton of good talent.

If I have to chose between Todd Haley and Andrew Luck, there is no choice...Bye Haley...but if there is a way to keep Haley and still be in position to draft Luck...we will be well on our way to greater things for the next 15 years.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 03:31 PM
If Haley is fired, we not only lose a guy that has coordinated a superbowl offense with a competent quarterback, we lose a master motivator, a guy that has brought a sense of accountability back to KC, and what may well be most importantly, a guy with decades of player personnel backround (even as a young man, he was round his dad who built the Steelers dynasty back in the day) and has surely played a big part into the last two drafts that have yielded us a **** ton of good talent.

If I have to chose between Todd Haley and Andrew Luck, there is no choice...Bye Haley...but if there is a way to keep Haley and still be in position to draft Luck...we will be well on our way to greater things for the next 15 years.

Have you even watched the games this year?

bricks
09-23-2011, 03:32 PM
Well, someone might say since his team won 10 games and the division, that he should get a little more time.

How many coaches could win consistently with Cassel?

Not to mention losing 3 key starters.

Well, I think for the most part, he was fortunate to have two really good co-ordinators.

And, he was also fortunate to have a very favourable schedule last year.

I agree. Not many coaches could win consistently with Cassel.

Im looking at this thing a little different. I don't like to use injuries, or lack of talent as an excuse to cover up for a coaches failures.

For me, I think this year raised a red flag on Haley. Injuries or no injuries, talent or no talent, as a coach it is your responsiblity to get your team prepared. He simply failed to do that.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 03:58 PM
Have you even watched the games this year?haha

have you?

Why dont you go ahead and tell me what parts you have a problem with so I can blow up your arguments and move on, as usual.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 04:03 PM
haha

have you?

Why dont you go ahead and tell me what parts you have a problem with so I can blow up your arguments and move on, as usual.

How bout the team being so motivated they've lost the last 2 games by 30+ points? http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3797/floydthinking.png

You don't blow up shit you moron. You defended the off season moves and telling everyone how Detroit would be an easy game that we would win. Share some more Ducktales.

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 04:07 PM
I know, right? I mean why can't he be a stud like the starting QB?

You want Luck, right?

You really think a 0 or 1 win team is going to keep its head coach??

BossChief
09-23-2011, 04:19 PM
How bout the team being so motivated they've lost the last 2 games by 30+ points? http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3797/floydthinking.png

You don't blow up shit you moron. You defended the off season moves and telling everyone how Detroit would be an easy game that we would win. Share some more Ducktales.

Go back and watch the Lions game up until the point Charles went down.

There were absolutely no motivational problems...but I dont think you can see that with imbecile eyes.

We were on our way to having a good game.

Losing Charles and still having Cassel while missing an early field goal took the wind out of our sails.

From there, Cassel shit all over the place and gave the game away.

If you want to put the blame for Cassels play on Haley, fine...but I think that's very unfair.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 04:30 PM
Go back and watch the Lions game up until the point Charles went down.

There were absolutely no motivational problems...but I dont think you can see that with imbecile eyes.

We were on our way to having a good game.

Losing Charles and still having Cassel while missing an early field goal took the wind out of our sails.

From there, Cassel shit all over the place and gave the game away.

If you want to put the blame for Cassels play on Haley, fine...but I think that's very unfair.

You know theres other parts of the team right? Our offense has more tackles than the defensive line combined. You defending a coach who's suffered 2 of the largest defeats in franchise history is hilarious but expected from the team mascot.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 04:45 PM
You know theres other parts of the team right? Our offense has more tackles than the defensive line combined. You defending a coach who's suffered 2 of the largest defeats in franchise history is hilarious but expected from the team mascot.So, your argument is that Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel suck?

I agree.

As to the rest of your posts, I'm sorry that you don't understand reasoning.

When your quarterback/offense gives the opposing team the ball on the 43 yard line (on average) and you are only getting the ball on the 21 because your offense is severely losing the field position battle and cant move the ball...you arent gonna win any games or even keep them close.

But, yeah...keep trying to pin Cassels failures on the coach as if he was supposed to magically transform him into a good player.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 04:50 PM
So, your argument is that Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel suck?

I agree.

As to the rest of your posts, I'm sorry that you don't understand reasoning.

When your quarterback/offense gives the opposing team the ball on the 43 yard line (on average) and you are only getting the ball on the 21 because your offense is severely losing the field position battle and cant move the ball...you arent gonna win any games or even keep them close.

But, yeah...keep trying to pin Cassels failures on the coach as if he was supposed to magically transform him into a good player.

I'm not pinning Cassel's failures on Haley but theres more wrong with the team than just Cassel. I put the blame of Cassel on Pioli as well as Tyson Jackson and Todd Haley. Scott Pioli should be fired along with Todd Haley if we end up picking in the top 10 this year.

Theres more players on the defensive line than just Tyson Jackson that suck. You would have an argument if the defense wasn't giving up nearly 400 yards and game and we were losing games 10-9 but we're not. This team has looked unprepared since the lockout ended and the responsibility to get the players ready falls on the coaches shoulders.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 05:12 PM
I'm not pinning Cassel's failures on Haley but theres more wrong with the team than just Cassel. I put the blame of Cassel on Pioli as well as Tyson Jackson and Todd Haley. Scott Pioli should be fired along with Todd Haley if we end up picking in the top 10 this year.

Theres more players on the defensive line than just Tyson Jackson that suck. You would have an argument if the defense wasn't giving up nearly 400 yards and game and we were losing games 10-9 but we're not. This team has looked unprepared since the lockout ended and the responsibility to get the players ready falls on the coaches shoulders.
Its a young team that is gonna make mistake.

Trouble is, with a quarterback like Cassel, those mistakes get amplified.

If your quarterback is giving the opposing team the ball on the 43 yard line, that puts the defense in a horrible position...especially when they are missing arguably their best player and the guy that limits the opposing offense from completing longer passes and is a beast in run support.

What we are seeing is a team with little depth, no quarterback and horrible safeties.

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 05:14 PM
He had about the same number of fumbles (http://www.nfl.com/player/kurtwarner/2503540/profile) as a Giant (12) as he did in his last three years as a Cardinal (12, 11, 11).

6tds 4ints & 11 turnovers via fumbling. Brutal was right after all

lcarus
09-23-2011, 05:18 PM
I have no problem with them firing Haley as long as they have a clue who will replace him. I don't want an in-house hire either. "The KC Chiefs offer Bill Muir a 4 year contract to be the next head coach" - that is what I do not want.

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 05:20 PM
It will be some NE crony/retread. Just keep Haley

lcarus
09-23-2011, 05:21 PM
It will be some NE cronie/retread. Just keep Haley

That's what I'm afraid of. If I knew they were going to replace Haley with one of the better coaches available I would be ok with it. But they'd just keep it "in the family". Screw that. I'll die if they hire Joshie McDaniels.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 05:22 PM
If I were having a say in the call, I keep Haley and hire Tom Clements (GBs QB coach, who has ties to KC) to be our new OC and hopefully find a way to draft Andrew Luck.

Those would be absolutely solid choices for this team going forward.

lcarus
09-23-2011, 05:26 PM
If I were having a say in the call, I keep Haley and hire Tom Clements (GBs QB coach, who has ties to KC) to be our new OC and hopefully find a way to draft Andrew Luck.

Those would be absolutely solid choices for this team going forward.

Yeah if we somehow get Luck, I'd like to see them bring in a new coach. I'd like an epic coach/QB duo like Bill Belichick/Tom Brady and Pete Carroll/Tarvaris Jackson.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 05:26 PM
That's what I'm afraid of. If I knew they were going to replace Haley with one of the better coaches available I would be ok with it. But they'd just keep it "in the family". Screw that. I'll die if they hire Joshie McDaniels.

DOnt be so quick to judge on that one.

Josh is a damn good guy to have around if you are gonna be developing a rookie QB and his main problem was having his full control over player personnel moves.

I guess I would probably be less pissed with Josh as the next coach if Haley is indeed fired because of his ability to get the most out of his quarterbacks.

Just please make sure that if that is gonna happen, that Cassel is long gone by the time he is hired and he has little to no say into player personnel moves.

There could be worse choices.

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 05:26 PM
Pedergast sucks, replace him with Romeo
Gailey/fails Haley over his head, replace with Weis
Haley fails, a pattern is in place

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-23-2011, 05:27 PM
Stanford and Sons


Think about it...

BossChief
09-23-2011, 05:28 PM
Yeah if we somehow get Luck, I'd like to see them bring in a new coach. I'd like an epic coach/QB duo like Bill Belichick/Tom Brady and Pete Carroll/Tarvaris Jackson.

I still have a lot of faith in Haley.

If he had a real QB to run his offense (that includes a lot of deep and intermediate passing) I think our offense would be pretty fucking good by now.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 05:41 PM
You know theres other parts of the team right? Our offense has more tackles than the defensive line combined. You defending a coach who's suffered 2 of the largest defeats in franchise history is hilarious but expected from the team mascot.
The offensive problems lie squarely on Cassel's shoulders. This is indisputable.

Do you think Haley would be under the gun if his QB was Aaron Rodgers?

Guru
09-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Do you guys like Yes Man head coaches like Herm?

While I'm not crazy about Haley, it's hardly fair to judge him fully with this abortion under center.

Weiss had this abortion under center putting up decent numbers last year. He hasn't done shit with Haley running the O. I'm not saying we should keep Cassel at all but I'm not giving Haley a pass when it is obvious he is not going to let anyone run our offense without him interfering enough to completely fuck it up.

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 06:13 PM
The offensive problems lie squarely on Cassel's shoulders. This is indisputable.

Do you think Haley would be under the gun if his QB was Aaron Rodgers?

He might have a decent QB sitting inactive. That's on Haley.

Guru
09-23-2011, 06:16 PM
If Haley is fired, we not only lose a guy that has coordinated a superbowl offense with a competent quarterback, we lose a master motivator, a guy that has brought a sense of accountability back to KC, and what may well be most importantly, a guy with decades of player personnel backround (even as a young man, he was round his dad who built the Steelers dynasty back in the day) and has surely played a big part into the last two drafts that have yielded us a **** ton of good talent.

If I have to chose between Todd Haley and Andrew Luck, there is no choice...Bye Haley...but if there is a way to keep Haley and still be in position to draft Luck...we will be well on our way to greater things for the next 15 years.

WTF? Have you even watched our last 4 regular season games? Master motivator? I'm sure he is a great OC with the right tools but as a HC he sucks.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 06:16 PM
He might have a decent QB sitting inactive. That's on Haley.

that one is on Pioli being stubborn and controlling.

Guru
09-23-2011, 06:20 PM
If I were having a say in the call, I keep Haley and hire Tom Clements (GBs QB coach, who has ties to KC) to be our new OC and hopefully find a way to draft Andrew Luck.

Those would be absolutely solid choices for this team going forward.
There is only one OC that Haley will work with and that is Haley himself. He has already proven that he can't be OC and HC so where does that leave us?

BossChief
09-23-2011, 06:20 PM
WTF? Have you even watched our last 4 regular season games? Master motivator? I'm sure he is a great OC with the right tools but as a HC he sucks.

HCs are almost always judged on what is ultimately their QBs performance.

This is no different.

Look at the great Bill Billicheck before and after Tom Brady for proof of that statement....if that doesn't do it, there are hundreds of other examples.

Guru
09-23-2011, 06:26 PM
HCs are almost always judged on what is ultimately their QBs performance.

This is no different.

Look at the great Bill Billicheck before and after Tom Brady for proof of that statement....if that doesn't do it, there are hundreds of other examples.

Of course they are. BUT, that doesn't mean that Haley is being unfairly criticized. Keep in mind, I didn't want him or Cassel. I thought they were both horrible pickups by Pioli and so far, I feel justified in that thought.

How do you explain the crap he pulled on Wiess at the end of last year? Our O was doing decent enough before he decided to interfere. THAT wasn't Cassel's fault. Haley hasn't done shit to make me think he deserves another year as HC.

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 06:30 PM
that one is on Pioli being stubborn and controlling.

You are completely 100% wrong. There has not been one iota of proof that Pioli has ever told a coach who to play. Holley came out and said that micromanaging isn't Pioli's style and that he isn't a Jerry Jones type GM. It's on Haley.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 06:33 PM
Of course they are. BUT, that doesn't mean that Haley is being unfairly criticized. Keep in mind, I didn't want him or Cassel. I thought they were both horrible pickups by Pioli and so far, I feel justified in that thought.

How do you explain the crap he pulled on Wiess at the end of last year? Our O was doing decent enough before he decided to interfere. THAT wasn't Cassel's fault. Haley hasn't done shit to make me think he deserves another year as HC.
Holley confirmed that those rumors of Haley taking over playcalling were NOT true and he had first hand knowledge of the situation.

That should have put that rumor to rest, but evidently, it didn't.

Guru
09-23-2011, 06:37 PM
Holley confirmed that those rumors of Haley taking over playcalling were NOT true and he had first hand knowledge of the situation.

That should have put that rumor to rest, but evidently, it didn't.
First I heard of that. Still, Haley couldn't do shit with Cassel his first year and can't do shit with him this year. What was different again?

BossChief
09-23-2011, 06:56 PM
You are completely 100% wrong. There has not been one iota of proof that Pioli has ever told a coach who to play. Holley came out and said that micromanaging isn't Pioli's style and that he isn't a Jerry Jones type GM. It's on Haley.Clark wanted to draft and develop a franchise QB and Pioli instead traded for Cassel.

That was Pioli going on a limb and its up to him to be right, its also why he hired Weis to "fix the quarterback"..seems like he was micromanaging there, doesnt it? I mean, Haley talking about the hire talked about how he and CW got in a lot od fights while coaching in the same room in NY with the Jets. That was Piolis move.

If Haley were to bench Cassel in that situation, it would be putting clown shoes on Pioli and it would hurt Piolis credibility with Hunt because of going against his wishes in the first place.

First I heard of that. Still, Haley couldn't do shit with Cassel his first year and can't do shit with him this year. What was different again?

Even last year, Cassel looked like complete garbage after 2 weeks WITH THE GREAT WEIS.

Dont you remember "I graded out perfectly"?

Seriously, if you guys cant see that Cassel is the problem here, I dont know what to tell you.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 06:58 PM
He might have a decent QB sitting inactive. That's on Haley.

You must be on crack. You're criticizing Haley because he isn't going with a 5th round rookie who didn't get a full off-season to prepare? Wow.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 06:59 PM
You must be on crack. You're criticizing Haley because he isn't going with a 5th round rookie who didn't get a full off-season to prepare? Wow.

THIS

and you guys know how much I like/believe in Stanzi

Guru
09-23-2011, 07:09 PM
Clark wanted to draft and develop a franchise QB and Pioli instead traded for Cassel.

That was Pioli going on a limb and its up to him to be right, its also why he hired Weis to "fix the quarterback"..seems like he was micromanaging there, doesnt it? I mean, Haley talking about the hire talked about how he and CW got in a lot od fights while coaching in the same room in NY with the Jets. That was Piolis move.

If Haley were to bench Cassel in that situation, it would be putting clown shoes on Pioli and it would hurt Piolis credibility with Hunt because of going against his wishes in the first place.



Even last year, Cassel looked like complete garbage after 2 weeks WITH THE GREAT WEIS.

Dont you remember "I graded out perfectly"?

Seriously, if you guys cant see that Cassel is the problem here, I dont know what to tell you.

I didn't say the entire season. The first two weeks he was crap and the last two weeks he was crap. The games he played in between he was serviceable. That was Weiss.

Everything got weird during the game with the Titans when Haley yanked him for a series. It was all downhill from there.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 07:24 PM
Haley wants to have a quarterback that makes defenses cover the whole field.

So does Zorn.

BOTH of them were yelling at Matt to throw the damn ball downfield and GC has posted screen shots of multiple players being open in those situations.

Matt simply doesnt trust himself.

I think it has to do with the mental aspect of MCs history of losing battles for the starting position and seeing Stanzis superior tools every day probably makes him feel like USC all over again...its probably something they have been trying to avoid since day one and why they haven't brought anyone in to compete with him, even after a horrible 2009.

Matt better step it the fuck up if he wants to keep his job because his window in KC as the starter is close to ending.

Count Alex's Losses
09-23-2011, 07:28 PM
I didn't say the entire season. The first two weeks he was crap and the last two weeks he was crap. The games he played in between he was serviceable. That was Weiss.

Everything got weird during the game with the Titans when Haley yanked him for a series. It was all downhill from there.

I would say it wasn't even that positive.

He had two good games in the first half of the season - against the 49ers and Texans.

The other games he was downright horrible to average.

Then he went on a 5 or 6-game hot streak and ever since he's been shitting his pants with regularity.

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 07:28 PM
You must be on crack. You're criticizing Haley because he isn't going with a 5th round rookie who didn't get a full off-season to prepare? Wow.

Yes. I'm criticizing him for making the kid inactive. He could have gotten one series in the last two games when it was meaningless.

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 07:29 PM
Haley wants to have a quarterback that makes defenses cover the whole field.
.

Seems to me like Haley wanted to build a run 1st team.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 07:43 PM
Seems to me like Haley wanted to build a run 1st team.Haleys offense is exactly what you see if you watch Arizona 2008. Its a 60/40 split in favor of the pass. Thats what got his offense to the superbowl even with just an average defense.

Actually, Weis aka "QB GURU" developed a gameplan that was "run first" as part of his plan that in his own words were "fix the quarterback" by taking away the deep routes and making everything based on 2 reads because that's all MC can do...and to be quite honest, he isn't even good at that. ALL of his passes need to be adjusted to by his receivers.

That was supposed to be a start, but Cassel STILL wont throw the fucking ball down the damn field when the opportunities are right there for the taking. Or improve in going through his progressions and still looks at the pressure instead of keeping his eyes downfield.

Dude is a backup quality player.

whoman69
09-23-2011, 07:43 PM
Seems to me like Haley wanted to build a run 1st team.

You build your team around your most important piece. Would you build a pass first team with Check Down?

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 07:47 PM
Haleys offense is exactly what you see if you watch Arizona 2008. Its a 60/40 split in favor of the pass. Thats what got his offense to the superbowl even with just an average defense.

Actually, Weis aka "QB GURU" developed a gameplan that was "run first" as part of his plan that in his own words were "fix the quarterback" by taking away the deep routes and making everything based on 2 reads because that's all MC can do...and to be quite honest, he isn't even good at that. ALL of his passes need to be adjusted to by his receivers.

That was supposed to be a start, but Cassel STILL wont throw the ****ing ball down the damn field when the opportunities are right there for the taking. Or improve in going through his progressions and still looks at the pressure instead of keeping his eyes downfield.

Dude is a backup quality player.

Nobody is arguing about Cassel. He isn't the answer. The question is why can't the great Haley get him to produce like Weis did? Why can't the great Haley get Stanzi some game time in preseason or when the game is a blowout? A halftime adjustment would be nice one of these days.

whoman69
09-23-2011, 07:48 PM
Actually, Weis aka "QB GURU" developed a gameplan that was "run first" as part of his plan that in his own words were "fix the quarterback" by taking away the deep routes and making everything based on 2 reads because that's all MC can do...and to be quite honest, he isn't even good at that. ALL of his passes need to be adjusted to by his receivers.

That was supposed to be a start, but Cassel STILL wont throw the ****ing ball down the damn field when the opportunities are right there for the taking. Or improve in going through his progressions and still looks at the pressure instead of keeping his eyes downfield.

Dude is a backup quality player.

His one shot downfield was 10 yards behind Bowe. He can't throw the ball down the field. I think they were mad at him because he couldn't even get rid of the ball before the half on a hail mary. A good play could have changed the whole momentum of the game. Instead it just snowballed.

Guru
09-23-2011, 07:49 PM
Nobody is arguing about Cassel. He isn't the answer. The question is why can't the great Haley get him to produce like Weis did? Why can't the great Haley get Stanzi some game time in preseason or when the game is a blowout? A halftime adjustment would be nice one of these days.

THANK YOU :clap::clap:

Wiess only made him serviceable but that is still better than what Haley is doing which is nothing.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 07:55 PM
Nobody is arguing about Cassel. He isn't the answer. The question is why can't the great Haley get him to produce like Weis did? Why can't the great Haley get Stanzi some game time in preseason or when the game is a blowout? A halftime adjustment would be nice one of these days.

Teams had 12 games of film (nothing the first two games) to see that all they had to do was crowd the line, double Bowe and blitz a lot to shut us down and the Raiders, Ravens, Bills and Lions all used that gameplan to do exactly that because Cassel hasn't grown to make them respect more and to hurt them by crowding the line.

I totally agree that it was BS Stanzi not playing in that 4th preseason game and him being inactive the first two games.

Unfortunately, halftime adjustments are another one of my gripes with this staff as well. Ive been VERY disapointed in them in those regards.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 08:02 PM
THANK YOU :clap::clap:

Wiess only made him serviceable but that is still better than what Haley is doing which is nothing.

WEIS

Haley is doing exactly what he should at this point.

What do you think he should do? Continue to coddle MC?

Run half an offense and never have a chance to win big games?

He is putting Cassel in a situation (after 3 years as a starter in this offense and 3 more years sitting and learning behind a HOF QB from this same system) where he either needs to step the fuck up and be a NFL starting quality quarterback...or be relegated to backup duties.

Thats what the big picture is all about.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 08:03 PM
First I heard of that. Still, Haley couldn't do shit with Cassel his first year and can't do shit with him this year. What was different again?

How good was the passing game after 2 games last season?

Guru
09-23-2011, 08:03 PM
Teams had 12 games of film (nothing the first two games) to see that all they had to do was crowd the line, double Bowe and blitz a lot to shut us down and the Raiders, Ravens, Bills and Lions all used that gameplan to do exactly that because Cassel hasn't grown to make them respect more and to hurt them by crowding the line.

I totally agree that it was BS Stanzi not playing in that 4th preseason game and him being inactive the first two games.

Unfortunately, halftime adjustments are another one of my gripes with this staff as well. Ive been VERY disapointed in them in those regards.Now we are starting to find some common ground. ;)

BossChief
09-23-2011, 08:06 PM
Truth be told, and Ive said this at least a half dozen times, I think this offense starts really looking REALLY GOOD once Stanzi takes the field as the starter.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 08:09 PM
There are a few people around here that have blind hatred for Haley, therefore are unable to debate him logically.

I like Haley, but if he's fired, so be it. I'm not gonna cry about it unless Pioli hires Cowher or something stupid like that.

TEX
09-23-2011, 08:14 PM
There are a few people around here that have blind hatred for Haley, therefore are unable to debate him logically.

I like Haley, but if he's fired, so be it. I'm not gonna cry about it unless Pioli hires Cowher or something stupid like that.

You're funny. Hiring a Super Bowl winning coach is far from stupid. Sounds like you have the same blind hatred for Cowher as those here who have it for Haley... :hmmm:

Guru
09-23-2011, 08:16 PM
There are a few people around here that have blind hatred for Haley, therefore are unable to debate him logically.

I like Haley, but if he's fired, so be it. I'm not gonna cry about it unless Pioli hires Cowher or something stupid like that.

Blind hatred? Kind of strong don't ya think?

I know I don't hate the guy. I think he would be a fine OC for some team. I just don't feel he fits in here as a HC at all. Hence, why I didn't want him here from the start.

Okie_Apparition
09-23-2011, 08:18 PM
What the **** good are half time adjustments? Has Cassel ever brought this team back from behind? Did they even win a game that they didn't have the lead? If they did was because of a special team or defensive TD?

Cassel just gives the running game a breaher at best

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 08:22 PM
There are a few people around here that have blind hatred for Haley, therefore are unable to debate him logically.

I like Haley, but if he's fired, so be it. I'm not gonna cry about it unless Pioli hires Cowher or something stupid like that.

Blind hatred? That's funny coming from you. The guy who can't have any discussion about the Chiefs without blaming everything on Cassel.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 08:29 PM
You're funny. Hiring a Super Bowl winning coach is far from stupid. Sounds like you have the same blind hatred for Cowher as those here who have it for Haley... :hmmm:no superbowl winning coach has EVER won a superbowl win a second team.

I wouldnt be as opposed as most to a hiring of Cowher, but I dont like those odds, either.

Blind hatred? Kind of strong don't ya think?

I know I don't hate the guy. I think he would be a fine OC for some team. I just don't feel he fits in here as a HC at all. Hence, why I didn't want him here from the start.

question:

do you think Haley hired Weis and Crennel?

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 08:34 PM
Blind hatred? That's funny coming from you. The guy who can't have any discussion about the Chiefs without blaming everything on Cassel.LMAO That's not blind hatred. It's a fact that Cassel sucks, not just my opinion.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 08:36 PM
You're funny. Hiring a Super Bowl winning coach is far from stupid. Sounds like you have the same blind hatred for Cowher as those here who have it for Haley... :hmmm:Oh, you mean the SB the officials gift wrapped. Cowher is overrated.

Guru
09-23-2011, 08:36 PM
no superbowl winning coach has EVER won a superbowl win a second team.

I wouldnt be as opposed as most to a hiring of Cowher, but I dont like those odds, either.



question:

do you think Haley hired Weis and Crennel?

No. Pioli did. Haley still has a responsibility to make it work whether he likes the OC or not. It still doesn't change the fact that Weiss had us winning games with Cassel and Haley didn't.

I still believe that the only OC that Haley can work with is Haley.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 08:44 PM
No. Pioli did. Haley still has a responsibility to make it work whether he likes the OC or not. It still doesn't change the fact that Weiss had us winning games with Cassel and Haley didn't.

I still believe that the only OC that Haley can work with is Haley.

thats the problem here man.

Pioli trades for HIS quarterback
Pioli hires all the coaches
Pioli brings in the players (this part I think Haley has played a part in)

NFL head coaches almost ALWAYS hire their own coaching staff and most of the time make the calls as to who plays and who sits (though some GMs do play a part in which players play...the ones that dont win)

How can you say that Haley is a failure if the guy cant even have the freedom most NFL head coaches get in choosing the coaches that fit their style and what they want to do with the team?

I bet if he gets fired, he gets an OC job quickly (unless he wants to take a paid year off) and within 2 years is back in a HC spot where he gets to chose his own coaches and he thrives.

Handcuffing the guy to Matt Cassel and a bunch of coaches he didnt chose (and end up not working out) is a totally fucked way to treat a HC.

All Weis would have done would be allow Pioli to keep Cassel here for a few more years in which all this great young talent would go to waste.

JMO

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 08:45 PM
No. Pioli did. Haley still has a responsibility to make it work whether he likes the OC or not. It still doesn't change the fact that Weiss had us winning games with Cassel and Haley didn't.

I still believe that the only OC that Haley can work with is Haley.

Cassel played well against shit defenses.

Pioli Zombie
09-23-2011, 08:46 PM
2-5 down the stretch? When were the Chiefs 8-2??

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 08:48 PM
Cassel played well against shit defenses.

And this year??

Chiefnj2
09-23-2011, 08:49 PM
Pioli hires all the coaches


Who fired Gailey and was in over his head? Who brought Clancy in over from Arizona with him? How do you know what role Haley had with respect to Zorn or Muir?

Guru
09-23-2011, 08:49 PM
thats the problem here man.

Pioli trades for HIS quarterback
Pioli hires all the coaches
Pioli brings in the players (this part I think Haley has played a part in)

NFL head coaches almost ALWAYS hire their own coaching staff and most of the time make the calls as to who plays and who sits (though some GMs do play a part in which players play...the ones that dont win)

How can you say that Haley is a failure if the guy cant even have the freedom most NFL head coaches get in choosing the coaches that fit their style and what they want to do with the team?

I bet if he gets fired, he gets an OC job quickly (unless he wants to take a paid year off) and within 2 years is back in a HC spot where he gets to chose his own coaches and he thrives.

Handcuffing the guy to Matt Cassel and a bunch of coaches he didnt chose (and end up not working out) is a totally ****ed way to treat a HC.

All Weis would have done would be allow Pioli to keep Cassel here for a few more years in which all this great young talent would go to waste.

JMO

I didn't call him a failure. I never wanted him from day one. I thought it was a mistake to go with him from the start. To be completely honest, I also think Pioli is just as much a problem as Haley at this point.

Haley has a responsibility to work with the hand he is dealt, whether it be fair to him or not.

I liked Pioli until he brought in Cassel and then hired Haley. Far as I'm concerned I'm ready to blow it all up again before we get stuck in another "5 year plan".

BossChief
09-23-2011, 08:57 PM
Who fired Gailey and was in over his head? Who brought Clancy in over from Arizona with him? How do you know what role Haley had with respect to Zorn or Muir?

Haley should have been able to hire his own OC.

Pure and simple.

...if that was the case, we would probably have two experienced playcallers by now and Haley would be able to focus on other areas.

You know, things a HC does...

Clancy was a bad hire, no doubt, but after getting hired in February, not much was out there as far as DCs go. Im not gonna give him a full pass on that one, but that situation is hard to make a decision that would please us fans and get results the following year...also remember that Crennel was contacted that year and Clancy wasn't even hired as the DC...he was hired as a defensive assistant and was named DC a few weeks later once Crennel told them he wasn't ready yet after his surgery.

I just think its bullshit to place the blame on Haleys desk for things that werent his decisions.

BossChief
09-23-2011, 08:59 PM
I didn't call him a failure. I never wanted him from day one. I thought it was a mistake to go with him from the start. To be completely honest, I also think Pioli is just as much a problem as Haley at this point.

Haley has a responsibility to work with the hand he is dealt, whether it be fair to him or not.

I liked Pioli until he brought in Cassel and then hired Haley. Far as I'm concerned I'm ready to blow it all up again before we get stuck in another "5 year plan".

I think it all boils down to the Cassel trade and once a change is made at QB, things will change for this team across the board.

JMO

Guru
09-23-2011, 09:01 PM
I think it all boils down to the Cassel trade and once a change is made at QB, things will change for this team across the board.

JMO

Well, I am all for a QB change. I don't even care if we throw Stanzi to the wolves right now. I'm sick of Cassel.

Seriously, why the hell is Stanzi inactive anyway?

BossChief
09-23-2011, 09:13 PM
Well, I am all for a QB change. I don't even care if we throw Stanzi to the wolves right now. I'm sick of Cassel.

Seriously, why the hell is Stanzi inactive anyway?

playbook

I bet he starts being active after the bye...maybe even the game before the bye.

Guru
09-23-2011, 09:25 PM
playbook

I bet he starts being active after the bye...maybe even the game before the bye.

The sooner the better.

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2011, 09:36 PM
And this year??
Sample size is too small. Cassel did struggle against Buffalo last season as well.

FAX
09-23-2011, 09:48 PM
I am saddened by some of the posts in this thread thing. Almost to the point where I want to throw my margarita down the sink. Almost.

For whatever reason, Cassel is even worse this year than last. So far, anyhow. However, Haley can't throw the ball for Cassel, gentlemen. Even if Weis were in the booth, Cassel would still be careening a few 7-yard, giant balls of crap before hitting the bench to look at Polaroids.

Besides, Zorn was brought in to coach the pitiable dumbass. Where is the Zorn-hate?

FAX

58kcfan89
09-23-2011, 09:57 PM
playbook

I bet he starts being active after the bye...maybe even the game before the bye.

That the same reason Powe's been inactive? I haven't been paying much attention this week & think JP could maybe get a freakin' push on our front 3...

BossChief
09-23-2011, 10:04 PM
That the same reason Powe's been inactive? I haven't been paying much attention this week & think JP could maybe get a freakin' push on our front 3...

I think it may be a conditioning thing with Powe, but that's just an educated guess.

This Amon Gordon guy looks pretty good, though...one of the few bright spots, to be sure.