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KILLER_CLOWN
09-24-2011, 02:52 PM
Remember how Obama recently waived new ozone regulations at the EPA because they were too costly? Well, it seems that the Obama administration would rather make people with Asthma cough up money than let them make a surely inconsequential contribution to depleting the ozone layer:

Asthma patients who rely on over-the-counter inhalers will need to switch to prescription-only alternatives as part of the federal government's latest attempt to protect the Earth's atmosphere.

The Food and Drug Administration said Thursday patients who use the epinephrine inhalers to treat mild asthma will need to switch by Dec. 31 to other types that do not contain chlorofluorocarbons, an aerosol substance once found in a variety of spray products.

The action is part of an agreement signed by the U.S. and other nations to stop using substances that deplete the ozone layer, a region in the atmosphere that helps block harmful ultraviolet rays from the Sun.

But the switch to a greener inhaler will cost consumers more. Epinephrine inhalers are available via online retailers for around $20, whereas the alternatives, which contain the drug albuterol, range from $30 to $60.


The Atlantic's Megan McArdle, an asthma sufferer, noted a while back that when consumers are forced to use environmentally friendly products they are almost always worse:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/04/why-dont-we-have-more-green-products/7283/

Er, industry also knew how to make low-flow toilets, which is why every toilet in my recently renovated rental house clogs at least once a week. They knew how to make more energy efficient dryers, which is why even on high, I have to run every load through the dryer in said house twice. And they knew how to make inexpensive compact flourescent bulbs, which is why my head hurts from the glare emitting from my bedroom lamp. They also knew how to make asthma inhalers without CFCs, which is why I am hoarding old albuterol inhalers that, unlike the new ones, a) significantly improve my breathing and b) do not make me gag. Etc.

Well, tough cookies asthma sufferers! You should have written bigger checks to the Democratic party while you had the chance.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-administration-ban-asthma-inhalers-over-environmental-concerns_594113.html

Thanks for helping the little guy Obastard, I use an otc inhaler.

suzzer99
09-24-2011, 03:24 PM
This has been in the works since 2008 when the FDA finalized plans for phasing them out. Gee, who was president then?

Lol if you think a republican president woudn't have done the same thing, or that if one is elected in 2012 they will do anything to change it.

Something bad! Obama! LOUD NOISES!

HonestChieffan
09-24-2011, 03:41 PM
This has been in the works since 2008 when the FDA finalized plans for phasing them out. Gee, who was president then?

Lol if you think a republican president woudn't have done the same thing, or that if one is elected in 2012 they will do anything to change it.

Something bad! Obama! LOUD NOISES!

You are right. But, it begs the question, do you support the move? Do you support that the new ones that are eco-friendly all must be prescription and the OTC ones are gone?

blaise
09-24-2011, 04:30 PM
How much could some inhalers affect the environment? The effect would be tiny, wouldn't it?

Brock
09-24-2011, 04:34 PM
You are right. But, it begs the question, do you support the move? Do you support that the new ones that are eco-friendly all must be prescription and the OTC ones are gone?

What difference does that make?

HonestChieffan
09-24-2011, 04:36 PM
How much could some inhalers affect the environment? The effect would be tiny, wouldn't it?

Have to add in the vast amount of CO2 that results from unclogged breathing. Global warming is reduced if people are all clogged up. No wait. They would ban exhalers if that was right.

HonestChieffan
09-24-2011, 04:38 PM
What difference does that make?

Well, they banned OTC inhalers. Generally they are cheaper cause you don't have to go see a doc and prove you cannot breath. The new ones will all be prescription only so when Bubba needs an inhaler he cant go to WalMarts and get it until he gets a office visit/bill and a script.

That would be a difference would it not?

Brock
09-24-2011, 04:50 PM
Well, they banned OTC inhalers. Generally they are cheaper cause you don't have to go see a doc and prove you cannot breath. The new ones will all be prescription only so when Bubba needs an inhaler he cant go to WalMarts and get it until he gets a office visit/bill and a script.

That would be a difference would it not?

No, what difference does it make whether he supports the move or not? That was the question you asked.

orange
09-24-2011, 07:19 PM
The company that makes Primatene Mist, Armstrong Pharmaceuticals, said in July that it was "actively finalizing its internal development" of an HFA-propelled epinephrine product.

But Armstrong acknowledged that "there will likely be a time period between December 31, 2011, and the date of FDA approval" for the new version. The company has not specified a timeline for the marketing application.

The FDA noted that its rule on CFC epinephrine inhalers bans their sale and manufacture after this year, but patients who stock up before the deadline may continue to use the products safely until the stamped expiration date.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/OTC/28673


Gosh, sounds like the Invisible Hand at work. What will you bitch about then?

HonestChieffan
09-24-2011, 07:22 PM
No, what difference does it make whether he supports the move or not? That was the question you asked.

Oh. Sorry. I was asking for more information. Thats all. Seems like bad stuff, regardless of what party is involved should be seen as bad stuff.

Ace Gunner
09-24-2011, 08:53 PM
this sucks. primatine doesn't work for me.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-24-2011, 09:31 PM
The company that makes Primatene Mist, Armstrong Pharmaceuticals, said in July that it was "actively finalizing its internal development" of an HFA-propelled epinephrine product.

But Armstrong acknowledged that "there will likely be a time period between December 31, 2011, and the date of FDA approval" for the new version. The company has not specified a timeline for the marketing application.

The FDA noted that its rule on CFC epinephrine inhalers bans their sale and manufacture after this year, but patients who stock up before the deadline may continue to use the products safely until the stamped expiration date.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/OTC/28673


Gosh, sounds like the Invisible Hand at work. What will you bitch about then?

The fact that they would even ban Asthma inhalers that work to begin with for such a meaningless reason. The company has had 10 years to replace the propellant and haven't done so yet, meanwhile hundreds of thousands depend on these to prevent expensive emergency room visits.

suzzer99
09-25-2011, 10:31 AM
this sucks. primatine doesn't work for me.

Isn't Primatine the only OTC inhaler left? Why would this affect you?

BCD
09-25-2011, 09:20 PM
The EPA needs to disappear.

suzzer99
09-26-2011, 12:24 AM
Yeah would be so awesome to go back to when coal companies could give your kids asthma with no recourse, DuPont could pollute streams and give people cancer with no recourse, DDT companies could kill all the bald eagles on the west coast with no recourse... those were the days.

No conservative seems to give a shit about this stuff until it happens in their own backyard, then they find a way to blame the govt somehow for not protecting them - when their stated goal is to end all govt regulations on the environment. Bizzaro world as usual.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-26-2011, 06:46 AM
Yeah would be so awesome to go back to when coal companies could give your kids asthma with no recourse, DuPont could pollute streams and give people cancer with no recourse, DDT companies could kill all the bald eagles on the west coast with no recourse... those were the days.

No conservative seems to give a shit about this stuff until it happens in their own backyard, then they find a way to blame the govt somehow for not protecting them - when their stated goal is to end all govt regulations on the environment. Bizzaro world as usual.

Governments never do a good job protecting their citizens, especially when they are run by the corporations. ;)

Amnorix
09-26-2011, 12:12 PM
The EPA needs to disappear.

There's stupid, then there's your post.

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/


But, but, but, that could never happen here in the US. Yeah, right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River

There have reportedly been at least thirteen fires on the Cuyahoga River, the first occurring in 1868.[12] The largest river fire in 1952 caused over $1 million in damage to boats and a riverfront office building.[13] Fires erupted on the river several more times before June 22, 1969, when a river fire captured the attention of Time magazine, which described the Cuyahoga as the river that "oozes rather than flows" and in which a person "does not drown but decays."[

Garcia Bronco
09-26-2011, 12:55 PM
The EPA needs to disappear.

The FDA is doing this...and illegally. They cannot pass laws.

orange
09-26-2011, 02:47 PM
The FDA is doing this...and illegally. They cannot pass laws.

Are you just trolling these days?


In the United States, the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 (P.L. 101-549) contain provisions for implementing the Montreal Protocol, as well as explicit, separate authority for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency‎ to regulate ozone depleting chemicals.

Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher signed the protocol in 1987.

Letter from Ronald Reagan to the U.S. Senate:

"THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release December 21, 1987

To the Senate of the United States:

I transmit herewith, for the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, done at Montreal on September 16, 1987. The report of the Department of State is also enclosed for the information of the Senate.

The Montreal Protocol provides for internationally coordinated control of ozone-depleting substances in order to protect public health and the environment from potential adverse effects of depletion of stratospheric ozone. The Protocol was negotiated under the auspices of the United Nations Environment Program, pursuant to the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer, which was ratified by the United States in August 1986.

In this historic agreement, the international community undertakes cooperative measures to protect a vital global resource. The United States played a leading role in the negotiation of the Protocol. United States ratification is necessary for entry into force and effective implementation of the Protocol. Early ratification by the United States will encourage similar action by other nations whose participation is also essential.

I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Protocol and give its advice and consent to ratification.

Ronald Reagan The White House December 21, 1987"

Ronald Reagan - another guy who couldn't get the GOP nomination these days.

orange
09-26-2011, 02:53 PM
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/



Is that a body in #12.?!

Amnorix
09-26-2011, 04:04 PM
Is that a body in #12.?!


Looks like one, but hard to figure how it got there. I'd assume it's just a random odd shape or whatever.

Not that the body count isn't racking up one way or the other. China's environmental crisis is worsening by the day. It's only in the last year or three the government began to give a crap, but the kind of culture/mentality they have isn't anywhere near where it needs to be yet. They're polluting everything as fast as they can in their all-consuming desire to "catch up" etc.

Make no mistake -- tens if not hundreds of millions will lose years off their life expectancy and have lower quality of life as a result of this for generations to come. The full story/scope is really hard to imagine, but from the tip of the iceberg that has leaked out, it's pretty bad to say the least.

Amnorix
09-26-2011, 04:06 PM
Another article which I randomly found.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44565503/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/over-villagers-protest-china-factory-pollution/


I saw a special on TV a year or so back in which someone had smuggled footage out from a village that handles decaying old electronics or something like that. Holy mother of God it was horrific. Everything from workers at the recycling/disposal plants to the water to the soil was contaminated and the consequences were visible everywhere, including the people etc. Just horrific.

ClevelandBronco
09-26-2011, 04:06 PM
How are we to get relief from all the smoke they've been blowing up our asses?

suzzer99
09-26-2011, 04:38 PM
Governments never do a good job protecting their citizens, especially when they are run by the corporations. ;)

But corporations all by themselves do a better job?

suzzer99
09-26-2011, 04:39 PM
Another article which I randomly found.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44565503/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/over-villagers-protest-china-factory-pollution/


I saw a special on TV a year or so back in which someone had smuggled footage out from a village that handles decaying old electronics or something like that. Holy mother of God it was horrific. Everything from workers at the recycling/disposal plants to the water to the soil was contaminated and the consequences were visible everywhere, including the people etc. Just horrific.

Don't these people know how better off they are with no EPA? At least they have jobs right? Who needs your health or clean water?

suzzer99
09-26-2011, 04:43 PM
There's stupid, then there's your post.

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/


But, but, but, that could never happen here in the US. Yeah, right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River

There have reportedly been at least thirteen fires on the Cuyahoga River, the first occurring in 1868.[12] The largest river fire in 1952 caused over $1 million in damage to boats and a riverfront office building.[13] Fires erupted on the river several more times before June 22, 1969, when a river fire captured the attention of Time magazine, which described the Cuyahoga as the river that "oozes rather than flows" and in which a person "does not drown but decays."[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Donora_smog

The smog first rolled into Donora on October 27, 1948. By the following day it was causing coughing and other signs of respiratory distress for many residents of the community in the Monongahela River valley. Many of the illnesses and deaths were initially attributed to asthma. The smog continued until it rained on October 31, by which time 20 residents of Donora had died and approximately a third to one half of the town's population of 14,000 residents had been sickened. Sixty years later, the incident was described by The New York Times as "one of the worst air pollution disasters in the nation's history".[1] Even ten years after the incident, mortality rates in Donora were significantly higher than those in other communities nearby.[2]

...

Researchers analyzing the event have focused likely blame on pollutants from the zinc plant, whose emissions had killed almost all vegetation within a half-mile radius of the plant.[1] Dr. Devra L. Davis, director of the Center for Environmental Oncology at the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, has pointed to autopsy results showing fluorine levels in victims in the lethal range, as much as 20 times higher than normal. Fluorine gas generated in the zinc smelting process became trapped by the stagnant air and was the primary cause of the deaths.[2]

...

The Donora Smog marked one of the incidents where Americans recognized that exposure to large amounts of pollution in a short period of time can result in injuries and fatalities. The event is often credited for helping to trigger the clean-air movement in the United States, whose crowning achievement was the Clean Air Act of 1970, which required the United States Environmental Protection Agency to develop and enforce regulations to protect the general public from exposure to hazardous airborne contaminants.[1]

So there's your culprit. Blame the damn Donora smog for the scourge of the EPA. We could all still be free to breathe as much flourine as we want w/o that!

KILLER_CLOWN
09-26-2011, 05:03 PM
But corporations all by themselves do a better job?

Dunno, never seen/heard of a corporation running a nation directly.

suzzer99
09-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Protecting people, not running a nation. Don't be obtuse.

Ace Gunner
09-27-2011, 06:06 AM
Chinese Gov't is our friend.

Predarat
09-27-2011, 09:27 AM
Republicans and Democrats want us all to die. Tea partiers wish we were never born to begin with.

InChiefsHell
10-06-2011, 09:50 AM
Somehow I think that asthma inhalers polluting the atmosphere are a little tame compared to the stories on China. Reasonable regulation is needed, I get that. But Asthma inhalers are not destroying the planet. They aren't even making a dent. Yes, this started under GW, big shock.

Nothing wrong with reasonable regulations. This asthma shit is not reasonable. It's a typical overreach by the government.

blaise
10-06-2011, 09:58 AM
That's what I don't get. How much effect can they possibly have?

go bowe
10-06-2011, 12:07 PM
You are right. But, it begs the question, do you support the move? Do you support that the new ones that are eco-friendly all must be prescription and the OTC ones are gone?

making them prescription only is bullshit...

the market that bep always talks about should be able to come up with other otc inhalers that work and are as cheap as the old ones...

KILLER_CLOWN
10-06-2011, 12:55 PM
Look for healthcare costs to skyrocket as asthmatics without insurance are forced to use the emergency rooms for a breathing treatment as opposed to still using the $15 inhaler bought at wal mart.

orange
01-29-2012, 09:46 AM
Look for healthcare costs to skyrocket as asthmatics without insurance are forced to use the emergency rooms for a breathing treatment as opposed to still using the $15 inhaler bought at wal mart.

http://clinicaltrialsfeeds.org/clinical-trials/show/NCT01143051

Criteria for Participation in this Clinical Trial


Inclusion Criteria:
•Generally healthy, male and female adults, 18-30 yrs of age at Screening;
•Having no clinically significant respiratory, cardiovascular and other systemic or organic illnesses, per investigator discretion;
•Women of child-bearing potential must be non-pregnant, non-lactating, and practicing a clinically acceptable form of birth control;
•Having properly consented and satisfied all other inclusion/exclusion criteria as required for this protocol.
•Other criteria apply.

Exclusion Criteria:
•A recent or significant smoking history;
•Use of prohibited drugs or failure to observe the drug washout restrictions;
•Having been on other investigational drug/device studies in the last 30 days prior to Screening.
•Other criteria apply


Gender Eligibility for this Clinical Trial: Both

Minimum Age for this Clinical Trial: 18 Years

Maximum Age for this Clinical Trial: 30 Years

Are Healthy Volunteers Accepted for this Clinical Trial?: Accepts Healthy Volunteers

KILLER_CLOWN
01-29-2012, 10:34 AM
http://clinicaltrialsfeeds.org/clinical-trials/show/NCT01143051

Criteria for Participation in this Clinical Trial


Inclusion Criteria:
•Generally healthy, male and female adults, 18-30 yrs of age at Screening;
•Having no clinically significant respiratory, cardiovascular and other systemic or organic illnesses, per investigator discretion;
•Women of child-bearing potential must be non-pregnant, non-lactating, and practicing a clinically acceptable form of birth control;
•Having properly consented and satisfied all other inclusion/exclusion criteria as required for this protocol.
•Other criteria apply.

Exclusion Criteria:
•A recent or significant smoking history;
•Use of prohibited drugs or failure to observe the drug washout restrictions;
•Having been on other investigational drug/device studies in the last 30 days prior to Screening.
•Other criteria apply


Gender Eligibility for this Clinical Trial: Both

Minimum Age for this Clinical Trial: 18 Years

Maximum Age for this Clinical Trial: 30 Years

Are Healthy Volunteers Accepted for this Clinical Trial?: Accepts Healthy Volunteers

Contacted Armstrong Pharmaceuticals and i was told without serious pressure put on the FDA best case scenario is end of 2012.

banyon
01-29-2012, 10:43 AM
This is just like that time that we banned CFC's from hair spray and everyone went bankrupt.

go bowe
01-29-2012, 11:13 AM
This is just like that time that we banned CFC's from hair spray and everyone went bankrupt.

yeah, i remember when they banned freon for private use...

damned car a/c never worked good again... :banghead:

mikey23545
01-29-2012, 11:19 AM
http://clinicaltrialsfeeds.org/clinical-trials/show/NCT01143051



Exclusion Criteria:
•A recent or significant smoking history;
•Use of prohibited drugs or failure to observe the drug washout restrictions;
•Having been on other investigational drug/device studies in the last 30 days prior to Screening.
•Being crazier than a shithouse rat.


Gender Eligibility for this Clinical Trial: Both

Minimum Age for this Clinical Trial: 18 Years

Maximum Age for this Clinical Trial: 30 Years

Are Healthy Volunteers Accepted for this Clinical Trial?: Accepts Healthy Volunteers

FYP.

alnorth
01-29-2012, 12:01 PM
Look for healthcare costs to skyrocket as asthmatics without insurance are forced to use the emergency rooms for a breathing treatment as opposed to still using the $15 inhaler bought at wal mart.

overreact much?

Alternative scenario: They shell out another $20-30 bucks or so, with insurance covering most of it. Inhalers would be priority #1 for people with asthma. If a few more dollars is going to force you to miss a bill, people aren't going to say "well, I can't afford my inhaler, because I have to pay my phone bill". No, people will pay for the inhaler before even their rent/mortgage.

alnorth
01-29-2012, 12:02 PM
Somehow I think that asthma inhalers polluting the atmosphere are a little tame compared to the stories on China. Reasonable regulation is needed, I get that. But Asthma inhalers are not destroying the planet. They aren't even making a dent. Yes, this started under GW, big shock.

Nothing wrong with reasonable regulations. This asthma shit is not reasonable. It's a typical overreach by the government.

There's really no reason we should be using CFC's any more. The change is not going to have much of an impact.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-29-2012, 09:30 PM
overreact much?

Alternative scenario: They shell out another $20-30 bucks or so, with insurance covering most of it. Inhalers would be priority #1 for people with asthma. If a few more dollars is going to force you to miss a bill, people aren't going to say "well, I can't afford my inhaler, because I have to pay my phone bill". No, people will pay for the inhaler before even their rent/mortgage.

What insurance would that be? most of those that use it do not have insurance.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-29-2012, 10:09 PM
This is just like that time that we banned CFC's from hair spray and everyone went bankrupt.

Yes exactly the same, people die from not having the hairspray that has kept them alive for 30+ years. Oh wait not unless your name is Tammy faye Baker.

Pawnmower
01-30-2012, 01:11 AM
overreact much?

Alternative scenario: They shell out another $20-30 bucks or so, with insurance covering most of it. Inhalers would be priority #1 for people with asthma. If a few more dollars is going to force you to miss a bill, people aren't going to say "well, I can't afford my inhaler, because I have to pay my phone bill". No, people will pay for the inhaler before even their rent/mortgage.

Youre usually pretty on target, which is why I am surprised youre so far off on this one.

I'll make it simple:


Cost Pre Ban OTC : $15-20, no need to see doc

Cost of a prescription:

Doctor visit: $75? (prescription might last 2-3 months?)
Prescription drug: $30-50

Need I say more? Even if 'insurance' pays for it, that drives all of our prices up....(which is unlikely, as those using otc primatene probably have no insurance or no drug coverage or a high deductable)

KILLER_CLOWN
01-30-2012, 01:36 AM
Youre usually pretty on target, which is why I am surprised youre so far off on this one.

I'll make it simple:


Cost Pre Ban OTC : $15-20, no need to see doc

Cost of a prescription:

Doctor visit: $75? (prescription might last 2-3 months?)
Prescription drug: $30-50

Need I say more? Even if 'insurance' pays for it, that drives all of our prices up....(which is unlikely, as those using otc primatene probably have no insurance or no drug coverage or a high deductable)

Plus the fact the prescription has about 1/3 the amount in it.

Johnny Vegas
01-30-2012, 03:09 AM
believe it or not, but cannabis alleviates symptoms of asthma and would be a better alternative to prescriptions

KILLER_CLOWN
01-30-2012, 07:12 AM
believe it or not, but cannabis alleviates symptoms of asthma and would be a better alternative to prescriptions

Link? or Personal experience?

Predarat
01-30-2012, 10:24 AM
It makes no sense how these little inhalers can cause so much problems for the environment. Stupid fucking gubbment.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-30-2012, 10:27 AM
It makes no sense how these little inhalers can cause so much problems for the environment. Stupid ****ing gubbment.

The problem is they are cheap and effective, so of course you will now need to see a doctor who will prescribe a pro-air inhaler at $50 plus at least one maintenance steroid to stay on for life.

Chief Faithful
01-30-2012, 01:31 PM
Somehow I think that asthma inhalers polluting the atmosphere are a little tame compared to the stories on China. Reasonable regulation is needed, I get that. But Asthma inhalers are not destroying the planet. They aren't even making a dent. Yes, this started under GW, big shock.

Nothing wrong with reasonable regulations. This asthma shit is not reasonable. It's a typical overreach by the government.

Its Bush's Fault! :clap:

go bowe
01-30-2012, 01:59 PM
Its Bush's Fault! :clap:

i blame it on the clinton blow job...

Chief Faithful
01-30-2012, 02:16 PM
i blame it on the clinton blow job...

The original plan was created by the DNC at Water Gate.

Johnny Vegas
01-30-2012, 03:24 PM
Link? or Personal experience?

here you go. I know a couple people with asthma that treat it with cannabis. thats how I found out. http://www.cannabismd.net/asthma/

"...Clinical research shows that THC acts as a bronchial dilator, clearing blocked air passageways and allowing free breathing.[2], [3] In one study, marijuana, “caused an immediate reversal of exercise-induced asthma and hyperinflation.”[4] Numerous cases of asthma have been treated successfully with both natural and synthetic THC. In one report, a young woman used marijuana with her doctor’s approval. Over the course of several years her attacks were almost completely cured with low doses of inhaled cannabis smoke..."

headsnap
01-30-2012, 03:54 PM
here you go. I know a couple people with asthma that treat it with cannabis. thats how I found out. http://www.cannabismd.net/asthma/

"...Clinical research shows that THC acts as a bronchial dilator, clearing blocked air passageways and allowing free breathing.[2], [3] In one study, marijuana, “caused an immediate reversal of exercise-induced asthma and hyperinflation.”[4]

the LAST thing this asthmatic wants to do when he is huffing at the end of a race is take a toke... hell, I'm already saying stuff like 'ear'...

Numerous cases of asthma have been treated successfully with both natural and synthetic THC. In one report, a young woman used marijuana with her doctor’s approval. Over the course of several years her attacks were almost completely cured with low doses of inhaled cannabis smoke..."

:spock:

LOL, that's because after several years of toking up you no-longer feel like doing anything that would cause exercise induced asthma...

vailpass
01-30-2012, 03:58 PM
Why would anyone want to inhale asthma?

Johnny Vegas
01-30-2012, 04:03 PM
the LAST thing this asthmatic wants to do when he is huffing at the end of a race is take a toke... hell, I'm already saying stuff like 'ear'...



:spock:

LOL, that's because after several years of toking up you no-longer feel like doing anything that would cause exercise induced asthma...

well you don't have to smoke it. You can eat it too. Such as tinctures, edibles, and synthetic form. Shit I been toking for years and I have three jobs. Construction over the summer and I bartend at a resort and at an event club that are in two different towns. I work long hours and have loved what I've been doing as a living. I have enough money to not have to worry about bills every month. People ask how I do it. I get high at the end of the day to revitalize the mind, body, and soul. Not so much a drinker anymore. I hate hangovers. Plus drinking a lot makes you feel like shit and can't keep going longs hours in the day. I love beer still, but I don't power house them like I used to back in college.