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Buck
10-10-2011, 12:46 PM
2 options. Chargers or Raiders.

I thought about adding the other 2 teams for the lolz, but lets be serious here.

I'm only posting this because I have doubt that the Chargers are. I think the Raiders have looked better so far. Want to get an outsiders view.

Baconeater
10-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Chiefs.

Okie_Apparition
10-10-2011, 12:54 PM
Jackson>Norv

jd1020
10-10-2011, 12:57 PM
There's a difference between who wins the division and who are the favorites to win.

To say the Raiders are favorites to win the division over the Chargers is plain stupidity.

HemiEd
10-10-2011, 01:04 PM
I can not bring myself to use the word favorite, and those two teams in the same sentence.

I really hate to say it, but have been mentioning it for a couple years now. The Raiders are on the rise, and are making less stupid decisions. Hopefully they will continue to self implode on the field, on a regular basis.

The Chargers aren't going to win anything under Norv, but they may get another AFW title.
I am very shamed to admit, I was hoping someone would kill Rivers when he ran for that TD yesterday.

wazu
10-10-2011, 01:07 PM
To say the Raiders are favorites to win the division over the Chargers is plain stupidity.

You should probably know that the Chargers almost lost to Tim Tebow yesterday.

jd1020
10-10-2011, 01:08 PM
You should probably know that the Chargers almost lost to Tim Tebow yesterday.

You should probably know that almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

vailpass
10-10-2011, 01:10 PM
Another year where the West competes for the right to get nazi stomped in the first round of the playoffs. IMHO Oakland has the best chance to win a palyoff game.

Buck
10-10-2011, 01:26 PM
There's a difference between who wins the division and who are the favorites to win.

To say the Raiders are favorites to win the division over the Chargers is plain stupidity.

Why?

BigMeatballDave
10-10-2011, 02:08 PM
This will be fun to re-visit if the Chiefs get hot again take the division.

BoneKrusher
10-10-2011, 02:11 PM
Raiders.
they have the better OLine, Dline and RB.
throw in a couple speedy WR's and they will be tough to beat.
afterall they owned the AFC West last season.

Sofa King
10-10-2011, 02:46 PM
The Seahawks.

Buck
10-10-2011, 02:57 PM
I wonder when cdcox's numbers come out?

ClevelandBronco
10-10-2011, 03:09 PM
I have to think that Norv is a difference maker.

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 03:12 PM
The chargers are the favorites, by a LOT still

I think the raiders are 4 : 1

Chiefs are 80 : 1 LOL

Chargers are lke 1 : 7.5 or some crazy shit



I think the odds are skewed, but as the question is stated "who are the favorites" the answer is SD.

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 03:13 PM
Why?

Because they aren't the favorites?

wazu
10-10-2011, 03:14 PM
The chargers are the favorites, by a LOT still

I think the raiders are 4 : 1

Chiefs are 80 : 1 LOL

Chargers are lke 1 : 7.5 or some crazy shit



I think the odds are skewed, but as the question is stated "who are the favorites" the answer is SD.

If that is what this thread was created for then Google would have been a better option. I was assuming the point of having a poll was to find out which team users of this site believe is most likely to actually win the AFC West, as opposed to what the latest Vegas odds are.

AcesCasino
10-10-2011, 03:26 PM
Let's see the four AFCW teams five weeks from now...... I'd imagine a more clear-cut fave might emerge. The RaiDUHs seem to be playing more SOLID football with a QB that's less than stellar, while the Chargers are beating 1-win teams, and THEIR quarterback doesn't look too sharp, either......Division's wide open.....

BigRock
10-10-2011, 03:48 PM
The best team San Diego has beaten is the Chiefs.

http://i55.tinypic.com/fxue5w.gif

Ugly Duck
10-10-2011, 04:06 PM
Let's see the four AFCW teams five weeks from now......

Interesting side note: Raiders only play one team (SD) with a winning record in the next 7 games. They are a combined 8-19.

2-2 Cleveland
2-3 Chiefs
1-4 Denver
1-4 Vikings
2-2 Chicago
0-4 Miami

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 04:19 PM
If that is what this thread was created for then Google would have been a better option. I was assuming the point of having a poll was to find out which team users of this site believe is most likely to actually win the AFC West, as opposed to what the latest Vegas odds are.

If you don't think SD is the clear favorite, put your money on Choke-town then and win an 'easy' 4 to 1 bet..

$1000 will win you $4000 plus your $1000 back.

Put your money where your mouth is if you are smarter than 'Vegas'.

KurtCobain
10-10-2011, 04:21 PM
I say raiders go 3-3 in that stretch with losses to Min, Kc, and Chi.

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 04:22 PM
Interesting side note: Raiders only play one team (SD) with a winning record in the next 7 games. They are a combined 8-19.

2-2 Cleveland
2-3 Chiefs
1-4 Denver
1-4 Vikings
2-2 Chicago
0-4 Miami

Do you think that Oakland will win one game in the playoffs if they even make it?

KurtCobain
10-10-2011, 04:22 PM
If you don't think SD is the clear favorite, put your money on Choke-town then and win an 'easy' 4 to 1 bet..

$1000 will win you $4000 plus your $1000 back.

Put your money where your mouth is if you are smarter than 'Vegas'.

I don't think he ever implied he, or anyone else for that matter, is smarter than 'Vegas'.

I think he was trying to explain to you the purpose of this specific poll, sir.

Bowser
10-10-2011, 04:24 PM
I voted Raiders for the sole purpose to piss off the OP. In your goddamned face, Buck.

Pawnmower
10-10-2011, 04:26 PM
I don't think he ever implied he, or anyone else for that matter, is smarter than 'Vegas'.

I think he was trying to explain to you the purpose of this specific poll, sir.

Well I wasn't implying that only he should take advantage of the offer that Vega$ has for anyone who thinks the Raiders are the 'favorites' to win the division.

Theres free money to be had there for anyone, sir.

$1000 to win 4k + your 1K back.

I am not even implying, saying or suggesting it is a bad bet...

In fact I might lay down big money on it....but that still doesnt mean OAK is the favorite..

Just because you 'think' they are going to win doesn't mean they are FAVORED.

I seriously might bet on OAK tho.

Chiefshrink
10-11-2011, 09:46 AM
Jackson>Norv

This and Oakland has a better D that will stop a better QB.

Count Alex's Wins
10-11-2011, 10:33 AM
You know you fear Arrowhead in 3 weeks.

Iconic
10-11-2011, 10:39 AM
If we beat the Raiders twice I choose Chiefs... i'M BEIN' SRS.

Sofa King
10-11-2011, 10:44 AM
The chiefs are winning out.

Championship.

RedNeckRaider
10-11-2011, 10:46 AM
There's a difference between who wins the division and who are the favorites to win.

To say the Raiders are favorites to win the division over the Chargers is plain stupidity.

To say anyone is a favorite is plain stupidity. Oakland is one game back, KC is 2 games back and Denver gave both Oakland and SD all they wanted. SD has been far from impressive. I will stick to what I said before the season, there is very little difference between all four teams~

King_Chief_Fan
10-11-2011, 10:47 AM
Raiders

jd1020
10-11-2011, 10:51 AM
To say anyone is a favorite is plain stupidity. Oakland is one game back, KC is 2 games back and Denver gave both Oakland and SD all they wanted. SD has been far from impressive. I will stick to what I said before the season, there is very little difference between all four teams~

I agree. KC and Denver are definitely in the division title hunt.

:spock:

RedNeckRaider
10-11-2011, 11:12 AM
I agree. KC and Denver are definitely in the division title hunt.

:spock:

Really? 2 games out with 11 to go :spock:

jd1020
10-11-2011, 11:14 AM
Really? 2 games out with 11 to go :spock:

Bengals are .5 games back and the Browns are 1 game back. You think they win their division? Hell... Everyone starts the season tied for 1st! Everyone's a contender!!!!!!!!!!

You're stupid.

Chiefs are -73 in points. Bring us home boys! We've got a division to win!

Ugly Duck
10-11-2011, 11:57 AM
If we beat the Raiders twice I choose Chiefs...

http://www.bbsradio.com/userfiles/image/Image/When%20Pigs%20Fly/WhenPigsFly.jpg

Count Alex's Wins
10-11-2011, 12:08 PM
The Raiders and Chargers are going to start panicking if we beat them.

No one wants a piece of this.

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/09/17/31/1fB8rA.SlMa.81.jpg

vailpass
10-11-2011, 12:10 PM
[QUOTE=Gif Horse;7986355]The Raiders and Chargers are going to start panicking if we beat them.

No one wants a piece of this.LMAO

Iconic
10-11-2011, 12:27 PM
http://www.bbsradio.com/userfiles/image/Image/When%20Pigs%20Fly/WhenPigsFly.jpg

:eek:
We definitely be winning that division title now!
BTW anyone else extremely hyped for Patriots vs. Chiefs game. It will be interesting to see how Cassel reacts in that game. It's personally my favorite on the schedule.

Rausch
10-11-2011, 12:32 PM
Do you think that Oakland will win one game in the playoffs if they even make it?

I don't think any team in this division will...

Old Dog
10-11-2011, 12:35 PM
You're not way off Pawnmower, but San Diego is a crazier favorite than you thought
Currently the odds are

San Diego 1-12
Oakland 7-2
KC 20-1
Denver 60-1

RedNeckRaider
10-11-2011, 05:15 PM
Bengals are .5 games back and the Browns are 1 game back. You think they win their division? Hell... Everyone starts the season tied for 1st! Everyone's a contender!!!!!!!!!!

You're stupid.

Chiefs are -73 in points. Bring us home boys! We've got a division to win!

Look dipshit I tried to play nice with you, but is clear you are...well a dipshit. KC gave SD all they wanted and have won two games and very easily could have won three. This is a weak division and they are damn sure still in the race. Before the season I offered sig bets for both games because I thought Oakland was better. There were many here who thought KC would repeat. I have watched football for several years and am smart enough to know that there is a shit ton of season left~

vailpass
10-11-2011, 05:28 PM
Look dipshit I tried to play nice with you, but is clear you are...well a dipshit. KC gave SD all they wanted and have won two games and very easily could have won three. This is a weak division and they are damn sure still in the race. Before the season I offered sig bets for both games because I thought Oakland was better. There were many here who thought KC would repeat. I have watched football for several years and am smart enough to know that there is a shit ton of season left~

You called it. I thought this season SD would play like a team with a dominant QB in a weak division but so far they aren't head-and-shoulders above anyone.
Yes, it's still early so we will see but so far.....

Iconic
10-11-2011, 05:33 PM
Look dipshit I tried to play nice with you, but is clear you are...well a dipshit. KC gave SD all they wanted and have won two games and very easily could have won three. This is a weak division and they are damn sure still in the race. Before the season I offered sig bets for both games because I thought Oakland was better. There were many here who thought KC would repeat. I have watched football for several years and am smart enough to know that there is a shit ton of season left~

Just ignore him. He's a fuck tard who argues just for the sake of argument.

Ugly Duck
10-11-2011, 06:30 PM
Just ignore him. He's a **** tard who argues just for the sake of argument.

Here... let me try: Don't go counting up any "easy" victories, RedNeck. It was tough enough to start the season with two road games. Then facing the Jets and the Pats. Then going up against Houston on the road immediately after losing the Godfather. Looks easier at home against Cleveland & KC, eh? Consider this... the Browns are coming off a bye. They've had two weeks to rest up, heal up & gameplan. Then the Chiefs come to town after their bye. They'll have had two weeks to rest up, heal up & gameplan. Looks easier "on paper" than it will be in real life, me bucko. Ain't nothin' in the bag.

cdcox
10-11-2011, 07:02 PM
I wonder when cdcox's numbers come out?

I picked the Raiders in the poll, but my software still says the Chargers are the strong favorite.

<p>AFC WEST</p>
<p><table border="1">
<tr><td>Team</td><td>1st</td><td>2nd</td><td>3rd</td><td>4th</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>San Diego</td>
<td>60.188</td>
<td>31.714</td>
<td>6.94</td>
<td>1.158</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Oakland</td>
<td>35.218</td>
<td>46.078</td>
<td>14.778</td>
<td>3.926</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Kansas City</td>
<td>2.94</td>
<td>13.206</td>
<td>41.008</td>
<td>42.846</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Denver</td>
<td>1.654</td>
<td>9.002</td>
<td>37.274</td>
<td>52.07</td>
</tr>
</table></p>

griZZly64
10-11-2011, 07:07 PM
Chiefs

Ugly Duck
10-11-2011, 07:07 PM
Third consecutive sellout in Oaktown. KC will be the 4th. Emotions running high with fans, team & local media....

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whoman69
10-11-2011, 07:56 PM
Third consecutive sellout in Oaktown. KC will be the 4th. Emotions running high with fans, team & local media....

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GlPcARLDm8w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Sounds like they're ready for a bust. Everybody rewriting history to make Al Davis into some kind of hero. That will come down to reality as well.

Hog Farmer
10-11-2011, 08:14 PM
I cannot say this enough but,,,, Buck, Go fuck yourself you ghey fucking cock sucking man whore !

Mr. Arrowhead
10-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Dwayne Bowe is going to carry us to a championship

Bacillus Anthracis
10-11-2011, 09:15 PM
The Chargers are a game up but they're 0-1 against the one team with a winning record they've played. And they haven't looked exceptional in any other game they've played. Their window slammed shut two years ago and they've been going downhill ever since then.

That doesn't mean they suck, it just means that they shouldn't be such a heavy favorite to win the division: 1-12 odds is absolutely silly. You should be able to bet against that and get 12-1. But it doesn't work like that.

The Chargers next three games are at New York, at KC, and then they have Green Bay at home. At the very best they go 1-2 during that stretch and 0-3 isn't impossible. They're just not what they used to be.

The Raiders next three games are all at home against Cleveland, KC, and Denver. As of right now, it looks like Oakland should win all three of those games.

That would put the Raiders at 6-2 after 8 games and SD at 4-4 or 5-3 when they meet with the Raiders coming off a bye going into San Diego. If Oakland can beat them there and get a three game lead, it's all over except seeding arrangement.

The Raiders will win the division and likely be the #3 seed, meaning they'll host the lowest seeded wildcard team.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-11-2011, 09:52 PM
The Chargers are gonna win it this year. Too much talent. Rivers is a bad ass. I know they've beaten only bad teams but they did what good teams do...take care of bad teams. Duh.

Philip Rivers > Jason Campbell. The Raiders are the Raiders. They fail even when you think failing is impossible (6-0 in the division last year and they still didn't make the playoffs, that's embarrassing).

Ugly Duck
10-11-2011, 10:53 PM
The Chargers are a game up but they're 0-1 against the one team with a winning record they've played. And they haven't looked exceptional in any other game they've played. Their window slammed shut two years ago and they've been going downhill ever since then.

That doesn't mean they suck, it just means that they shouldn't be such a heavy favorite to win the division: 1-12 odds is absolutely silly. You should be able to bet against that and get 12-1. But it doesn't work like that.

The Chargers next three games are at New York, at KC, and then they have Green Bay at home. At the very best they go 1-2 during that stretch and 0-3 isn't impossible. They're just not what they used to be.

The Raiders next three games are all at home against Cleveland, KC, and Denver. As of right now, it looks like Oakland should win all three of those games.

That would put the Raiders at 6-2 after 8 games and SD at 4-4 or 5-3 when they meet with the Raiders coming off a bye going into San Diego. If Oakland can beat them there and get a three game lead, it's all over except seeding arrangement.

The Raiders will win the division and likely be the #3 seed, meaning they'll host the lowest seeded wildcard team.

I... I think I love you. I've never felt this way about a man before....

RedNeckRaider
10-12-2011, 05:01 AM
Just ignore him. He's a **** tard who argues just for the sake of argument.

LMAO Iconic?? funny username as I have never even heard of you. Your username should be ironic~

RedNeckRaider
10-12-2011, 05:05 AM
Here... let me try: Don't go counting up any "easy" victories, RedNeck. It was tough enough to start the season with two road games. Then facing the Jets and the Pats. Then going up against Houston on the road immediately after losing the Godfather. Looks easier at home against Cleveland & KC, eh? Consider this... the Browns are coming off a bye. They've had two weeks to rest up, heal up & gameplan. Then the Chiefs come to town after their bye. They'll have had two weeks to rest up, heal up & gameplan. Looks easier "on paper" than it will be in real life, me bucko. Ain't nothin' in the bag.

I don't think you understand what I was saying. I do think Oakland is better than KC. However I was trying to explain to the idiots that it is still a 3 team race as they are only 1 behind us and 2 behind the Chargers with 11 to go. Clearly too difficult for the dipshits to grasp~

Buck
10-12-2011, 05:11 AM
Dude, the Chiefs fucking suck so bad. I don't know what planet you're living on.

bevischief
10-12-2011, 06:59 AM
Dude, the Chiefs ****ing suck so bad. I don't know what planet you're living on.

Chiefsplanet.

LOCOChief
10-12-2011, 07:47 AM
Dude, the Chiefs ****ing suck so bad. I don't know what planet you're living on.

We'll beat SD here on Monday night and I've got casino cash to back that up.

Fritz88
10-12-2011, 07:57 AM
You just jinxed your team, Buck.

We will win the Division if we own the Raiders at Oak.

Iconic
10-12-2011, 01:03 PM
LMAO Iconic?? funny username as I have never even heard of you. Your username should be ironic~

.... I was talking about JD n00b! I hate that narcissistic asshole.

RedNeckRaider
10-12-2011, 05:58 PM
.... I was talking about JD n00b! I hate that narcissistic asshole.

My mistake, that JD dipshit irritated me and I thought you were defending him~

Chiefs Pantalones
10-12-2011, 06:43 PM
We'll beat SD here on Monday night and I've got casino cash to back that up.

I hope. I'll be at that game.

O.city
10-12-2011, 06:44 PM
I hope. I'll be at that game.

You gonna dress up?

I'm thinking bout waiting it out and going to the Pitt game on Sunday night.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-12-2011, 06:51 PM
You gonna dress up?

I'm thinking bout waiting it out and going to the Pitt game on Sunday night.

Lol nah I thought about it. A couple friends of mine are. My wife and I are flying in for a few days to visit family and I'm taking them to the game. My wife is a Cowboys fan and my family and I are all diehard Chiefs fans so this is like punishment to her and pleasure to me watching her haha

Priest31kc
10-12-2011, 06:59 PM
If the Chiefs can beat Oakland & San Diego on Monday Night in the next 2 weeks, we'll definitely have a shot. 6-3 could very well happen as we got Miami & Denver at home afterwards.

RedNeckRaider
10-12-2011, 07:27 PM
If the Chiefs can beat Oakland & San Diego on Monday Night in the next 2 weeks, we'll definitely have a shot. 6-3 could very well happen as we got Miami & Denver at home afterwards.

See this is the deal I was talking about. After a pretty discouraging start and some injuries this place blew up with "suck for luck" threads and sigs. I have hung out here for several years and that is just the planet being the planet. I posted after the first two games that the season was young and the competition is weak in the west. That was met with the obligatory flames. I really think Oakland has turned the corner and is building a contender. They are not there yet, and the Chargers are way the fuck overrated. Denver could easily play the spoiler role and hand painful losses to any of the other 3 teams. This deal is far from over. I still crack up and sometimes get irritated with the gloom and doom posts and know nothing idiots talking shit when I point out this clearly possible observation. Do I think KC will pull it off? no but to dismiss the possibility is just silly~

milkman
10-12-2011, 07:40 PM
Norv Turner never has the Chargers raedy to start the season, but they've managed to win 4 games, games against teams, even as easy as their schedue has been, that they would have lost to in previous seasons to start the year.

Will they step up and play the way they have in the latter half of the season in previous seasons?

Assuming they remain true to form, they should win the division.

BigMeatballDave
10-12-2011, 07:56 PM
Dude, the Chiefs fucking suck so bad. I don't know what planet you're living on.

Your boys are gonna get punk'd on Halloween.

O.city
10-12-2011, 08:15 PM
Norv Turner never has the Chargers raedy to start the season, but they've managed to win 4 games, games against teams, even as easy as their schedue has been, that they would have lost to in previous seasons to start the year.

Will they step up and play the way they have in the latter half of the season in previous seasons?

Assuming they remain true to form, they should win the division.

I would think that, but usually they lose on stupid shit, which they haven't done this year. But Rivers hasn't been very good at all. I dunno and maybe it is just me but he hasn't impressed me this year. I don't think the Chargers defense is near as good as it has been in the past either.

Ugly Duck
10-12-2011, 08:18 PM
Norv Turner never has the Chargers raedy to start the season, but they've managed to win 4 games

True - Sandy Eggo hasn't looked like world-beaters so far:

MIN - Struggled all game long to eventually beat them by a TD late.

KC - 3 pt. win & the Chargers needed a key redzone interception w/ 1:26 left in the game to seal the victory. KC dominated the 2H & was driving for the win prior to the pick.

MIA - 10 pt win at home. You would hope they would win by at least that much. The Dolphins are teh suck and were toe to toe at half time.

Den - 5 Pt win @ Mile High. Unlike vs OAK, Denver was in this game the whole time. Also a PI call was missed in the final play that would've put Denver on the San Diego's 1 yard line. SD dodged a bullet in this win.

Next up for SD: KC, OAK, GB, and CHI.

Next up for OAK: Browns, KC, SD, Den

O.city
10-12-2011, 08:19 PM
While I think it is between Oaktown and SD, I would like to see the Chiefs crawl back and play meaningful games.

Brianfo
10-12-2011, 08:22 PM
Another year where the West competes for the right to get nazi stomped in the first round of the playoffs. IMHO Oakland has the best chance to win a palyoff game.

This. Raider nation has awoke. They can run the ball and play defense. Pretty good combination. Norv Turner is the worst coach in AFC West if not all of football. Noone has won less with more talent.

Bacillus Anthracis
10-12-2011, 08:44 PM
True - Sandy Eggo hasn't looked like world-beaters so far:

MIN - Struggled all game long to eventually beat them by a TD late.

KC - 3 pt. win & the Chargers needed a key redzone interception w/ 1:26 left in the game to seal the victory. KC dominated the 2H & was driving for the win prior to the pick.

MIA - 10 pt win at home. You would hope they would win by at least that much. The Dolphins are teh suck and were toe to toe at half time.

Den - 5 Pt win @ Mile High. Unlike vs OAK, Denver was in this game the whole time. Also a PI call was missed in the final play that would've put Denver on the San Diego's 1 yard line. SD dodged a bullet in this win.

Next up for SD: KC, OAK, GB, and CHI.

Next up for OAK: Browns, KC, SD, Den

Right. And it's the schedule that now benefits us. I figured us 1-2 at best for the Texans/Pats/Jets stretch but we went 2-1 instead. San Diego won the games they should have won and now they've got a tough stretch. But I don't think they'll come out ahead.

There's no good reason the Raiders shouldn't go 3-0 over their next four games. It's definately not a gimme. Injuries, idiot penalties, the defense relapsing, etc. The defense... I don't like to say it but with Al gone Bres can run the thing the way he wants. He can put our guys in places to succeed rather than having to put them where Al tells him to put them.

That first quarter against the Texans was the Al influenced gameplan. After that it was Bres doing what he thought he needed to do. Not that he's a great DC but at least now he can do what every DC in the league does: what he thinks is best. We made more adjustments after the first quarter of that last game than we have in all the games leading up to it combined.

Middle of the pack D. That's all we need.

Bacillus Anthracis
10-12-2011, 08:49 PM
This. Raider nation has awoke. They can run the ball and play defense. Pretty good combination. Norv Turner is the worst coach in AFC West if not all of football. No one has won less with more talent.

Marty Schottenheimer comes to mind. The Chiefs should have been good for a Superbowl win at some point in the 90's. His biggest F-up ever was pulling Gannon for Grbac in that divisional playoff game against Denver.

That was unreal. KC was the best team in the league that year and I honestly think they would have won it all if Marty had done the sensible thing and let Gannon remain as the qb.

I didn't think that I could have ever felt bad for Marty until his Charger team choked on him in the playoffs against New England. He did everything right and they completely shit the bed for him. That was tough to watch.

Best regular season coach in the world. Worst playoff coach of all time.

milkman
10-12-2011, 09:09 PM
Marty Schottenheimer comes to mind. The Chiefs should have been good for a Superbowl win at some point in the 90's. His biggest F-up ever was pulling Gannon for Grbac in that divisional playoff game against Denver.

That was unreal. KC was the best team in the league that year and I honestly think they would have won it all if Marty had done the sensible thing and let Gannon remain as the qb.

I didn't think that I could have ever felt bad for Marty until his Charger team choked on him in the playoffs against New England. He did everything right and they completely shit the bed for him. That was tough to watch.

Best regular season coach in the world. Worst playoff coach of all time.

I'd bet that even had he started Gannon, he'd have choked still.

That San Diego loss was the first time in his entire career as a coach in the playoffs that he didn't go directly into play not to lose mode.

Sadly ironic that when he finally figured it out, he never got the chance again.

Brianfo
10-12-2011, 09:17 PM
Dude, the Chiefs ****ing suck so bad. I don't know what planet you're living on.

Youre and idiot. We hung around in your crib for 4 quarters as one of the worst teams in the league. We win on Oct. 31 and I will be there to witness it. Norv Turner is the worst coach in the league and Phil Rivers is a fukn crybaby. Go fuk yourself and die in a fire after falling out of an aids tree.

Ugly Duck
10-12-2011, 09:27 PM
Marty Schottenheimer"s biggest F-up ever was pulling Gannon for Grbac in that divisional playoff game against Denver. That was unreal. KC was the best team in the league that year and I honestly think they would have won it all if Marty had done the sensible thing and let Gannon remain as the qb.

I've often thought about that myself. No way KC would have let Gannon come to Oaktown if they had played Gannon in those playoffs. Raiders were in a terrible funk. Then started Gannon, claimed 3 consecutive AFCW titles, played in some AFC Championship games, and alas suffered the misfortune of competing against their own coach in a SuperBowl. OAK would have seen none of that if KC hadn't switched Grbac for Gannon when the Chiefs were kicking ass.

Mr. Arrowhead
10-12-2011, 09:32 PM
I've often thought about that myself. No way KC would have let Gannon come to Oaktown if they had played Gannon in those playoffs. Raiders were in a terrible funk. Then started Gannon, claimed 3 consecutive AFCW titles, played in some AFC Championship games, and alas suffered the misfortune of competing against their own coach in a SuperBowl. OAK would have seen none of that if KC hadn't switched Grbac for Gannon when the Chiefs were kicking ass.

thanks for making us us better smh

Bacillus Anthracis
10-13-2011, 09:49 AM
I've often thought about that myself. No way KC would have let Gannon come to Oaktown if they had played Gannon in those playoffs. Raiders were in a terrible funk. Then started Gannon, claimed 3 consecutive AFCW titles, played in some AFC Championship games, and alas suffered the misfortune of competing against their own coach in a SuperBowl. OAK would have seen none of that if KC hadn't switched Grbac for Gannon when the Chiefs were kicking ass.

Yeah... Marty was the f'ing bane of our existence in the 90's. That dude had our number. But when he pulled Gannon it was the coaching equivalent of taking a time release cyanide capsule.

And what if we'd ended up with Grbac? It's too terrible to contemplate. As far as Grbac personally, I admired the guy. He got paid a shit-ton of money and when he was sick of all the crap that comes with being an NFL qb, he quietly said "F you" and strolled off into the sunset with his millions.

And he wasn't a bad quarterback, he just wasn't as good as initially thought. He'd play great for weeks at a time but then his brain would take a trip to the Bahamas for a game or two.

At any rate, thanks Marty for starting Grbac in that game even though I was rooting for you guys to win it at the time.

Buck
10-23-2011, 11:09 PM
You just jinxed your team, Buck.

We will win the Division if we own the Raiders at Oak.

Shit.

Baconeater
10-23-2011, 11:10 PM
I still say Chiefs.

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 11:12 PM
Shit.

The new poll should be, is it possible for anyone to run a worse 2 minute offense than Rivers against the Jets?

Smed1065
10-23-2011, 11:26 PM
Buck has talked a lot shit this year for him. We need a new "poll" for him. :) Oh NM he gets his polls from the bars.

TEX
10-23-2011, 11:30 PM
I still like the Raiders chances no matter what happened today.

O.city
10-23-2011, 11:32 PM
I still like the Raiders chances no matter what happened today.

Ur an idiot.

They are likely without McClain and their corners on d for a while, which wouldn't make alot of difference.

McFadded went down today and they are worse off than us at qb now.

No way they win the division and I would be surprised if they even have a winning record.

Rain Man
10-23-2011, 11:40 PM
Ur an idiot.

They are likely without McClain and their corners on d for a while, which wouldn't make alot of difference.

McFadded went down today and they are worse off than us at qb now.

No way they win the division and I would be surprised if they even have a winning record.

McClain actually came back and played in the second half, so his injury wasn't serious at all. Of course, you may simply be referring to the fact that McClain is the most fragile linebacker any of us has ever seen and will likely miss future games because other players bully him and shove him to the ground.

keg in kc
10-23-2011, 11:43 PM
Our schedule is still what it's always been. So I still think winning 8 games would be an achievement. It's San Diego's division to lose.

But it's San Diego...so they're capable. Of losing it.

O.city
10-23-2011, 11:45 PM
Our schedule is still what it's always been. So I still think winning 8 games would be an achievement. It's San Diego's division to lose.

But it's San Diego...so they're capable. Of losing it.

Our schedule isn't as tough as it was built up to be.

I really think if we play good football from here out we could get to 9-7 or maybe 10-6

TEX
10-23-2011, 11:49 PM
Ur an idiot.

They are likely without McClain and their corners on d for a while, which wouldn't make alot of difference.

McFadded went down today and they are worse off than us at qb now.

No way they win the division and I would be surprised if they even have a winning record.

Hey dipshit - remember when KC was losing players left and right? The Raiders will deal with it and adjust, just like KC is doing now. I'll bet ya anything they finish with a winning record. Don't kid yourself, there is a LOT of talent on their roster.

O.city
10-23-2011, 11:50 PM
Hey dipshit - remember when KC was losing players left and right? The Raiders will deal with it and adjust, just like KC is doing now. I'll bet ya anything they finish with a winning record. Fool.

There is no way they can with the qb carousel going roundd and round.

TEX
10-23-2011, 11:54 PM
There is no way they can with the qb carousel going roundd and round.

We agree on that. However, I'm betting Palmer settles down when they have a proper game plan featuring him "managing" the game. Today was a farce - when Run DMC went down, so did they. Their plan was to control the clock and let the QB "manage" the game. That went out the window and they were limited on what they could do. It will be a different story as the season goes on.

keg in kc
10-23-2011, 11:58 PM
Our schedule isn't as tough as it was built up to be.I'm not sure what's different now than what most folks thought before the season started:

San Diego's 4-2.
Miami's Miami
Denver's Denver
New England's 5-1
Pittsburgh's 5-2
Chicago's 4-3
Jets are 4-3
Green Bay's undefeated and killing everyone
Oakland's schizophrenic

I expect we'll split with Denver, beat SD, lose at home to Oakland, finish the division 3-3 (That's 5-5 for the season). Probable win against Miami. That leaves at New England, at Chicago, at the Jets, home against Green Bay and Pittsburgh. I'd call all 5 of those probable losses. Counting Miami as their 6th win, they'd have to win 3 of those 5 tough games to reach 9-7, 4 to go 10-6. I just don't see it. At this point I'd say 6-10 is probably more likely than 10-6.

They needed to beat Buffalo and/or Detroit to win 10. They're too far behind the 8-ball now.

Rausch
10-23-2011, 11:58 PM
McClain actually came back and played in the second half, so his injury wasn't serious at all. Of course, you may simply be referring to the fact that McClain is the most fragile linebacker any of us has ever seen and will likely miss future games because other players bully him and shove him to the ground.

LMAO

TEX
10-24-2011, 12:29 AM
I'm not sure what's different now than what most folks thought before the season started:

San Diego's 4-2.
Miami's Miami
Denver's Denver
New England's 5-1
Pittsburgh's 5-2
Chicago's 4-3
Jets are 4-3
Green Bay's undefeated and killing everyone
Oakland's schizophrenic

I expect we'll split with Denver, beat SD, lose at home to Oakland, finish the division 3-3 (That's 5-5 for the season). Probable win against Miami. That leaves at New England, at Chicago, at the Jets, home against Green Bay and Pittsburgh. I'd call all 5 of those probable losses. Counting Miami as their 6th win, they'd have to win 3 of those 5 tough games to reach 9-7, 4 to go 10-6. I just don't see it. At this point I'd say 6-10 is probably more likely than 10-6.

They needed to beat Buffalo and/or Detroit to win 10. They're too far behind the 8-ball now.

Probably so to win 10, but before the season I saw them at 3-3 after 6. I figured they would beat Buffalo, Minnesota, Detroit, and lose to Oakland, Indy, and San Diego... I predicted a 9-7 finish so they're right on schedule in my book.

SNR
10-24-2011, 01:21 AM
I'm not sure what's different now than what most folks thought before the season started:

San Diego's 4-2.
Miami's Miami
Denver's Denver
New England's 5-1
Pittsburgh's 5-2
Chicago's 4-3
Jets are 4-3
Green Bay's undefeated and killing everyone
Oakland's schizophrenic

I expect we'll split with Denver, beat SD, lose at home to Oakland, finish the division 3-3 (That's 5-5 for the season). Probable win against Miami. That leaves at New England, at Chicago, at the Jets, home against Green Bay and Pittsburgh. I'd call all 5 of those probable losses. Counting Miami as their 6th win, they'd have to win 3 of those 5 tough games to reach 9-7, 4 to go 10-6. I just don't see it. At this point I'd say 6-10 is probably more likely than 10-6.

They needed to beat Buffalo and/or Detroit to win 10. They're too far behind the 8-ball now.That 5 game stretch isn't as killer as it looked at the beginning.

I still say we can and will beat Chicago. They're really not that good of a team. Green Bay at home could very well be one of those games where the Packers have the division already wrapped up and kind of do a, "meh... who cares" thing. All good teams have those, even the 18-1 Patriots almost got beat. And this Chiefs team does weird shit all the time. They could very well beat New England or Pittsburgh (although that's not very likely at all).

If we take care of even one of those games, and go 4-2 in the division, that's 9-7. In this division that's nothing to shake a stick at, especially with the implosion-ready Chargers.

Rausch
10-24-2011, 01:29 AM
That 5 game stretch isn't as killer as it looked at the beginning.

Nope.

I still say we can and will beat Chicago.

Nope.

Green Bay at home could very well be one of those games where the Packers have the division already wrapped up and kind of do a, "meh... who cares" thing. All good teams have those, even the 18-1 Patriots almost got beat.

No, we'll get a reality check that week.

And this Chiefs team does weird shit all the time. They could very well beat New England or Pittsburgh (although that's not very likely at all).

I don't think we'll beat NE but Pitt is a very schizophrenic team. I think they could beat or lose to any team any week. I could see Pitt beating the Pats by 20 pts and then losing to us. They're that up and down.

If we take care of even one of those games, and go 4-2 in the division, that's 9-7. In this division that's nothing to shake a stick at, especially with the implosion-ready Chargers.

9-7 will win this division...

SNR
10-24-2011, 01:33 AM
What's so good about the Bears? Forte is an overrated turd. Just because the team relies on him heavily doesn't make him valuable. People want to equate him to Martz's Marshall Faulk or Saunders' Priest Holmes. He's nothing like those two guys, and not nearly as talented.

It will be a defensive struggle for sure. A timely Cutler interception or two is all we would really need to beat them.

Rausch
10-24-2011, 01:42 AM
It will be a defensive struggle for sure. A timely Cutler interception or two is all we would really need to beat them.

We'd need a lot more than that.

The Bears in some ways remind me of the Herm-Chiefs.

A lot of talent being misused.

I think Smith is twice the coach (position or HC) Herm will ever be but that's still a team with a lot of talent that just hasn't found it's pace yet.

I guess I just don't see them underachieving vs. a team that is very easy to take advantage of...

keg in kc
10-24-2011, 10:24 AM
That 5 game stretch isn't as killer as it looked at the beginning.

I still say we can and will beat Chicago. They're really not that good of a team. Green Bay at home could very well be one of those games where the Packers have the division already wrapped up and kind of do a, "meh... who cares" thing. All good teams have those, even the 18-1 Patriots almost got beat. And this Chiefs team does weird shit all the time. They could very well beat New England or Pittsburgh (although that's not very likely at all).

If we take care of even one of those games, and go 4-2 in the division, that's 9-7. In this division that's nothing to shake a stick at, especially with the implosion-ready Chargers.So you say the 5 game stretch isn't as killer as it looked at the beginning, and then go on to talk about how we can and will beat one of the teams, then about how we might beat Green Bay if they overlook us and how the Chiefs could but probably won't beat New England and Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that doesn't sound killer at all.

O.city
10-24-2011, 10:32 AM
Pitt at home on Sunday night- We all know how night primetime games at Arrowhead can turn out.

Chicago- Honestly right now, the Bears are the Vikings with a better defense and special teams. Cutler is Cutler and their oline is awful. Forte is leading that team. Play them just like we did Minnesota and see what happens.

Green Bay- Tough one in GB.

NE- If we are gonna get beat that game, it might as well be by bringing blitzes damn near every down. Get after Brady. Their defense is awful, I think Battle could battleram them and try and keep it away from Brady.

NYJ- right now the Jets just are inconsistent. They aren't as good on D as they were the last two years, and Sanchez can easily be rattled.

There is no reason we shouldn't take 2 from Denver, beat the Chargers at home and the Faid at home, beat the Phins.

We win those games and win 2 of the 5 tough games that's 10 wins. It probably won't happen, but unlike a month ago, it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

keg in kc
10-24-2011, 10:46 AM
I'd say expecting to go 5-1 in the division is a little crazy. There was no reason they shouldn't have swept Denver last year, either, yet they were blown out in one game and barely survived the other. Oakland yesterday was a fluke. Once they get Palmer integrated, and it may take weeks, they'll be better than they were with Campbell. It's a home game, so it should be winnable, but KC will have to be much better offensively than they were yesterday to win in week 16, even at Arrowhead. They won't be able to cruise by on a pair of pick-6s.

I believe San Diego Monday is winnable, but my fear is that the Chiefs missed a golden opportunity by blowing the road game in week 3 (Cassel's wtf? pick...). While I expect a good game, at the same time it would not surprise me at all to see the Chargers come out and make a statement Monday night.

We'll see what happens. And I never said 10 wins was impossible. Only unlikely. I think 10 losses is probably more likely. Which isn't the same thing as predicting that. I think they'll end up right at 8.

SNR
10-24-2011, 10:48 AM
So you say the 5 game stretch isn't as killer as it looked at the beginning, and then go on to talk about how we can and will beat one of the teams, then about how we might beat Green Bay if they overlook us and how the Chiefs could but probably won't beat New England and Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that doesn't sound killer at all.Everybody (including me) predicted 0-5 for that stretch in our schedule. I'm now saying 1-4 or maybe even 2-3 is possible, which is all we need.

keg in kc
10-24-2011, 10:52 AM
Everybody (including me) predicted 0-5 for that stretch in our schedule. I'm now saying 1-4 or maybe even 2-3 is possible, which is all we need.I guess that's the difference. I didn't ever expect them to go 0-5 for that. At least prior to the season. After week 2 my expectations soured a bit. Either way, I always saw the Jets and Bears as winnable games. The other three not so much.

RedNeckRaider
10-24-2011, 10:56 AM
See this is the deal I was talking about. After a pretty discouraging start and some injuries this place blew up with "suck for luck" threads and sigs. I have hung out here for several years and that is just the planet being the planet. I posted after the first two games that the season was young and the competition is weak in the west. That was met with the obligatory flames. I really think Oakland has turned the corner and is building a contender. They are not there yet, and the Chargers are way the **** overrated. Denver could easily play the spoiler role and hand painful losses to any of the other 3 teams. This deal is far from over. I still crack up and sometimes get irritated with the gloom and doom posts and know nothing idiots talking shit when I point out this clearly possible observation. Do I think KC will pull it off? no but to dismiss the possibility is just silly~

The chest pounding by those who did not bail and go suck for luck is well deserved. On the other hand...

O.city
10-24-2011, 11:04 AM
I'd say expecting to go 5-1 in the division is a little crazy. There was no reason they shouldn't have swept Denver last year, either, yet they were blown out in one game and barely survived the other. Oakland yesterday was a fluke. Once they get Palmer integrated, and it may take weeks, they'll be better than they were with Campbell. It's a home game, so it should be winnable, but KC will have to be much better offensively than they were yesterday to win in week 16, even at Arrowhead. They won't be able to cruise by on a pair of pick-6s.

I believe San Diego Monday is winnable, but my fear is that the Chiefs missed a golden opportunity by blowing the road game in week 3 (Cassel's wtf? pick...). While I expect a good game, at the same time it would not surprise me at all to see the Chargers come out and make a statement Monday night.

We'll see what happens. And I never said 10 wins was impossible. Only unlikely. I think 10 losses is probably more likely. Which isn't the same thing as predicting that. I think they'll end up right at 8.

It is a little crazy. I'm just stating that we SHOULD go that in the division if we have any hope of repeating as div. champs.

While it sucks that Berry, charles, and moeaki went down, the young guys are getting great experience which will help next year and down the road. Lewis is having to grow up real fast Bowe and Breaston are taking their games to the next level.

BlueBolt
10-24-2011, 05:12 PM
Silly chiefs fans....

We all the know the Bolts got AFCW on lock.

Enjoy the cellar with the Donkeys!

Pawnmower
10-24-2011, 05:14 PM
Silly chiefs fans....

We all the know the Bolts got AFCW on lock.

Enjoy the cellar with the Donkeys!

did you even read the fucking post? the Chiefs aren't even an option you fucking tool.

BlueBolt
10-24-2011, 05:26 PM
did you even read the ****ing post? the Chiefs aren't even an option you ****ing tool.

I meant the silly chiefs fans that picked the Turds.

Baconeater
10-24-2011, 05:33 PM
did you even read the fucking post? the Chiefs aren't even an option you fucking tool.
That didn't stop me from picking them.

vailpass
10-24-2011, 05:38 PM
AFC West is no threat come playoffs once again *sigh*

whoman69
10-24-2011, 08:04 PM
Shouldn't this poll be about who finishes 2nd?

Am I out of date in stating the Raiders are no longer the favorites to win the Super Bowl like we were hearing last week?

lcarus
10-24-2011, 08:07 PM
What's the point of this thread? This is a Chiefs board. Obviously KC is most people's favorite AFC West team here. (not serious)

thurman merman
10-24-2011, 08:19 PM
This poll sucks.

teedubya
11-02-2011, 02:53 PM
I wonder if Buck would like to revise the poll options, yet??

Ugly Duck
11-02-2011, 04:31 PM
I wonder if Buck would like to revise the poll options, yet??

Are you saying you don't take BlueBolt seriously?

Count Alex's Wins
11-02-2011, 04:34 PM
The Raiders and Chargers are going to start panicking if we beat them.

No one wants a piece of this.

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Ugly Duck
11-02-2011, 04:49 PM
No one wants a piece of this.
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Count Alex's Wins
11-02-2011, 04:52 PM
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