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ChiefsNow
09-22-2011, 10:59 AM
There is a better way to get luck than tanking the season for it. We should try as hard as we can to win as many as we can. Do as well as we can with what we have, with the known fact that we lost our best players. What better way to go down than fighting and finding out what other hidden gems we may have on the existing team.

If Haley can figure out a way in the heat of battle with all this new pressure of the fans going completely south . That will prove more to me than being in the playoffs now with the given situation. What better way to find out if he is a good head coach? What better way to find out if Pioli is a good manager and see if he finds the right help and makes the rightmoves to help the team actually improve and be legitimate by the end of the year.

If we really want Luck as bad as you all are acting like, why not do it the right way.
Go after him in the draft. Whatever it takes. Blockbuster trade. If it's 3 1st round picks, so be it. If it's our entire draft next year, so be it. If you are willing to tank the year for him, why not. It's a much more respectable way to go about things. I would not be ashamed of that. I am ashamed of the way many fans are going about this.

The way things are going right now, I do kinda wish they would make the QB switch sooner rather than later. I would like to see Stanzi get the chance, but we are not at
the practices and it just may be that the people in the know think Palko is better. If they
do make changes, and I think they may, then they are serious about going for serious improvement.

Maybe there is one good thing about the suck for luck thing. I think it may very well, with the publicity it has gotten, I think it very well may have opened their eyes.

I want to see the Chiefs stay classy, including the fans.

MahiMike
09-22-2011, 11:00 AM
I had originally suggested the same thing. Problem is, with so much emphasis this year on this guy, it would take a Ditka/Ricky Williams deal to get him. In the end, it would be too costly.

durtyrute
09-22-2011, 11:01 AM
I would rather try what you've suggested than to just give up after two games.

loochy
09-22-2011, 11:01 AM
because this way is easier

noa
09-22-2011, 11:03 AM
The Chiefs aren't trying to lose every game. They are just a bad team right now with major injury problems, a defense that can be easily exploited, and a very bad QB, and the fans who want Luck have the mindset that losing all or substantially all the games this season wouldn't be the end of the world considering the reward.<br />
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bowener
09-22-2011, 11:04 AM
The difference is one of the two scenarios you have mentioned is realistic and much more likely. Can you guess which scenario is most likely to occur?

I think Mickey might have put it best, "you can wish in one hand, and shit in the other. See which one fills up first."

Detoxing
09-22-2011, 11:04 AM
You're right. With CP giving Luck such a monumental collective BJ, that should be enough to draw Luck to KC.

I am sure there are several member here that would suck his cock if that meant him being a Chief. Ahem...LUV....

suds79
09-22-2011, 11:05 AM
If you think there is any realistic scenario of trading for the top pick and getting the best QB prospect in the last 10 years, you're dreaming.

Not going to happen. No team is going to deal that pick.

Honestly our chances of going 0-16 are more likely then that happening.

Frazod
09-22-2011, 11:05 AM
So, you'd rather finish 8-8 and trade away our entire future to get Luck?

Please, seek help. :shake:

Donger
09-22-2011, 11:09 AM
In your scenario, it seems that the Chiefs would require willing participation by other teams with higher picks than ours.

Frosty
09-22-2011, 11:11 AM
In your scenario, it seems that the Chiefs would require willing participation by other teams with higher picks than ours.

Hey, it works in Madden.

bowener
09-22-2011, 11:11 AM
In your scenario, it seems that the Chiefs would require willing participation by other teams with higher picks than ours.

This is CP... the land where all trades favoring the Chiefs are likely if not locks to happen.

ChiefsNow
09-22-2011, 11:11 AM
So, you'd rather finish 8-8 and trade away our entire future to get Luck?

Please, seek help. :shake:

Why is that trading our entire future? It's just trading pics, If we have Luck after trading pics away, We can temporarily cover for that with free agents, How many player do we actually get out of a draft? Only a couple players actually stick and make a dent.

And yes, 8 -8 would make me very happy.

Coogs
09-22-2011, 11:12 AM
Couple of years ago, we sat in the #3 draft position. Apparently Detroit listened to offers for the #1 spot... but in the end they wound up selecting Stafford. Unfortunately, we were not even in position to offer, because a month prior to the draft we traded our 2nd round pick for Cassel. Now I don't know for sure, but I would be willing to speculate that #3 and #34 in the draft would have come close to landing Stafford. Might have took a little more, but probably not a lot considering most teams were wanting to not pay the high dollar for a #1 overall pick.

Since we wouldn't move from #3 to #1 then, what makes you think we would move now? Having the #1 overall is the only sure fire way we know we would have a shot at Luck.

And since we have a total of 3 playoff wins in 40 years... 2 of them comming with a nearly washed up franchise QB... I think all of us know how important having said franchise QB is to the overall grand scheme of things.

These next 3 games are going to go a long ways towards determining if we are a legit Luck contender or not. And being in the #1 slot seems to be the only sure fire way we get Luck.

PhillyChiefFan
09-22-2011, 11:17 AM
I had originally suggested the same thing. Problem is, with so much emphasis this year on this guy, it would take a Ditka/Ricky Williams deal to get him. In the end, it would be too costly.

Yep. QB's like Luck don't come around every draft, every team without a franchise QB will be after him. Hell he was ready to go top 5 LAST season.

Seattle, Indy, Wash, San Fran, Miami, and any other teams that want to groom an elite QBOTF ala GB and Aaron Rodgers.

Combine that with the new rookie salary scale and there will be an all out effort to get him.

durtyrute
09-22-2011, 11:18 AM
If we go 0-16 or even 2-14 all while trying to win and THEN we get Luck then I'm cool with that. But asking our team to lay down and die for this guy when another just like him will come along in a couple of years maybe even less is fucking ridculous.

Okie_Apparition
09-22-2011, 11:19 AM
THey're just avoiding the pain of loosing now. Only to have it be more painful latter when Luck isn't a Chief in May of 2012.

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09-22-2011, 11:23 AM
Why is that trading our entire future? It's just trading pics...

Trading pics is never a good idea. Once they're on the internet, you've traded your future.

Frazod
09-22-2011, 11:25 AM
I think you all need to accept the fact that this is probably the shittiest Chiefs team ever fielded, already decimated by key, insurmountable injuries, playing a brutal schedule that would have done them in anyway.

They're going to suck epic ass regardless of whether we want them to or not.

Brock
09-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Good God, what a homer dumbass.

Donger
09-22-2011, 11:28 AM
And yes, 8 -8 would make me very happy.

LMAO

ChiefsNow
09-22-2011, 11:30 AM
Good God, what a homer dumbass.

I know you are, but what am I?

Valiant
09-22-2011, 11:31 AM
You and others like you are ****ing idiots.

This team does not have to try and lose to go 0-16 or 1-15, they can do it on their own.
You would rather go 8-8 forever, never win a playoff game since 93 and be happy because we tried.

Come on guys, being respectful counts..

Dikta/williams trade was idiotic. It would be a 1000x worse now that the rookie cap is in place.

People wanting luck,want him for a reason, we have not gone after a potential franchise qb in decades. Nope, retreads is what some of you want.

Some fans want playoff victories and a shot at a superbowl in the future, if sucking while some of our stars are hurt to get him does it, then you root for losing games for the future.

It has happened to lots of teams drafting franchise qbs. Or we can go the harder route and luck into brady, that happens all the time in your world.

What would you rather have the next five years in our situation.

Suck, get luck and everyone else back and maybe compete?

Squeek out 3-5 wins, have cassel or some other average qb while the rest of the team gets older.


You are the defenition of crazy, doing/expecting the same thing and expecting a different outcome

Okie_Apparition
09-22-2011, 11:33 AM
If fucking Herm can win 2 games with less talent. Haley can win 3

Rausch
09-22-2011, 11:34 AM
So, you'd rather finish 8-8 and trade away our entire future to get Luck?

Please, seek help. :shake:

I'd prefer to finish whatever we do and then do what's necessary to get a fucking legitimate QB...

Otter
09-22-2011, 11:35 AM
This season is NOT going to be salvaged and I'd rather keep our future 1st round draft picks all things considered. 8-8 is the same as 0-16. Hell, at least 0-16 will be a change of pace.

Fall back and regroup.

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 11:35 AM
Like the players are going to half ass it to make sure we get Luck.

Newsflash folks - WHAT WE THINK AND WANT HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

The Chiefs aren't going to mail it in because CP wants them to. Therefore the entire concept of this thread is null.

Rausch
09-22-2011, 11:35 AM
If ****ing Herm can win 2 games with less talent. Haley can win 3

With 52 Golfers off the street...

Brock
09-22-2011, 11:36 AM
The Chiefs aren't going to mail it in because CP wants them to. Therefore the entire concept of this thread is null.

It appears to be working so far.

Valiant
09-22-2011, 11:39 AM
Like the players are going to half ass it to make sure we get Luck.

Newsflash folks - WHAT WE THINK AND WANT HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

The Chiefs aren't going to mail it in because CP wants them to. Therefore the entire concept of this thread is null.

The don't have to listen to us. They suck on their own. Especially with the coaches we have running the ship. Wait til hey play some playoff teams.

Marcellus
09-22-2011, 11:39 AM
It appears to be working so far.

Touche'.

SNR
09-22-2011, 11:39 AM
Great idea!

I'll relay this idea to Pioli and Haley in my meeting this afternoon. Maybe they'll agree with you and decide to not lose so many games

Okie_Apparition
09-22-2011, 11:40 AM
Pollard, Tank, Turk, Gunther, Thigpen, last legs LJ. All give you Gailey > Muir. But that's about it

The Bad Guy
09-22-2011, 11:59 AM
Yeah, let's give up 3 first round picks instead of just losing 12 out of 14. That'll surely fix things around here.

Sofa King
09-22-2011, 12:08 PM
Losing's cheaper. not only for the team in terms of picks, but for the fans as well. Noone wants to waste good money on a 5-11 team that trades away all it's draft picks on a gamble QB, even if that QB looks like the bestest qb evar!!1!!.

KCChiefsFan88
09-22-2011, 12:27 PM
The amazing thing about the Chiefs is they have the ability to suck this bad without tanking... they have the superhuman ability to suck this bad while still actually trying to win.

It is the best of both worlds. No one can accuse the Chiefs of tanking, and yet they still have a great chance of going 0-16.

Groves
09-22-2011, 12:37 PM
One of the many glaring flaws in purposefully losing in order to get Luck, is that the players would never buy in.

Matt Cassel will never purposefully suck worse than he does in order to more quickly lose his job.




Which is why he might have to be taken out by a sniper.

Palko does gives us a better chance of netting Luck.

ChiefsNow
09-22-2011, 12:43 PM
For many of you, RedThat is your leader.

Old Dog
09-22-2011, 12:43 PM
Great googly moogly. Did your parents have any children who aren't brain dead?

58kcfan89
09-22-2011, 12:44 PM
Pollard, Tank, Turk, Gunther, Thigpen, last legs LJ. All give you Gailey > Muir. But that's about it

Piscitelli, McGraw, Jackson, McCluster/last legs Thomas Jones.

Hell, I'm sure there's plenty of guys around here who would argue that '08 Thipen > Cassel. But I don't want to get into that.

Let's not act like the (current) 2011 Chiefs are SOOO much more talented than the '08 version. There's a helluva lot of holes on this team. Although when the team is healthy, there's many more playmakers on the current roster than there were in '08, but losing Charles, Berry & even Moeaki has set this team back pretty far.

Bewbies
09-22-2011, 12:49 PM
There is no way the team with the first pick is trading it this year. None.

Douche Baggins
09-22-2011, 12:53 PM
So you want to trade three or four more wins for a huge glut of draft picks.

Sounds logical.

ChiefsNow
09-22-2011, 01:10 PM
So you want to trade three or four more wins for a huge glut of draft picks.

Sounds logical.


Right now we are one game out in the division. If later in the season we are totally out of it I may quietly kinda want us to lose a game or two if we are near last place still. When we are completely out of it , it would make sense, but now it does not. There are gonna be a couple other good qbs left to pick if we are near the bottom still. What if by then Stanzi does come in and impress?

BigCatDaddy
09-22-2011, 01:12 PM
Right now we are one game out in the division. If later in the season we are totally out of it I may quietly kinda want us to lose a game or two if we are near last place still. When we are completely out of it , it would make sense, but now it does not. There are gonna be a couple other good qbs left to pick if we are near the bottom still. What if by then Stanzi does come in and impress?

What is monkey's fly out my ass? I mean Donger did say such a feat is possible.

Sofa King
09-22-2011, 01:15 PM
Right now we are one game out in the division. If later in the season we are totally out of it I may quietly kinda want us to lose a game or two if we are near last place still. When we are completely out of it , it would make sense, but now it does not. There are gonna be a couple other good qbs left to pick if we are near the bottom still. What if by then Stanzi does come in and impress?

So now you're relying on a 5th round QB to take the place of the #1 overall.

Come on man.

Saulbadguy
09-22-2011, 01:19 PM
It's week 3. This young mans fancy has turned towards ruptured tendons and torn ligaments.

wazu
09-22-2011, 01:26 PM
It's week 3. This young mans fancy has turned towards ruptured tendons and torn ligaments.

LMAO

SNR
09-22-2011, 01:30 PM
By the way....

If the Chiefs DID struggle against being a bad team and won 7 games or so this season and THEN did an enormous blockbuster trade to get Luck on draft day, I would applaud it. At least that means the culture and mindset of the organization has changed, and it would give me hope as a fan.

BUT, if I had the decision of losing out or taking the previous strategy, it's lose, baby, lose.

loochy
09-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Right now we are one game out in the division. If later in the season we are totally out of it I may quietly kinda want us to lose a game or two if we are near last place still. When we are completely out of it , it would make sense, but now it does not. There are gonna be a couple other good qbs left to pick if we are near the bottom still. What if by then Stanzi does come in and impress?

You are living up to your name. You want the CHIEFS to be good NOW. Most of the rest of us are willing to accept the Chiefs as bad right now for a chance to be GREAT later.

whoman69
09-22-2011, 02:24 PM
The Chiefs aren't trying to lose every game. They are just a bad team right now with major injury problems, a defense that can be easily exploited, and a very bad QB, and the fans who want Luck have the mindset that losing all or substantially all the games this season wouldn't be the end of the world considering the reward.<br />
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What if its a nosedive they can't pull out of? I don't think just ordering a potential franchise QB is the final step for this team. There are obviously other holes than just QB.

notorious
09-22-2011, 02:27 PM
What if its a nosedive they can't pull out of? I don't think just ordering a potential franchise QB is the final step for this team. There are obviously other holes than just QB.

Uh-Oh.

Donger
09-22-2011, 02:29 PM
What if its a nosedive they can't pull out of? I don't think just ordering a potential franchise QB is the final step for this team. There are obviously other holes than just QB.

But you would agree that one is required to get to and win the Super Bowl, yes?

Douche Baggins
09-22-2011, 02:34 PM
Right now we are one game out in the division. If later in the season we are totally out of it I may quietly kinda want us to lose a game or two if we are near last place still. When we are completely out of it , it would make sense, but now it does not. There are gonna be a couple other good qbs left to pick if we are near the bottom still. What if by then Stanzi does come in and impress?

So when we get eviscerated Sunday, will that be enough for you to say, KILL ME NOW?

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/arnie2.gif

Brock
09-22-2011, 02:34 PM
What if its a nosedive they can't pull out of? I don't think just ordering a potential franchise QB is the final step for this team. There are obviously other holes than just QB.

LMAO DRAFT OFFENSIVE LINE IN THE TOP 5!!!

L.A. Chieffan
09-22-2011, 02:48 PM
Jfc, there's some stupid motherfuckers

blaise
09-22-2011, 02:49 PM
I want the team to play as hard as they can and try and win the games, it's just that I'm not going to be sad if they lose a bunch and get the #1 pick. It's not about right way vs wrong way. I don't know that many people are saying they should tank games intentionally.

blaise
09-22-2011, 02:51 PM
For many of you, RedThat is your leader.

You understand that rooting for or against the team doesn't make them win or lose games, right?

SNR
09-22-2011, 02:59 PM
What if its a nosedive they can't pull out of? I don't think just ordering a potential franchise QB is the final step for this team. There are obviously other holes than just QB.
Hey, let's make a pizza. I really want a pizza. Pizza sounds good. Let's see what's in the fridge... tomatoes, garlic, pepperoni, canadian bacon, mushrooms, pizza sauce, mozzarella cheese... yeah, I think we've got all the ingredients we need.

Wait... shoot, we're missing the pizza dough you say? Hmm, that's a problem.... OH SHIT THERE'S ONLY HALF A BAG OF CHEESE LEFT? FUUUUUUUUUUU WE'RE GOING TO NEED WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY MORE THAN THAT IF WE WANT TO MAKE PIZZA! SHIT SHIT SHIT I KNEW THIS WAS A BAD IDEA! QUICK QUICK GET TO THE STORE BEFORE THEY CLOSE AND BUY MORE FUCKING CHEESE DAMN IT!!! FUCK WE'RE SO SCREWED!

Bewbies
09-22-2011, 03:01 PM
There are a lot of Chiefs fans that want to be good, but are scared shitless of being great.

BossChief
09-22-2011, 03:02 PM
Hey, let's make a pizza. I really want a pizza. Pizza sounds good. Let's see what's in the fridge... tomatoes, garlic, pepperoni, canadian bacon, mushrooms, pizza sauce, mozzarella cheese... yeah, I think we've got all the ingredients we need.

Wait... shoot, we're missing the pizza dough you say? Hmm, that's a problem.... OH SHIT THERE'S ONLY HALF A BAG OF CHEESE LEFT? FUUUUUUUUUUU WE'RE GOING TO NEED WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY MORE THAN THAT IF WE WANT TO MAKE PIZZA! SHIT SHIT SHIT I KNEW THIS WAS A BAD IDEA! QUICK QUICK GET TO THE STORE BEFORE THEY CLOSE AND BUY MORE FUCKING CHEESE DAMN IT!!! FUCK WE'RE SO SCREWED!:clap::clap::clap:

We have a shiny new Lexus convertible and the motor blows due to factory defect and some of these guys here would want to start by replacing the tires, shocks and steering wheel.

Rooster
09-22-2011, 03:07 PM
You understand that rooting for or against the team doesn't make them win or lose games, right?

LMAOLMAO True but if you take your left sock off during field goal attempts Succop won't miss.

Crush
09-22-2011, 03:11 PM
What if its a nosedive they can't pull out of? I don't think just ordering a potential franchise QB is the final step for this team. There are obviously other holes than just QB.

Finding the franchise QB should be the team's first step. The team THEN builds the team around the franchise QB. The QB is the most important position on the field. How some of you, after 40 years of mediocrity, still cannot comprehend this just boggles my mind.