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Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 03:39 PM
Date/Time: 9/22/2011 from 9 pm – 11 pm ET

Moderator: Bret Baier

Participants: Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum

KILLER_CLOWN
09-22-2011, 03:42 PM
I'm here to declare Ron Paul the winner, keep this in mind while watching tonight!

:)

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 04:00 PM
I could attend this debate but you have to pay the FL R Party $125. Then you have to be screened and deemed acceptable. Remember this one is sponsored by Fox....probably followed up with politically selected folks for Luntz to use his focus group machine gitmo on afterwards to show how Perry won.

banyon
09-22-2011, 08:01 PM
Meanwhile The house is deciding whether or not to shutdown the country tonight before they go on vacation again.

banyon
09-22-2011, 08:19 PM
Hey that crazy New Mexico governor is back.

LEGALIZE IT DUDE!! :bong:

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 08:31 PM
Romney is killing it tonight so far.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 08:43 PM
Bachmann has been invisible tonight

banyon
09-22-2011, 08:50 PM
People are taking the Shine off of Perry pretty well now. The playbook is in.

Saul Good
09-22-2011, 08:52 PM
People are taking the Shine off of Perry pretty well now. The playbook is in.

I've said it from the start. He's Mike Huckabee all over again. Romney's biggest problem is that he's going to pass Perry too quickly. It's not good to be the front-runner this far out.

banyon
09-22-2011, 08:54 PM
Bi-national health insurance? Ouch.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 08:54 PM
Perry is getting his ass kicked on immigration.

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 08:54 PM
Perry sucks.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 08:56 PM
Bi-national health insurance? Ouch.

That was devastating

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 08:58 PM
Whew I cringed with that question asked towards Paul but he did a good job explaining it.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 09:00 PM
Perry sucks.

LMAO But he's easy on the eyes.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:01 PM
Whew I cringed with that question asked towards Paul but he did a good job explaining it.

Not really, he did a good job of bullshiting around what he really meant

Saul Good
09-22-2011, 09:01 PM
LMAO But he's easy on the eyes.

Paul isn't doing any better than Perry, but he's not even telegenic.

HonestChieffan
09-22-2011, 09:02 PM
Whew I cringed with that question asked towards Paul but he did a good job explaining it.

dataBase kookiness?

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 09:02 PM
Whew I cringed with that question asked towards Paul but he did a good job explaining it.

Yeah he did. I thought Gingrich saying he'd only "severely reduce the Dept of Ed" was weak as a conservative. Then I thought, Perry being beat-up on illegal immigrants getting college ed subsidies was right to say it was a state issue.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:03 PM
why are so many conservatives obsessed with Israel?

Saul Good
09-22-2011, 09:04 PM
why are so many conservatives obsessed with Israel?

Maybe because the Jewish vote is starting to abandon the Democrats in droves.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:07 PM
Maybe because the Jewish vote is starting to abandon the Democrats in droves.

They have been obsessed with them much longer than Obama has been POTUS.

HonestChieffan
09-22-2011, 09:10 PM
why are so many conservatives obsessed with Israel?

Because no one got obsessed with Germany in time? Because Israel is an ally? Because they have been openly threatened with annihilation by its neighbors? Because Obama has allowed an opening for Israel s enemies?

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:13 PM
Noticed Perry fumbles a question on Pakistan and the Taliban. He decribes the Pakistani country as Taliban. Ouch

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:17 PM
stay class Republicans by booing the gay soldier who is serving our country while their fat ass is sitting home eating donuts and fucking their sister

FD
09-22-2011, 09:18 PM
Can't say I saw that coming, Republican audience booing a soldier serving in Iraq??

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:19 PM
stay class Republicans by booing the gay soldier who is serving our country while their fat ass is sitting home eating donuts and fucking their sister

Agreed lol

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 09:21 PM
Not really, he did a good job of bullshiting around what he really meant

I see it went over your head. Do you dispute that money leaves the country when times get hard?

SNR
09-22-2011, 09:27 PM
Bachmann's going to nail Perry on this over and over and over again

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:27 PM
I see it went over your head. Do you dispute that money leaves the country when times get hard?

Nope

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:29 PM
Bachmann lost me before, when she called Cuba a state sponsor of terrorism and said, flights should not go between the two countries.

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:32 PM
So far, Romney is more than holding his own.

Taco John
09-22-2011, 09:36 PM
I think both Mitt and Perry are slaughtering each other up there. There have been some really embarassing moments.

Saul Good
09-22-2011, 09:38 PM
I think both Mitt and Perry are slaughtering each other up there. There have been some really embarassing moments.

Judging by reactions, Mitt isn't getting slaughtered.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:41 PM
I heard a lot of talk about Rick Perry being dumb now I see what they mean

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:42 PM
There's no doubt this has been a very bad night for Rick Perry.

HonestChieffan
09-22-2011, 09:42 PM
Judging by reactions, Mitt isn't getting slaughtered.

Mitts winnin this thing. Perry looked marginal, Paul is same old Ron host of the kooky hour, Michelles done. Cain actually did very well, Newt got marginalized with no face time.

Brock
09-22-2011, 09:43 PM
Because no one got obsessed with Germany in time? Because Israel is an ally? Because they have been openly threatened with annihilation by its neighbors? Because Obama has allowed an opening for Israel s enemies?

LMAO

banyon
09-22-2011, 09:43 PM
If people want more live debate, there's a fairly intense one on CSPAN 1 right now.

...

Yes, I watch CSPAN. :huh:

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 09:45 PM
Johnson is awesome.

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:46 PM
Romney gives a strong performance for himself, with a loud cry of patriotism and honesty.

In my opinion, Romney is looking strong.

SNR
09-22-2011, 09:46 PM
Gary Johnson just delivered the zinger of the night

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:51 PM
Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain are very smart.

Cain is coming off as the most relaxed -- I like him.

If these debates have winners, I think that person is Romney

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 09:53 PM
Romney won and it wasn't close

Dylan
09-22-2011, 09:55 PM
Romney won and it wasn't close

Then we're all set... Bring on Nov 2012 :D

Taco John
09-22-2011, 09:56 PM
Judging by reactions, Mitt isn't getting slaughtered.

Mitt Gore is a stiff.

HonestChieffan
09-22-2011, 09:59 PM
Ron Paul wins Northfield Mall straw poll.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 10:00 PM
Ron Paul wins Northfield Mall straw poll.

LMAO

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 10:01 PM
Then we're all set... Bring on Nov 2012 :D

I think Mitt wins

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:02 PM
Judging by reactions, Mitt isn't getting slaughtered.

I thought he argued and sounded like a Democrat.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:02 PM
I have to admit, I really LIKED what Huntsman said on FP.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:04 PM
Romney won and it wasn't close

Of course a Democrat would say that. But you're not a Republican let alone a conservative so your values are different. I think your take on this shows your democrat pov because Romney can appeal to one.

But I don't think a debate really determines the winner of a primary.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 10:07 PM
Of course a Democrat would say that. But you're not a Republican let alone a conservative so your values are different. I think your take on this shows your democrat pov because Romney can appeal to one.

But I don't think a debate really determines the winner of a primary.

I am not a democrat. Watching Luntz's focus group Romney won and it wasn't close. I guess they are all Democrat's too.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:07 PM
Can't say I saw that coming, Republican audience booing a soldier serving in Iraq??

Yeah, right, they were booing him because he was a soldier. They were booing a policy.
Discernment is needed.

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 10:07 PM
This focus group is awful.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:08 PM
I am not a democrat. Watching Luntz's focus group Romney won and it wasn't close. I guess they are all Democrat's too.

Your stands are on the left so it's still a fair take on your post. Luntz's focus group is hand selected for a reason. I said that earlier. Fox has been pushing Romney. Just listen to Krauthammer. They put those guys on afterwards to tell us what to think.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:09 PM
This focus group is awful.

They usually are. I read about how he selects too. What a fraud.

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 10:11 PM
Your stands are on the left so it's still a fair take on your post. Luntz's focus group is hand selected for a reason. I said that earlier. Fox has been pushing Romney. Just listen to Krauthammer. They put those guys on afterwards to tell us what to think.

I don't need anyone to tell me what to think because I just watched it all and MVHO is that Romney won.

I bet we will see in the polls later in the week that Romney surges ahead to a decent lead. I think Perry is done.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:11 PM
Because no one got obsessed with Germany in time? Because Israel is an ally? Because they have been openly threatened with annihilation by its neighbors? Because Obama has allowed an opening for Israel s enemies?

Kooks are stuck in the past.

Iran is not pre-war Germany with a huge military buildup and they have not threatened Israel with annihilation. That's Neo Conservative war propaganda.

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 10:14 PM
I don't need anyone to tell me what to think because I just watched it all and MVHO is that Romney won.

I bet we will see in the polls later in the week that Romney surges ahead to a decent lead. I think Perry is done.

I hope you're right. He won't win Iowa and the south will never vote for a Mormon.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:14 PM
I don't need anyone to tell me what to think because I just watched it all and MVHO is that Romney won.
I know that's your opinion and again, I say that reflects your values which are to the left of conservatives. Romney is not a conservative.

I was not implying that you needed a focus group or pundits to tell you what to think but they try to do that afterwards with their audience.

I bet we will see in the polls later in the week that Romney surges ahead to a decent lead. I think Perry is done.

I don't think Perry is done—not with conservatives. Maybe with liberals or moderates.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:15 PM
I hope you're right. He won't win Iowa and the south will never vote for a Mormon.

I doubt he'd really get the conservative base.

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 10:17 PM
And fuck Mitt Romney hitting Perry on SS. What's his plan? It's going to be broke in 20 years and nobody will touch it.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:18 PM
And **** Mitt Romney hitting Perry on SS. What's his plan? It's going to be broke in 20 years and nobody will touch it.

Plus a socialist can't label a fellow socialist a socialist. :D

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 10:20 PM
I know that's your opinion and again, I say that reflects your values which are to the left of conservatives. Romney is not a conservative.

I was not implying that you needed a focus group or pundits to tell you what to think but they try to do that afterwards with their audience.



I don't think Perry is done—not with conservatives. Maybe with liberals or moderates.

I don't get why conservatives would support Perry with his very liberal stances on immigration

banyon
09-22-2011, 10:22 PM
Final debate on CR to fund government until November live right now.

Even if it passes, Senate said to block it.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:25 PM
I don't get why conservatives would support Perry with his very liberal stances on immigration

I don't get why conservatives would support a liberal like Mitt Romney either. He defended SS like a Democrat and/or a liberal and Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare despite what he claims about using an EO for state waivers. I mean is that even Constitutional?

As to Perry on immigration, I don't agree with his subsidizing college education for illegals which is something Huckabee also did, but it is a state issue. Wasn't there a question about the Tenth Amendment that got a LOT of cheering?

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 10:26 PM
Bachmann is pretty up some pretty interesting things about Perry.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:30 PM
Bachmann is pretty up some pretty interesting things about Perry.

True, but from a marketing pov I think Perry looks more presidential than a petite lady. I think she holds her position well when she speaks though. I thought she was spot on when she said conservatives are always told they have to settle. But both are in that Dispensationalist camp on an Israel First FP regarding Iran.

HonestChieffan
09-22-2011, 10:35 PM
Final debate on CR to fund government until November live right now.

Even if it passes, Senate said to block it.

Senate can be counted on

dirk digler
09-22-2011, 10:41 PM
I don't get why conservatives would support a liberal like Mitt Romney either. He defended SS like a Democrat and/or a liberal and Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare despite what he claims about using an EO for state waivers. I mean is that even Constitutional?

As to Perry on immigration, I don't agree with his subsidizing college education for illegals which is something Huckabee also did, but it is a state issue. Wasn't there a question about the Tenth Amendment that got a LOT of cheering?

They probably aren't supporting him. I would say a lot of his support comes from the silent moderates in the Republican party.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:42 PM
The most disgusting part of the debate was seeing some pick Gingrich for VP—the man who twisted the arms of junior Freshman back in the 90's to vote the Clinton's tax increase.

BucEyedPea
09-22-2011, 10:43 PM
They probably aren't supporting him. I would say a lot of his support comes from the silent moderates in the Republican party.

It actually comes from corporate money and lobbyists. His support is tepid and not that strong among grassroots conservatives. That is the base. Remember how long Rude-y was the top guy until the primary election as upon us? Fox was pimping him too.
Although, to be honest, I think Perry has a quote a bit of corporate or Establishment support too.

ROYC75
09-22-2011, 11:33 PM
This focus group is awful.

It was .

patteeu
09-23-2011, 08:08 AM
Kooks are stuck in the past.

You're right. In the past, it would have been perfectly rational to pull our troops home and ignore the rest of the world. The oceans would have been all the protection we needed and we could have counted on the natural resources within our own borders to supply our energy and raw materials. Kooks don't understand that we have global interests, not the least of which is a dependency on foreign oil, now.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-23-2011, 08:31 AM
You're right. In the past, it would have been perfectly rational to pull our troops home and ignore the rest of the world. The oceans would have been all the protection we needed and we could have counted on the natural resources within our own borders to supply our energy and raw materials. Kooks don't understand that we have global interests, not the least of which is a dependency on foreign oil, now.

We have plenty of oil here, we don't need to be invading other countries for it.

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 09:09 AM
We have plenty of oil here, we don't need to be invading other countries for it.

Plus he mischaracterizes our position when he falsely alleges that we'd ignore the world when we advocate trade and dialogue with the world. He doesn't understand that social engineering of the world, his side, is a far cry from getting involved in their conflicts internal or otherwise. He doesn't understand that invading the oil rich countries sends prices soaring as it threatens resources more than makes them plentiful and available. Kooky! This is what you call logic being held in suspended animation because of wanting revenge on an entire region because of what a few men in a cave did. But then an angry man's emotions color things so the truth can't be seen—let alone tell it.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 09:21 AM
We have plenty of oil here, we don't need to be invading other countries for it.

No we don't. Not after you account for cost of production. And we don't invade countries for it in any direct sense.

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 09:43 AM
La-La-La-La-La-La-La-La

SNR
09-23-2011, 11:35 AM
You're right. In the past, it would have been perfectly rational to pull our troops home and ignore the rest of the world. The oceans would have been all the protection we needed and we could have counted on the natural resources within our own borders to supply our energy and raw materials. Kooks don't understand that we have global interests, not the least of which is a dependency on foreign oil, now.You're exactly right. And it's totally moral to enforce our global presence by killing foreigners.

Cave Johnson
09-23-2011, 11:47 AM
Yea, dead uninsured. Boo, gay soldiers.

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patteeu
09-23-2011, 11:59 AM
You're exactly right. And it's totally moral to enforce our global presence by killing foreigners.

When those foreigners are a threat to you, it sure is.

dmahurin
09-23-2011, 12:01 PM
No we don't. Not after you account for cost of production. And we don't invade countries for it in any direct sense.

http://itmakessenseblog.com/2011/03/10/the-u-s-has-the-worlds-largest-untapped-oil-reserve/

We have 3 times the oil of all the OPEC nations combined, just sitting untapped. And companies creating jobs to drill and get the oil and build pipelines and run refineries would be to large a production cost how?

SNR
09-23-2011, 12:02 PM
When those foreigners are a threat to you, it sure is.How many innocent civilians do you think are killed for every bad guy we take down?

patteeu
09-23-2011, 12:30 PM
http://itmakessenseblog.com/2011/03/10/the-u-s-has-the-worlds-largest-untapped-oil-reserve/

We have 3 times the oil of all the OPEC nations combined, just sitting untapped. And companies creating jobs to drill and get the oil and build pipelines and run refineries would be to large a production cost how?

I don't know how much we can rely on "itmakessenseblog.com", but even if we suspend disbelief and assume we have more in the ground beneath our feet than can be found in the middle east, when you account for the cost of production, we don't have more useable oil. Comparatively speaking, our oil wells are prospective, theirs are confirmed and producing. Our oil is costly to find and extract, theirs is cheap.

Here's a list of countries by proven reserves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves):

1 Saudi Arabia 264,600,000,000 barrels
2 Canada 175,200,000,000
3 Iran 137,600,000,000
4 Iraq 115,000,000,000
5 Kuwait 104,000,000,000
6 United Arab Emirates 97,800,000,000
7 Venezuela 97,770,000,000
8 Russia 74,200,000,000
9 Libya 47,000,000,000
10 Nigeria 37,500,000,000
11 Kazakhstan 30,000,000,000
12 Qatar 25,410,000,000
13 China 20,350,000,000
14 United States 19,120,000,000
15 Azerbaijan 14,000,000,000
16 Angola 13,500,000,000
17 Brazil 13,200,000,000
18 Mexico 12,420,000,000
19 Algeria 12,200,000,000
20 Sudan 6,800,000,000

patteeu
09-23-2011, 12:31 PM
How many innocent civilians do you think are killed for every bad guy we take down?

How many innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice to avoid those unfortunate cases of collateral damage?

SNR
09-23-2011, 12:46 PM
How many innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice to avoid those unfortunate cases of collateral damage?I'm not the one sending American troops overseas to get killed. Don't look at me, honey

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 12:52 PM
...over the debate. Oops! I mean the Romney-Perry show!

Ladies & Gentlemen I bring you The Weekly Standard's (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/special-editorial-yikes_594095.html) take on the debate.

THE WEEKLY STANDARD’s official reaction to last night’s Republican presidential debate: Yikes.

Reading the reactions of thoughtful commentators after the stage emptied, talking with conservative policy types and GOP political operatives later last evening and this morning, we know we’re not alone. Most won’t express publicly just how horrified—or at least how demoralized—they are. After all, they still want to beat Obama—as do we. And they want to get along with the possible nominee and the other candidates and their supporters. They don’t want to rock the boat too much. But maybe the GOP presidential boat needs rocking.

The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I'm watching my first GOP debate...and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!” As the evening went on, the craziness receded, and the demoralized comments we received stressed the mediocrity of the field rather than its wackiness. As one more experienced, and therefore more jaded, observer wrote: “I just thought maybe it’s always this bad...they’re only marginally worse than McCain and Bush.”


LMAO

patteeu
09-23-2011, 12:54 PM
I'm not the one sending American troops overseas to get killed. Don't look at me, honey

That makes no sense and has nothing to do with my question. I'll rephrase the question to help you understand. How many innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice by not being willing to send American troops overseas and otherwise engage the foreigners who would kill them?

SNR
09-23-2011, 02:06 PM
That makes no sense and has nothing to do with my question. I'll rephrase the question to help you understand. How many innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice by not being willing to send American troops overseas and otherwise engage the foreigners who would kill them?Zero. Why do you ask?

I have a question for you: do you not realize how many American troops get killed by our foreign policy of invading countries in the Middle East? They aren't innocent Americans? Are we careful enough to make sure that only the shitty American troops are the ones who get killed?

patteeu
09-23-2011, 02:46 PM
Zero. Why do you ask?

What do you do if your choice is between allowing innocent Americans to die or taking military action against a foreign enemy knowing that there might be some innocent foreigners who get caught in the crossfire? Let's make it simple. In this hypothetical, either (a) one innocent American dies or (b) you attack and kill one foreign enemy along with one foreign innocent who was in the wrong place at the right time. Would you choose (a) or (b)? I'd choose (b).

I have a question for you: do you not realize how many American troops get killed by our foreign policy of invading countries in the Middle East? They aren't innocent Americans? Are we careful enough to make sure that only the shitty American troops are the ones who get killed?

American troops volunteer to risk their lives for the benefit of our country. I think we should all be grateful to them for that.

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 02:49 PM
Boy, pat you sure do let the system play you. The Establishment really has you coming and going with fear.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 02:52 PM
Boy, pat you sure do let the system play you. The Establishment really has you coming and going with fear.

Which do you choose? (a) or (b)?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-23-2011, 02:53 PM
Boy, pat you sure do let the system play you. The Establishment really has you coming and going with fear.

Hey the threat is real, my wife came out of the bathroom wearing a towel on her head. I jumped to the other side of the bed clenching my m-16 before i realized it was only a drill! I skeered. LMAO

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 03:25 PM
Hey the threat is real, my wife came out of the bathroom wearing a towel on her head. I jumped to the other side of the bed clenching my m-16 before i realized it was only a drill! I skeered. LMAO

Yep, kooky. And he calls the sane and enlightened folks kooks. There's a lot of cultural lag to overcome when fighting the system of a world gone mad.

BigChiefFan
09-23-2011, 03:54 PM
Hey the threat is real, my wife came out of the bathroom wearing a towel on her head. I jumped to the other side of the bed clenching my m-16 before i realized it was only a drill! I skeered. LMAO

That was classic. Funny stuff, man.

SNR
09-23-2011, 05:51 PM
What do you do if your choice is between allowing innocent Americans to die or taking military action against a foreign enemy knowing that there might be some innocent foreigners who get caught in the crossfire? Let's make it simple. In this hypothetical, either (a) one innocent American dies or (b) you attack and kill one foreign enemy along with one foreign innocent who was in the wrong place at the right time. Would you choose (a) or (b)? I'd choose (b).
Again with the logical inconsistency. Your scenario has nothing to do with America's current idiotic and madman-like foreign policy.

But I'll answer your question or else you won't shut up about it. Provided I had a gun to my head, I choose option B. In either case an innocent life is being taken, but in the second scenario, at least one of the bad guys is being taken out.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 06:56 PM
Again with the logical inconsistency. Your scenario has nothing to do with America's current idiotic and madman-like foreign policy.

But I'll answer your question or else you won't shut up about it. Provided I had a gun to my head, I choose option B. In either case an innocent life is being taken, but in the second scenario, at least one of the bad guys is being taken out.

So we don't really disagree on anything except your pollyannish, fairy tale view of the world.

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 07:17 PM
What do you call being skeer'd of the world because there's allegedly evil everywhere? Ya' know so you have to project force and might as a routine, instead of when warranted.

CoMoChief
09-23-2011, 07:48 PM
Which do you choose? (a) or (b)?

Why does there need to be either (a) or (b)?

Why not just bring home the troops and get out of all of these wars?

That way....it's guaranteed that no one gets killed from any kind of military action. If civilians get killed over there because of rogue bombers, terrorists, etc.....well then tough shit, that's their problem and shouldn't be ours.

We have the best national security, military, and intercontinental weapons defense systems, etc......no one is going to attack us...and if they decide to, we'll be waiting for them to fuck their world up.

You should never use military force unless needed......the military is used to protect the country, not to storm other countries in attempt to control their resources and overthrow foreign leaders so we can put in place our own puppets so we can help control their economies and rip other countries off.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 08:23 PM
It has to be (a) or (b) because those are the only options in the hypothetical. I can understand why you want to believe it doesn't have to be that way. It's precious to witness your innocent naiveté.

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 08:28 PM
Attack, attack, attack....it's the NeoCon way.

CoMoChief
09-23-2011, 08:30 PM
It has to be (a) or (b) because those are the only options in the hypothetical. I can understand why you want to believe it doesn't have to be that way. It's precious to witness your innocent naiveté.

Honest question....

why do you think America needs to be over there in the first place? what advantages does the USA have in being over there?

I bet you believe in the 9/11 commission report too.

patteeu
09-24-2011, 11:08 AM
Honest question....

why do you think America needs to be over there in the first place? what advantages does the USA have in being over there?

I bet you believe in the 9/11 commission report too.

America is in Afghanistan primarily to be able to put continued pressure on the al Qaeada network and it's allies. We're in Iraq in order to finish what we started by giving their new government as good a chance of survival as possible.

I believe that 19 islamists crashed 4 planes that day and it resulted in a hole in the side of the Pentagon and 3 collapsed buildings in NYC.

CoMoChief
09-24-2011, 12:03 PM
America is in Afghanistan primarily to be able to put continued pressure on the al Qaeada network and it's allies. We're in Iraq in order to finish what we started by giving their new government as good a chance of survival as possible.

I believe that 19 islamists crashed 4 planes that day and it resulted in a hole in the side of the Pentagon and 3 collapsed buildings in NYC.
It's obvious that you're completely blind on the fact that those wars on "terror" are wars that aren't supposed to be won. No one is going to get attacked by Al-Qaeda in this country unless the govt allows them to.

THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON THESE WARS.

Don't you liberal idiots understand that?

patteeu
09-24-2011, 01:31 PM
It's obvious that you're completely blind on the fact that those wars on "terror" are wars that aren't supposed to be won. No one is going to get attacked by Al-Qaeda in this country unless the govt allows them to.

THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON THESE WARS.

Don't you liberal idiots understand that?

You've taken too many hard drugs.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-24-2011, 01:44 PM
You've taken too many hard drugs.

Sometimes it's better than the blue pill though.

BucEyedPea
09-24-2011, 01:51 PM
Sometimes it's better than the blue pill though.

Pat prefers to drink Jonestown Kool-Aid though.

SNR
09-24-2011, 02:33 PM
America is in Afghanistan primarily to be able to put continued pressure on the al Qaeada network and it's allies. We're in Iraq in order to finish what we started by giving their new government as good a chance of survival as possible.

I believe that 19 islamists crashed 4 planes that day and it resulted in a hole in the side of the Pentagon and 3 collapsed buildings in NYC.Yeah. Ten fucking years ago.

I believe that Germany once killed 6 million Jews and created billions of (1940 dollars) of damage across an entire continent. We must protect ourselves against the German threat!

go bowe
09-24-2011, 02:40 PM
Yeah. Ten fucking years ago.

I believe that Germany once killed 6 million Jews and created billions of (1940 dollars) of damage across an entire continent. We must protect ourselves against the German threat!

watch out for those native americans too...

i heard they are pursuing a nuclear weapons program...

patteeu
09-24-2011, 02:48 PM
Yeah. Ten ****ing years ago.

I believe that Germany once killed 6 million Jews and created billions of (1940 dollars) of damage across an entire continent. We must protect ourselves against the German threat!

Are you really worried about Germany?

The actual threats we face are determined by something other than the time since the last attack. There is a reality even if you don't want to live in it. I'm not really concerned about a big attack on my suburb of Kansas City, or even much about an attack on American soil in the near future, but I recognize that the Islamist problem hasn't gone away and that our national well-being depends on more than just what happens within our territorial boundaries.

BucEyedPea
09-24-2011, 02:58 PM
LMAO at being in Afghanistan for AQ when it's pretty much gone from there.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-24-2011, 03:32 PM
LMAO at being in Afghanistan for AQ when it's pretty much gone from there.

AQ were the bad guys a few years ago, now we fund the AQ rebels out in the open.

SNR
09-24-2011, 03:35 PM
AQ were the bad guys a few years ago, now we fund the AQ rebels out in the open.So 30 years from now patteeu will be on the "Invade Libya!" train?

Fantastic.

patteeu
09-24-2011, 05:34 PM
LMAO at being in Afghanistan for AQ when it's pretty much gone from there.

I didn't say AQ was in Afghanistan. I said we are in Afghanistan.

BucEyedPea
09-24-2011, 05:44 PM
America is in Afghanistan primarily to be able to put continued pressure on the al Qaeada network and it's allies. ~ patteeu

Ahem

patteeu
09-24-2011, 05:56 PM
Ahem

More fail from the Fail Queen.

Saul Good
09-25-2011, 10:45 AM
Yeah. Ten fucking years ago.

I believe that Germany once killed 6 million Jews and created billions of (1940 dollars) of damage across an entire continent. We must protect ourselves against the German threat!

And what did we do in the aftermath of WWII that led to Germany becoming an ally? Did we just pull out and let them deal with the aftermath themselves?

Germany and Japan are two of our strongest allies. Why are you advocating handling the aftermath of the war in the ME in the exact opposite way we handled Germany and Japan while using Germany as an example of a country that is no threat to the US?

SNR
09-25-2011, 10:49 AM
And what did we do in the aftermath of WWII that led to Germany becoming an ally? Did we just pull out and let them deal with the aftermath themselves?

Germany and Japan are two of our strongest allies. Why are you advocating handling the aftermath of the war in the ME in the exact opposite way we handled Germany and Japan while using Germany as an example of a country that is no threat to the US?So why did it take less time (7 years) to re-build fucking Japan than it's taken to re-build Afghanistan or Iraq? Because of turrists? I don't believe that for a second.

The powers that be obviously WANT us to be there. Did you ever ask yourself why?

Dave Lane
09-25-2011, 10:58 AM
why are so many conservatives obsessed with Israel?

Why are so many conservatives obsessed with shutting down the dept of education?

Dave Lane
09-25-2011, 11:00 AM
So why did it take less time (7 years) to re-build ****ing Japan than it's taken to re-build Afghanistan or Iraq? Because of turrists? I don't believe that for a second.

The powers that be obviously WANT us to be there. Did you ever ask yourself why?

We are still in Japan. They don't even have an army, we are their proxy army. It's why the rest of their economy is strong no, defense spending to sap it.

Saul Good
09-25-2011, 11:02 AM
So why did it take less time (7 years) to re-build fucking Japan than it's taken to re-build Afghanistan or Iraq? Because of turrists? I don't believe that for a second.

The powers that be obviously WANT us to be there. Did you ever ask yourself why?

When did we remove our troops from Japan?

SNR
09-25-2011, 11:20 AM
When did we remove our troops from Japan?Japan became an independent nation in 1952, and from that point on our troop levels in Japan closely resemble what they are today.

Are you going to compare our military bases in Japan to Iraq and Afghanistan? Ha. I WISH we had as many troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as we do in Japan.

So pretty much our troops are continuing to hang out in those two volatile countries just so we can put "pressure" on Iran. Is that it?

BucEyedPea
09-25-2011, 01:03 PM
We are still in Japan. They don't even have an army, we are their proxy army. It's why the rest of their economy is strong no, defense spending to sap it.

Japan's economy is strong? The 90's has been called their Lost Decades due to its decline. They've never really recovered fully either. Their economy isn't anything what it was in the 80's. Their economy is not strong. Worse thing is, we're copying what they did that lead to their decline.

BucEyedPea
09-25-2011, 01:06 PM
Why are so many conservatives obsessed with shutting down the dept of education?

Because there's NO authorization for it in the U.S. Constitution and the more involvement the Feds have in it, the worse education gets. It hasn't reformed shit. It's where all the experimental crap gets put into the local schools using kids as guinea pigs. Last SATs were the worst ev'r! It has, however, nationalized education and wants to do more of that. Obama wants a national curriculum but knows it's tough to implement because we have have federalism in this country. Nationalizing education is the hallmark of growing fascism and socialism.