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Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 07:20 PM
http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hatsoff.gif

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:21 PM
The interception at the end because I didn't get to see it... god damn streams.

BigRichard
09-25-2011, 07:21 PM
Gotta get the hat throw.

smittysbar
09-25-2011, 07:22 PM
Missing his head with his hat, I missed it.

milkman
09-25-2011, 07:22 PM
The pass to Breaston that set up the second TD.

crispystl420
09-25-2011, 07:22 PM
Gotta get the hat throw.

This definitely this.

stevieray
09-25-2011, 07:22 PM
back..and to the left..back...and to the left.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 07:23 PM
Missing his head with his hat, I missed it.

I don't remember this happening.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G_z8ynQdBvM/TVmog-QXsXI/AAAAAAAAAZo/PnzIy3EWPN4/s1600/trollface.jpg

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
09-25-2011, 07:23 PM
Hat throw mixed in with more Benny Hill footage and music.

Old Dog
09-25-2011, 07:24 PM
Missing his head with his hat, I missed it.

Then to clarify, when I said that he didn't really miss his head.....it was more like his head dropped the hat....

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:25 PM
The pass to Breaston that set up the second TD.

I am curios because I didn't see what you did but I didn't record it nor would I want to wade through that shit to see it again.

I could be wrong and with Cassel that wouldn't be a shock.

QuikSsurfer
09-25-2011, 07:26 PM
I don't remember this happening.



Come on, man.

milkman
09-25-2011, 07:26 PM
I am curios because I didn't see what you did but I didn't record it nor would I want to wade through that shit to see it again.

I could be wrong and with Cassel that wouldn't be a shock.

Others are saying the same thing about that pass as you, so it's entirely possible I am wrong.

smittysbar
09-25-2011, 07:28 PM
Others are saying the same thing about that pass as you, so it's entirely possible I am wrong.

What are you seeing

Old Dog
09-25-2011, 07:28 PM
I don't remember this happening.

On the bench, right after the pick

Rain Man
09-25-2011, 07:28 PM
I want to see the play where McCluster pancaked Antonio Garay and knocked him out of the game.

BossChief
09-25-2011, 07:29 PM
I had to leave the room and missed the pass to Breaston...whats the talk about?

ThaVirus
09-25-2011, 07:30 PM
Hali's bullrush sack, Bowe's TD, INT at the end, B Flow's INT, Lewis' INT, and also DJ's near-pick (I want to see if that was a bonehead drop, or if he had to contort and couldn't adjust).

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:30 PM
I had to leave the room and missed the pass to Breaston...whats the talk about?

Cassel actually threw a deep pass that was, dare I say, perfect.

milkman
09-25-2011, 07:31 PM
What are you seeing

I believe that a better throw, one that doesn't wobble, that leads him better, is an easy TD.

Chiefnj2
09-25-2011, 07:31 PM
Aren't mosts of them up on nfl.com??

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 07:31 PM
On the bench, right after the pick

Looks like my feed cut out.

FAX
09-25-2011, 07:32 PM
How about that run by Jones for 2 yards?

FAX

smittysbar
09-25-2011, 07:32 PM
I believe that a better throw, one that doesn't wobble, that leads him better, is an easy TD.

I thought the same, but wasn't at home with DVR

KurtCobain
09-25-2011, 07:32 PM
I wanna see the hat at the end.

ThaVirus
09-25-2011, 07:32 PM
How about that run by Jones for 2 yards?

FAX

The first or the 9th?

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:32 PM
I believe that a better throw, one that doesn't wobble, that leads him better, is an easy TD.

Jesus Christ dude. That was a great pass.

Pawnmower
09-25-2011, 07:33 PM
edit: watched again, was wrong I think.

milkman
09-25-2011, 07:34 PM
Jesus Christ dude. That was a great pass.

I was thinking I was the only one that saw it that way, but now there's another.

But I am willing to admit that I could be wrong.

Rain Man
09-25-2011, 07:36 PM
I'd also like to see the fourth-down stand to see who was plugging up the middle of the line so well. It was Gregg and Belcher and at least one other guy, but I couldn't tell who.

We got a bum spot on the third down that made it close, and then even got a bum spot on fourth down. Rivers didn't gain an inch and even lost yardage, and they almost gave them the first down. It was shocking to see the spots on both plays.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 07:36 PM
One thing I noticed, before Cassel's pass to Pope, he should have been flagged for a false start. Dumbass.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/false.gif

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:36 PM
I was thinking I was the only one that saw it that way, but now there's another.

But I am willing to admit that I could be wrong.

I'm not. I have no complaints with that pass. It was actually perfectly placed, even if by accident. If it was under thrown by even a half yard it hits the defender in the helmet and any further you're asking for another miracle catch for a TD.

Rain Man
09-25-2011, 07:38 PM
One thing I noticed, before Cassel's pass to Pope, he should have been flagged for a false start. Dumbass.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/false.gif


Yeah, I noticed that when it happened. I was surprised we weren't called for that.

Messier
09-25-2011, 07:39 PM
It isn't that Cassel has no talent, he just has almost no in game instinct, which, to me, is worse.

Chiefnj2
09-25-2011, 07:40 PM
I was thinking I was the only one that saw it that way, but now there's another.

But I am willing to admit that I could be wrong.

The throw was perfect. Breaston didn't have to go down.

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:40 PM
It isn't that Cassel has no talent, he just has almost no in game instinct, which, to me, is worse.

Cassels talent comes by accident.

milkman
09-25-2011, 07:42 PM
I'd also like to see the fourth-down stand to see who was plugging up the middle of the line so well. It was Gregg and Belcher and at least one other guy, but I couldn't tell who.

We got a bum spot on the third down that made it close, and then even got a bum spot on fourth down. Rivers didn't gain an inch and even lost yardage, and they almost gave them the first down. It was shocking to see the spots on both plays.

I thought the third down spot was spot on.

KCinNY
09-25-2011, 07:43 PM
Cassel's whiff when trying to don his baseball cap was classic.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 07:45 PM
Cassel's whiff when trying to don his baseball cap was classic.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Tribal Warfare
09-25-2011, 07:47 PM
I don't know what you're talking about.

when Cassel was on the bench right after the INT he attempted to put on a ballcap but missed his head entirely and it went straight backwards and hit nothing but air.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 07:47 PM
when Cassel was on the bench right after the INT he attempted to put on a ballcap but missed his head entirely and it went straight backwards and hit nothing but air.

Never happened.

ForeverChiefs58
09-25-2011, 07:48 PM
when Cassel was on the bench right after the INT he attempted to put on a ballcap but missed his head entirely and it went straight backwards and hit nothing but air.

:LOL::LOL:

crispystl420
09-25-2011, 07:50 PM
when Cassel was on the bench right after the INT he attempted to put on a ballcap but missed his head entirely and it went straight backwards and hit nothing but air.

You guys are so gullible. He's working the crowd lol

Rain Man
09-25-2011, 07:52 PM
Never happened.

I saw something happen, but it was right as the camera went to him. I actually thought he had tried to put his helmet on the back of his head and it fell off. You know, how some players will wear their helmet but will tilt it up like sunglasses?

Regardless, something big and red with an arrowhead fell off behind him when he was sitting on the bench.

InChiefsHell
09-25-2011, 07:52 PM
Never happened.

I know you must be kidding. When I saw it, I thought, Clayton WILL have that on Gif'd up...

ForeverChiefs58
09-25-2011, 07:54 PM
got it:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qyFzIG6E14U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Messier
09-25-2011, 07:54 PM
when Cassel was on the bench right after the INT he attempted to put on a ballcap but missed his head entirely and it went straight backwards and hit nothing but air.

I saw it. He had the hat on, tried to readjust it, and dropped it behind his head. What was funny is that he didn't care and just sat there after he dropped it.

Tribal Warfare
09-25-2011, 07:55 PM
got it:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qyFzIG6E14U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

THIS

dallaschiefsfan
09-25-2011, 07:55 PM
Haley's look of hate for Cassel after the final INT

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:56 PM
got it:

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qyFzIG6E14U" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>

My GF who doesn't watch football but watched the end of the game said
" He can't even put his hat on his head". LMAO

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:57 PM
Haley's look of hate for Cassel after the final INT

Yup.

KCinNY
09-25-2011, 07:57 PM
See him scratch the back of his head after he dropped it? That was awesome.

stevieray
09-25-2011, 08:00 PM
See him scratch the back of his head after he dropped it? That was awesome.

he looked right at the camera after it happened...made me chuckle and kind of sad for him.

PunkinDrublic
09-25-2011, 08:01 PM
How about a clip of Tamba almost pushing the guy blocking him straight into Phillip Rivers.

gblowfish
09-25-2011, 08:02 PM
He MEANT to do that...

aturnis
09-25-2011, 08:06 PM
He MEANT to do that...

???

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 08:15 PM
Hats off, Matt.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hatsoff.gif

jd1020
09-25-2011, 08:17 PM
Hats off, Matt.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hatsoff.gif

lol.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 08:18 PM
Hats off, Matt.

http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/hatsoff.gif

At the end it should say " Suckin for Luck in Kansas City".

BossChief
09-25-2011, 08:18 PM
I wonder what Haley says when the team watches the tape of these plays where Matt totally shits the bed.

BigRichard
09-25-2011, 08:18 PM
Hats off, Matt.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hatsoff.gif

Nice!

crispystl420
09-25-2011, 08:19 PM
got it:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qyFzIG6E14U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GIF fail lol

BossChief
09-25-2011, 08:23 PM
If you are gonna throw that pass, at least put it in a place where the guy its intended for can make the catch in stride and hopefully get out of bounds.

He misses DMC by 3 or 4 yards and puts it in perfect position for the INT.

If the pass was put in a good position, DMC may have had a chance at good yardage and for us to spike it or for him to get out of boundsl

ChiefsandO'sfan
09-25-2011, 08:24 PM
I wonder what Haley says when the team watches the tape of these plays where Matt totally shits the bed.

Blame pioli not me

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 08:28 PM
Blame pioli not me

Think about that situation. That must suck. You have a guy that sucks, but you have to convince the rest of the team he doesn't suck.

Like being a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesman in reverse.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 08:35 PM
Cassel threw a bad pass because he was under pants shitting pressure. Lovely endzone angle of the abortion:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail.gif

Barret
09-25-2011, 08:40 PM
Even if McCluster can catch that or if Cassel could actually hit him, that play wasn't going anywhere. Why not throw it out of bounds or something saving the clock??

milkman
09-25-2011, 08:43 PM
Cassel threw a bad pass because he was under pants shitting pressure. Lovely endzone angle of the abortion:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail.gif


There is absolutely no excuse for that abortion of a throw.

Bwana
09-25-2011, 08:44 PM
http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hatsoff.gif

Our QB is ****ing useless. LMAO
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50234_27208458910_8924_n.jpg

aturnis
09-25-2011, 08:45 PM
Looks like he somehow mistook Lilja for McCluster. Either way, idiot.

Colts just picked up the fumble to tie the game, and now just intercepted Big Ben. GO COLTS!

crazycoffey
09-25-2011, 08:47 PM
it is a silly throw

QuikSsurfer
09-25-2011, 08:52 PM
Hats off, Matt.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hatsoff.gif

Hahahahaha

Messier
09-25-2011, 09:01 PM
Really, why a screen pass there? Cassel screwed it up, but we weren't being blitzed. The Chiefs keep trying to outsmart the D, but they have the most success when they just play straight up.

thurman merman
09-25-2011, 09:07 PM
Can we please have a GIF of the sack where Cassel jumped into the air as if he was trying to propel himself into outer space?

Pants
09-25-2011, 09:12 PM
Hats off, Matt.

http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/hatsoff.gif

You can see how scared he is there.

NJChiefsFan
09-25-2011, 09:13 PM
he looked right at the camera after it happened...made me chuckle and kind of sad for him.

Thats how I felt. It was funny as hell, but at the same time I felt bad for him.

I want him out as much as anyone but I don't hate the guy personally. He just isn't good enough. He is just trying to keep his job and I think he knows he can't do it. He won't be able to look at his teammates after this.

That being said its too perfect, and as the season has gone and will go for Matt, the camera got it.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 09:16 PM
I don't feel sad for him at all.

He came here, stole 40 million Hunt dollars and told the fans to shut the fuck up while saying he graded out perfectly in a 4-pick game.

The day he's gone will be the best day since Carl resigned.

NJChiefsFan
09-25-2011, 09:18 PM
I don't feel sad for him at all.

He came here, stole 40 million Hunt dollars and told the fans to shut the **** up while saying he graded out perfectly in a 4-pick game.

The day he's gone will be the best day since Carl resigned.

Yeah he certainly has enough money to make him feel better. As a Chiefs fan I obviously will jump up and down when he is gone....But as a guy who has competed and played with a team, I can feel for a guy in that situation.

Anybody would have accepted that contract no matter how good they really were. To me, Pioli stole that money if anyone.

milkman
09-25-2011, 09:21 PM
Yeah he certainly has enough money to make him feel better. As a Chiefs fan I obviously will jump up and down when he is gone....But as a guy who has competed and played with a team, I can feel for a guy in that situation.

Anybody would have accepted that contract no matter how good they really were. To me, Pioli stole that money if anyone.

Absolutely, it was Pioli.

How the hell he thinks that Cassel was the answer at QB is a fucking mystery.

jspchief
09-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Look at his footwork on that play. This is a perfect example of why the guy is a bad qb.

It's a screen. By design he's going to have defenders coming at him. And he acts like its a jailbreak blitz, shits his pants, and throws a pass while falling back.

Lumpy
09-25-2011, 09:28 PM
This is sad... when I saw Cassel's hat fail, I KNEW it would make it on CP. LMAO

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 09:30 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

Extra Point
09-25-2011, 09:31 PM
There is absolutely no excuse for that abortion of a throw.

Maybe seeing the guy blow by Albert? Didn't see a little daylight a step into the pocket?

Shit throw, game over. Season cooked.

Buck
09-25-2011, 09:32 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

Can't throw a hail mary on every play LMAO

notorious
09-25-2011, 09:34 PM
First series of the game.


I about broke my remote when I saw that shit.

ReynardMuldrake
09-25-2011, 09:34 PM
Maybe seeing the guy blow by Albert? Didn't see a little daylight a step into the pocket?

Shit throw, game over. Season cooked.

He threw the INT because he flinches at the moment of release, like he's afraid of getting hit. He looked shell shocked out there today.

kcpasco
09-25-2011, 09:37 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

OH JFC :banghead:

jspchief
09-25-2011, 09:44 PM
Maybe seeing the guy blow by Albert? Didn't see a little daylight a step into the pocket?

Shit throw, game over. Season cooked.

You do realize that the guy blows by Albert by design, right? It's a screen. It's the lineman's job to release the defender so he can block downfield.

Three7s
09-25-2011, 09:47 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif
Wow, that might've gone for a TD.....

Fuck you Cassel.

BossChief
09-25-2011, 09:55 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

Stanzi gets us 6 on that play.

Ultra Peanut
09-25-2011, 09:55 PM
he looked right at the camera after it happened...made me chuckle and kind of sad for him.Yeah, it's hilarious but at the same time it made me feel really sorry for him. So pathetic it was humanizing.

ForeverChiefs58
09-25-2011, 09:56 PM
Matt Cassel will fuck you up dog
http://www.2nd2nada.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/kenny-fucking-powers-wiz-khalifa-460x344.png

BigMeatballDave
09-25-2011, 09:59 PM
A retarded chimp gets us 6 on that play.fyp

BigMeatballDave
09-25-2011, 10:01 PM
I look forward to Laz and Chiefnj2 to come in here and make excuses for Cassel and blame Haley while deep-throating Weis.

Rain Man
09-25-2011, 10:11 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif


Oh. Oh. Ow. I'm physically feeling pain here. I'm on my knees about to roll into a fetal position.

Shogun
09-25-2011, 10:14 PM
Can we get a video of Tamba Hali's WAR scream?

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Can we get a video of Tamba Hali's WAR scream?

Of course you can. Who do you think you're dealing with?

Shogun
09-25-2011, 10:18 PM
YOU ARE THE MAN ALL OF MY REPS ARE NOW BELONG TO YOU

O.city
09-25-2011, 10:19 PM
Jesus, It's not like he was even rushed on that throw at all. He had a fucking perfect pocket to step into. How do you miss that guy?

Zorn: Matt how did you miss that guy?
Matt: What guy?
Zorn: The guy in red running wide open down the seam.
Matt: Oh, no I saw him but he was way out there.

O.city
09-25-2011, 10:20 PM
What play was that? When did it occur I mean?

BossChief
09-25-2011, 10:21 PM
Jesus, It's not like he was even rushed on that throw at all. He had a fucking perfect pocket to step into. How do you miss that guy?

Zorn: Matt how did you miss that guy?
Matt: What guy?
Zorn: The guy in red running wide open down the seam.
Matt: Oh, no I saw him but he was way out there.

ROFL

O.city
09-25-2011, 10:23 PM
Defenses only have to defend about 20 yards when they play us.

Messier
09-25-2011, 10:24 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

That's just a perfect example of Cassel's inability to see the whole field, and, or, his fear of his ability to make that play. Either way, grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-25-2011, 10:25 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif


:facepalm:

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:25 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif
When I see plays like this one, it makes me think of one possibility that could account for not a seeing a receiver that was WIDE OPEN.

I'll give you a hint.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2011/03/MAJOR-LEAGUE-SHEEN.jpg

aturnis
09-25-2011, 10:26 PM
Jesus, It's not like he was even rushed on that throw at all. He had a ****ing perfect pocket to step into. How do you miss that guy?

Zorn: Matt how did you miss that guy?
Matt: What guy?
Zorn: The guy in red running wide open down the seam.
Matt: Oh, no I saw him but he was way out there.

LMAO

milkman
09-25-2011, 10:26 PM
When I see plays like this one, it makes me think of one possibility that could account for not a seeing a receiver that was WIDE OPEN.

I'll give you a hint.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2011/03/MAJOR-LEAGUE-SHEEN.jpg

He's on drugs?

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:27 PM
He's on drugs?
No, Grandpa. He has an eye problem. Needs his vision checked.

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 10:28 PM
When I see plays like this one, it makes me think of one possibility that could account for not a seeing a receiver that was WIDE OPEN.

I'll give you a hint.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2011/03/MAJOR-LEAGUE-SHEEN.jpg



In for Cassel telling fans to "blow it out their ass" and emerging from the bench with a leather jacket and buzzcut.

aturnis
09-25-2011, 10:29 PM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/tpb.jpg

thurman merman
09-25-2011, 10:29 PM
Jesus, It's not like he was even rushed on that throw at all. He had a ****ing perfect pocket to step into. How do you miss that guy?

Zorn: Matt how did you miss that guy?
Matt: What guy?
Zorn: The guy in red running wide open down the seam.
Matt: Oh, no I saw him but he was way out there.

ROFL

milkman
09-25-2011, 10:30 PM
No, Grandpa. He has an eye problem. Needs his vision checked.

No, he doesn't need his vision checked.

It's already been determined he has none.

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:33 PM
No, he doesn't need his vision checked.

It's already been determined he has none.
Why I oughta ... /3 Stooges

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:36 PM
I have 2 requests, as I only "heard" the first half of the game.

1. The 50 yard INT, that we turned into 0 points.

2. The "personal foul" for roughing the side judge. ROFL WTF? I have never heard of that, let alone seen it!

Chiefs Pantalones
09-25-2011, 10:43 PM
I've never hated a QB more than I do Cassel.

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:46 PM
I've never hated a QB more than I do Cassel.
That's becasue you're too young to remember Bill Kenney and Todd Blackledge.

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-25-2011, 10:48 PM
Todd Collins is starting for us JFC

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-25-2011, 10:49 PM
That's becasue you're too young to remember Bill Kenney and Todd Blackledge.

I'd take the former over Cassel in a heartbeat

KC Tattoo
09-25-2011, 10:50 PM
Way to come in the clutch Cassel, keeping the Luck dream alive. This is the story I can tell my grandkids. The poise and the delivery right on target thanks Cassel your the man!!

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:51 PM
I'd take the former over Cassel in a heartbeat
Can we run the Wing-T offense too?

bowener
09-25-2011, 11:39 PM
Tom Brady is currently on track for 7,077 yards passing and 59 TDs.

Matt Cassel is currently on track for 2,283 yards passing and 16 TDs.

Three7s
09-25-2011, 11:41 PM
Tom Brady is currently on track for 7,077 yards passing and 59 TDs.

Matt Cassel is currently on track for 2,283 yards passing and 16 TDs.
And how many INTs? LMAO

Count Alex's Wins
09-25-2011, 11:42 PM
And how many INTs? LMAO

26

Tuckdaddy
09-25-2011, 11:55 PM
He can't handle pressure. Forget about all the other crap with his mechanics and whatever else. HE CAN'T HANDLE PRESSURE! He just doesn't have it.

BossChief
09-25-2011, 11:57 PM
you either beat the blitz or the blitz beats you

and keeps beating you

Chiefs=Good
09-26-2011, 12:32 AM
Stanzi gets us 6 on that play.

Luck gets us 10

Count Alex's Wins
09-26-2011, 02:10 AM
Bowe leaves Zorn hangin' LMAO

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/HANGIN.gif

ChiefsandO'sfan
09-26-2011, 02:13 AM
Bowe leaves Zorn hangin' LMAO

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/HANGIN.gif

LMAO

KurtCobain
09-26-2011, 02:30 AM
Cassel did throw the perfect mother fucking pass to the Charger.

Count Alex's Wins
09-26-2011, 02:34 AM
primal scream

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/madman.gif

KurtCobain
09-26-2011, 02:36 AM
This is gonna be such a long fucking season.

the Talking Can
09-26-2011, 06:24 AM
the hat thing is fucking hilarious

he tries to play it off by scratching the back of his head


LMAO

WhiteWhale
09-26-2011, 07:28 AM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

I actually saw that on the replay. I saw someone in the game thread (notorious I think) mentioned it as well.

McCluster is only running that route to draw the MLB in to open up the deeper route. He's supposed to be a decoy, but hell... the shortest route is always the primary route with Matt Cassel!

InChiefsHell
09-26-2011, 07:43 AM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

My son was laughing at my reaction to that play. When they showed the replay you could see Bowe wide the fuck open over the top. I might have said some bad things...

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 10:59 AM
Maybe seeing the guy blow by Albert? Didn't see a little daylight a step into the pocket?

Shit throw, game over. Season cooked.

It's a screen pass!

You're supposed to have pressure; that's the damn point. They're supposed to leak through and you're supposed to throw over them. There's no way he should've freaked out like that on a play where he knew guys were going to come through.

Dude is awful, just MFing awful.

Molitoth
09-26-2011, 11:15 AM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. First pass play of the game. 3rd down and long and he throws a 3 yard pass.

lcarus
09-26-2011, 11:16 AM
My son was laughing at my reaction to that play. When they showed the replay you could see Bowe wide the **** open over the top. I might have said some bad things...

What's really bad about that play is that he THREW IT IN THE EXACT DIRECTION OF THE WIDE OPEN BOWE! So you know he should have seen him....

Molitoth
09-26-2011, 11:20 AM
I'd love to see Haley's reaction in the film room watching sh*t decisions of Cassel's.

I bet there are so many facepalm moments.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 11:24 AM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

God that is so bad....

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 11:25 AM
What's funny.....is Cassel STILL almost overthrows McCluster on that pass.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 11:30 AM
I'd love to see Haley's reaction in the film room watching sh*t decisions of Cassel's.

I bet there are so many facepalm moments.

That's my thought.

Haley has to look at that play and just be absolutely furious. I mean damn - how huge would that have been? An early-game 80 yard TD? There's nobody on that field that was anywhere near Bowe (the guy that shows up late over the middle was a referee).

And Cassel throws a pass short of the sticks under no duress at all. I mean there was absolutely nothing to explain why he threw that ball without even looking to his primary read (because doesn't Bowe have to be his primary there?).

That has to make Haley just lose his goddamn mind. It would be like watching your child eat a bite of dogshit or something. You just look at it and disgust and raw confusion.

He's just the worst.

philfree
09-26-2011, 11:31 AM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif


There was another play where Cassel completed a pass to Bowe down the right side of the field but he was late on the throw. If it was thrown on time it would have been a TD.

lcarus
09-26-2011, 11:34 AM
There was another play where Cassel completed a pass to Bowe down the right side of the field but he was late on the throw. If it was thrown on time it would have been a TD.

Saw that. Was just happy he completed it to be honest. At this point, that's a huge victory.

Pants
09-26-2011, 11:59 AM
It would be like watching your child eat a bite of dogshit or something. You just look at it and disgust and raw confusion.



LMAO

Coogs
09-26-2011, 12:08 PM
I have not had time to read through the threads/posts yet, but the part of the play that really bothered me on the INT play to close out the game was that Cassel threw the ball right to Lilja, and not McCluster. A covered Lilja no less... was just... :facepalm:

gblowfish
09-26-2011, 12:08 PM
I'd take the former over Cassel in a heartbeat

Believe me, as hard as it is to believe, Cassel's body of work has been better than Kenney and Blackledge. Cassel is working on becoming the next Bill Kenney, as "The Duke of Dink." But he would have to play this way for about six more years to equal the fetid cesspool of failure that was the Kenney/Blacklege era.

thurman merman
09-26-2011, 12:25 PM
Can we please have a GIF of the sack where Cassel jumped into the air as if he was trying to propel himself into outer space?

Ahem. Attention, Gif Horse. Do you know which play I am referring to?

mdchiefsfan
09-26-2011, 12:31 PM
I don't feel sad for him at all.

He came here, stole 40 million Hunt dollars and told the fans to shut the **** up while saying he graded out perfectly in a 4-pick game.

The day he's gone will be the best day since Carl resigned.

A Hunt dollar = How many Schrute bucks?

http://www.deanj.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/one-schrute-buck-largejpg-300x232.jpg

ChiefsandO'sfan
09-26-2011, 01:23 PM
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After cassel int lol

BossChief
09-26-2011, 01:32 PM
The old Todd Haley would have ripped Cassels head off and shit down his neck.

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 01:37 PM
I can't stand to even look at the ****er any more, he is such a ******. No other QB ever, would choke as consistently and as badly as this ****stick.

Pants
09-26-2011, 01:37 PM
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After cassel int lol

The look on Gordon's face is even more priceless. Dude is just shaking his head.

:shake:

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 01:41 PM
On the bench, right after the pick

Are you talking about when he fumbled his Chief's ball cap? He got close though, but was able to make it incomplete.

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 01:52 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

That one had me screaming WTF!?!

KCUnited
09-26-2011, 01:53 PM
I can't stand to even luck at the ****er any more, he is such a ******. No other QB ever, would choke as consistently and as badly as this ****stick.

Freudian slip?

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 02:04 PM
Freudian slip?

Yeah, I just noticed that and fixed it. ROFL

I am guessing Matt (graded out perfectly) Cassel was pretty well by himself in the locker room. The team busted their asses to give him the opportunity to succeed, but he let all of them down hard.

Buck
09-26-2011, 02:10 PM
Jesus, It's not like he was even rushed on that throw at all. He had a fucking perfect pocket to step into. How do you miss that guy?

Zorn: Matt how did you miss that guy?
Matt: What guy?
Zorn: The guy in red running wide open down the seam.
Matt: Oh, no I saw him but he was way out there.

Holy shit I'm in tears.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 02:11 PM
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After cassel int lol

It's a bad thing (For Cassel) when Haley doesn't even give a shit about your bad play anymore. It's like he expects it.

Pioli better not try to lay that game at the feet of Haley.

Haley tried to take the training wheels off Cassel the first two weeks and he proved he couldn't handle it. Haley dumbed it down week 3 and Cassel still shit the bed.

Molitoth
09-26-2011, 02:47 PM
Imagine how hard it is for Haley to bite his tongue every post game show and say things like "I trust Matt" blah blah blah.

DJJasonp
09-26-2011, 03:32 PM
In all honesty, I feel sorry for Cassel. It's not his fault Pioli handed him a ton of dough and the "starter" title to a career back-up.

Cassel is a tough dude (can take a hit, played through the surgery pain at St Louis last year)....and he seems like a nice guy.

But I think we've reached the point where we know what we have with him - and it's not going to get any better.

I really was rooting for him to prove me wrong (about being a good QB)....and last year he disguised himself quite well (behind Charles and Bowe).

But the time has come to move on.

As for the play-call....I dont have a problem with it. Executed properly, that could have been a 15-20 yd gain.

Problem is, Cassel threw the ball left....before he ever looked left. The rest, as they say, is history.

FAX
09-26-2011, 03:40 PM
In all honesty, I feel sorry for Cassel. It's not his fault Pioli handed him a ton of dough and the "starter" title to a career back-up.

Cassel is a tough dude (can take a hit, played through the surgery pain at St Louis last year)....and he seems like a nice guy.

But I think we've reached the point where we know what we have with him - and it's not going to get any better.

I really was rooting for him to prove me wrong (about being a good QB)....and last year he disguised himself quite well (behind Charles and Bowe).

But the time has come to move on.

As for the play-call....I dont have a problem with it. Executed properly, that could have been a 15-20 yd gain.

Problem is, Cassel threw the ball left....before he ever looked left. The rest, as they say, is history.

Here's what I don't understand, Mr. DJJasonp ...

I've read many a post referencing Cassel's "toughness". But, if he's so tough, why does he panic so badly in the face of pressure ... or even the semblance of pressure?

That screen debacle was a great example. A screen is "supposed" to draw pressure to the quarterback. It's too be expected. It's the whole idea. He wasn't hit ... he wasn't even touched before he threw the ball. Yet, it was obvious to any objective observer that, as he dropped back (demonstrating phenomenally poor footwork, by the way) that he was suddenly filled with terror and some form of quarterback hysteria. I don't get it.

FAX

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 03:41 PM
For some reason, I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for the guy that has banked $40,000,000.00 fraudulently. Sorry, die in an aids tree fire.

4th and Long
09-26-2011, 03:42 PM
For some reason, I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for the guy that has banked $40,000,000.00 fraudulently. Sorry, die in an aids tree fire.
I don't recall ever seeing you this pissed about anything. ROFL

Chiefnj2
09-26-2011, 03:45 PM
Here's what I don't understand, Mr. DJJasonp ...

I've read many a post referencing Cassel's "toughness". But, if he's so tough, why does he panic so badly in the face of pressure ... or even the semblance of pressure?

That screen debacle was a great example. A screen is "supposed" to draw pressure to the quarterback. It's too be expected. It's the whole idea. He wasn't hit ... he wasn't even touched before he threw the ball. Yet, it was obvious to any objective observer that, as he dropped back (demonstrating phenomenally poor footwork, by the way) that he was suddenly filled with terror and some form of quarterback hysteria. I don't get it.

FAX

He's physically tough. Coming back quick from the appendectomy. Takes sacks, etc.

Fish
09-26-2011, 03:51 PM
Here's what I don't understand, Mr. DJJasonp ...

I've read many a post referencing Cassel's "toughness". But, if he's so tough, why does he panic so badly in the face of pressure ... or even the semblance of pressure?

That screen debacle was a great example. A screen is "supposed" to draw pressure to the quarterback. It's too be expected. It's the whole idea. He wasn't hit ... he wasn't even touched before he threw the ball. Yet, it was obvious to any objective observer that, as he dropped back (demonstrating phenomenally poor footwork, by the way) that he was suddenly filled with terror and some form of quarterback hysteria. I don't get it.

FAX

Physical toughness ≠ Mental toughness

the Talking Can
09-26-2011, 04:02 PM
For some reason, I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for the guy that has banked $40,000,000.00 fraudulently. Sorry, die in an aids tree fire.

and has wasted 3 years of our lives...not to mention Hali's, Bowe's etc...

x1000000000000000

rtmike
09-26-2011, 04:14 PM
I don't recall ever seeing you this pissed about anything. ROFL

+2

You know shit's gone to hell if Ed's talking like that.

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 04:57 PM
I don't recall ever seeing you this pissed about anything. ROFL;) Actually I have been pretty pissed at him for a while. Here are a few that came up quickly. :

Post 41
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=7175090&highlight=cassels+eyes+are+too+close+together#post7175090

Cassel alone, is the reason this offense didn't keep it close, when they had a chance. That fumble was pathetic, just the worst. I have gotten used to him missing wide open receivers, when the pressure is on.

post 254

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=7083234&highlight=cassels+eyes+are+too+close+together#post7083234

A guy that has little to no composure, no pocket awareness, exceeded only by his lack of accuracy. To top that off, he is not a ****ing leader! Not only that, he looks downright ****ing stupid in a football helmet, and his eyes are too close together.

post 48

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=7028110&highlight=cassels+eyes+are+too+close+together#post7028110

I said it last year, his eyes are way too close together, consequently he has no depth perception.

Post 73

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=6975492&highlight=cassels+eyes+are+too+close+together#post6975492

Can you imagine where this team would be with Sanchez and player to be named later, instead of TJ and Cassel? Dammit, just ****ing dammit!!!

Post 14, Jan 2010

Cassel may be handicapped, his eyes are too close together. Look at them, they are 2/3 the distance apart of a normal person. This is the problem with his depth perception and inability to throw complete passes over ten yards.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=6396271&highlight=cassels+eyes+are+too+close+together#post6396271

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 05:05 PM
and has wasted 3 years of our lives...not to mention Hali's, Bowe's etc...

x1000000000000000

Yeah, we have been through this too many times. Wasting great players careers, because the team doesn't have the QB to get them where they want to go.
Will Shields and DT are the first two that come to mind, but the list is very long.
Oh, and I am getting old.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 05:07 PM
It's a bad thing (For Cassel) when Haley doesn't even give a shit about your bad play anymore. It's like he expects it.

Pioli better not try to lay that game at the feet of Haley.

Haley tried to take the training wheels off Cassel the first two weeks and he proved he couldn't handle it. Haley dumbed it down week 3 and Cassel still shit the bed.

Wow. This is the most dilusional post Ive seen for awhile.

Let me preface this by saying Im am not here to defend the QB position.

However, to say that anyone has taken the training wheels off this offense the 1st 2 games is unbelieveable. It wasn't until the second half of this game that we even attempted a play over 4 yards downfield. It was then and only then we started to show we could move the ball.

It reminds me of Priest Holmes. When he 1st came here we just gave him a few carries. He basically forced them to go to him when he kept making plays. The coaches almost seemed scared to count him.

Now the play calling seems the problem to me. Thats not to say Cassel is a great QB. But the coaching staff with thier play calling keeps the defense in the box and then refuse to even stretch them to give our offense passing/running a chance.

We started to look much better in the second half. The reason had more to do with play calling then anything the players did.

I will say though that confidence is the key. You cant get any confidence as a player the way this team is being coached. Look at Charles. 6.4 yards a carry average and wasn't even the starting RB over a guy getting 2 yards a tote.

Dumbest ****in thing Ive ever seen.

BigMeatballDave
09-26-2011, 05:12 PM
Any other team would have benched their shitty QB by now.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Wow. This kis thje most dilusional post Ive seen for awhile.

Let me preface this by saying Im am not here to defend the QB position.

However, to say that anyone has taken the training wheels off this offense the 1st 2 games is unbelieveable. It wasn't until the second half of this game that we even attempted a play over 4 yards downfield. It was then and only then we started to show we could move the ball.



BS dude. Just because Cassel wasn't completing passes his first two weeks does not mean they weren't giving him the chance to. He tried and failed miserably. Haley spoke of "Big Changes" Being made for week 3.

In week 3 the game plan was clear and obvious. It was to restrict Matt Cassel and run the damn football. Painfully obvious. They didn't want Cassel turning it over and they wanted to reestablish the run.

They minimized his throwing opportunities compared to the first two games.

It wasn't until the 2nd half of week 3 that they finally realized that they couldn't handcuff him and win.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 05:18 PM
Wow. This is the most dilusional post Ive seen for awhile.

Let me preface this by saying Im am not here to defend the QB position.

However, to say that anyone has taken the training wheels off this offense the 1st 2 games is unbelieveable. It wasn't until the second half of this game that we even attempted a play over 4 yards downfield. It was then and only then we started to show we could move the ball.

It reminds me of Priest Holmes. When he 1st came here we just gave him a few carries. He basically forced them to go to him when he kept making plays. The coaches almost seemed scared to count him.

Now the play calling seems the problem to me. Thats not to say Cassel is a great QB. But the coaching staff with thier play calling keeps the defense in the box and then refuse to even stretch them to give our offense passing/running a chance.

We started to look much better in the second half. The reason had more to do with play calling then anything the players did.

I will say though that confidence is the key. You cant get any confidence as a player the way this team is being coached. Look at Charles. 6.4 yards a carry average and wasn't even the starting RB over a guy getting 2 yards a tote.

Dumbest ****in thing Ive ever seen.

The playcalling is the way it is BECAUSE of Matt Cassel. Not the other way around.

Thig Lyfe
09-26-2011, 05:20 PM
lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif

Cassel hated the QB Vision feature in Madden 2006.

BossChief
09-26-2011, 05:20 PM
The playcalling is the way it is BECAUSE of Matt Cassel. Not the other way around.

THIS

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 05:21 PM
The playcalling is the way it is BECAUSE of Matt Cassel. Not the other way around.

This.

IMO, Cassel has looked worse because they aren't babying him anymore. They asked him to throw the ball downfield and he's terrible at it.

So guess what, back to square one.

R2P2.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Wow. This is the most dilusional post Ive seen for awhile.

Let me preface this by saying Im am not here to defend the QB position.

However, to say that anyone has taken the training wheels off this offense the 1st 2 games is unbelieveable. It wasn't until the second half of this game that we even attempted a play over 4 yards downfield. It was then and only then we started to show we could move the ball.

It reminds me of Priest Holmes. When he 1st came here we just gave him a few carries. He basically forced them to go to him when he kept making plays. The coaches almost seemed scared to count him.

Now the play calling seems the problem to me. Thats not to say Cassel is a great QB. But the coaching staff with thier play calling keeps the defense in the box and then refuse to even stretch them to give our offense passing/running a chance.

We started to look much better in the second half. The reason had more to do with play calling then anything the players did.

I will say though that confidence is the key. You cant get any confidence as a player the way this team is being coached. Look at Charles. 6.4 yards a carry average and wasn't even the starting RB over a guy getting 2 yards a tote.

Dumbest ****in thing Ive ever seen.

Do you believe the play called for Cassel to check down to McCluster on 3rd and long when he had Bowe open over the middle?

I'm absolutely convinced from being at a couple of games thus far this year that the Chiefs are running routes down the field and they're trying to open the field up - Cassel just doesn't look at them.

He works backwards through progressions - from the open dump routes and then to the deep routes. Obviously a dump is almost always going to be available, so off it goes.

I wonder if the reason he plays better in situations like that last drive (up until the abortion screen) is A) There aren't as many underneath routes b/c of the need to be aggressive or B) He simply stops reading backwards and plays more aggressively due to the demands of the game.

I won't put this offense on playcalling - I've seen way too many people open downfield that Cassel simply doesn't look at or throw to to believe that the coaching staff is actively calling plays designed for him to pick up 4 yards per completion.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Do you believe the play called for Cassel to check down to McCluster on 3rd and long when he had Bowe open over the middle?

I'm absolutely convinced from being at a couple of games thus far this year that the Chiefs are running routes down the field and they're trying to open the field up - Cassel just doesn't look at them.

He works backwards through progressions - from the open dump routes and then to the deep routes. Obviously a dump is almost always going to be available, so off it goes.

I wonder if the reason he plays better in situations like that last drive (up until the abortion screen) is A) There aren't as many underneath routes b/c of the need to be aggressive or B) He simply stops reading backwards and plays more aggressively due to the demands of the game.

I won't put this offense on playcalling - I've seen way too many people open downfield that Cassel simply doesn't look at or throw to to believe that the coaching staff is actively calling plays designed for him to pick up 4 yards per completion.

I agree.

And it felt like the Coaching staff thought they made a mistake by letting him throw it. So the first half of Sunday's game they went back to coddling him. Run on 1st and 2nd down and sometimes hope that he can complete a pass on 3rd down.

And even then he failed.....

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 05:35 PM
I guess I have a hard time blaming it all on one guy. I know the media and most fans give all credit to QBs and there is no other position. Hoever that fiels goal could be the blame as much as anything anyone else did. How about the DL drop on the gimme pick?

Going back to playcalling. The open offense you use as your arguement is one where the only time we threw it over 30 times in a game was Buffalo. Completed over 60% and still threw for under 120 yards. Thats just begging the defense to croud the line and shut down our run game. And in no way can be construed as an offensive game plan.

I wish it was that easy. I wish I could just say, okay lets fix this and we will be okay. I cant. I see problems on many levels. Starting with the coaching staff. As for Cassel, he has improved with each year. There is no reason to come out the way we did this season other than the team was unprepared.

Does that mean I thing Cassel doesnt contribute to the problem? No. He's definately part of the problem. But right now our biggest problem is our coach and his ego. Until we get past that, you're not going to get the players to play with the swagger of the better teams. Listen, you create your own reality. Whether it be in real life or on the football field. You are what you think you are.

What you see is a team who's head coach has to be the alpha male instead of being the head coach.

I appreciate your opinion on the matter. I just dont thing it's that simple.

Ace Gunner
09-26-2011, 05:41 PM
Wow. This is the most dilusional post Ive seen for awhile.

Let me preface this by saying Im am not here to defend the QB position.

However, to say that anyone has taken the training wheels off this offense the 1st 2 games is unbelieveable. It wasn't until the second half of this game that we even attempted a play over 4 yards downfield. It was then and only then we started to show we could move the ball.

It reminds me of Priest Holmes. When he 1st came here we just gave him a few carries. He basically forced them to go to him when he kept making plays. The coaches almost seemed scared to count him.

Now the play calling seems the problem to me. Thats not to say Cassel is a great QB. But the coaching staff with thier play calling keeps the defense in the box and then refuse to even stretch them to give our offense passing/running a chance.

We started to look much better in the second half. The reason had more to do with play calling then anything the players did.

I will say though that confidence is the key. You cant get any confidence as a player the way this team is being coached. Look at Charles. 6.4 yards a carry average and wasn't even the starting RB over a guy getting 2 yards a tote.

Dumbest ****in thing Ive ever seen.

lol

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fail2.gif



see how stupid you are? No, of course not.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 05:44 PM
Do you believe the play called for Cassel to check down to McCluster on 3rd and long when he had Bowe open over the middle?

No I think it was the play called. I think it was a swing pass just like the 10 other swing passes that were called in the game.

I think he threw it early. I think he threw it poorly. But I think it was his 1st read. I dont know for sure as Im not the one calling plays. Nor do I have an axe to grind for a single player.

Reading backwards? That seems easy to fix. I doubt this is the problem. I think maybe the play was already called and designed to stop the clock. If the coaches were dumbing it down for him then they would have just had him spike it. Which is probably what I would have had him do.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 05:47 PM
I guess I have a hard time blaming it all on one guy. I know the media and most fans give all credit to QBs and there is no other position. Hoever that fiels goal could be the blame as much as anything anyone else did. How about the DL drop on the gimme pick?

Going back to playcalling. The open offense you use as your arguement is one where the only time we threw it over 30 times in a game was Buffalo. Completed over 60% and still threw for under 120 yards. Thats just begging the defense to croud the line and shut down our run game. And in no way can be construed as an offensive game plan.

I wish it was that easy. I wish I could just say, okay lets fix this and we will be okay. I cant. I see problems on many levels. Starting with the coaching staff. As for Cassel, he has improved with each year. There is no reason to come out the way we did this season other than the team was unprepared.

Does that mean I thing Cassel doesnt contribute to the problem? No. He's definately part of the problem. But right now our biggest problem is our coach and his ego. Until we get past that, you're not going to get the players to play with the swagger of the better teams. Listen, you create your own reality. Whether it be in real life or on the football field. You are what you think you are.

What you see is a team who's head coach has to be the alpha male instead of being the head coach.

I appreciate your opinion on the matter. I just dont thing it's that simple.

What is the one constant of all of this suck? Matt Cassel.

Who handcuffs the offense? Matt Cassel.
Who leaves the defense on the field longer than they should be? Matt Cassel.

This team would be a million times better with a different QB.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 05:50 PM
No I think it was the play called. I think it was a swing pass just like the 10 other swing passes that were called in the game.

I think he threw it early. I think he threw it poorly. But I think it was his 1st read. I dont know for sure as Im not the one calling plays. Nor do I have an axe to grind for a single player.

Reading backwards? That seems easy to fix. I doubt this is the problem. I think maybe the play was already called and designed to stop the clock. If the coaches were dumbing it down for him then they would have just had him spike it. Which is probably what I would have had him do.

You believe Haley is the culprit, or, one of the Culprits. Ok.

But did Haley have this problem In AZ? Did he have this problem in Dallas? Has this offensive system ever been known for this?

In case you were wondering, the answer is no.

And regarding the play that you're speaking of, you're wrong.

Progressions aren't made from the inside out. It's the opposite. Hence the term "Check DOWN"

There is no way in Hell Bowe wasn't his primary read. A pass behind the 1st down marker is his primary read? You really think this coaching staff is that stupid?

Once again, Haley didn't have this problem in AZ. Gee, I wonder why.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 05:55 PM
see how stupid you are? No, of course not.

I notice the deeper WR turning in toward the defender. I probably throw to the 1st wide open WR I see. I have no problem with that play. It happens in every game like that. For all QBs. Do you think this is a bad play? To throw it to your #1 WR when he is wide open?

Please dont call me stupid.

That would make you severely retarded in comparison. Every other person here has debated with dignity like adults. I doubt you want to get into a slam contest with me. Dont you always lose those anyway?

Let me be the 1st to extend an olive branch. If you'd like to make a point, Im more than prepared to hear it. If its valid, more than willing to aknowledge it. If you make a good point Im willing to give you credit for it. Knowing that, is there any reason to volunteer for another ass kicking.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 05:59 PM
I notice the deeper WR turning in toward the defender. I probably throw to the 1st wide open WR I see.



Bingo.

That's the problem. The 1st open receiver you see will typically be the check down. That's exactly what everyone is trying to say.

Rather than wait for his downfield routes to develop, he panics and checks down. He doesn't have the ability to scan the field.

And when he does finally throw it downfield, he rarely puts the ball where it needs to be. See Detroit.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:01 PM
I notice the deeper WR turning in toward the defender. I probably throw to the 1st wide open WR I see. I have no problem with that play. It happens in every game like that. For all QBs. Do you think this is a bad play? To throw it to your #1 WR when he is wide open?

Please dont call me stupid.

That would make you severely retarded in comparison. Every other person here has debated with dignity like adults. I doubt you want to get into a slam contest with me. Dont you always lose those anyway?

Let me be the 1st to extend an olive branch. If you'd like to make a point, Im more than prepared to hear it. If its valid, more than willing to aknowledge it. If you make a good point Im willing to give you credit for it. Knowing that, is there any reason to volunteer for another ass kicking.

Except he didn't throw it to the first open receiver that he saw. He threw the checkdown pass. And who happens to be around that receiver? Two Chargers.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:01 PM
You believe Haley is the culprit, or, one of the Culprits. Ok.

But did Haley have this problem In AZ? Did he have this problem in Dallas? Has this offensive system ever been known for this?

In case you were wondering, the answer is no.

And regarding the play that you're speaking of, you're wrong.

Progressions aren't made from the inside out. It's the opposite. Hence the term "Check DOWN"

There is no way in Hell Bowe wasn't his primary read. A pass behind the 1st down marker is his primary read? You really think this coaching staff is that stupid?

Once again, Haley didn't have this problem in AZ. Gee, I wonder why.

Was Haley the head caoch in AZ? I know he had lot of conflicts with his WRs. Does Boldin ring a bell?

If you have a swing pass called, the 1st read is not gonna be Bowe. In fact, the defense often dictates 1st read.

Like I said, I hope you're right. I hope its that simple.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:04 PM
What is the one constant of all of this suck? Matt Cassel.

Who handcuffs the offense? Matt Cassel.
Who leaves the defense on the field longer than they should be? Matt Cassel.

This team would be a million times better with a different QB.

A simple answer to a much bigger problem.

The defense gives up looooooong drives early in games.

Listen, Im not saying he's not part of the problem. Im saying he's only a marginal part of it. If you dont agree I respect that. But Im not inclined to agree with it.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:07 PM
Was Haley the head caoch in AZ? I know he had lot of conflicts with his WRs. Does Boldin ring a bell?

If you have a swing pass called, the 1st read is not gonna be Bowe. In fact, the defense often dictates 1st read.

Like I said, I hope you're right. I hope its that simple.

The conflict he had with Boldin had nothing to do with QB play though. And that situation was clearly overblown. That offense ran well, took chunks of yards because they had competent QB play.

So to say that Haley runs a Dink and Dunk offense by choice doesn't add up. His SB season was a big play, chuck the ball down the field offense.

The difference? Cassel vs Warner obviously.

One QB allows you to open it up and the other doesn't.

Cassel, IMO, makes that big of a difference.





Imagine the roles were revered with the Chargers. Imagine that Rivers drops back to pass, Vincent Jackson is running wide open 20-something or more yards down the field and he has Ryan Matthews as a check down.

Who does Rivers throw to?

Game after game, he finds his Vincent Jackson. He's thinking big play, not little play.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-26-2011, 06:07 PM
Imagine how many yards Bowe could put up with a QB that could get him the ball downfield? He's open deep at least several times a game by a country mile.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:07 PM
Bingo.

That's the problem. The 1st open receiver you see will typically be the check down. That's exactly what everyone is trying to say.

Rather than wait for his downfield routes to develop, he panics and checks down. He doesn't have the ability to scan the field.

And when he does finally throw it downfield, he rarely puts the ball where it needs to be. See Detroit.

The #1 WR is the 1st read, he's wide open, he threw him the ball.

Whats the problem?

Rain Man
09-26-2011, 06:08 PM
The conflict he had with Boldin had nothing to do with QB play though. And that situation was clearly overblown. That offense ran well, took chunks of yards because they had competent QB play.

So to say that Haley runs a Dink and Dunk offense by choice doesn't add up. His SB season was a big play, chuck the ball down the field offense.

The difference? Cassel vs Warner obviously.

One QB allows you to open it up and the other doesn't.

Cassel, IMO, makes that big of a difference.






I bet Kurt Warner could still give us 13 good games. He's got to be bored doing that game analysis gig.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:08 PM
The #1 WR is the 1st read, he's wide open, he threw him the ball.

Whats the problem?

Huh? Exactly what play were you watching?

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:09 PM
A simple answer to a much bigger problem.

The defense gives up looooooong drives early in games.

Listen, Im not saying he's not part of the problem. Im saying he's only a marginal part of it. If you dont agree I respect that. But Im not inclined to agree with it.

The Defense held one of the most prolific scoring offenses in the last 5 years to 10 points in the first half.

The D did their job. The Offense did little to help. We wouldn't be talking about the Ball control the Chargers displayed if the Offense did it's job.

I agree that the QB isn't the only problem, but it's the biggest problem by a pretty damn wide margin.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:10 PM
The #1 WR is the 1st read, he's wide open, he threw him the ball.

Whats the problem?

huh?

I think we must be talking about two different plays here....

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:10 PM
huh?

I think we must be talking about two different plays here....

I think he's talking about the screen pass.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:11 PM
Imagine how many yards Bowe could put up with a QB that could get him the ball downfield? He's open deep at least several times a game by a country mile.

It must drive Haley crazy. He dragged Bowe through the mud to make him into the WR he is today.....Only to have a QB who can't get him the ball.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:13 PM
The Defense held one of the most prolific scoring offenses in the last 5 years to 10 points in the first half.

The D did their job. The Offense did little to help. We wouldn't be talking about the Ball control the Chargers displayed if the Offense did it's job.

I agree that the QB isn't the only problem, but it's the biggest problem by a pretty damn wide margin.

Long drives that kept them on the field is not theoffense keeping them on the field. Without the picks, the score would have been 35 or so points. Lets keep it realistic.

BossChief
09-26-2011, 06:13 PM
FFS

I cant find it...can somebody please post that Charlie Weis interview where he talked about his first order of business in KC was to "fix the quarterback"

That wasn't the only "golden nugget" in that interview. He went on to talk about how they would change the plays that are called to take out what he (Cassel) cant do and focus on the things they felt he did well. Then we got a whole year of short dumpoff passes and no deep routes.

It polished the turd.

First passing play of the game is that gif showing Bowe WIDE OPEN (kinda like the playoff game) and Cassel didn't even see him even though he was under no pressure and never even looked.

I don't want to hear a peep about the playcalling being the problem as a statement of defense of Cassel because it is one of the most false statements on here.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:14 PM
Long drives that kept them on the field is not theoffense keeping them on the field. Without the picks, the score would have been 35 or so points. Lets keep it realistic.

Yeah....and if Cassel was anything more than a high school QB.....we'd actually have wins in the column.

The defense did their part against the Chargers. Cassel lost us that game. Nobody else.....fucking Cassel.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:15 PM
Long drives that kept them on the field is not theoffense keeping them on the field. Without the picks, the score would have been 35 or so points. Lets keep it realistic.

The Offense couldn't muster a single first down. You gonna tell me that had nothing to do with the Defense being on the field so much?

Ima have to disagree with that.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:15 PM
FFS

I cant find it...can somebody please post that Charlie Weis interview where he talked about his first order of business in KC was to "fix the quarterback"

That wasn't the only "golden nugget" in that interview. He went on to talk about how they would change the plays that are called to take out what he (Cassel) cant do and focus on the things they felt he did well. Then we got a whole year of short dumpoff passes and no deep routes.

It polished the turd.

First passing play of the game is that gif showing Bowe WIDE OPEN (kinda like the playoff game) and Cassel didn't even see him even though he was under no pressure and never even looked.

I don't want to hear a peep about the playcalling being the problem as a statement of defense of Cassel because it is one of the most false statements on here.

That's not even the best thing that Weis said about Matt Cassel. When he first joined the coaching staff, the media asked Weis what he thought of Cassel. His response...

"Well.....he's on the team."

FAX
09-26-2011, 06:17 PM
The #1 WR is the 1st read, he's wide open, he threw him the ball.

Whats the problem?

I don't think Cassel can (in the immortal words of Lenny) "survey the field" very well.

So far this year, there are several gif things which clearly demonstrate Cassel throwing the ball to a covered receiver while the wide open guy is completely ignored.

I don't know what his problem is. But, in this league, you have to be able to find the open guy ... and throw the screen pass.

I was listening to Jaycee Pearson earlier today and (although, since he's a paid commentator, I admittedly take much of his verbiage with a grain of salt) he said Cassel is throwing the ball about as poorly as it can be thrown - including the short passes - his forte ... or words to that effect. He attributes this sad fact to "lack of confidence".

I don't understand that problem. The Chiefs have done nothing but try bolster Cassel's confidence at every step along the way. They acquired him, paid him, refused to challenge him with competition, supported him publicly, hired Weis, then Zorn, and bought him a brand new binkie.

I am simply astonished that persons of good will and contemplative ability continue to place the core of our offensive woes elsewhere. Cassel may be a nice guy but, as a football player, he is a walking pile of dog crap.

FAX

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:18 PM
FFS

I cant find it...can somebody please post that Charlie Weis interview where he talked about his first order of business in KC was to "fix the quarterback"

That wasn't the only "golden nugget" in that interview. He went on to talk about how they would change the plays that are called to take out what he (Cassel) cant do and focus on the things they felt he did well. Then we got a whole year of short dumpoff passes and no deep routes.

It polished the turd.

First passing play of the game is that gif showing Bowe WIDE OPEN (kinda like the playoff game) and Cassel didn't even see him even though he was under no pressure and never even looked.

I don't want to hear a peep about the playcalling being the problem as a statement of defense of Cassel because it is one of the most false statements on here.

This.

And IMO, the Chiefs came into the season and finished last season feeling like they needed Cassel to throw downfield in order to win.

Which is obviously the correct assumption.

But he failed the test miserably.

The 1st half Gameplan vs SD was blatantly obvious. They wanted to put as little stress on Cassel as possible.

Musta been the "Big Changes" Haley was speaking of after the DET game.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:20 PM
huh?

I think we must be talking about two different plays here....

Post 180

We are talking about 2 different plays.

Dont really matter though. This is less about isolating the problems with the Chiefs and more about roasting a single player. I really dont get into that. I personally thing they are all ltrying thier best. They are either good enough or not. But I dont axe grind. Its to subjective when it comes to QBs anyway. Unless you see what he sees, know what the play calls were to start with, and the comfort level he has with the players, then there is no way for me to know every variable of a play.

I'll end it here.

As many injuries as we have suffered, its gonna be hard to win going forward. No one player will make up for all the guys we lost.

Later.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:21 PM
Post 180

We are talking about 2 different plays.

Dont really matter though. This is less about isolating the problems with the Chiefs and more about roasting a single player. I really dont get into that. I personally thing they are all ltrying thier best. They are either good enough or not. But I dont axe grind. Its to subjective when it comes to QBs anyway. Unless you see what he sees, know what the play calls were to start with, and the comfort level he has with the players, then there is no way for me to know every variable of a play.

I'll end it here.

As many injuries as we have suffered, its gonna be hard to win going forward. No one player will make up for all the guys we lost.

Later.

You can't be talking about the play in post #180 because he didn't throw it to his #1 WR. There is no way in hell that McCluster is his #1 WR.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:22 PM
I don't think Cassel can (in the immortal words of Lenny) "survey the field" very well.

So far this year, there are several gif things which clearly demonstrate Cassel throwing the ball to a covered receiver while the wide open guy is completely ignored.

I don't know what his problem is. But, in this league, you have to be able to find the open guy ... and throw the screen pass.

I was listening to Jaycee Pearson earlier today and (although, since he's a paid commentator, I admittedly take much of his verbiage with a grain of salt) he said Cassel is throwing the ball about as poorly as it can be thrown - including the short passes - his forte ... or words to that effect. He attributes this sad fact to "lack of confidence".

I don't understand that problem. The Chiefs have done nothing but try bolster Cassel's confidence at every step along the way. They acquired him, paid him, refused to challenge him with competition, supported him publicly, hired Weis, then Zorn, and bought him a brand new binkie.

I am simply astonished that persons of good will and contemplative ability continue to place the core of our offensive woes elsewhere. Cassel may be a nice guy but, as a football player, he is a walking pile of dog crap.

FAX

Another good point you brought up Fax.

Cassel has been surrounded by nothing but the best mentors his entire career, and is still performing like garbage.

He got to sit behind

Tom Brady
Carson Palmer

Then he was coached by:

Bill Bilichick
Josh McDaniels
Charlie Wies
Jim Zorn
Chan Gailey

That's a damn good list to have if you wanna develop a young QB. I mean, does it get any better than that?

Who the hell else would you want developing your QB? That's some of the best coaching money could buy right there.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:23 PM
Post 180

We are talking about 2 different plays.

Dont really matter though. This is less about isolating the problems with the Chiefs and more about roasting a single player. I really dont get into that. I personally thing they are all ltrying thier best. They are either good enough or not. But I dont axe grind. Its to subjective when it comes to QBs anyway. Unless you see what he sees, know what the play calls were to start with, and the comfort level he has with the players, then there is no way for me to know every variable of a play.

I'll end it here.

As many injuries as we have suffered, its gonna be hard to win going forward. No one player will make up for all the guys we lost.

Later.

Dude there is no way McCluster was his #1. He's not even a WR FFS.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:24 PM
I don't think Cassel can (in the immortal words of Lenny) "survey the field" very well.

So far this year, there are several gif things which clearly demonstrate Cassel throwing the ball to a covered receiver while the wide open guy is completely ignored.

I don't know what his problem is. But, in this league, you have to be able to find the open guy ... and throw the screen pass.

I was listening to Jaycee Pearson earlier today and (although, since he's a paid commentator, I admittedly take much of his verbiage with a grain of salt) he said Cassel is throwing the ball about as poorly as it can be thrown - including the short passes - his forte ... or words to that effect. He attributes this sad fact to "lack of confidence".


I don't understand that problem. The Chiefs have done nothing but try bolster Cassel's confidence at every step along the way. They acquired him, paid him, refused to challenge him with competition, supported him publicly, hired Weis, then Zorn, and bought him a brand new binkie.

I am simply astonished that persons of good will and contemplative ability continue to place the core of our offensive woes elsewhere. Cassel may be a nice guy but, as a football player, he is a walking pile of dog crap.

FAX

Im simply stating that he's not the only problem. I cant get anyone to agree with that. What gives?

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:24 PM
Im simply stating that he's not the only problem. I cant get anyone to agree with that. What gives?

Because he IS the problem.....by a LARGE fucking margin.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:25 PM
Dude there is no way McCluster was his #1. He's not even a WR FFS.

Post 180

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:27 PM
Because he IS the problem.....by a LARGE ****ing margin.

Not the only problem

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:27 PM
Post 180

THAT'S NOT HIS #1 TARGET.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:28 PM
Im simply stating that he's not the only problem. I cant get anyone to agree with that. What gives?

I already agreed with you on that. What I am saying is that he's by far and large the BIGGEST problem. And he COULD and SHOULD be the Biggest Solution.

A great QB is a Jokers wild. It'll trump anything.

Exhibit A: Colts

B: When Rodgers pass protection breaks down quickly, he avoids the rush and makes a play downfield.

C: Big Ben has had notoriously bad lines and before Mike Wallace his wr's were very "meh", yet how many rings does he have?

D: What about Brady? How many rings did he win with nothing but scrubs to throw to?

E: Rivers completed passes to 17 different recievers last season. No Jackson? No Gates? No Floyd? No Nanee? NO PROBLEM. Top scoring O in the NFL.


See our point now?

FAX
09-26-2011, 06:28 PM
Im simply stating that he's not the only problem. I cant get anyone to agree with that. What gives?

I think most people agree that we have multiple issues, Mr. CrazyHorse.

However, it's been my experience that, when you place a giant, stinky, elephant turd next to a dinky, little, mite turd, the elephant turd gets the most attention ... unless you have some kind of obsessive mite turd fetish. And, that's rare. Most people with obsessive mite turd fetishes get shot by a drunken Chinese lesbian prostitute before they make it out of puberty.

FAX

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:28 PM
Not the only problem

There is never just one problem on a losing team.

But Cassel is the major problem. HE HANDCUFFS THE OFFENSE. HE CAN'T KEEP THE DEFENSE OFF OF THE FIELD. HE MAKES THE O-LINE LOOK WORSE THAN IT REALLY IS.

BossChief
09-26-2011, 06:29 PM
Seriously, if this is all we are ever gonna get from Cassel...put Stanzi in at the bye and play for the future.

By then, he should know enough of the playbook to run an offense that includes just as much as we used against SD...but will take shots and make defenses defened the whole field.

He will also make the correctable mistakes that rookies need to make ON THE FIELD, IN REAL GAMES to grow as players.

Hold on, scratch that.

Put Palko in at the bye and give him the keys for a couple weeks to FAIL and get us a couple more losses...SFL...then put Stanzi in week 9 at home against Miami and let him go the rest of the way unless he gets hurt.

That would give Stanzi two weeks to play at home (against Miami and Denver) and get the butterflies out before we go the New England to start an awfully tough stretch of games.

At the same time as Stanzi takes over, move Hudson into the starting lineup and Baldwin should be either ready, or damn close.

The rest is just frosting.

Lets hope Cassel goes back to his backup ways and is a good soldier.

Count Alex's Wins
09-26-2011, 06:29 PM
Rather than wait for his downfield routes to develop, he panics and checks down. He doesn't have the ability to scan the field.


Cassel didn't even have to wait.

If he had seen the receiver breaking open he could have released that ball at the same time.

His field vision sucks.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:31 PM
Cassel didn't even have to wait.

If he had seen the receiver breaking open he could have released that ball at the same time.

His field vision sucks.

Also true.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:32 PM
There is never just one problem on a losing team.

But Cassel is the major problem. HE HANDCUFFS THE OFFENSE. HE CAN'T KEEP THE DEFENSE OFF OF THE FIELD. HE MAKES THE O-LINE LOOK WORSE THAN IT REALLY IS.

This qb took the pats to 11-5

Why didnt he do allllllll that, to them?

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:35 PM
This qb took the pats to 11-5

Why didnt he do allllllll that, to them?

:facepalm:

We're back to this fucking argument?

Fuck it.....I'm done.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-26-2011, 06:37 PM
Crazy, Haley is being forced to run a "Herm" style of offense. Why is that?

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:37 PM
:facepalm:

We're back to this ****ing argument?

**** it.....I'm done.

Translation, I dunno.

bowener
09-26-2011, 06:40 PM
Jesus fucking christ there is one dumb motherfucker in here.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:41 PM
Crazy, Haley is being forced to run a "Herm" style of offense. Why is that?

2 reasons. Cassels play. And he might not be any smarter than Herm Edwards.

Everyone keeps coming back like Im defending Cassels play. Which means, they're not paying attention. That last post was for those doing the latter. Might as well have em chase thier tail if theyre no smarter than that.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:42 PM
Jesus ****ing christ there is one dumb mother****er in here.So Cassel is the only problem with this team? Or are you the dumb motherfucker? Just checkin

Nightfyre
09-26-2011, 06:44 PM
This qb took the pats to 11-5

Why didnt he do allllllll that, to them?

How many sacks did he take that year? What was that teams record with Brady the year prior? These are important factors here.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:47 PM
How many sacks did he take that year? What was that teams record with Brady the year prior? These are important factors here.Not really

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:49 PM
Not really

Yeah....really.

BossChief
09-26-2011, 06:49 PM
Translation, I dunno.

19-0 team
best deep ball receiver of all time
possibly the best slot receiver of our generation, at least.
Lots of safety net style players
A team operating at a very high level around him
Top ten defense
Great coaching

Count Alex's Wins
09-26-2011, 06:50 PM
Simple answer why we're over-focusing on the QB:

Until that position is fixed, the Chiefs are going nowhere.

http://i51.tinypic.com/mbj2xk.jpg

BossChief
09-26-2011, 06:52 PM
Not really

Matt Cassel took more sacks that year than Brady took the year before AND the year after COMBINED

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:53 PM
19-0 team
best deep ball receiver of all time
possibly the best slot receiver of our generation, at least.
Lots of safety net style players
A team operating at a very high level around him
Top ten defense
Great coaching

Yeah. Well the arguement was that ...

But Cassel is the major problem. HE HANDCUFFS THE OFFENSE. HE CAN'T KEEP THE DEFENSE OFF OF THE FIELD. HE MAKES THE O-LINE LOOK WORSE THAN IT REALLY IS.

Im asking, if he does all that with us (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) why didn't he do that with them? (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE)

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 06:54 PM
Imagine how many yards Bowe could put up with a QB that could get him the ball downfield? He's open deep at least several times a game by a country mile.I can't blame Bowe for his frustration, he has improved tremendously, and Haley was on his ass to do it.

But at the same time, Cassel has been coddled and he has not improved.

One has talent, proved it in College, the other one did not.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:54 PM
Matt Cassel took more sacks that year than Brady took the year before AND the year after COMBINED

So.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:55 PM
Im asking, if he does all that with us (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) why didn't he do that with them? (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE) (BEING THE ONLY PROBLEM THE CHIEFS HAVE)

WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THIS?

It's like you're arguing with yourself here. WHO? WHO has said Cassel is the only problem?

I'll tell you who: NOBODY. NO ONE SAID THAT. NO ONE.

Count Alex's Wins
09-26-2011, 06:55 PM
Im asking, if he does all that with us why didn't he do that with them?

He did, to a certain degree.

The Patriots deep passing game went to shit. Cassel couldn't hit a pass over 20 yards to save his life.

He took a lot of sacks.

He failed in games against good teams.

The Patriots were able to mask a lot of his issues because of talent and coaching. The Chiefs don't have that talent or that coaching.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 06:56 PM
So.

SOOOO....

It means that he still played like shit and the problems that he had there carried over here.

Difference? We're not the Patriots and we don't have the depth or all world players to mask that shit.

Pestilence
09-26-2011, 06:57 PM
WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THIS?

It's like you're arguing with yourself here. WHO? WHO has said Cassel is the only problem?

I'll tell you who: NOBODY. NO ONE SAID THAT. NO ONE.

Oh...and here is my post before he says it was me.

There is never just one problem on a losing team.

But Cassel is the major problem. HE HANDCUFFS THE OFFENSE. HE CAN'T KEEP THE DEFENSE OFF OF THE FIELD. HE MAKES THE O-LINE LOOK WORSE THAN IT REALLY IS.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 06:58 PM
Simple answer why we're over-focusing on the QB:

Until that position is fixed, the Chiefs are going nowhere.

http://i51.tinypic.com/mbj2xk.jpg

i think it will just uncover another problem. Just ask our revolvong offensive coordintors. The offense was better with Wiess. It was better with Gailey. Now it looks like we are starting over again. Its frustrating.

I appreciate you at least recognizing what Im talking about.

Count Alex's Wins
09-26-2011, 06:59 PM
Cassel hated the QB Vision feature in Madden 2006.

LMAO

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/870/unled3ws.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/unled3ws.jpg/)

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 07:00 PM
Oh...and here is my post before he says it was me.

I'm pretty sure I have several posts in this thread saying the exact same thing.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 07:00 PM
LMAO

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/870/unled3ws.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/unled3ws.jpg/)

Shoulda made it a little more narrow....

HemiEd
09-26-2011, 07:02 PM
Imagine how many yards Bowe could put up with a QB that could get him the ball downfield? He's open deep at least several times a game by a country mile.I can't blame Bowe for his frustration, he has improved tremendously, and Haley was on his ass to do it.

But at the same time, Cassel has been coddled and he has not improved.

One has talent, proved it in College, the other one did not.

O.city
09-26-2011, 07:02 PM
Here's a question: What makes everyone think Bowe wants to stay here. He has vastly improved. He is a good route runner, and has cut way down on the drop balls. He makes at least 1 circus catch per game and has had to suffer thru three of the worst qbs in the league. We better franchise him or give him a bigger deal than anyone else will. If we some how do get Luck, Bowe has a chance to go to the top level of wr. He can't do that with the qb we have now and that is a shame to Dwayne. He has a right to be pissed.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 07:02 PM
i think it will just uncover another problem. Just ask our revolvong offensive coordintors. The offense was better with Wiess. It was better with Gailey. Now it looks like we are starting over again. Its frustrating.

I appreciate you at least recognizing what Im talking about.

We all recognize what you're saying. I think you're underestimating the value of the QB though.

CrazyHorse
09-26-2011, 07:03 PM
WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THIS?

It's like you're arguing with yourself here. WHO? WHO has said Cassel is the only problem?

I'll tell you who: NOBODY. NO ONE SAID THAT. NO ONE.

You keep argueing. The only thing we can agree on is that Cassel has played poorly. You disagree with everything else and go on to trash Cassel even further.

You.....thats who.

If you dont disagree, quit argueing.

Detoxing
09-26-2011, 07:03 PM
Here's a question: What makes everyone think Bowe wants to stay here. He has vastly improved. He is a good route runner, and has cut way down on the drop balls. He makes at least 1 circus catch per game and has had to suffer thru three of the worst qbs in the league. We better franchise him or give him a bigger deal than anyone else will. If we some how do get Luck, Bowe has a chance to go to the top level of wr. He can't do that with the qb we have now and that is a shame to Dwayne. He has a right to be pissed.

I'll sum it up for you:


Franchise Tag.


Next question please.

O.city
09-26-2011, 07:05 PM
We all recognize what you're saying. I think you're underestimating the value of the QB though.

I think you are right. I think it will be the other way around. A good qb will mask SO much other stuff. TBH the offensive line we have right now is playing much better than the one last year. Matt had all day to throw yesterday.

Look at Rothlisberger. That line is shit and he makes it work.

O.city
09-26-2011, 07:05 PM
I'll sum it up for you:


Franchise Tag.


Next question please.

I really hope we do. TBH he deserves whatever he gets in my book. He has worked his ass off and became a very good player.