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Count Zarth
10-09-2011, 12:19 PM
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:20 PM
Not sure it's all his fault but this team sucks and we know Piloi isn't going anywhere.

Trevo_410
10-09-2011, 12:20 PM
pioli should be booted as well

KC kid
10-09-2011, 12:21 PM
With the bye next week, I think he is fired tomorrow.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:21 PM
pioli should be booted as well

Piloi will get one more coach before he goes on the block.

Count Zarth
10-09-2011, 12:21 PM
pioli should be booted as well

Guaranteed contract.

HoneyBadger
10-09-2011, 12:22 PM
Piloi will get one more coach before he goes on the block.

and one more draft... :banghead:

BryanBusby
10-09-2011, 12:23 PM
I don't think so. He will survive to the end, even though he should be gone as soon as the game ends.

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 12:24 PM
LOL at gofraud.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:24 PM
Make sure we give them time to review it, Haley....JFC!

Demonpenz
10-09-2011, 12:25 PM
I think we come back in this game. Our Defense doesn't suck this bad

Demonpenz
10-09-2011, 12:25 PM
2 broke girls. Which girl has the giant bush.

O.city
10-09-2011, 12:26 PM
I like Haley but if the team keeps this effort on the field he has to go.

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 12:28 PM
I'd be surprised, but whatever.

Buck
10-09-2011, 12:29 PM
For who? Crennel?

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:29 PM
BREASTON!!!

BWillie
10-09-2011, 12:30 PM
Zero chance Haley gets fired until at least middle of the season next year

BigChiefFan
10-09-2011, 12:31 PM
Haley will be here next year, too.

milkman
10-09-2011, 12:37 PM
For who? Crennel?

I want Crennel gone.

This soft zone-man, no blitz schem is just getting eaten alive by an inexperienced QB.

Bewbies
10-09-2011, 12:39 PM
I want Crennel gone.

This soft zone-man, no blitz schem is just getting eaten alive by an inexperienced QB.

Me too. Bring someone in who attacks on D.

Hog Farmer
10-09-2011, 12:39 PM
Cassel is the only thing holding this team back. When he has a fire lit under his ass he performs but other than that he's out there to draw a paycheck. I like Haley and am sure he's really frustrated with the QB we have.

teedubya
10-09-2011, 12:39 PM
Haley looks homeless out there. I want to give him my spare change.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:40 PM
I want Crennel gone.

This soft zone-man, no blitz schem is just getting eaten alive by an inexperienced QB.

If he wants to play zone he needs to switch us back to a 4-3. You don't play zone in a 3-4...it's a blitzing defense.

Discuss Thrower
10-09-2011, 12:41 PM
Haley looks homeless out there. I want to give him my spare change.

Maybe that's his way of insuring some severance pay from Kansas City?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-09-2011, 12:42 PM
If he wants to play zone he needs to switch us back to a 4-3. You don't play zone in a 3-4...it's a blitzing defense.

I guess you've never seen a Dick LeBeau defense.

HoneyBadger
10-09-2011, 12:43 PM
If he wants to play zone he needs to switch us back to a 4-3. You don't play zone in a 3-4...it's a blitzing defense.

And we don't have the talent to actually blitz the QB

King_Chief_Fan
10-09-2011, 12:43 PM
I want Crennel gone.

This soft zone-man, no blitz schem is just getting eaten alive by an inexperienced QB.
the most accurate post

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-09-2011, 12:44 PM
And we don't have the talent to actually blitz the QB

:spock:

You blitz when you don't have talent.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:44 PM
I guess you've never seen a Dick LeBeau defense.

I'm sure I have. I am just saying the majority of successfull 3-4's blitz a lot. Pittsburgh, NY Jets, the old Chiefs. The 3-4 is a pass defense by design and that means you have to bring pressure from anywhere and everywhere.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:45 PM
And we don't have the talent to actually blitz the QB

Sure we do. DJ, Hali, Houston, all can bring it.

milkman
10-09-2011, 12:45 PM
I guess you've never seen a Dick LeBeau defense.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a 2 deep zone, a cover 1, or any other zone, or combination of man and zone.

But you simply can not give the QB all day in the pocket in today's NFL.

LeBeau runs a lot of zone as you point out, but he attacks the QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-09-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm sure I have. I am just saying the majority of successfull 3-4's blitz a lot. Pittsburgh, NY Jets, the old Chiefs. The 3-4 is a pass defense by design and that means you have to bring pressure from anywhere and everywhere.

Well, that completely went over your head.

Pittsburgh runs a blitzing D whose coverage in the back end is predominantly Cover 3.

You can run a blitzing D and still play zone, they aren't mutually exclusive.

O.city
10-09-2011, 12:47 PM
We def. need to blitz the passer, with more than just Tamba. He needs to unleash Houston a little bit and see what we have there.

petegz28
10-09-2011, 12:47 PM
Well, that completely went over your head.

Pittsburgh runs a blitzing D whose coverage in the back end is predominantly Cover 3.

You can run a blitzing D and still play zone, they aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't have a problem with a zone blitz.

O.city
10-09-2011, 12:47 PM
Well, that completely went over your head.

Pittsburgh runs a blitzing D whose coverage in the back end is predominantly Cover 3.

You can run a blitzing D and still play zone, they aren't mutually exclusive.

We have good corners too. While they have been burnt a couple times, even Revis couldn't cover a wr for 5 seconds or more

Demonpenz
10-09-2011, 12:58 PM
Flippin Greg is awesome

HighChief
10-09-2011, 01:07 PM
You are all on crack and look stupid posting this one quarter into a game

milkman
10-09-2011, 01:13 PM
You are all on crack and look stupid posting this one quarter into a game

If we're all on crack, then what'll we care if we look stupid, dumbass?

Discuss Thrower
10-09-2011, 01:15 PM
If we're all on crack, then what'll we care if we look stupid, dumbass?

:rolling:

Count Zarth
10-09-2011, 01:28 PM
You are all on crack and look stupid posting this one quarter into a game

We're losing this game because we fell behind 24-7.

Watch.

chief52
10-09-2011, 01:49 PM
It is amazing how many times this gets posted. No chance in hell Haley goes anywhere before the end of next season at the earliest. No Way!

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-09-2011, 01:52 PM
This thread smells like a lot of fail.

Captain Obvious
10-09-2011, 01:53 PM
u mad bro?

Bacon Cheeseburger
10-09-2011, 01:53 PM
I'm going to go ahead and call it...you're wrong.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-09-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm going to go ahead and call it...you're wrong.

He can just throw it on the pile

chasedude
10-09-2011, 02:00 PM
WTF? lol

Another stupid thread from the token jackass of the planet.

cabletech94
10-09-2011, 02:03 PM
if haley isn't careful, he may lose jackie battle.

Pawnmower
10-09-2011, 02:06 PM
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA


:clap:

Nice Call, Nostradipshit!


http://gorightly.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/610x.jpg

FAX
10-09-2011, 02:18 PM
Edgar KC with another shot in the dark.

FAX

Demonpenz
10-09-2011, 02:19 PM
if he wasn't wrong so many times. I would nom nom nom nominate this thread as hall of fame

King_Chief_Fan
10-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.

it is pretty clear that you are an idiot

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Fail

NJChiefsFan
10-09-2011, 02:22 PM
We're losing this game because we fell behind 24-7.

Watch.

:hmmm:

tecumseh
10-09-2011, 02:24 PM
Nope, maybe,MAYBE, during offseason, but I wouldn't put money on that either.

pr_capone
10-09-2011, 02:24 PM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA


:clap:

Nice Call, Nostradipshit!


http://gorightly.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/610x.jpg

How in the fuck do you know who Walter Mercado is?!?!?

My grandmother used to watch his show ALL the time.

KCChiefsFan88
10-09-2011, 02:25 PM
The fact the Chiefs looked totally unprepared and were getting blitzed out of the stadium by Painter is more glaring than the Chiefs staging a comeback against a hapless Colts team.

McCluster is absolute garbage, Barry Richardson is trash, Pioli is hapless, Cassel still throws checkdown passes on 3rd and long and Haley looks like a homeless bum.

And on top of all that the Chiefs just blew their realistic shot of getting Luck.

AWFUL.

tk13
10-09-2011, 02:27 PM
Belichick looks like a homeless bum every week and he's won 3 Super Bowls.

jd1020
10-09-2011, 02:27 PM
The fact the Chiefs looked totally unprepared and were getting blitzed out of the stadium by Painter is more glaring than the Chiefs staging a comeback against a hapless Colts team.

McCluster is absolute garbage, Barry Richardson is trash, Pioli is hapless, Cassel still throws checkdown passes on 3rd and long and Haley looks like a homeless bum.

And on top of all that the Chiefs just blew their realistic shot of getting Luck.

AWFUL.

Better go jump on the Colts bandwagon.

threebag02
10-09-2011, 02:30 PM
If your jumping better go chin first.

lcarus
10-09-2011, 02:32 PM
Bit premature dude...

big nasty kcnut
10-09-2011, 02:34 PM
How in the fuck do you know who Walter Mercado is?!?!?

My grandmother used to watch his show ALL the time.


i know it walter mercado is it a woman man what the fudge dude.

Pawnmower
10-09-2011, 02:46 PM
How in the **** do you know who Walter Mercado is?!?!?

My grandmother used to watch his show ALL the time.

hahaha

Dude I live in California.....there are so many hot Latinas, great mexican restaurants...it is a crime to not speak a little spanish and immerse in the mexican culture even just a tiny bit if you are out here...

IMO anyhow

Bowser
10-09-2011, 02:46 PM
We're losing this game because we fell behind 24-7.

Watch.

http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/demotivational/78_boom-headshot.gif

Pawnmower
10-09-2011, 02:46 PM
i know it walter mercado is it a woman man what the fudge dude.

Well..

Like the shaman, and the witch doctor of ages gone by...it could be a 'special' type of person with both parts.

chasedude
10-09-2011, 02:47 PM
http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/demotivational/78_boom-headshot.gif

LMAO

Pawnmower
10-09-2011, 02:47 PM
i know it walter mercado is it a woman man what the fudge dude.

whats your sign I will see if I can get Mercado do do a reading for you.

Okie_Apparition
10-09-2011, 02:48 PM
CoMo vs GoChiefs
the record must be close

Bwana
10-09-2011, 02:49 PM
FAIL!

|Zach|
10-09-2011, 03:32 PM
:)

HBKChiefs
10-09-2011, 03:36 PM
If Clay is not the definition of "fair weather fan", I don't know what is. This thread is a prime example... CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FringeNC
10-09-2011, 03:37 PM
I'm going to go ahead and call it -- we will stop hearing the idiocy about how devastating the loss of Charlie Weis was. This is the same offense - can look really good against bad Ds, but really sucks against good ones.

Chieftain58
10-09-2011, 03:38 PM
Well, Pioli will keep him another week now!

jspchief
10-09-2011, 03:40 PM
2 broke girls. Which girl has the giant bush.

The dark haired one has a Hitler, the blonde has jungle bush.

crazycoffey
10-09-2011, 03:45 PM
Bit premature dude...


a problem he should be getting used to now....

notorious
10-09-2011, 03:46 PM
That was a tremendous swing and miss, Clay.

Smed1065
10-09-2011, 03:46 PM
Can we ban him for BS he thinks will get post?

Marcellus
10-09-2011, 03:47 PM
We would have been better off had Clay started a no way we get Luck campaign.

Dude is wrong more than he is right.

Except on McCluster.

O.city
10-09-2011, 03:47 PM
For all the crap Haley took early this year, and I know it's still really early, but if he gets this team with all it's injuries to say 8 or 9 wins I would call it a major success.

rocknrolla
10-09-2011, 03:48 PM
Haley looks homeless out there. I want to give him my spare change.

That is when he is at his best. All methed up and homeless looking.

Rausch
10-09-2011, 03:48 PM
It is amazing how many times this gets posted. No chance in hell Haley goes anywhere before the end of next season at the earliest. No Way!

He's gone this offseason...

O.city
10-09-2011, 03:49 PM
There is no way Haley is gone after this season. He will last atleast until next year.

Rausch
10-09-2011, 03:51 PM
There is no way Haley is gone after this season. He will last atleast until next year.

Yeah, that's what I said.







:spock:

O.city
10-09-2011, 03:55 PM
I meant atleast until during next season.

Psyko Tek
10-09-2011, 04:06 PM
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.

are you really this stupid
or you just doing this for attention?

doubt you are this stupid from your gif work
but jebus,dude
get a life
or at least post more on the mane or a raiders board

Mr. Laz
10-09-2011, 04:06 PM
CoMo vs GoChiefs
the record must be close:clap: :) ROFL LMAO

Mr. Laz
10-09-2011, 04:07 PM
There is no way Haley is gone after this season. He will last atleast until next year.

He will if the team is the 2nd half Chiefs of today and not the 1st half.


Game of two teams ... i dunno why. :shrug:

O.city
10-09-2011, 04:09 PM
If the 2nd half chiefs show up for the rest of the year, we might win 7 or 8 games. First half we might not score another td.

chasedude
10-09-2011, 04:42 PM
Can we ban him for BS he thinks will get post?

With his reputation for disinformation? Lifetime Ban!

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 06:07 PM
Thread is Mis-leading. He should be banned.

Rausch
10-09-2011, 06:09 PM
With his reputation for disinformation? Lifetime Ban!

His dumbassery deserves it.

But a HC prediction?...

Count Zarth
10-09-2011, 06:24 PM
I stand by what I said.

Within a month.

Come at me, hos.

Guru
10-09-2011, 06:25 PM
I stand by what I said.

Within a month.

Come at me, hos.

I would be thrilled.

Marcellus
10-09-2011, 06:27 PM
I stand by what I said.

Within a month.

Come at me, hos.

Well that seals it. Good for the year at least.

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 06:27 PM
I stand by what I said.

Within a month.

Come at me, hos.

Not happening.

Well, I suppose if the Chiefs are routed in Oakland and embarrassed on Monday night, then its a slight possibility.

O.city
10-09-2011, 06:28 PM
GoChiefs, what would you do if this team went on to win 8 or 9 games and Haley wins coach of the year? Won't happen but if it did would you jump back on ship?

Count Zarth
10-09-2011, 06:29 PM
GoChiefs, what would you do if this team went on to win 8 or 9 games and Haley wins coach of the year? Won't happen but if it did would you jump back on ship?

No. This team is never winning a championship with beavis and butthead coaching and quarterbacking.

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 06:29 PM
I would be thrilled.
yeah, he did a horrible job coaching the team to a comeback... :rolleyes:

Lets go back to a boring coach like Herm.

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 06:30 PM
No. This team is never winning a championship with beavis and butthead coaching and quarterbacking.You fail at trying to be a Draftabulator/Four Horseman

Marcellus
10-09-2011, 06:32 PM
No. This team is never winning a championship with beavis and butthead coaching and quarterbacking.

I agree, the QB sucks.

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 06:34 PM
Post like this happen when you beat off to Whitlock columns everyday.

whoman69
10-09-2011, 07:50 PM
The biggest downside to this team is the QB who can at times play well enough for the team to beat lesser teams. I don't see Check Down ever able to win a playoff game. Despite playing better he just doesn't have the physical tools or the skills of a top QB. I think everyone can see that, hopefully even the front office now. I think its also pretty clear that Haley has gotten several players to play up to their abilities whereas Herm never did.

Rausch
10-09-2011, 07:53 PM
No. This team is never winning a championship with beavis and butthead coaching and quarterbacking.

Do you really have an opinion of your own?...

O.city
10-09-2011, 07:54 PM
I'd like to see Pioli hand Todd a franchise qb and see what he could do with all these weapons next year. And don't even have an OC. If Haley wants to do it just fucking do it. Lots of head coaches are the OC. There is no point to all this bull.

chief52
10-09-2011, 08:00 PM
He's gone this offseason...

Well, I sure do not think so. They are going to "hold the course". Haley will be here until at least the end of the 2012 season. Just the way the Chiefs roll IMO.

I actually hope he gets at least another season. Give him a fair shot.

Extra Point
10-09-2011, 08:01 PM
I'd like to see Pioli hand Todd a franchise qb and see what he could do with all these weapons next year. And don't even have an OC. If Haley wants to do it just ****ing do it. Lots of head coaches are the OC. There is no point to all this bull.

Nothing is "handed" to the coach. This is a business-first, ideology-further-down-the-road affair. Did the controller take a pay cut, this year, too? Borrowing from Star Trek: "I ...kind of ...doubt it."

Rausch
10-09-2011, 08:02 PM
I actually hope he gets at least another season. Give him a fair shot.

Herm got a fair shot and so did Haley.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-now-radio/WellBye.jpg

threebag02
10-09-2011, 08:06 PM
I really like the Moxie Haley displays. I would rather see Piolli go and take Cassel with him.

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Herm got a fair shot and so did Haley.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-now-radio/WellBye.jpgStupid. Herm went from 9-7 to 4-12 to 2-14.

Haley was 10-6 last season and now losing 3 key players. Firing him after this is not giving him a fair shot.

Guru
10-09-2011, 08:23 PM
yeah, he did a horrible job coaching the team to a comeback... :rolleyes:

Lets go back to a boring coach like Herm.

Sorry but I never wanted him here and I still don't.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-09-2011, 08:24 PM
Pioli has a decision to make. He's either gotta extend Haley or FAs (and his own players) won't play here next year. No one is gonna come in and play for a lame duck head coach. Pioli has to decide if he wants Haley around longer and if he sees Haley as the answer at coach for our Chiefs for now and the future, or if there's someone else he'd rather give the job to. I would think and hope he's evalutating this as we speak. It's a big decision.

jd1020
10-09-2011, 08:30 PM
Pioli has a decision to make. He's either gotta extend Haley or FAs (and his own players) won't play here next year. No one is gonna come in and play for a lame duck head coach. Pioli has to decide if he wants Haley around longer and if he sees Haley as the answer at coach for our Chiefs for now and the future, or if there's someone else he'd rather give the job to. I would think and hope he's evalutating this as we speak. It's a big decision.

Is that why the Chiefs have locked up nearly every one of the key players on this team? To say people don't want to play for Haley is stupid.

Dave Lane
10-09-2011, 08:41 PM
He's definitely been the nom nom boy of late...

Dave Lane
10-09-2011, 08:42 PM
I really like the Moxie Haley displays. I would rather see Piolli go and take Cassel with him.

THIS

in caps even

Chiefs Pantalones
10-09-2011, 08:44 PM
Is that why the Chiefs have locked up nearly every one of the key players on this team? To say people don't want to play for Haley is stupid.

He's locked them all up because that's part of his job. That's to keep the core players of this franchise, no matter who's head coach. That's not saying Haley doesn't have a say but the ones that Pioli has been extending or re-signing have been no-brainers.

Marcellus
10-09-2011, 08:45 PM
Sorry but I never wanted him here and I still don't.

At least we know you dont have an agenda.

Marcellus
10-09-2011, 08:47 PM
He's locked them all up because that's part of his job. That's to keep the core players of this franchise, no matter who's head coach. That's not saying Haley doesn't have a say but the ones that Pioli has been extending or re-signing have been no-brainers.

So you don't think who they are playing for has an impact on their decision?

Not to mention nobody broke the bank to stay.

Keep your head in the sand.

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 08:49 PM
Since I became a fan in 87. Haley is by far the best coac Lu with crypa vermiel in second place. The other three can burn in a bucketful of flaming aids.

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 08:49 PM
Since I became a fan in 87. Haley is by far the best coach with crypa vermiel in second place. The other three can burn in a bucketful of flaming aids.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-09-2011, 08:51 PM
So you don't think who they are playing for has an impact on their decision?

Nope. Money talks. This isn't 1960. Players want da dough lol. They'll play for Charlie Brown if you pay them. You don't know and I don't know what their demands were.

Dave Lane
10-09-2011, 08:57 PM
I'll call it. I think Haley is gonna be a hell of a head coach. I hope it's here.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-09-2011, 09:04 PM
I'll call it. I think Haley is gonna be a hell of a head coach. I hope it's here.

I do too actually. Hopefully Pioli agrees.

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 10:51 PM
Sorry but I never wanted him here and I still don't.Who did you want them to hire?

Smed1065
10-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.

I am calling it and you are a whore, Let me be clear an attention whore. You suck more than JW and do not realize it. OK you do realize it but what do you have to lose? He gets attention with no knowledge as well.

Guru
10-09-2011, 11:13 PM
Who did you want them to hire?

Does it matter? I just didn't want Haley. I think the guy was a fine OC at Arizona with Warner at the helm but I didn't see head coach in him at all. Look at how many fucking OCs he has gone through here at KC. The guy has to find somebody he can trust but he can't because none of them are him.

ChiefAshhole20
10-09-2011, 11:30 PM
Hey, if continuing to only beat the teams that were worse than us allowed Haley to keep his job last year, why wouldn't he keep it this year? Add that with the injuries KC has been hit with, I believe that should equal at least another year for Pioli to see what he's capable of.

aturnis
10-09-2011, 11:31 PM
Does it matter? I just didn't want Haley. I think the guy was a fine OC at Arizona with Warner at the helm but I didn't see head coach in him at all. Look at how many ****ing OCs he has gone through here at KC. The guy has to find somebody he can trust but he can't because none of them are him.

What?! He got rid of Chan b/c the two of them had different visions for what the direction of the offense should be. Haley decided keeping him on, would only set the eventual direction of the offense back a year, so he installed the new offense two weeks before the start of his first season, so as to not lose any time.

Next, Pioli hired Weis and forced him on Haley. Haley wanted no part in Weis, it's been documented. Haley was VERY displeased with the offensive playcalling in the playoff game, and possibly wanted to take playcalling away from him at the half, but didn't. The two of them never meshed, and when the season came to an end, Weis found an easy out, and went to coach with his son.

Bill Muir is the only OC Haley has had any part in, unless you count Haley himself. Hell, he may have just given Muir the job to give himself a scapegoat and buy himself another year, who knows. If this team gets a QB though, I'd expect to see either Haley or Zorn calling plays next year.

aturnis
10-09-2011, 11:32 PM
Does it matter? I just didn't want Haley. I think the guy was a fine OC at Arizona with Warner at the helm but I didn't see head coach in him at all. Look at how many ****ing OCs he has gone through here at KC. The guy has to find somebody he can trust but he can't because none of them are him.

Was in McDaniels? Did you want Josh McDaniels? You can tell us....

BigMeatballDave
10-09-2011, 11:38 PM
Was in McDaniels? Did you want Josh McDaniels? You can tell us....Heh, no one would ever admit to that.

crazycoffey
10-10-2011, 01:59 AM
Heh, no one could ever admit to that.

fyp

threebag02
10-10-2011, 09:06 AM
Since I became a fan in 87. Haley is by far the best coach with crypa vermiel in second place. The other three can burn in a bucketful of flaming aids.

R

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 06:29 PM
So wait, has haley been fired yet?

JASONSAUTO
10-10-2011, 07:01 PM
I'll call it. I think Haley is gonna be a hell of a head coach. I hope it's here.
I agree
Posted via Mobile Device

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 07:03 PM
I agree
Posted via Mobile Device

Motion seconded and carried.

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 07:08 PM
2 best players out for the year, mediocre QB hand picked by the GM, short offseason, months removed from a division championship... 2-3

:facepalm:

BossChief
10-10-2011, 07:22 PM
So wait, has haley been fired yet?

yup

Reerun_KC
10-10-2011, 07:37 PM
More typical GoFraud crap....

His motto is "Licking the Taint of Whitlock."

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 07:51 PM
yup

So... what happens if the colts get Haley?

mdchiefsfan
10-10-2011, 07:54 PM
What?! He got rid of Chan b/c the two of them had different visions for what the direction of the offense should be. Haley decided keeping him on, would only set the eventual direction of the offense back a year, so he installed the new offense two weeks before the start of his first season, so as to not lose any time.

Next, Pioli hired Weis and forced him on Haley. Haley wanted no part in Weis, it's been documented. Haley was VERY displeased with the offensive playcalling in the playoff game, and possibly wanted to take playcalling away from him at the half, but didn't. The two of them never meshed, and when the season came to an end, Weis found an easy out, and went to coach with his son.

Bill Muir is the only OC Haley has had any part in, unless you count Haley himself. Hell, he may have just given Muir the job to give himself a scapegoat and buy himself another year, who knows. If this team gets a QB though, I'd expect to see either Haley or Zorn calling plays next year.

The feeling seems mutual

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Messier
10-10-2011, 08:01 PM
So many grass is greener fans.

Everyone calling for Pioli's head are just buying into what has been a media driven campaign since he made an enemy of media favorite Waters, and shut out the media that was use to being somewhat buddy buddy with Peterson. Petro, Whitlock, Wright, and others have been anti Pioli from near the start. The Jackson pick was awful, in fact that whole draft sucked, but it was his first, without his own personnel people. The last two drafts have been very good. Maybe lots of people dispute this, but I looked back at the draft threads, and universally the last two drafts were loved at the time.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 08:03 PM
No one cares about the media's perception of Pioli.

It has more to do with his performance in acquiring personnel.

FAX
10-10-2011, 08:06 PM
So many grass is greener fans.

Everyone calling for Pioli's head are just buying into what has been a media driven campaign since he made an enemy of media favorite Waters, and shut out the media that was use to being somewhat buddy buddy with Peterson. Petro, Whitlock, Wright, and others have been anti Pioli from near the start. The Jackson pick was awful, in fact that whole draft sucked, but it was his first, without his own personnel people. The last two drafts have been very good. Maybe lots of people dispute this, but I looked back at the draft threads, and universally the last two drafts were loved at the time.

Much truthism in this post thing, Mr. Messier.

It's funny how often myths are generated that have so much staying power. The Chiefs are awash in crazy stories that gained traction and stuck like a power sander in an ass crack.

FAX

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 08:08 PM
No one cares about the media's perception of Pioli.

It has more to do with his performance in acquiring personnel.

Yes because turning around literally a franchise that was the WORST it had been in history is something he should be fired for...

LOL...

I am drunk but seriously are you arguing for Pioli to be fired too or just Haley

you are too much man

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 08:11 PM
Yes because turning around literally a franchise that was the WORST it had been in history is something he should be fired for...

LOL...

I am drunk but seriously are you arguing for Pioli to be fired too or just Haley

you are too much man
I disagree with Pawnmower about much, but I must agree here. I'm sorry he can't turnover 45 roster spots in 2 drafts. (excusing the 2009 atrocity.)

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 08:12 PM
IMO Haley has outperformed Pioli. The fact is, though, that GMs aren't held to the same standards. I think firing Haley would be ill advised, but it could happen. You don't get a lot of time as a HC before you're on the hot seat. Pioli will absolutely not be fired for years to come unless he feels up Clark's wife in a bar or something.

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 08:13 PM
I disagree with Pawnmower about much, but I must agree here. I'm sorry he can't turnover 45 roster spots in 2 drafts. (excusing the 2009 atrocity.)

You are? I'm not.

Not that I'm done with Pioli, but that is still a huge strike against him. He has a ways to go to make up for it especially considering how the 2010 second round has panned out.

durtyrute
10-10-2011, 08:15 PM
This thread is horrible and should just go away.

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 08:17 PM
Ima go ahead and call it..

You will die alone

Messier
10-10-2011, 08:18 PM
I also love how the fact that most of the talent on the team was acquired before Pioli was here is a weakness. As if that's somehow a negative on Pioli.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 08:19 PM
You are? I'm not.

Not that I'm done with Pioli, but that is still a huge strike against him. He has a ways to go to make up for it especially considering how the 2010 second round has panned out.

You're right, he probably should have used the scouting staff that was scouting for a power-blocking running offensive scheme and a 4-3 defensive scheme.

While the draft was awful, I would contend the majority of the blame lies with Clark for that one. Further, 2009 was amongst the weakest draft classes in recent history.

Further, how you can pass a verdict on the 2010 second round is beyond me. I was very critical of McCluster and Arenas as second round picks. However, even I will give them three years before declaring them busts.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 08:20 PM
This thread is horrible and should just go away.

This thread doesn't leave until a month is up.

Keep hope alive.

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 08:21 PM
I also love how the fact that most of the talent on the team was acquired before Pioli was here is a weakness. As if that's somehow a negative on Pioli.

The negative part is he hasn't continued to add to that talent at a rate that can make us competitive for a playoff win much less a Superbowl. If it wasn't for Eric Berry being a completely no doubt, obvious pick at 5, Pioli would look REALLY shitty right now.

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 08:26 PM
You're right, he probably should have used the scouting staff that was scouting for a power-blocking running offensive scheme and a 4-3 defensive scheme.

While the draft was awful, I would contend the majority of the blame lies with Clark for that one. Further, 2009 was amongst the weakest draft classes in recent history.

Further, how you can pass a verdict on the 2010 second round is beyond me. I was very critical of McCluster and Arenas as second round picks. However, even I will give them three years before declaring them busts.

Not calling them busts, but they are not looking good. So far, it looks like we got one solid return guy out of those two 2nds, one of which was so high it was practically a 1st.

Also, Everybody was floored at the Tyson Jackson pick. I didn't need a crew of scouts to tell me that was an outrageous reach. That was common knowledge as soon as it came out of Goodell's mouth. As it turned out it was even worse than we thought, but even by just common sense standards, that was bad. As for the 2nd pick that year that he spent on Cassel, how much more scouting time did he need for that one? This scouting team BS is a cop out. If he had a mediocre 09 draft or even pretty bad, that would be one thing. He had a collossal failure of a draft. Again, not saying I'm done with Pioli, but I'm not going to excuse that shit.

Messier
10-10-2011, 08:26 PM
The negative part is he hasn't continued to add to that talent at a rate that can make us competitive for a playoff win much less a Superbowl. If it wasn't for Eric Berry being a completely no doubt, obvious pick at 5, Pioli would look REALLY shitty right now.

So you don't like any other draft pick?

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 08:29 PM
So you don't like any other draft pick?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying as a whole Pioli has had a pretty weak draft record here. Some good picks, one fantastic but obvious pick and some uses of draft picks that have seriously set back a franchise that was weak to begin with. I'm hoping Baldwin makes him look good, and I have high hopes for that, but we'll see.

rocknrolla
10-10-2011, 09:27 PM
I'll call it. I think Haley is gonna be a hell of a head coach. I hope it's here.

I completely agree. So he made a bad decision how to deal with the shorted off season. I think Pioli will keep him around.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 09:33 PM
I completely agree. So he made a bad decision how to deal with the shorted off season. I think Pioli will keep him around.

So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.

O.city
10-10-2011, 09:36 PM
So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.

Yep we are. And this isn't going to be a horrible losing season. :)

-King-
10-10-2011, 09:37 PM
So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.

You expected a winning season in 2009?

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 09:40 PM
So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.

As much as I am for us getting Luck, it's a little early to call this a "horrible losing season." If Pioli looks at a 2-3 record and fires his coach because he considers this a losing season, then he is serious dumbfuck.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 09:42 PM
As much as I am for us getting Luck, it's a little early to call this a "horrible losing season." If Pioli looks at a 2-3 record and fires his coach because he considers this a losing season, then he is serious dumbfuck.

This is going to be a horrible losing season. Make no mistake. We can't play winless losers every week.

whoman69
10-10-2011, 09:48 PM
So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.

He hasn't had two horrible seasons yet.

whoman69
10-10-2011, 09:50 PM
You expected a winning season in 2009?

I don't know many that thought we'd have a winning season in 2010.

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 10:18 PM
This is going to be a horrible losing season. Make no mistake. We can't play winless losers every week.

I think you are right, but firing the HC because he will probably have a losing season is insanity. It will not happen. Haley might get fired, but it will be at the end of the season if he does.

NJChiefsFan
10-10-2011, 10:21 PM
So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.

How can you blame him for 2009? Throwing that mark on his resume, when I am pretty sure you didn't last year, is a little extreme.

Question, how many wins should a coach in Haley's position right now have with Cassel and without Berry/Charles get this season? Honestly. What should the Chiefs record be with Cassel at the helm?

Haley's plan shit the bed and it made us lose bad the first two weeks. Looking at the Bills and Lions, its not crazy to see that we lost to them with Cassel and without Berry and then with Cassel and without Berry/Charles. Its just the way it happened. Looking at the team playing now, I don't think they lose by as much.

If Haley had a good QB and Berry/Charles do you really think we would be struggling right now? I really don't. I don't want him fired because of that situation. If we had a good QB and a healthy core, I think we are 3-2 at the VERY least. I don't think its insane to say that we could have won 1 of the first 2 games with a real QB and both our stars. Neither of those games were out of hand early and those 3 players could have changed the course. So for me, its not Haley.

I want Haley haters to answer the questions in bold. Not because I think there is no answer, but because the answer to those questions is how I will know where you are thinking-wise and if its reasonable.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 10:26 PM
How can you blame him for 2009? Throwing that mark on his resume, when I am pretty sure you didn't last year, is a little extreme.


The Chiefs lost six games that year by a TD or less.

Haley did not even start Jamaal Charles until Week 10.

He also made dumbass decisions on OC and DC.

So yeah, part of the blame for that season goes to Haley.

NJChiefsFan
10-10-2011, 10:30 PM
The Chiefs lost six games that year by a TD or less.

Haley did not even start Jamaal Charles until Week 10.

He also made dumbass decisions on OC and DC.

So yeah, part of the blame for that season goes to Haley.

Please answer the bold questions. I am fine with that response for 2009, although I don't blame him for OC/DC decisions his first year as a head coach. I am guessing most rookie head coaches make mistakes like that. Again, the tougher questions please.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 10:44 PM
If Haley had a good QB and Berry/Charles do you really think we would be struggling right now? I really don't.

We had 180 yards rushing and held the 0-4 Colts scoreless for an entire half and we still barely beat them.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 10:50 PM
We had 180 yards rushing and held the 0-4 Colts scoreless for an entire half and we still barely beat them.

I don't see your point. :shrug:

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 10:55 PM
I don't see your point. :shrug:

With Charles on offense, are we going to do much better than 180 yards rushing?

With Berry on defense, are we going to do much better than holding the Colts scoreless for an entire half?

The Packers had huge injury problems last year and won the Super Bowl, so I'm not going to give Haley a free pass just because of injuries.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 10:56 PM
With Charles on offense, are we going to do much better than 180 yards rushing?

With Berry on defense, are we going to do much better than holding the Colts scoreless for an entire half?

The Packers had huge injury problems last year and won the Super Bowl, so I'm not going to give Haley a free pass just because of injuries.

I will give him a pass for being stuck with Cassel for three years. JMO.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 10:57 PM
I will give him a pass for being stuck with Cassel for three years. JMO.

He has the option of not sending him on the field. JMO.

BigMeatballDave
10-10-2011, 10:58 PM
We had 180 yards rushing and held the 0-4 Colts scoreless for an entire half and we still barely beat them.

It was good to see the D make adjustments at halftime.

Indy isn't that bad. If Manning were healthy, they'd be 3-2 maybe 4-1.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 10:58 PM
He has the option of not sending him on the field. JMO.

Then your opinion is factually incorrect.
A) he has not had viable alternatives
B) he would get shitcanned by Pioli

Although I can see how constant wildcat formations could improve the offense. [/sarcasm]

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:00 PM
Then your opinion is factually incorrect.
A) he has not had viable alternatives
B) he would get shitcanned by Pioli

Although I can see how constant wildcat formations could improve the offense. [/sarcasm]

You think Stanzi would do worse than Cassel? I mean... I know throwing 5 yard slants is a lot to ask, but...

BigMeatballDave
10-10-2011, 11:00 PM
The Packers had huge injury problems last year and won the Super Bowl, so I'm not going to give Haley a free pass just because of injuries.

Aaron Rodgers

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 11:02 PM
You think Stanzi would do worse than Cassel? I mean... I know throwing 5 yard slants is a lot to ask, but...

I am about as big of a "cassel-hater" as you can find, but I still can't answer that. I don't have enough information. The head coach might. Hell, he might even agree with you but be unable to pull Cassel due to pressure from Pioli.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 11:02 PM
Aaron Rodgers

I'm not expecting the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 11:03 PM
Aaron Rodgers

gochiefs is still a worthless troll without a mind of his own. I wouldn't expect him to understand this.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:03 PM
I am about as big of a "cassel-hater" as you can find, but I still can't answer that. I don't have enough information. The head coach might. Hell, he might even agree with you but be unable to pull Cassel due to pressure from Pioli.

The only way Pioli would fire Haley for switching QB's is if it completely fucking flopped and blew the Chiefs chances of making the playoffs.

BigMeatballDave
10-10-2011, 11:04 PM
I'm not expecting the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.

My point is, if you have a stud QB, you can overcome a lot.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 11:05 PM
The only way Pioli would fire Haley for switching QB's is if it completely ****ing flopped and blew the Chiefs chances of making the playoffs.

That is speculative on your part. Pioli may have a development plan for Stanzi, or just not want to see 12MM (or whatever Cassel's stupid salary is) sitting on the bench. Further, it is possible that Cassel still gives us a better chance to win than Stanzi. It wouldn't actually surprise me that much.

Count Zarth
10-10-2011, 11:06 PM
My point is, if you have a stud QB, you can overcome a lot.

My point is, if you have a competent head coach, you don't get beat 89-10, regardless of injuries.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:07 PM
That is speculative on your part. Pioli may have a development plan for Stanzi, or just not want to see 12MM (or whatever Cassel's stupid salary is) sitting on the bench. Further, it is possible that Cassel still gives us a better chance to win than Stanzi. It wouldn't actually surprise me that much.

It's not speculative at all. No GM is going to fire someone for making a move to try and better the team. If he does then I say GL trying to get that respectable HC you want to come in and coach someone elses team.

Pioli isn't the one writing the checks, btw.

listopencil
10-10-2011, 11:11 PM
If we're all on crack, then what'll we care if we look stupid, dumbass?

Oh damn, I am cracking up at this for some reason. Funny shit.

BigMeatballDave
10-10-2011, 11:16 PM
My point is, if you have a competent head coach, you don't get beat 89-10, regardless of injuries.

Most of those points were scored off turnovers. Haley made Cassel throw INTs?

rocknrolla
10-10-2011, 11:27 PM
I am about as big of a "cassel-hater" as you can find, but I still can't answer that. I don't have enough information. The head coach might. Hell, he might even agree with you but be unable to pull Cassel due to pressure from Pioli.

I know Pioli thought Cassel was the answer for this team when he traded for him. But god damn he sees the same games we do plus a lot more of his bullshit at practice and on tape. He has to have figured it out by now he is not the answer. I just hope he can do some magic this off season. Remember when we traded for him, how bad McDanials wanted him.So they both saw something in NE they liked. I don't know what. We sure as shit haven't seen it here. I don't know if Stanzi is quite NFL ready. But I sure would like to see his ass at least activated for games. I was somewhat impressed with him in preseason. Who the f*ck knows.

rocknrolla
10-10-2011, 11:28 PM
It's not speculative at all. No GM is going to fire someone for making a move to try and better the team. If he does then I say GL trying to get that respectable HC you want to come in and coach someone elses team.

Pioli isn't the one writing the checks, btw.

Good point. True that.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 11:29 PM
I know Pioli thought Cassel was the answer for this team when he traded for him. But god damn he sees the same games we do plus a lot more of his bullshit at practice and on tape. He has to have figured it out by now he is not the answer. I just hope he can do some magic this off season. Remember when we traded for him, how bad McDanials wanted him.So they both saw something in NE they liked. I don't know what. We sure as shit haven't seen it here. I don't know if Stanzi is quite NFL ready. But I sure would like to see his ass at least activated for games. I was somewhat impressed with him in preseason. Who the f*ck knows.

I am convinced Cassel in practice looks like an ace, but can't hold up in the tempo and pressure of a game.

rocknrolla
10-10-2011, 11:34 PM
I am convinced Cassel in practice looks like an ace, but can't hold up in the tempo and pressure of a game.

This is true. But he has to see the tape over and over of how he can't handle it. Everyone says it's his ego with Cassel. Bullshit. He wants to win. This is his first GM job and wants to hold on to it. I have faith in him. For now.

Nightfyre
10-10-2011, 11:39 PM
This is true. But he has to see the tape over and over of how he can't handle it. Everyone says it's his ego with Cassel. Bullshit. He wants to win. This is his first GM job and wants to hold on to it. I have faith in him. For now.

Oh I agree with you. I suspect Cassel was either a stop-gap OR a "stab-at-a-franchise-qb" which got turned into a stop-gap. He probably hadn't found another QB which he thought was franchise QB material. Frankly, he was probably right.

Guru
10-10-2011, 11:42 PM
Was in McDaniels? Did you want Josh McDaniels? You can tell us....
LMAO no

BossChief
10-11-2011, 12:18 AM
The Chiefs lost six games that year by a TD or less.

Haley did not even start Jamaal Charles until Week 10.

He also made dumbass decisions on OC and DC.

So yeah, part of the blame for that season goes to Haley.

Thats bullshit and you know it.

Chan Gailey was forced on Haley as was Weis after him. So was Romeo Crennel, too.

I know you know this, Clancy was never hired as the DC he was hired as a defensive assistant that didnt get a title until Romeo turned down the job in 2009.

Couple that with being handcuffed to Cassel and a worthless draft... you absolutely have to dish out some of the blame for that years failure on Haley for not working things out with Gailey (which at the time I saw as a huge mistake and as it turns out, it probably was)

I think what Haley has done in keeping this team together and his motivational tools is pretty impressive.

crazycoffey
10-11-2011, 02:23 AM
The Chiefs lost six games that year by a TD or less.

Haley did not even start Jamaal Charles until Week 10.

He also made dumbass decisions on OC and DC.

So yeah, part of the blame for that season goes to Haley.

hindsight genius. if only we could see the future somehow....

SenselessChiefsFan
10-11-2011, 05:55 AM
I am torn on Haley. I think that keeping the team together after their horrible first two games is impressive.

I don't care how bad Minnesota and Indy are, they are NFL teams. And, Minnesota had no trouble with Arizona. Minnesota also built pretty sizeable leads against every team except the Chiefs.... they just couldn't finish.

Indy played poorly with an 'over the hill', I don't know the playbook, Collins. But, after he was injured/benched.... Painter has played well and the Colts have really hung in there. They got to within 3 of the Steelers after Painter came in.... and they had the lead on the Bucs for most of the MNF game last week.

Oh, and the Chiefs hung in there against the Chargers.

Yeah, the first two weeks sucked..... but those two teams are pretty good and the Chiefs just weren't ready. Oh, and they lost one of their best players on both sides of the ball.

I am okay with the Chiefs getting a new head coach.... I am just not sold on Haley. But, I am also okay with him sticking for another year or two to see how things develop.

Marcellus
10-11-2011, 06:06 AM
My point is, if you have a competent head coach, you don't get beat 89-10, regardless of injuries.

So, what is your opinion of Andy Reid?

SenselessChiefsFan
10-11-2011, 06:07 AM
So, what is your opinion of Andy Reid?

I know you aren't asking me.... but I think Reid is just done in Philly. There comes a point when the team doesn't hear you anymore.... that time has come for Reid in Philly.

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 06:11 AM
So, what is your opinion of Andy Reid?

He has had two losing seasons in 13 years. GFY.

Marcellus
10-11-2011, 06:12 AM
Oh I agree with you. I suspect Cassel was either a stop-gap OR a "stab-at-a-franchise-qb" which got turned into a stop-gap. He probably hadn't found another QB which he thought was franchise QB material. Frankly, he was probably right.

I can see this.

People repeatedly bitch and moan about the Cassel trade etc....but fail realize there has been no definite franchise prospect the Chief's could have picked up in the draft or FA at the time or since.

Freeman is the only possible franchise QB that was realistically possible and not one person here thought he was going to be a franchise QB.

The true major screw ups were made by Carl passing on Brees & Rodgers.

Marcellus
10-11-2011, 06:16 AM
He has had two losing seasons in 13 years. GFY.

Lol, but the Eagles have a worse record than KC and they spent a kajillian $.

How many SB wins Reid have in 13 years?

By your logic, competent coaches don't get blown out, looking at the Eagles talent level and 1 win I would say that is a major issue with coaching competency.

Or could it be it's not all on the coach? :hmmm:

You are a fool, plain and simple.

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 06:27 AM
People repeatedly bitch and moan about the Cassel trade etc....but fail realize there has been no definite franchise prospect the Chief's could have picked up in the draft or FA at the time or since.
.

We'd still be better off with Sanchez waiting in the wings than Tyson Jackson.

Colt McCoy would look real attractive right now waiting in the wings.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was a free agent who was signed two weeks after Scott Pioli took the Chiefs job.

Even if we had traded for Cassel, Our QB situation would look a lot better right now if we had:

A)Not signed him to a long-term deal

B)Brought in legitimate competition for the job

C)Signed him to a reasonable deal after 2009 (you can't just kick him to the curb immediately)and made him compete for his job with guys who are younger, have a lot more potential and have yet to hit their ceiling.

Or we could have just drafted Freeman and never been in this mess to begin with.

So yes, we should be bitching and moaning about this trade, not only because it was horrible, but because there was absolutely zero plan B.

DBOSHO
10-11-2011, 06:33 AM
I am convinced Cassel in practice looks like an ace, but can't hold up in the tempo and pressure of a game.

Cassel is the anti-tebow. Good in practice, bad in games.

So basically, hes the anti-christ.

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 06:35 AM
Lol, but the Eagles have a worse record than KC and they spent a kajillian $.

How many SB wins Reid have in 13 years?

By your logic, competent coaches don't get blown out, looking at the Eagles talent level and 1 win I would say that is a major issue with coaching competency.

Or could it be it's not all on the coach? :hmmm:

You are a fool, plain and simple.

Where did I say it was all on the coach?

Haley has a lot to do with this mess, and comparing him to Andy Reid is idiotic. Haley got blown out at the start of this year because that's his MO - his teams get their ass handed to them every year four times - even last year. Look it up. He's got two ass-handings this year and figures to have at least two more coming against New England and Green Bay.

Hallmarks of Haley's coaching career:

Can't pick an OC.
Gets his ass handed to him four times a year.
Embarrasses the franchise by swearing like a sailor and looking like a slob.

Hallmarks of Reid's coaching career:

Consistent winning.
Playoff wins.
Being fat.

DBOSHO
10-11-2011, 06:40 AM
You shut your whore mouth when talking about haley.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-11-2011, 08:41 AM
He has had two losing seasons in 13 years. GFY.

No SuperBowls. In CP's definition of success, he is a failure 13 times over.

otherstar
10-11-2011, 09:39 AM
No SuperBowls. In CP's definition of success, he is a failure 13 times over.

Yep, and using that same logic Hank Stram is the only good coach the Chiefs have EVER had...:banghead:

notorious
10-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Cassel is the anti-tebow. Good in practice, bad in games.

So basically, hes the anti-christ.

LMAO

aturnis
10-11-2011, 10:06 AM
r:[/B]Can't pick an OC.
Gets his ass handed to him four times a year.
Embarrasses the franchise by swearing like a sailor and looking like a slob.


Can't pick an OC? He ditched Gailey b/c Gailey's vision wasn't what they were looking for and to keep him on the first year would have held the development of the offense back an entire year.

Weis was forced on Haley as has been documented. They never got along, and Weis took the convenient way out and went to coach with his son. Why blame Weis on Haley? That's all on Pioli.

Bill Muir is Haley's first OC, and could likely be his scapegoat. Haley trying to keep a fall guy around so he might be able to buy himself the last year of his contract.

You're being an idiot.

Detoxing
10-11-2011, 10:14 AM
We'd still be better off with Sanchez waiting in the wings than Tyson Jackson.

Colt McCoy would look real attractive right now waiting in the wings.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was a free agent who was signed two weeks after Scott Pioli took the Chiefs job.

Even if we had traded for Cassel, Our QB situation would look a lot better right now if we had:

A)Not signed him to a long-term deal

B)Brought in legitimate competition for the job

C)Signed him to a reasonable deal after 2009 (you can't just kick him to the curb immediately)and made him compete for his job with guys who are younger, have a lot more potential and have yet to hit their ceiling.

Or we could have just drafted Freeman and never been in this mess to begin with.

So yes, we should be bitching and moaning about this trade, not only because it was horrible, but because there was absolutely zero plan B.

Lol. You said Colt McCoy. And before that you said Sanchez. Lol. And you Fitzpatrick. Lol. You're silly.

Brock
10-11-2011, 10:17 AM
Can't pick an OC? He ditched Gailey b/c Gailey's vision wasn't what they were looking for and to keep him on the first year would have held the development of the offense back an entire year.

Weis was forced on Haley as has been documented. They never got along, and Weis took the convenient way out and went to coach with his son. Why blame Weis on Haley? That's all on Pioli.

Bill Muir is Haley's first OC, and could likely be his scapegoat. Haley trying to keep a fall guy around so he might be able to buy himself the last year of his contract.

You're being an idiot.

"The development of the offense" ROFL

Pawnmower
10-11-2011, 10:28 AM
Calm down Clay, it was only 2 wins against bad teams. We will probably go back to sucking after the bye week so you can write up some more articles and gif up some more bad plays and make yourself feel better about your shitty life.

Everything will be be back to normal soon, calm down.

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 10:35 AM
Lol. You said Colt McCoy. And before that you said Sanchez. Lol. And you Fitzpatrick. Lol. You're silly.

If we had any of those players on our roster, our QB situation would not be a disaster.

There would be some hope for a young guy with potential with Sanchez and McCoy. Fitzpatrick would outright steal the job from Cassel and become the next Trent Green overnight. The fan base would love him. DeezNutz would be cautiously optimistic.

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 10:36 AM
Can't pick an OC? He ditched Gailey b/c Gailey's vision wasn't what they were looking for and to keep him on the first year would have held the development of the offense back an entire year.

Weis was forced on Haley as has been documented. They never got along, and Weis took the convenient way out and went to coach with his son. Why blame Weis on Haley? That's all on Pioli.

Bill Muir is Haley's first OC, and could likely be his scapegoat. Haley trying to keep a fall guy around so he might be able to buy himself the last year of his contract.

You're being an idiot.

Can't pick an OC/can't live with one. Same difference.

BigMeatballDave
10-11-2011, 11:09 AM
Where did I say it was all on the coach?

Haley has a lot to do with this mess, and comparing him to Andy Reid is idiotic. Haley got blown out at the start of this year because that's his MO - his teams get their ass handed to them every year four times - even last year. Look it up. He's got two ass-handings this year and figures to have at least two more coming against New England and Green Bay.

Hallmarks of Haley's coaching career:

Can't pick an OC.
Gets his ass handed to him four times a year.
Embarrasses the franchise by swearing like a sailor and looking like a slob.

Hallmarks of Reid's coaching career:

Consistent winning.
Playoff wins.
Being fat.Swearing like a sailor and looking like a slob LMAO

Stop feeding the troll.

BigMeatballDave
10-11-2011, 11:11 AM
This will be fun to re-visit if they finish 9-7 or better.

Dave Lane
10-11-2011, 12:39 PM
I don't know many that thought we'd have a winning season in 2010.

I thought they might go 8-8 and was roundly mocked.

whoman69
10-11-2011, 06:16 PM
My point is, if you have a competent head coach, you don't get beat 89-10, regardless of injuries.

Chuck Noll 1969 back to back losses 99-24
Tom Landry 1988 back to back losses 81-27
Tom Landry 1960 losses 48-7, 41-7, 45-7
Vince Lombardi 1959 back to back losses 78-27
Bill Walsh 1980 back to back losses defense gave up 107

Its not Haley's fault that Check Down sucked. Keep this D off the field we've been shown they can be ok.

Even Super Bowl teams can get toasted. The '94 Niners lost to the Eagles 40-8. Am I saying Haley is a HOF coach with these comparisons? No, you're the one that said good coaches don't lose like that. Even great coaches do.

Nightfyre
10-11-2011, 06:20 PM
Gochiefs has been in a trolling mood ever since the Chiefs won effectively eliminating any chance Haley would be fired this month. Nice find whoman69.

whoman69
10-11-2011, 06:27 PM
Gochiefs has been in a trolling mood ever since the Chiefs won effectively eliminating any chance Haley would be fired this month. Nice find whoman69.

To be fair, I was calling for Haley's head after the first two games.

Nightfyre
10-11-2011, 06:29 PM
To be fair, I was calling for Haley's head after the first two games.

Meh. I disagree. I think Haley will be a great HC down the line. He is a terrific motivator and that's his primary job. Once he learns to let his assistants do their job or he figures out a way to actually be HC and OC he'll be good. Once he gets a QB worth a damn, he'll be great. JMO.

Rams Fan
10-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick was a free agent who was signed two weeks after Scott Pioli took the Chiefs job.


So, you wanted the Chiefs to sign a QB, prior to the 2009 season, that had started more than 10 games in his career once and put up mediocre numbers during that season?

:spock:

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 07:06 PM
So, you wanted the Chiefs to sign a QB, prior to the 2009 season, that had started more than 10 games in his career once and put up mediocre numbers during that season?

:spock:

The Bills saw something in him.

Bills > Our GM? :shrug:

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 07:07 PM
a QB, prior to the 2009 season, that had started more than 10 games in his career once and put up mediocre numbers during that season?

http://sportsroids.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/matt-cassel-qb-new-england-patriot.jpg

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 07:08 PM
Chuck Noll 1969 back to back losses 99-24
Tom Landry 1988 back to back losses 81-27
Tom Landry 1960 losses 48-7, 41-7, 45-7
Vince Lombardi 1959 back to back losses 78-27
Bill Walsh 1980 back to back losses defense gave up 107

Its not Haley's fault that Check Down sucked. Keep this D off the field we've been shown they can be ok.

Even Super Bowl teams can get toasted. The '94 Niners lost to the Eagles 40-8. Am I saying Haley is a HOF coach with these comparisons? No, you're the one that said good coaches don't lose like that. Even great coaches do.

So, none of those are 89-10.

Thanks for proving my point. And Landry's expansion Cowboys hardly count.

89-10 is in the top 5 embarrassments in NFL HISTORY.

Rams Fan
10-11-2011, 07:10 PM
http://sportsroids.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/matt-cassel-qb-new-england-patriot.jpg

21 TDs and 11 INTS> 8 TDs and 9 INTS?

Count Zarth
10-11-2011, 07:13 PM
21 TDs and 11 INTS> 8 TDs and 9 INTS?

Hey, whatever.

We'd be a lot better off with Fitzpatrick right now.

This fanbase would be slobbing his knob. Guaranteed.

O.city
10-11-2011, 07:15 PM
Hey, whatever.

We'd be a lot better off with Fitzpatrick right now.

This fanbase would be slobbing his knob. Guaranteed.

Well obviously.

We would be alot better off right now had we drafted Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.

HBKChiefs
10-11-2011, 10:55 PM
Calm down Clay, it was only 2 wins against bad teams. We will probably go back to sucking after the bye week so you can write up some more articles and gif up some more bad plays and make yourself feel better about your shitty life.

Everything will be be back to normal soon, calm down.

Hahaha... Yeah, stop panicking, Nostradumbass.

Gadzooks
10-11-2011, 11:09 PM
Well obviously.

We would be alot better off right now had we drafted Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.

Fitzpatrick wasn't quite as obvious. Neither was Brees for that matter.
They all seem to have a need to suck for a while before they're any good.
Look at Steve Grogan for crying out loud.:eek:

BigMeatballDave
10-11-2011, 11:09 PM
So, none of those are 89-10.

Thanks for proving my point. And Landry's expansion Cowboys hardly count.

89-10 is in the top 5 embarrassments in NFL HISTORY.

Monday Night Meltdown was far more embarrassing

lostcause
10-11-2011, 11:09 PM
Well obviously.

We would be alot better off right now had we drafted Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.

or jim kelly... or dan marino, now that you mention it.

mdchiefsfan
10-11-2011, 11:36 PM
My point is, if you have a competent head coach, you don't get beat 89-10, regardless of injuries.

I stayed out of this debate, but this is the most asinine statement I have read. The players make the coaches just as much as the coaches make the players. I mean look at what Norv Turner has done for the Chargers, they have the talent there, but not the coaching. We have the coaching, but not the depth to overcome serious injuries. It is the way it is.

Depth isn't the head coach's responsibility, that would belong to Pioli. So if you want to place to blame on over coming injuries, place it in the right direction. You have Berry, then Piscatelli or McGraw. DJ and Belcher, then Williams. Cassel, then Palko. Charles then Jones. Moeaki then Pope. I could go on. How is that any way relevant to what Green Bay had depth wise, while Aaron Rogers was healthy?

Nightfyre
10-12-2011, 03:32 AM
I stayed out of this debate, but this is the most asinine statement I have read. The players make the coaches just as much as the coaches make the players. I mean look at what Norv Turner has done for the Chargers, they have the talent there, but not the coaching. We have the coaching, but not the depth to overcome serious injuries. It is the way it is.

Depth isn't the head coach's responsibility, that would belong to Pioli. So if you want to place to blame on over coming injuries, place it in the right direction. You have Berry, then Piscatelli or McGraw. DJ and Belcher, then Williams. Cassel, then Palko. Charles then Jones. Moeaki then Pope. I could go on. How is that any way relevant to what Green Bay had depth wise, while Aaron Rogers was healthy?

Gochiefs is seriously degrading the level of conversation on this board. you can't have a single football thread without him running into it with a bullet train of asinine trolling. It absolutely is killing any meaningful football conversation.

BigMeatballDave
10-12-2011, 03:37 AM
Gochiefs is seriously degrading the level of conversation on this board. you can't have a single football thread without him running into it with a bullet train of asinine trolling. It absolutely is killing any meaningful football conversation.

I have a theory on why he does this.

Marcellus
10-12-2011, 06:14 AM
I have a theory on why he does this.

I am assuming the pacifier fell out of Clay's ass again.

TEX
10-12-2011, 07:16 AM
I stayed out of this debate, but this is the most asinine statement I have read. The players make the coaches just as much as the coaches make the players. I mean look at what Norv Turner has done for the Chargers, they have the talent there, but not the coaching. We have the coaching, but not the depth to overcome serious injuries. It is the way it is.

Depth isn't the head coach's responsibility, that would belong to Pioli. So if you want to place to blame on over coming injuries, place it in the right direction. You have Berry, then Piscatelli or McGraw. DJ and Belcher, then Williams. Cassel, then Palko. Charles then Jones. Moeaki then Pope. I could go on. How is that any way relevant to what Green Bay had depth wise, while Aaron Rogers was healthy?

This absolutely. I'd like to add that we also HAVE $30+ MILLION in cap room. Bet that would have bought a LOT of quality depth...

Pawnmower
10-12-2011, 10:12 AM
This absolutely. I'd like to add that we also HAVE $30+ MILLION in cap room. Bet that would have bought a LOT of quality depth...

Exactly....MdChief made a good point.....In fact, we have won the last couple of games (yes against shitty teams though) DESPITE the injuries and because of the coaching IMO....If we can take this momentum and even keep it close against the Raiders (@OAK) then I'll be pretty impressed....at haley's ability to polish a turd.

Rams Fan
10-23-2011, 05:31 PM
Looks like he's gonna be fired alright.

-King-
10-23-2011, 05:39 PM
Good call bro.

crazychiefsfan
10-23-2011, 05:40 PM
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.

:doh!:

Count Zarth
10-23-2011, 06:01 PM
There's still time.

BigMeatballDave
10-23-2011, 06:02 PM
There's still time.

Nope. Not happening. Not this season.

Count Zarth
10-23-2011, 06:03 PM
I think just about any coach could beat the Curtis Painter Colts and the Kyle Boller Raiders.

|Zach|
10-23-2011, 06:05 PM
I think just about any coach could beat the Curtis Painter Colts and the Kyle Boller Raiders.

You're a pussy.

Count Zarth
10-23-2011, 06:09 PM
You're a pussy.

It's called realism, try it.

This team continues to feast on the weak sisters of the league.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-23-2011, 06:14 PM
It's called realism, try it.

This team continues to feast on the weak sisters of the league.

But that doesn't mean anything because you said in your other mega stupid thread that they would beat 2 of the teams in the upcoming brutal 5 game stretch later in the season. So they must be good enough to do that in your opinion... which we all know is the final word.

I mean unless you say it out loud or on the internet or well ok... in any form at all.

GordonGekko
10-23-2011, 06:15 PM
It's called realism, try it.

This team continues to feast on the weak sisters of the league.

We've played 3 'decent' clubs and lost them all, 2 by landslides, and we are 3-0 against 3 teams that are in the ass crack of the league. The Chiefs are a paper tiger, totally full of shit, and if anyone thinks we will ever win anything meaningful with Cassel they are delusional.

HBKChiefs
10-23-2011, 06:23 PM
It's called realism, try it.

This team continues to feast on the weak sisters of the league.

What a fuckin joke you are. Flip flop flip flop. Just delete your account and never go away forever.

Count Zarth
10-23-2011, 06:42 PM
There's no flip flop.

We beat weak teams and I enjoy it, because that's what I've chosen to do.

Rams Fan
10-23-2011, 06:43 PM
There's no flip flop.

We beat weak teams and I enjoy it, because that's what I've chosen to do.

You were the one rooting for 0-16.

Count Zarth
10-23-2011, 06:44 PM
You were the one rooting for 0-16.

I was. I had different goals before the Chiefs started proving they weren't interested in meeting my fan demands.