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HonestChieffan
09-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Holder’s hell week
More Fast & Furious fallout


Michael A. Walsh


The stench from Washington is getting stronger. Rep. Darrell Issa has called for a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of the festering mess known as Operation Fast and Furious.

Hatched somewhere in the bowels of the Justice Department, that misbegotten scheme had the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives deliberately allowing high-powered guns to “walk” from Arizona and elsewhere into Mexico: Our agents turned a blind eye toward the straw purchasers who were funneling the weapons to the drug cartels.

The (dumb) idea was to trace cross-border arms trafficking, and so prove the (false) claim that 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexican drug war zones originate in the US. (The real figure is closer to 17 percent.) But, as Issa’s Oversight and Government Reform committee continues its investigation, that pretension has evaporated -- and a major international scandal has been born.



Facing the prospect of a special prosecutor: A key congressman is citing a “coverup” at AG Eric Holder’s Justice Department.

Marisela Morales, the Mexican attorney general, estimates that at least 200 Mexicans have been killed with Fast and Furious weapons -- among them, a powerful Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle that took down a federal helicopter. Morales, who calls the program a “betrayal” of her country, told the Los Angeles Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports, and that US officials still haven’t briefed their Mexican counterparts on it.

She shouldn’t feel lonely: The administration has been notably unforthcoming to everybody on this one. Eric Holder’s Justice has engaged in a rearguard battle against Issa’s committee -- turning over subpoenaed documents only slowly and heavily redacted, making witnesses unavailable and transferring or retiring implicated officials such as former ATF head Kenneth Melson. Issa has publicly accused Holder & Co. of “gaming” congressional investigators.

Yet the drip, drip, drip of revelations continues. A third “Fast and Furious” gun has now been linked to the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, whose death in Arizona last December at the hands of Mexican bandits started to crack the scandal open.
In addition to the ATF and the FBI, other agencies already implicated include the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the IRS. Other tidbits suggest involvement by higher-ups at the Department of Homeland Security and the White House itself.

In short, Issa is right to call for an outside special prosecutor -- someone independent of the usual Justice Department chain of command and with broad investigative powers.
“There is an ongoing coverup of a pattern of wrongdoing,” Issa noted earlier this week. “Even though I have subpoena ability, I don’t have the ability to lock people up for contempt until they fess up and give us what we want.”

Locking people up will probably have to happen. For the evidence strongly suggests that Fast and Furious was hatched in the Justice Department in an attempt to paint law-abiding American gun dealers and gun owners as renegades, to give the administration an excuse to crack down.

In other words, it was a deliberate provocation, undertaken without a thought for how it might affect our relations with Mexico -- or how many people might die.
Issa says he hopes his committee will wrap up its investigation by the end of year, opening the way for a special prosecutor. In any event, he’s got his hands full: His committee is just now digging into a new mess involving the company LightSquared, which allegedly traded big-money donations to the Democratic Party for administration pressure on federal regulators.

At least he doesn’t have to probe Solyndra -- the “green” solar-panel maker with strong ties to the White House that recently went belly up, taking half a billion in taxpayer dollars with it, and is now under investigation by the FBI. Two top Solyndra moguls appear before the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Friday -- and plan to take the Fifth.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/holder_hell_week_J7e9vmxyFCEMJDK47RyvCK#ixzz1Ynq2NMdf

BigChiefFan
09-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Treason. They ARMED the ENEMY of their own proclaimed WAR on drugs.

orange
09-23-2011, 05:46 PM
For the evidence strongly suggests that Fast and Furious was hatched in the Justice Department in an attempt to paint law-abiding American gun dealers and gun owners as renegades, to give the administration an excuse to crack down.

... And then Interpol agents - newly armed with diplomatic immunity - will start grabbing guns and hauling their owners off to FEMA internment camps.

Yup! http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08qn5Kp9gw3sE/50x50.jpg

BucEyedPea
09-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Maybe that satellite will fall on DC?

RedNeckRaider
09-24-2011, 04:04 PM
... And then Interpol agents - newly armed with diplomatic immunity - will start grabbing guns and hauling their owners off to FEMA internment camps.

Yup! http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08qn5Kp9gw3sE/50x50.jpg

Orange if this was tied to the right you would be pounding it with a 10 pound hammer~

orange
09-24-2011, 04:42 PM
Orange if this was tied to the right you would be pounding it with a 10 pound hammer~

No. I don't think so. I would be pissed off about the bungling, as I am anyway, but I don't believe I would see a conspiracy to fascisize the country.

But since you know the real orange and I don't, show me where I claimed Bush (1) destroyed the World Trade Center to start a private war; or (2) deliberately drowned New Orleans to kill all the blacks; or, whatever...

BigChiefFan
09-26-2011, 12:00 AM
This story needs to stay in the headlines. This is on Obama's watch and a corrupt event. I want charges brought against them.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2011, 02:58 PM
Fast And Furious....the water gets deeper and this wont just go away...


U.S. Government Used Taxpayer Funds to Buy, Sell Weapons During 'Fast and Furious,' Documents Show
By William Lajeunesse
Published September 26, 2011



Not only did U.S. officials approve, allow and assist in the sale of more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa cartel -- the federal government used taxpayer money to buy semi-automatic weapons, sold them to criminals and then watched as the guns disappeared.

This disclosure, revealed in documents obtained by Fox News, could undermine the Department of Justice's previous defense that Operation Fast and Furious was a "botched" operation where agents simply "lost track" of weapons as they were transferred from one illegal buyer to another. Instead, it heightens the culpability of the federal government as Mexico, according to sources, has opened two criminal investigations into the operation that flooded their country with illegal weapons.

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Documents Detail ATF Involvement in 'Fast and Furious'
The following documents detail the role the ATF played in buying and selling weapons as part of its controversial "Fast and Furious" operation.

Operation Fast and Furious began in October 2009. In it, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives encouraged gun stores to sell weapons to an arms smuggling gang, then watched as the guns crossed the border and were used in crimes. Each month, the agency allowed hundreds of guns to go South, despite opposition from some agents.

All told, the gang spent more than $1.25 million for the illegal guns.
In June 2010, however, the ATF dramatically upped the ante, making the U.S. government the actual "seller" of guns.

According to documents obtained by Fox News, Agent John Dodson was ordered to buy six semi-automatic Draco pistols -- two of those were purchased at the Lone Wolf gun store in Peoria, Ariz. An unusual sale, Dodson was sent to the store with a letter of approval from David Voth, an ATF group supervisor.

Dodson then sold the weapons to known illegal buyers, while fellow agents watched from their cars nearby.

This was not a "buy-bust" or a sting operation, where police sell to a buyer and then arrest them immediately afterward. In this case, agents were "ordered" to let the sale go through and follow the weapons to a stash house.

According to sources directly involved in the case, Dodson felt strongly that the weapons should not be abandoned and the stash house should remain under 24-hour surveillance. However, Voth disagreed and ordered the surveillance team to return to the office. Dodson refused, and for six days in the desert heat kept the house under watch, defying direct orders from Voth.

A week later, a second vehicle showed up to transfer the weapons. Dodson called for an interdiction team to move in, make the arrest and seize the weapons. Voth refused and the guns disappeared with no surveillance.

According to a story posted Sunday on a website dedicated to covering Fast and Furious, Voth gave Dodson the assignment to "dirty him up," since Dodson had become the most vocal critic of the operation.

"I think Dodson demanded the letter from Voth to cover both himself and the FFL (Federal Firearm Licensee). He didn't want to be hung out to dry by Voth," a source told the website "Sipsey Street Irregulars."

Subsequent to this undercover operation, sources told Sipsey, "Dodson just about came apart all over them (his supervisors). In a 'screaming match' that was heard throughout the Phoenix office by many employees, Dodson yelled at Voth and Assistant Special Agent in Charge George Gillett, 'Why not just go direct and empty out the (ATF) arms room?" (to the cartels), or words to that effect.'

After the confrontation, ATF managers transferred Dodson to a more menial job. Months later, after the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, Dodson blew the whistle and went public about the federal government's gunrunning operation.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/26/us-government-bought-and-sold-weapons-during-fast-and-furious-documents-show/#ixzz1Z5f8hkeg

RedNeckRaider
09-26-2011, 04:01 PM
No. I don't think so. I would be pissed off about the bungling, as I am anyway, but I don't believe I would see a conspiracy to fascisize the country.

But since you know the real orange and I don't, show me where I claimed Bush (1) destroyed the World Trade Center to start a private war; or (2) deliberately drowned New Orleans to kill all the blacks; or, whatever...

No I dont know the real orange although the orange I do know is a toe the line lefty~

orange
09-26-2011, 04:06 PM
No I dont know the real orange although the orange I do know is a toe the line lefty~

So when HCF (or you?) sees a conspiracy to use this operation as a means to grab Americans guns, is that toe-the-line righty~ness or bat-shit craziness?

Reminder: "For the evidence strongly suggests that Fast and Furious was hatched in the Justice Department in an attempt to paint law-abiding American gun dealers and gun owners as renegades, to give the administration an excuse to crack down.

In other words, it was a deliberate provocation, undertaken without a thought for how it might affect our relations with Mexico -- or how many people might die."

HonestChieffan
09-26-2011, 05:29 PM
So when HCF (or you?) sees a conspiracy to use this operation as a means to grab Americans guns, is that toe-the-line righty~ness or bat-shit craziness?

Reminder: "For the evidence strongly suggests that Fast and Furious was hatched in the Justice Department in an attempt to paint law-abiding American gun dealers and gun owners as renegades, to give the administration an excuse to crack down.

In other words, it was a deliberate provocation, undertaken without a thought for how it might affect our relations with Mexico -- or how many people might die."


A conspiracy to what? Is that your understanding that this is some crazy conspiracy issue? There are some who probably see that but the issue is far wider than some crazy theory. I know you would love it to be so but that will not be the end game in this. All you can hope is they can head it off before it gets to Holder and on into the White House. I think its too late for that.

orange
09-26-2011, 05:33 PM
A conspiracy to what? Is that your understanding that this is some crazy conspiracy issue? There are some who probably see that but the issue is far wider than some crazy theory.

I see you've made ANOTHER post you never read! LMAO

Where do you think I'm quoting from?

HonestChieffan
09-26-2011, 05:35 PM
I see you've made ANOTHER post you never read! LMAO

Where do you think I'm quoting from?

Is this the only news Item you have read? Please tell me you are better informed than that. Or that you have greater understanding of F and F than you are showing us.

ROYC75
09-26-2011, 05:40 PM
This story needs to stay in the headlines. This is on Obama's watch and a corrupt event. I want charges brought against them.

Just your Chicago style politics at it's finest!