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lcarus
10-10-2011, 10:45 AM
Will they trade their pick and stick with Peyton Manning?
Will they draft Luck and groom him for a season or two behind Peyton Manning?
Will they start Luck his rookie season and shop Peyton Manning?
How would Chiefs fans feel if we ended up with Peyton Manning in his latter years ala Joe Montana?

jd1020
10-10-2011, 10:46 AM
They draft him and have Peyton teach him like GB with Rodgers. Manning is retiring a Colt.

OnTheWarpath58
10-10-2011, 10:47 AM
They'll draft Luck, and what happens after that depends on Manning's neck.

They'll sit him until Manning retires if need be, they'll play him immediately if need be.

And they'll continue to be a phenomenal offensive team.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-10-2011, 10:48 AM
They draft him and have Peyton teach him like GB with Rodgers. Manning is retiring a Colt.

I think they are in a tough spot if they do end up with the #1 overall.

Pants
10-10-2011, 10:49 AM
I think they are in a tough spot if they do end up with the #1 overall.

LMAO

eazyb81
10-10-2011, 10:49 AM
They take Luck and throw the biggest parade Indy has seen since they won the Super Bowl.

FringeNC
10-10-2011, 10:49 AM
I don't think the Colts will get him. Painter looked too good. He looked awesome in the first half. They will win some games. I was flat-out shocked by the throws Painter was making.

Right now, the Rams are clearly the worst team in the league.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 10:49 AM
I think they are in a tough spot if they do end up with the #1 overall.

I don't. It's pretty obvious that Manning is running low on gas and they'll need a new driver in 2-3 years.

Okie_Apparition
10-10-2011, 10:50 AM
They'll have to wrestle him from Miami's cold dead flippers

OnTheWarpath58
10-10-2011, 10:51 AM
I don't think the Colts will get him. Painter looked too good. He looked awesome in the first half. They will win some games. I was flat-out shocked by the throws Painter was making.

Right now, the Rams are clearly the worst team in the league.

The Rams have also played the toughest schedule in the league. It gets pretty soft around the mid season mark. I could see them getting 3 wins against Seattle and Arizona alone.

The_Doctor10
10-10-2011, 10:51 AM
I don't think the Colts will get him. Painter looked too good. He looked awesome in the first half. They will win some games. I was flat-out shocked by the throws Painter was making.

Right now, the Rams are clearly the worst team in the league.

So... You're saying the team with Sam Bradford is drafting Andrew Luck? To do what, run the A-11?

Otter
10-10-2011, 10:52 AM
Should read 'what if colts get 1st pick'.

mcaj22
10-10-2011, 10:53 AM
So... You're saying the team with Sam Bradford is drafting Andrew Luck? To do what, run the A-11?



LOL

Brock
10-10-2011, 10:54 AM
I think they are in a tough spot if they do end up with the #1 overall.

Yeah, real tough. They'll have Manning to play another year or two and another franchise guy to replace him with. Just awful.

lcarus
10-10-2011, 10:54 AM
I don't know. I think it's an interesting situation if they do indeed get the #1 pick. They could get a lot by trading out of that pick. Maybe they could get a shitload of picks or future picks for it, and draft someone else they like in the second or something?

FringeNC
10-10-2011, 10:54 AM
So... You're saying the team with Sam Bradford is drafting Andrew Luck? To do what, run the A-11?

Andrew Luck will be the first guy taken in the draft. That's a 100% certainty, barring injury. Will the Rams trade the pick, trade Bradford, or what? Who knows, but Andrew Luck is going #1.

mcaj22
10-10-2011, 10:55 AM
a team like the Rams or Panthers or even Eagles (who will all eventually win some games) would be VERY interesting if they ever got the 1st pick, because they would rake in a pot load of offers in terms of teams willing to give them the farm for the pick slot.

And would benefit greatly, as they obviously do not need Luck. Though the Eagles would draft Luck in a minute, because thats the type of shit that team loves to do

lcarus
10-10-2011, 10:55 AM
a team like the Rams or Panthers or even Eagles (who will all eventually win some games) would be VERY interesting if they ever got the 1st pick, because they would rake in a pot load of offers in terms of teams willing to give them the farm for the pick slot.

And would benefit greatly, as they obviously do not need Luck. Though the Eagles would draft Luck in a minute, because thats the type of shit that team loves to do

The Eagles won't even be close to the #1 pick in my opinion.

Nzoner
10-10-2011, 10:58 AM
The Rams have also played the toughest schedule in the league. It gets pretty soft around the mid season mark. I could see them getting 3 wins against Seattle and Arizona alone.

The way Seattle has been dropping points on opponents D's I don't know about that.Of course we'll have to see what the injury situation is.

lcarus
10-10-2011, 11:02 AM
The way Seattle has been dropping points on opponents D's I don't know about that.Of course we'll have to see what the injury situation is.

Plus you never know when Lynch will go into beast mode.

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Dr. Gigglepants
10-10-2011, 11:13 AM
Yeah, real tough. They'll have Manning to play another year or two and another franchise guy to replace him with. Just awful.

If he comes back healthy next year, and is the Manning of old, they're going to kick him to the cub after the next year? No, but they might have to trade him at that point b/c you can't sit your #1 talent for 3 years, 2 maybe but for Luck even that is pushing it.

Now, if it comes out that Manning isn't 100% before the draft, yes it's a no brainer, but some of you aren't considering Manning's end of career legacy here. The Colts won't want to look bad, and they could be getting themselves into a situation where there is no way out if they take him.

I could see the pick being for sale if they get it.

Okie_Apparition
10-10-2011, 11:13 AM
The Luck hype is getting to where the fans of the 31 other teams will just be cheering for him to bust. The pressure could do him in

lcarus
10-10-2011, 11:14 AM
The Luck hype is getting to where the fans of the 31 other teams will just be cheering for him to bust. The pressure could do him in

I'll be honest. If we don't get him (which..we aren't getting him) I hope he busts. It would be funny.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:15 AM
If he comes back healthy next year, and is the Manning of old, they're going to kick him to the cub after the next year? No, but they might have to trade him at that point b/c you can't sit your #1 talent for 3 years, 2 maybe but for Luck even that is pushing it.

Now, if it comes out that Manning isn't 100% before the draft, yes it's a no brainer, but some of you aren't considering Manning's end of career legacy here. The Colts won't want to look bad, and they could be getting themselves into a situation where there is no way out if they take him.

I could see the pick being for sale if they get it.

How can't you? He'll be making like 4-5mil a year.

Okie_Apparition
10-10-2011, 11:16 AM
The pressure on a rookie QB to save a franchise has got to be a hell of a load to carry

Dr. Gigglepants
10-10-2011, 11:18 AM
Why would you? I could see sitting him for a year behind Payton, but then what do you do? Payton has a great year, oh well, we'll just have the best QB prospect the league has seen since John Elway riding the bench for 5 years while Payton plays out his final contract.

5 years is hyperbole, but so is 3, Luck is ready to start right now, Payton has 5 years left. He could still be the Manning of old for all 5 of those years. If you throw multiple firsts and a lot of other picks their way, you don't think they would at least consider it?

vailpass
10-10-2011, 11:19 AM
If you could choose between the two who would you rather see get Luck: Indy or Denver?

Pants
10-10-2011, 11:20 AM
If you could choose between the two who would you rather see get Luck: Indy or Denver?

Is this a serious question?

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:21 AM
Why would you? I could see sitting him for a year behind Payton, but then what do you do? Payton has a great year, oh well, we'll just have the best QB prospect the league has seen since John Elway riding the bench for 5 years while Payton plays out his final contract.

5 years is hyperbole, but so is 3, Luck is ready to start right now, Payton has 5 years left. He could still be the Manning of old for all 5 of those years. If you throw multiple firsts and a lot of other picks their way, you don't think they would at least consider it?

Rodgers sat for 3. Really ****ed his career up didn't it?

tooge
10-10-2011, 11:21 AM
This is pretty much how it will shake out I'm guessing.
Miami and St. Louis will each be lucky to win one game. Certainly not more than that. The Colts will find a way to win a few. Then, if St. Louis gets the #1, they trade it to the highest bidder which could be either Denver, because Elway will have a double hard on for the best QB in a decade coming out of his alma mater. Miami, cuz they don't have crap, or Seattle for the same reason as Miami.
If Miami gets the pick, then Obviously they take Luck and he starts right away.
SOOOO, basically, we want Miami to suck worse than St. Louis. If Dungver gets Luck, it will be the worse thing that has happened to the Chiefs ever.

Donger
10-10-2011, 11:23 AM
If you could choose between the two who would you rather see get Luck: Indy or Denver?

Why would Denver take Luck? They have Tebow.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-10-2011, 11:24 AM
Rodgers sat for 3. Really ****ed his career up didn't it?

I didn't mean it would fuck his career up, just that they would be wasting him. Also, Rodgers wasn't even close to this hyped coming out of college. Shit, he slid to 25 or 26, he wasn't hyped as a franchise changer from day 1 like Luck is.

If anything, it looks like the 3 years helped Rodgers.

Pitt Gorilla
10-10-2011, 11:24 AM
It is interesting that the Packers didn't have to suck to draft a franchise QB in the first round. Who is this (coming draft) year's Rogers?

Okie_Apparition
10-10-2011, 11:24 AM
I feel sorry for any rookie QB to end up in Miami. That place is a mess. Then again knowing they can have Luck may bring in a top notch coaching staff

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:25 AM
I didn't mean it would **** his career up, just that they would be wasting him. Also, Rodgers wasn't even close to this hyped coming out of college. Shit, he slid to 25 or 26, he wasn't hyped as a franchise changer from day 1 like Luck is.

If anything, it looks like the 3 years helped Rodgers.

Who cares what Rodgers hype was before the draft? How's he doing now?

Are you going to sit here and say that because Luck is so hyped up that he's going to come in and be as good or better than Aaron Rodgers?

vailpass
10-10-2011, 11:25 AM
Is this a serious question?

Yes. I've seen people here absolutely lamenting the prospect of Indy getting Luck and ruling the roost for 12 more years. I wondered if those same KC fans would rather see Denver get Luck.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-10-2011, 11:26 AM
Why would Denver take Luck? They have Tebow.

Luck and Tebow on the field at the same time??!

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vailpass
10-10-2011, 11:26 AM
I didn't mean it would **** his career up, just that they would be wasting him. Also, Rodgers wasn't even close to this hyped coming out of college. Shit, he slid to 25 or 26, he wasn't hyped as a franchise changer from day 1 like Luck is.

If anything, it looks like the 3 years helped Rodgers.

The depth of your football knowledge is simpy immeasurable. Tell us more.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:26 AM
Yes. I've seen people here absolutely lamenting the prospect of Indy getting Luck and ruling the roost for 12 more years. I wondered if those same KC fans would rather see Denver get Luck.

Why would you rather see Luck in your own division? Ignorant.

Brock
10-10-2011, 11:26 AM
Yes. I've seen people here absolutely lamenting the prospect of Indy getting Luck and ruling the roost for 12 more years. I wondered if those same KC fans would rather see Denver get Luck.

That's a pretty stupid thing to wonder about. Would you rather see New England get another great QB, or Oakland?

KCrockaholic
10-10-2011, 11:27 AM
I would absolutely HATE if Luck went to Indy. Nothing would piss me off more.......

If I had my way, I'd have Luck end up in either Miami or Minnesota. I could at least stand to see him on those teams. I'm still disappointed that we wont be getting him.

I'm serious, trade away the entire 2012 draft for Luck if we have to.

Pants
10-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Yes. I've seen people here absolutely lamenting the prospect of Indy getting Luck and ruling the roost for 12 more years. I wondered if those same KC fans would rather see Denver get Luck.

As much as it would suck to see him go to Indy, it doesn't even compare to the worst case scenario of Denver getting Luck.

KCrockaholic
10-10-2011, 11:28 AM
It is interesting that the Packers didn't have to suck to draft a franchise QB in the first round. Who is this (coming draft) year's Rogers?

Foles or Barkley?

I assume Landry Jones is the 2nd QB taken though.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-10-2011, 11:29 AM
Who cares what Rodgers hype was before the draft? How's he doing now?

Are you going to sit here and say that because Luck is so hyped up that he's going to come in and be as good or better than Aaron Rodgers?

Are you going to sit here and pretend that the general feeling all over this board is that he isn't? People aren't even arguing that fact anymore. It's a law of nature at this point.

All I am really saying ITT, is that the thought would cross their mind. That is all, throw the world at them and they will at least hesitate for 2.5 seconds before they say no. That is all, it was never meant to be a who is better type of argument.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:29 AM
Foles or Barkley?

I assume Landry Jones is the 2nd QB taken though.

Foles isn't a first round projection so it would have to either be Jones or Barkley.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 11:30 AM
Are you going to sit here and pretend that the general feeling all over this board is that he isn't? People aren't even arguing that fact anymore. It's a law of nature at this point.

All I am really saying ITT, is that the thought would cross their mind. That is all, throw the world at them and they will at least hesitate for 2.5 seconds before they say no. That is all, it was never meant to be a who is better type of argument.

The general feeling is that Luck is going to be a franchise QB. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to come out and say he's going to be the best QB in the NFL.

Mr. Plow
10-10-2011, 11:32 AM
What happens if the Colts get Luck?


They draft Luck and then hold onto Manning until he is a year from retirement and clearly on the way out. Then, the Chiefs front office will trade a high 3rd rounder for him and proclaim to all the Chiefs fans "WE HAVE PEYTON FUCKING MANNING ON THE CHIEFS.....SUPER BOWL BOUND BITCHES!!"

vailpass
10-10-2011, 11:34 AM
Manning may very well never play another down of football in his life.

Hoover
10-10-2011, 11:35 AM
Indy will draft Luck and he will be the Jeff George of his era.

I think Indy is the worst place for Luck to land. Indy is OLD on both sides of the ball.

The offensive line is old up the center and inexperienced at the edges.

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are getting old fast.

They don't have a running back I'd want on our roster.

Defense has an aging Freeney, but not much else.

Luck needs to pray to God that he lands at a team with some young talent on it. If I were him I'd much rather end up in Miami, where its awesome to live, and you have some a LT and and other parts of the line in place for years to come. He also would have a nice target in Brandon Marshall. Who knows, Andy Reid might be his coach too.

Pants
10-10-2011, 11:35 AM
Manning may very well never play another down of football in his life.

He'll try to at the very least. The fire in his eyes was burning with the heat of 2 suns yesterday.

vailpass
10-10-2011, 11:37 AM
He'll try to at the very least. The fire in his eyes was burning with the heat of 2 suns yesterday.

No question, he will give it all he has.

Neck is a very very tricky thing.

Brock
10-10-2011, 11:38 AM
Indy will draft Luck and he will be the Jeff George of his era.

Stopped there. Painfully stupid.

chiefqueen
10-10-2011, 11:46 AM
It is interesting that the Packers didn't have to suck to draft a franchise QB in the first round. Who is this (coming draft) year's Rogers?

(Insert Kellen Moore's mugshot here.)

Hoover
10-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Stopped there. Painfully stupid.


George was an excellent passer who was on a number of shitty teams. Dude had all the talent in the world but not much to go with it. I think the same may be true of Luck if he ends up in a shitty situation.

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 03:15 PM
They draft him and have Peyton teach him like GB with Rodgers. Manning is retiring a Colt.

This

notorious
10-10-2011, 03:16 PM
Dude had all the talent in the world but not much to go with it.



Like brains?

KurtCobain
10-10-2011, 03:25 PM
They'll have to wrestle him from Miami's cold dead flippers

This times a thousand.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-10-2011, 03:31 PM
Dallas Clark will stop dropping passes.

whoman69
10-10-2011, 03:59 PM
To me this is the nightmare scenario. The one year a QB comes along that is said to be able to replace Peyton, he gets injured. They won't take five seconds to make that decision. Much like the Pack when Favre was nearing the end you have to take that pick.

notorious
10-10-2011, 04:02 PM
To me this is the nightmare scenario. The one year a QB comes along that is said to be able to replace Peyton, he gets injured .


This.


I want to burn down Indianapolis.

O.city
10-10-2011, 04:04 PM
Indy will draft Luck and he will be the Jeff George of his era.

I think Indy is the worst place for Luck to land. Indy is OLD on both sides of the ball.

The offensive line is old up the center and inexperienced at the edges.

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are getting old fast.

They don't have a running back I'd want on our roster.

Defense has an aging Freeney, but not much else.

Luck needs to pray to God that he lands at a team with some young talent on it. If I were him I'd much rather end up in Miami, where its awesome to live, and you have some a LT and and other parts of the line in place for years to come. He also would have a nice target in Brandon Marshall. Who knows, Andy Reid might be his coach too.

Honestly, if I am Luck right now, the place I really wanna fall into IS Kansas City. Everything is in place for him to come in a win right away. It won't happen but we are set up perfectly for that.

crispystl420
10-10-2011, 04:47 PM
Will they trade their pick and stick with Peyton Manning?
Will they draft Luck and groom him for a season or two behind Peyton Manning?
Will they start Luck his rookie season and shop Peyton Manning?
How would Chiefs fans feel if we ended up with Peyton Manning in his latter years ala Joe Montana?

The weed vs alcohol thread turns into the heroin vs pcp thread???

kysirsoze
10-10-2011, 04:51 PM
This.


I want to burn down Indianapolis.

What sucks is they are shitty fans. They were basically San Diego fans until they got Peyton Manning. They didn't deserve him and they don't deserve Luck.

notorious
10-10-2011, 04:54 PM
How many picks does NE have stockpiled? I would meltdown if they traded a few drafts to get Luck.

rico
10-10-2011, 05:31 PM
If Luck does bust (which I am pretty certain he won't) will they still predict who will be the next Ryan Leaf on draft day or who will be the next Andrew Luck? Leaf wasn't receiving near the hype as Luck pre-draft, was he?

O.city
10-10-2011, 05:34 PM
The more games we play and the more it is talked about, the reasons for not throwing this whole draft to get Luck start to dwindle. The WR on this team alone make this a perfect landing spot for Luck. If Baldwin turns out to be solid, not even great just a solid wr, our offense is in great shape.

IMO Pioli has no excuses for not giving up whatever it takes to go get Luck.

Sucky
10-10-2011, 05:35 PM
I feel sorry for any rookie QB to end up in Miami. That place is a mess. Then again knowing they can have Luck may bring in a top notch coaching staff

Their owner is gonna try and make a big splash in the offseason by hiring Gruden or Cowher.

Fritz88
10-10-2011, 05:35 PM
I will have serious existential questions if they score two elite qbs in a row.

Fritz88
10-10-2011, 05:37 PM
How many picks does NE have stockpiled? I would meltdown if they traded a few drafts to get Luck.

Rayn Mallet showed flashes of brilliance in the preseason. I don't think they will draft a QB. They will go for a WR.

O.city
10-10-2011, 05:38 PM
I am already getting pissed at Pioli for not getting the guy and it hasn't even happened yet.

Discuss Thrower
10-10-2011, 05:38 PM
The more games we play and the more it is talked about, the reasons for not throwing this whole draft to get Luck start to dwindle. The WR on this team alone make this a perfect landing spot for Luck. If Baldwin turns out to be solid, not even great just a solid wr, our offense is in great shape.

IMO Pioli has no excuses for not giving up whatever it takes to go get Luck.

By trading their 1st round pick over to whomever is #1 for the next 3-4 years?

With Pioli's record? Yikes.

Sucky
10-10-2011, 05:38 PM
This.


I want to burn down Indianapolis.

Fuck the Colts:mad:

O.city
10-10-2011, 05:39 PM
The Packers game last night is prime example for why we should get the guy. The Pack lost their starting LT, were without the RT, and Rodgers still lit up the Falcons.

O.city
10-10-2011, 05:40 PM
By trading their 1st round pick over to whomever is #1 for the next 3-4 years?

With Pioli's record? Yikes.

It won't take 3 or 4 first rounders I don't think. But yes to answer your post there is no way it happens.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-10-2011, 05:43 PM
I think they are in a tough spot if they do end up with the #1 overall.

Yeah... for this year which will be over by then.

crispystl420
10-10-2011, 05:44 PM
The more games we play and the more it is talked about, the reasons for not throwing this whole draft to get Luck start to dwindle. The WR on this team alone make this a perfect landing spot for Luck. If Baldwin turns out to be solid, not even great just a solid wr, our offense is in great shape.

IMO Pioli has no excuses for not giving up whatever it takes to go get Luck.

Fuck it I'm going to get neg repped from orbit for saying this but if we have Charles and Berry I think were 4-1 right now. Don't get me wrong that doesn't mean I don't want a QB. I want one as bad or worse than anyone. Just an observation.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 05:46 PM
**** it I'm going to get neg repped from orbit for saying this but if we have Charles and Berry I think were 4-1 right now. Don't get me wrong that doesn't mean I don't want a QB. I want one as bad or worse than anyone. Just an observation.

We had Charles in game 1. Our run game has sucked ass compared to last year. The blocking hasn't been getting it done.

crispystl420
10-10-2011, 05:54 PM
We had Charles in game 1. Our run game has sucked ass compared to last year. The blocking hasn't been getting it done.

Charles was killing Detroit early on. The Chargers game was close enough he could have put us over the top. Dude Jackie battle put up 100 yards yesterday I wouldn't exactly say the blocking hasn't gotten it done.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 05:55 PM
Charles was killing Detroit early on. The Chargers game was close enough he could have put us over the top. Dude Jackie battle put up 100 yards yesterday I wouldn't exactly say the blocking hasn't gotten it done.

Charles had 2 carries in Detroit...

crispystl420
10-10-2011, 06:10 PM
Charles had 2 carries in Detroit...

Point taken. It seemed like more. Don't you think we would at least be 3-2 or 4-1 with Charles and Berry though?

whoman69
10-10-2011, 07:12 PM
I would say we might be 3-2. No way we should go a half with 38 yards against SD. A good first half and we put that game away.

crispystl420
10-10-2011, 07:31 PM
I would say we might be 3-2. No way we should go a half with 38 yards against SD. A good first half and we put that game away.

If we had Charles in the Lions game do you think we wouldn't have relied on Cassel so.....Oh fuck it it the Germans hadn't bombed Pearl harbor.......

KC Tattoo
10-10-2011, 07:40 PM
Oh well, who ever gets Luck can only enjoy him just nearly 4 months & hey that's it. Dec 2012, End of the world as we know it.


And I feeeeeeeeeel fiiiiiiine.



So he can go to any of those loser teams of 1 or 2 wins & they can have the hope of Luck to resurrect a team to Super Bowl contintion, just too get squashed as the whole world crumbles into ashes. We on the other hand won't have that hopes and dreams of Super Bowl glory any time soon with Cassel at QB, we will be longing for the end of times.

(Thanks Mayons)

Fat Elvis
10-10-2011, 07:59 PM
The more games we play and the more it is talked about, the reasons for not throwing this whole draft to get Luck start to dwindle. The WR on this team alone make this a perfect landing spot for Luck. If Baldwin turns out to be solid, not even great just a solid wr, our offense is in great shape.

IMO Pioli has no excuses for not giving up whatever it takes to go get Luck.

I think Robert Griffin III might be a better fit in KC than Luck. A QB that throws as many TDs as incompletions, runs a 4.40 forty and is working on his masters degree while playing football as a junior is not something that should be easily dismissed. RG3 can make things happen that Luck could only dream about. Marino was a GREAT qb, but how many SBs did he win? As good as Peyton Manning is, he only has one ring. I'm not willing to toss an entire draft for a QB when there is someone who, when all is said and done, can be a franchise qb and would be as exciting as any QB in the league. You put RG3 behind center with Charles in the back field tossing the rock to Bowe, Moeaki, Baldwin (based on what we saw in preseason) with either McCluster or Breaston, and how do you defend that? RG3's accuracy, mobility and speed is a combination never seen before in the nfl--with those weapons, the offense is unstoppable.

Use those draft picks we would of dumped for Luck and shore up the O-line and the defense. That there is a formula for a team with multiple trips to the Super Bowl, my friends.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 08:01 PM
I think Robert Griffin III might be a better fit in KC than Luck. A QB that throws as many TDs as incompletions, runs a 4.40 forty and is working on his masters degree while playing football as a junior is not something that should be easily dismissed. RG3 can make things happen that Luck could only dream about. Marino was a GREAT qb, but how many SBs did he win? As good as Peyton Manning is, he only has one ring. I'm not willing to toss an entire draft for a QB when there is someone who, when all is said and done, can be a franchise qb and would be as exciting as any QB in the league. You put RG3 behind center with Charles in the back field tossing the rock to Bowe, Moeaki, Baldwin (based on what we saw in preseason) with either McCluster or Breaston, and how do you defend that? RG3's accuracy, mobility and speed is a combination never seen before in the nfl--with those weapons, the offense is unstoppable.

Use those draft picks we would of dumped for Luck and shore up the O-line and the defense. That there is a formula for a team with multiple trips to the Super Bowl, my friends.

How long do you give him before hes out for the season and sitting on the bench while Luck is throwing TDs for Miami?

Do not want a RB for a QB.

notorious
10-10-2011, 08:04 PM
Luck is a better fit on any team he plays on.

Fat Elvis
10-10-2011, 09:00 PM
How long do you give him before hes out for the season and sitting on the bench while Luck is throwing TDs for Miami?

Do not want a RB for a QB.

If the running back has a higher completion percentage, more tds, less ints, more yards/attempt, more yards than the "franchise qb," then I could settle for the "running back" if we have no chance at Luck.

-King-
10-10-2011, 09:06 PM
I didn't know Griffin was working on his masters. That's the kind of player Pioli would love. Comes from a strong family. Obviously smart. Humble. Great on the football field.

I'm on board.

Fat Elvis
10-10-2011, 09:19 PM
I didn't know Griffin was working on his masters. That's the kind of player Pioli would love. Comes from a strong family. Obviously smart. Humble. Great on the football field.

I'm on board.

http://nflsfuture.com/robert-griffin-iii-scouting-report/

Is it possible to play any better than Robert Griffin III is playing at the moment?

Last season, we watched as Cam Newton destroyed opponents on his way to a Heisman, National Championship, and #1 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. Newton was the most dynamic player in college football and even he didn’t amass the numbers or the level of domination that RGIII is throwing up on opponents.

With RGIII’s outburst have come the Cam Newton comparisons. The only comparable with Newton is his meteoric rise up draft boards. RGIII is a dean’s list student that earned his degree in Political Science in three years and is currently working on his master’s in communications. RGIII is a mixture of smarts, world class athleticism, and arm talent that are not comparable to anyone. The closest comparison to RGIII is not Cam Newton or Mike Vick but more of a Steve Young (with twice the speed).

RGIII will not take over the number one slot in the 2012 NFL Draft from Andrew Luck. I will, however, make an argument for RGIII to unseat Matt Barkley and Landry Jones for the second QB off the board come April.

Here’s a breakdown of the skills that will make Robert Griffin III a top 5 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Arm Strength

RGIII doesn’t have Mike Vick’s arm strength but can make any and every throw on the field. He will have no problem throwing the deep out from the far hash into a tight window. In addition to pure arm strength, RGIII can throw the ball down the field with accuracy from any spot on the field. You won’t see receivers, and he has a good one with speed, outrunning his arm.

Accuracy

RGIII would stand out in this area compared to Vick or Newton coming out of college. He leads the NCAA in completion percentage at 85% currently. Aside from the numbers, RGIII is throwing receivers to spots much like a good NFL QB would do after they have mastered an offense. His accuracy is impeccable and probably the single most important reason why he has taken a giant leap in the 2012 NFL Draft prospect rankings.

Mechanics

Griffin has a perfect over-the-top throwing motion and does a great job setting his feet and transferring weight. Usually, guys that are naturally runners struggle with the feet side of the throwing motion but RGIII has picture perfect throwing balance and weight transfer that help with his upper body.

Pocket Awareness

Hard to argue against a guy that has taken two sacks all year but if there’s an area to nitpick this would be it. He has a great sense for oncoming blitzers but tends to hold onto the ball when nothing is there. He will need to learn to get rid of the ball rather than take unnecessary hits in the NFL. Mike Vick is currently learning this the hard way. It’s tough teaching this because it’s part of what makes these guys great.

Athleticism

RGIII was a semifinalist at the Olympic Trials in the 400 hurdles following high school. He’s a nightmare for defenses in space with his speed and agility. He’s the closest thing to Mike Vick that we have seen coming out of college and should run in the low 4.4’s at the Combine. More importantly than his raw speed, is his ability to throw on the run. What makes RGIII so dangerous is that he is always looking downfield for open receivers. Teams have to game plan for his athleticism but also his ability to throw on the run which makes him a danger that we haven’t seen. Cam Newton is good at keeping his eyes downfield and Mike Vick has learned this skill over time but RGIII is better than either at keeping teams honest with this ability.

Intangibles

As I mentioned, RGIII is a dean’s list student but also a student of the game. Teammates have talked about his work ethic in the film room and leadership abilities. He is further ahead than Vick or Newton were on the mental side of the game.

In most normal years, without Andrew Luck, RGIII would be talked about as a candidate for the number one pick in the NFL Draft. Put all the above attributes together and you have a complete package that is a top 5 lock in the 2012 NFL Draft.



http://heismanpundit.com/2011/09/08/robert-griffin-iii-college-footballs-renaissance-man/

Somewhere out there, a little kid is sitting at home dreaming of being the next Robert Griffin III.

Given that we live in a low-down, dirty era of sports scandals and scoundrels, be assured that this is a good thing.

A very good thing.

What does that child see when he looks at Griffin?

How about a two-sport athletic marvel excelling at the most difficult position in football, who also happens to be an honors student with a bachelor’s degree in political science already pinned to his wall, a master’s degree in communications in progress and law school on the horizon?

If all were right with the world, an athlete with this kind of resume would be a household name. But the vast majority of the country is just now getting acquainted with Griffin thanks to his 359-yard, 5-touchdown performance in Baylor’s thrilling 50-48 win over TCU last Friday. It was quite a ‘how do you do’ to the college football world. And it looks like his life may never be the same again.

“It’s been crazy since that game,” said Griffin, who flew to Arlington afterward to appear on ESPN’s College Game Day. “I’ve done so many interviews, they’re calling me Ambassador Griffin. I think it’s a funny title, but I’ll do whatever I can do to help the university. I think it’s good to contribute to something bigger than yourself.”

Griffin should know all about that concept and the sacrifice it entails. After all, he’s the son of two retired U.S. Army sergeants. So it seems natural that he’d carry their selfless attitude over to his athletic career. Indeed, Griffin skipped his final semester at Copperas Cove High to enroll at Baylor so that he might contribute right away, in whatever fashion he could.

In the early going, that meant track and field, where his impact was immediate. A gifted hurdler, he finished third in the 400-meter intermediates at the 2008 NCAA meet, earning All-American honors in college before he had even completed his first pass on the gridiron. The athleticism, coordination and attitude required to dominate in one of track’s most difficult events carried over to his quarterbacking duties later that fall.

“Playing quarterback usually isn’t easy,” said Griffin, a redshirt junior who has been starting at Baylor since his second game. ”But as long as you have a good head on your shoulders, it can be. Being able to run the 400 hurdles, which is a man’s event and one of the hardest in track, gives you that mentality. It makes you focus on how successful you’re going to be, not on whether you might fail.”

It also teaches how to push one’s body to the limit for a larger goal. There is no better example of that than what Griffin did on Baylor’s final scoring drive against TCU.

Beleaguered after giving up 25 unanswered points to fall behind, 48-47, and with time ticking away, the Bears faced a third down and 10 at their own 20 yard line. They looked like they might fold under the pressure.

But Griffin wasn’t done yet. Working out of the shot gun, he threw a backwards pass in the right flat to wide receiver Kendall Wright, who then zipped it back to Griffin, who had run his route up the seam. Griffin caught it while getting smashed between two defenders.

For a second, he was down. He struggled to his feet, a bit shaken up.

But it was a first down. The gutsy play call by Baylor coach Art Briles had worked and the Bears were still alive and, more importantly, kicking.

“Coach Briles gave me the confidence to go and run it,” said Griffin. ”He called it right away, without hesitation. Kendall threw a great ball. I’m glad I could make the play.”

It could end up being the best play in college football all season. The trickery gave a spark to the rest of the team as it went on to clinch the program’s biggest win in years.

“Whenever you have a quarterback catching the ball while getting smashed between two guys, that’s grounds for getting a little hyped,” said Griffin.

If there’s a little hype around Baylor these days, Griffin is to blame. But if not for a few twists of fate, he might now be playing for a Miami team about to get hit hard by NCAA penalty. Growing up, Griffin was a big Miami fan.

“I loved the Hurricanes and those Ken Dorsey teams,” said Griffin. “I almost ended up there until Larry Coker got fired.”

So how, then, did he end up at Baylor?

“Coach Briles was a huge part of it,” said Griffin. “I really appreciated his honesty. Plus, Baylor is a Christian university and I’m a Christian. Academics was also big, as well as the track tradition. But I knew I could come here and play two sports and play football early.

“I knew I didn’t want to go somewhere else and sit for two years and get lost in the shuffle. It’s never a guarantee that you’ll play early, but if you put the work in, you can do it.”

Furthermore, the Briles offensive system seemed perfectly suited for Griffin’s rare talent.

“I like all the options I have at the line of scrimmage,” said Griffin, who threw for 3,501 yards and rushed for 635 last season. “An experienced quarterback in this system has unlimited options. Coach Briles dares to be different. He loves speed, but he also loves to create mismatches. He thinks on his feet. I’m proud to play for him.”

Last year, Griffin led the Bears to their first bowl since 1994. Heading into the 2011 season, he is being mentioned as a candidate for the Heisman Trophy. He made the Heismanpundit.com Preseason Watch List and came in third in the most recent HP poll of Heisman voters. But despite all the accolades and attention, Griffin won’t stop talking about ‘team’.

“The Heisman is a team award,” he said. ”If you win, that means your team did well. You have to win a lot of games. It’s gone away from being an individual award and now it’s been who’s the best player on one of the best teams. If I could take my whole team to the ceremony, I would.”

It’s a long season and, whatever happens, Griffin can be proud of what he’s accomplished so far. One or two more years of college ball awaits, then most likely an NFL career. Meanwhile, he still intends to study law and maybe get back to running a little track at some point, something he hasn’t done much of since his All-American freshman year.

He has no doubt that he can pick up where right he left off.

“Track is just something that’s in me,” Griffin said. ”There’s no telling what going to happen with that in the future. It’s like riding a bike. You never forget.

“It’s all about your mindset. Your mind can make your body do more than it realizes.”

Like catch a pass over the middle. Or lead a team to new heights.

Or, even win a Heisman.


I'll take him.

whoman69
10-10-2011, 09:22 PM
If we had Charles in the Lions game do you think we wouldn't have relied on Cassel so.....Oh **** it it the Germans hadn't bombed Pearl harbor.......

They led 20-3 after the first half. We rushed 29 times for 151 yards which is a 5.2 yard average. To keep your WWII analogy in place, you're trying to tell me that the Hiroshima bombing wasn't really needed.

highBOLTage
10-10-2011, 09:55 PM
Option D: Revolutionary two franchise QB offense.

O.city
10-11-2011, 07:24 PM
If the running back has a higher completion percentage, more tds, less ints, more yards/attempt, more yards than the "franchise qb," then I could settle for the "running back" if we have no chance at Luck.

Have you watched Luck play at all. I could give two shits about stats they don't matter. Keenum is putting up crazy numbers at Houston. Should we draft him.

Andrew Luck makes this team a contender the minute he steps foot on the draft stage and is handed a Chiefs hat. Griffin does not. I don't understand some peoples stance on this. Why not go get the absolute very best qb you can get?

I'm tired of hearing this, "Peyton Manning only won 1 superbowl, Marino didn't win any" crap. They weren't handed the weapons we have on offense and an extremely young upcoming defense that we have.