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whoman69
10-07-2011, 06:07 PM
I've been a Chiefs fan a long time. I started watching football in 1970 and was interested in the defending champion Chiefs because they had a running back from Iowa named Eddie Podolak. I believe a lot of pain since then has come from the draft where the Chiefs have been pretty poor in evaluating talent, especially in trying to get a franchise QB. Most people would point to 1983 and the fact that we got Todd Blackledge in a draft deep in QB talent.

In the past I have run a game which can recreate seasons with starting points in 1970 and 1979. 1970 is a year in which the Chiefs started their downward slide because they were not able to draft young talent effectively. I'd like to do the 1979 season again giving updates to everyone on how the season is going.

Well start first with the draft. I will be trying to do this by trying to keep enough of the original flavor of the Chiefs and bringing in talent to supplement what they had. I'm not going to draft every HOFer and call it a day. I welcome your comments on how things are going.

Rain Man
10-07-2011, 06:10 PM
Works for me.

Rausch
10-07-2011, 06:29 PM
What about drafting the same positions as were drafted only perhaps better players?

So we still take a LB round 1, still take a S round 2, etc...

whoman69
10-07-2011, 06:36 PM
1979 the Chiefs were coming off another disappointing season at 4-12. They finished 24th in scoring offense and 22nd in points allowed. It was clear that the Mike Livingston era was not a success. The QB was drafted 10 years earlier from SMU and made the heir to Len Dawson never caught on.

They did still have some talent in Gary Barbaro, Gary Spani and Art Still on defense, but several holes in the line and linebacking corps. They also lacked a receiving corps as running backs were their top receivers in the previous year. Coach Marv Levy would need some help in many places in his second year at the helm.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 06:37 PM
What about drafting the same positions as were drafted only perhaps better players?

So we still take a LB round 1, still take a S round 2, etc...

That might be difficult to go with as there were trades for players and there might not be a better solution later in that same round.

Guru
10-07-2011, 06:42 PM
Just draft a QB and see what happens.

loochy
10-07-2011, 06:45 PM
Shakedown 1979, cool kids never have the time
On a live wire right up off the street
You and I should meet
Junebug skipping like a stone
With the headlights pointed at the dawn
We were sure we'd never see an end to it all
And I don't even care to shake these zipper blues
And we don't know
Just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below

Double cross the vacant and the bored
They're not sure just what we have in store
Morphine city slipping dues down to see
That we don't even care as restless as we are
We feel the pull in the land of a thousand guilts
And poured cement, lamented and assured
To the lights and towns below
Faster than the speed of sound
Faster than we thought we'd go, beneath the sound of hope
Justine never knew the rules,
Hung down with the freaks and the ghouls
No apologies ever need be made, I know you better than you fake it
To see that we don't even care to shake these zipper blues

And we don't know just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below
The street heats the urgency of now
As you see there's no one around

dude srsly
10-07-2011, 06:51 PM
Shakedown 1979, cool kids never have the time
On a live wire right up off the street
You and I should meet
Junebug skipping like a stone
With the headlights pointed at the dawn
We were sure we'd never see an end to it all
And I don't even care to shake these zipper blues
And we don't know
Just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below

Double cross the vacant and the bored
They're not sure just what we have in store
Morphine city slipping dues down to see
That we don't even care as restless as we are
We feel the pull in the land of a thousand guilts
And poured cement, lamented and assured
To the lights and towns below
Faster than the speed of sound
Faster than we thought we'd go, beneath the sound of hope
Justine never knew the rules,
Hung down with the freaks and the ghouls
No apologies ever need be made, I know you better than you fake it
To see that we don't even care to shake these zipper blues

And we don't know just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below
The street heats the urgency of now
As you see there's no one around

I'd rep this, but I'm a n00b.

loochy
10-07-2011, 06:52 PM
I'd rep this, but I'm a n00b.

you get some n00brep

whoman69
10-07-2011, 06:54 PM
Just draft a QB and see what happens.

The GM is keeping his cards close to his vest.

dude srsly
10-07-2011, 06:57 PM
I'll kill you if you don't draft the notre dame qb in the third round. jamie montanya I think.

Rain Man
10-07-2011, 07:00 PM
I'll kill you if you don't draft the notre dame qb in the third round. jamie montanya I think.


Nah. Too small and doesn't have a big arm. Dan Manucci is a much better prospect.

Pawnmower
10-07-2011, 07:00 PM
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Shakedown 1979, cool kids never have the time
On a live wire right up off the street
You and I should meet
Junebug skipping like a stone
With the headlights pointed at the dawn
We were sure we'd never see an end to it all
And I don't even care to shake these zipper blues
And we don't know
Just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below

Double cross the vacant and the bored
They're not sure just what we have in store
Morphine city slipping dues down to see
That we don't even care as restless as we are
We feel the pull in the land of a thousand guilts
And poured cement, lamented and assured
To the lights and towns below
Faster than the speed of sound
Faster than we thought we'd go, beneath the sound of hope
Justine never knew the rules,
Hung down with the freaks and the ghouls
No apologies ever need be made, I know you better than you fake it
To see that we don't even care to shake these zipper blues

And we don't know just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below
The street heats the urgency of now
As you see there's no one around

Rain Man
10-07-2011, 07:03 PM
I think you should limit the redraft to letting them pick someone who went in the subsequent five picks or so. It's probably unrealistic to assume that the Chiefs would reach two rounds down to draft Montana in the first round, for example. But if you look at the five picks behind their pick, those are probably reasonable candidates who were on their draft board.

Heh. The next five picks in the first round after Steve Fuller were:

24 24 Jon Giesler Dolphins T Michigan
25 25 Rick Sanford Patriots DB South Carolina
26 26 Kent Hill Rams T Georgia Tech
27 27 Robert Shaw Cowboys C Tennessee
28 28 Greg Hawthorne Steelers RB Baylor

I think Kent Hill was pretty good (edit: just looked him up and he was a five-time pro bowler), but I've never heard of these other guys. Maybe Fuller wasn't that bad a pick given the environment.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Historically this was our draft:

1 2 Mike Bell DE 08/30/1957 Colorado State
1 23 Steve Fuller QB 01/05/1957 Clemson
4 85 Frank Manumaleuga LB 05/09/1956 San Jose State
5 112 Earl Gant RB 07/06/1957 Missouri
6 140 Robert Gaines WR 04/14/1957 Washington
7 167 Ken Kremer DT 07/16/1957 Ball State
8 195 Mike Williams RB 10/14/1957 New Mexico
8 218 Robert Brewer OG 12/10/1956 Temple
9 222 James Folston TE 09/06/1956 Cameron
9 229 Joe Robinson OT 10/10/1956 Ohio State
10 251 Michael DuPree LB 08/06/1957 Florida
10 260 Gerald Jackson DB 03/05/1956 Mississippi State
10 268 Larry Willis WR 11/24/1956 Alcorn State
11 277 Stan Rome WR 06/04/1956 Clemson
12 305 Michael Forrest RB 02/23/1956 Arkansas

We traded Mike Stensrud and the 1980 2nd to get Steve Fuller. Our 3rd was traded for journeyman Stan Johnson.

Al Bundy
10-07-2011, 07:15 PM
1979 works for me... Tampa Bay clinched the NFC North against the Chiefs that year.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:19 PM
I think you should limit the redraft to letting them pick someone who went in the subsequent five picks or so. It's probably unrealistic to assume that the Chiefs would reach two rounds down to draft Montana in the first round, for example. But if you look at the five picks behind their pick, those are probably reasonable candidates who were on their draft board.

Heh. The next five picks in the first round after Steve Fuller were:

24 24 Jon Giesler Dolphins T Michigan
25 25 Rick Sanford Patriots DB South Carolina
26 26 Kent Hill Rams T Georgia Tech
27 27 Robert Shaw Cowboys C Tennessee
28 28 Greg Hawthorne Steelers RB Baylor

I think Kent Hill was pretty good (edit: just looked him up and he was a five-time pro bowler), but I've never heard of these other guys. Maybe Fuller wasn't that bad a pick given the environment.

I will try to keep as close to the original pick as possible. Fuller came to us in a trade, so since I won't be trading for Steve, I will use our 2nd round pick.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:20 PM
Nah. Too small and doesn't have a big arm. Dan Manucci is a much better prospect.

That's the report we hear as well. That and he has chicken legs.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:24 PM
The Buffalo Bills have drafted with the top overall pick in the draft Tom Cousineau, linebacker from Ohio State. The Kansas City Chiefs are on the board.

Rain Man
10-07-2011, 07:26 PM
Historically this was our draft:

1 2 Mike Bell DE 08/30/1957 Colorado State



Throwin' Samoan! Throwin' Samoan!

In reality, though, Phil Simms should've been our QB in a "slightly smarter Chiefs" scenario, I guess.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:34 PM
Chiefs fans seem to be chanting for the big arm QB from Washington State. The commissioner is now at the podium.

With the second selection of the 1979 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs draft Mike Bell, DE from Colorado State.

Looks like the Chiefs are looking to shore up that defensive front.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:40 PM
Chiefs next selection is in the second round pick # 31.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:50 PM
Rumor was the Chiefs were possibly interested in moving up to the Oilers spot at # 23, but no action took place. The Oilers drafted Mike Stensrud from Iowa State. We will wait to see what the Chiefs do in round 2.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 07:55 PM
With the 31st pick in the 1979 NFL Draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Bob Golic, Defensive Tackle from Notre Dame. Their next selection is in the 3rd round in position #58.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 08:50 PM
With the 58th pick of the 1979 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Joe Montana, quarterback, Notre Dame.


This is a horrible pick. This guy doesn't have the body to stand up to the pounding of an NFL season. I'm predicting a bust here. They'd have been much better off going with Steve Fuller from Clemson.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 09:16 PM
With the 85th pick of the 1979 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Roy Green, wide receiver from Henderson State.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 09:25 PM
With the 112th pick of the draft in the 5th round the Chiefs select Ron Springs RB from Ohio State.

With the 140th pick in the 6th round the Chiefs select Ken Kremer, DE Ball State.

milkman
10-07-2011, 09:31 PM
I'm curious to know what you think this exercise in futility is accomplishing?

ClevelandBronco
10-07-2011, 09:39 PM
With the 58th pick of the 1979 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Joe Montana, quarterback, Notre Dame.


This is a horrible pick. This guy doesn't have the body to stand up to the pounding of an NFL season. I'm predicting a bust here. They'd have been much better off going with Steve Fuller from Clemson.

You poor sons of bitches are still trying to make that work out for you.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 09:43 PM
I'm curious to know what you think this exercise in futility is accomplishing?

What does any game really accomplish? But if I think I'm really close on the flux capacitor.

After this is finished the games will be played and described here.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 09:48 PM
With the 167th pick of the draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Max Montoya, offensive tackle from UCLA.

With the 195th pick in the 8th round, the Chiefs select Dwight Clark, wide receiver Clemson.

ClevelandBronco
10-07-2011, 09:52 PM
Golic destroyed Montana's knee in a still-mysterious shower incident in training camp during their rookie seasons with the Chiefs. With a knee that would never again support his full weight, Montana was released before ever playing a regular season down. After gender reassignment surgery, Golic entered a convent where she served as a bouncer.

whoman69
10-07-2011, 09:57 PM
Remaining picks include John Spagnola, Stan Rome and Dave Becker.

Guru
10-07-2011, 10:05 PM
I'll kill you if you don't draft the notre dame qb in the third round. jamie montanya I think.

That was my point. heh

Guru
10-07-2011, 10:07 PM
What does any game really accomplish? But if I think I'm really close on the flux capacitor.

After this is finished the games will be played and described here.
If only we could go back and change a little Chiefs history.:(