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Brianfo
10-12-2011, 07:56 PM
That was one of the hot topics on 810 this week. What say you? I think the guy is a legit top 5 WR in the NFL. Look at his numbers the last couple of years. When he gets the ball in space, he is almost impossible to tackle. Especially, one on one. Look at his numbers the last 15 months and he is no doubt in the conversation as best in the league. Just imagine if he had a qb that could consistently get him the ball or if we didn't wait til we were down 14 in the second quarter to get him involved. Think his jersey is my next Chiefs purchase.

O.city
10-12-2011, 07:58 PM
What did they say about him on 810

mdchiefsfan
10-12-2011, 07:59 PM
He is on pace to be in the discussion. But his Top 10 play must last longer than his diva stage did to eclipse that memory. He is headed in the right direction. When that man is motivated nothing stops him.

whatsmynameagain
10-12-2011, 07:59 PM
Cool story, brah :clap:

Fish
10-12-2011, 08:07 PM
Top 10 WR.. easily...

-King-
10-12-2011, 08:09 PM
He's easily a top 10 receiver., I don't know about top 5 though
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Brianfo
10-12-2011, 08:10 PM
I have only bought 3 authentic Chiefs jerseys in my life. DT, Joe Montana, and Tony G. 2 of the 3 are in the hall and the third is a lock. No pressure, D-Bowe.

Brianfo
10-12-2011, 08:11 PM
What did they say about him on 810

They think he is a diva so far. Most of the beat writers, don't give KC any respect.

Shogun
10-12-2011, 08:11 PM
I dont know how many receivers could do as much as Bowe has with the QB's throwing to him.

BossChief
10-12-2011, 08:12 PM
He is absolutely top 10.

No question.

What he does between now and the end of the year might even put him in the top 5.

Champ x2
Revis
Jammer (only listed because he tends to give Bowe a bit of trouble)
McCourty
Whoever covers him against GB

Lots of good matchups.

O.city
10-12-2011, 08:12 PM
Eh, I think basically all wr are divas.

Marcellus
10-12-2011, 08:16 PM
What has Bowe done since 2009 to look like a diva?

I know what he has done since 2009 to look like a top 10 WR.

Smed1065
10-12-2011, 08:18 PM
I dont know how many receivers could do as much as Bowe has with the QB's throwing to him.

This and that.

milkman
10-12-2011, 08:19 PM
What has Bowe done since 2009 to look like a diva?

I know what he has done since 2009 to look like a top 10 WR.

I would guess this discussion was fueled by his qoute that was taken out of context in that recent interview he did.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 08:19 PM
What exactly has Bowe done that is diva? He's spilled some beans he shouldn't have(importing) and said dumb things, but never anything diva I can think of.

DonTellMeShowMe
10-12-2011, 08:20 PM
how is Bowe a diva?

aturnis
10-12-2011, 08:20 PM
I would guess this discussion was fueled by his qoute that was taken out of context in that recent interview he did.

I never actually saw the true context of that statement. Anyone care to link me to an article or a post? Yeah...that would be great....

Brock
10-12-2011, 08:20 PM
He's had garbage - absolute garbage - at the QB position since he got here. Yeah, he's a badass.

durtyrute
10-12-2011, 08:25 PM
who cares what he says off the field, look at what he does on the field. The best WR the Chiefs have had in years and people still want to fucking criticize.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 08:26 PM
who cares what he says off the field, look at what he does on the field. The best WR the Chiefs have had in years and people still want to ****ing criticize.

Who's criticizing?

Fruit Ninja
10-12-2011, 08:27 PM
Top 5 WR and a Diva. nothing wrong with it. So he likes a bit of attention. Keep making plays and attention whore it up!

O.city
10-12-2011, 08:29 PM
Thats the thing. If he's producing on the field, who cares.

Demonpenz
10-12-2011, 08:31 PM
He is a big reciever who can go up and get the ball, decent hands, had some shit games where he drops balls, but that's what happens when your team has boring offenses, he is a beast to tackle. Would like to see more WR drags.

Demonpenz
10-12-2011, 08:31 PM
people bitch on here because of the drop balls but guys drop balls who get thrown their way a bunch.

Marcellus
10-12-2011, 08:32 PM
I would guess this discussion was fueled by his qoute that was taken out of context in that recent interview he did.

The carrying the team thing I am guessing?

Shogun
10-12-2011, 08:38 PM
Yeah so the guy used to go to the club shirtless, who cares, i do that

milkman
10-12-2011, 08:42 PM
I never actually saw the true context of that statement. Anyone care to link me to an article or a post? Yeah...that would be great....

It's buried in the thread about it somewhere around here.

The carrying the team thing I am guessing?

Yep.

durtyrute
10-12-2011, 08:42 PM
Who's criticizing?

Mostly the media

O.city
10-12-2011, 08:44 PM
If the guy is catching touchdowns, I don't care if he is running a hooker ring. He is a football player on my fav. pro football team, not my preacher. I know he has to be a role model or whatever but i'm not blind to what prof. athletes are like.

BossChief
10-12-2011, 08:49 PM
I can say this with absolute certainty.

Bowe WAS a diva and he may well have flashes of it still, but the way he comes off in interviews and on the field he is absolutely not a diva anymore.

He has a level of focus -right now- that guys like TO NEVER got to.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 08:50 PM
Mostly the media

What do you care what the local media thinks? The KC media has proven themselves time and again that they know less about football than some of the most idiotic posters on this board.

Demonpenz
10-12-2011, 08:52 PM
Bowe is fighting for balls. That gets old after awhile trying to slap away corners hands fighting for shit balls that cassel throws.

durtyrute
10-12-2011, 08:53 PM
What do you care what the local media thinks? The KC media has proven themselves time and again that they know less about football than some of the most idiotic posters on this board.

true indeed

durtyrute
10-12-2011, 08:54 PM
Bowe is fighting for balls. That gets old after awhile trying to slap away corners hands fighting for shit balls that cassel throws.

Just imagine what he could do if he didn't have to jump, or do some yoga move in order to catch passes.

KCUnited
10-12-2011, 08:54 PM
It's hard to play in the constant shadow of the goal post.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 08:55 PM
Bowe completely dominates lesser defenders, but he can be shut down by the top corners. I don't know how to rank him.

Marcellus
10-12-2011, 08:58 PM
Bowe completely dominates lesser defenders, but he can be shut down by the top corners. I don't know how to rank him.

His QB is part of this. Bowe has to have huge separation for Cassel to hit him.

Anybody near him and Cassel looks the other way.

One thing about Cassel, he doesn't force balls in to coverage very often.

jd1020
10-12-2011, 08:59 PM
Anybody near him and Cassel looks the other way.


No. If someone is near Bowe, Cassel takes a sack. He doesn't go to a second read.

Bowe is top 10, not top 5, but he's about to get top 5 money because he's a lock for the franchise tag.

durtyrute
10-12-2011, 09:00 PM
Bowe completely dominates lesser defenders, but he can be shut down by the top corners. I don't know how to rank him.

Most shut down corners do just that, shut down WRs. If he had a better qb he would be in the top five of almost every category.

Marcellus
10-12-2011, 09:00 PM
No. If someone is near Bowe, Cassel takes a sack. He doesn't go to a second read.

Bowe is top 10, not top 5, but he's about to get top 5 money because he's a lock for the franchise tag.

The other way is usually looking at his feet.

SPATCH
10-12-2011, 09:02 PM
Do people still really become concerned by "diva" behavior from athletes? wake the **** up. it's 2011.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 09:03 PM
Most shut down corners do just that, shut down WRs. If he had a better qb he would be in the top five of almost every category.

Most top 10 WRs don't get shut down by anybody. Bowe completely disappears.

jd1020
10-12-2011, 09:04 PM
Do people still really become concerned by "diva" behavior from athletes? wake the **** up. it's 2011.

Ask Ochocinco how warm that bench is.

durtyrute
10-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Most top 10 WRs don't get shut down by anybody. Bowe completely disappears.

That is true, but how much of that is Bowe and how much of it is Cassel? Good QB's squeeze it into tight places all of the time. Cassel rarely does that. I'm not saying it's all Cassel, and I can't just put it all on Bowe either.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Do people still really become concerned by "diva" behavior from athletes? wake the **** up. it's 2011.

Exactly. The two greatest WRs from the past 20 years that weren't considered divas are Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison.

Harrison is a gang leader, and Jerry Rice went on Dancing with the Stars.

WRs are all head-cases. They just are.

Marcellus
10-12-2011, 09:06 PM
Most top 10 WRs don't get shut down by anybody. Bowe completely disappears.

Top 5 maybe. Top 10, many of them have off games.

Hell Moss had many, many games he was on the back of a milk carton.


Like I said Cassel plays a roll in that as well.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:11 PM
No shit Cassel plays a roll in it. The only pass he throws Bowes way regardless of coverage is along the sideline, where it'll most likely be caught by Bowe, or soar out of bounds.

In the playoff game, I don't even believe Bowe was targeted.

O.city
10-12-2011, 09:13 PM
Granted most of the time Bowe has been a Chief, he hasn't exactly had anyone to keep him from being doubled. Tony was here in the beginning but hell they would both get doubled.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:15 PM
Haha, you mentioning Tony being here his first couple years reminds me of the TD Bowe stole from Tony in the back of the endzone. Classic.

Reaper16
10-12-2011, 09:17 PM
False binary. But yeah, he's top 10.

NJChiefsFan
10-12-2011, 09:18 PM
I don't think its even close. Even in his diva days he made plays and put up numbers. He is doing this with Matt Cassel and the other crap we had at QB. I don't even blink with answering Top 10 WR.

Okie_Apparition
10-12-2011, 09:20 PM
Stupid Kansan Teabaggers
nothing but a bunch of Trust Fund sniffers
DIE IN HELL

KcMizzou
10-12-2011, 09:23 PM
Haha, you mentioning Tony being here his first couple years reminds me of the TD Bowe stole from Tony in the back of the endzone. Classic.He played it cool, but you know that pissed him off.

I love Bowe. Yeah, he's run his mouth a bit, but it's not like he's a cancer to the team. He just wanted to be a star. He talked like one before he got there.... Haley came around and put him in his place.... and now he's actually getting what he wanted.

Shogun
10-12-2011, 09:23 PM
Give me Dwayne Bowe and early 2000's Eddie Kennison every day

suzzer99
10-12-2011, 09:28 PM
Someone should dig up the threads from about this time last year where everyone (including me prob) had about had it with Bowe after the big drop at Indy.

What he's done since that game has been mind boggling.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:31 PM
Someone should dig up the threads from about this time last year where everyone (including me prob) had about had it with Bowe after the big drop at Indy.

What he's done since that game has been mind boggling.

mind bottling.

jd1020
10-12-2011, 09:33 PM
mind bottling.

huh?

kysirsoze
10-12-2011, 09:34 PM
Someone should dig up the threads from about this time last year where everyone (including me prob) had about had it with Bowe after the big drop at Indy.What he's done since that game has been mind boggling.

I know I had. My opinion about Bowe around that time has to be the furthest off I've ever been about a player and that's saying something.

milkman
10-12-2011, 09:34 PM
huh?

I'm assuming he's trying to add to the planet lexicon.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:35 PM
huh?

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SNR
10-12-2011, 09:38 PM
Fuck you all and fuck your mothers, too.

This is a diva:

di·va   [dee-vuh, -vah]
noun, plural -vas, -ve  [-ve]

"A distinguished female singer; prima donna."


Bowe is NOT a diva you flaming fucking dumbfucks. Die in an AIDS fire, all of you. Fuck you.

Shogun
10-12-2011, 09:41 PM
Fuck you all and fuck your mothers, too.

This is a diva:

di·va   [dee-vuh, -vah]
noun, plural -vas, -ve  [-ve]

"A distinguished female singer; prima donna."


Bowe is NOT a diva you flaming fucking dumbfucks. Die in an AIDS fire, all of you. Fuck you.
but he kind of looks like shaft

thurman merman
10-12-2011, 09:41 PM
No one has even answered the question that several people have asked yet. How is Bowe a diva?

He is a badass WR that is undoubtedly among the best in the league despite having a horrible quarterback.

But how is he a diva?

suzzer99
10-12-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm assuming he's trying to add to the planet lexicon.

For all intensive purposes.

kysirsoze
10-12-2011, 09:42 PM
No one has even answered the question that several people have asked yet. How is Bowe a diva?

He is a badass WR that is undoubtedly among the best in the league despite having a horrible quarterback.

But how is he a diva?

He has a personality. That's bad in the No Fun League.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:42 PM
**** you all and **** your mothers, too.

This is a diva:

di·va   [dee-vuh, -vah]
noun, plural -vas, -ve  [-ve]

"A distinguished female singer; prima donna."


Bowe is NOT a diva you flaming ****ing dumb****s. Die in an AIDS fire, all of you. **** you.

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KcMizzou
10-12-2011, 09:42 PM
For all intensive purposes.LMAO

thurman merman
10-12-2011, 09:44 PM
He has a personality. That's bad in the No Fun League.

What, like, cause he smiles a lot? What has he done, on or off the field, that constitutes being a diva?

suzzer99
10-12-2011, 09:45 PM
I know I had. My opinion about Bowe around that time has to be the furthest off I've ever been about a player and that's saying something.

I think he might be tied with Tamba for me in that dept. After Herm got done with him, I thought Tamba was going to out of the league in a few years.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:45 PM
For all intensive purposes.

Ha! That one cracks me up! Who used that one?

SNR
10-12-2011, 09:47 PM
No one has even answered the question that several people have asked yet. How is Bowe a diva?

He is a badass WR that is undoubtedly among the best in the league despite having a horrible quarterback.

But how is he a diva?I hate this shit too.

If you ever look at Matt Cassel off camera he's a goofy fucking bastard. Jokes around all the time.

But people think he's this calm game manager who has shit under control all the time.

Meanwhile Dwayne Bowe is reported to go through a vigorous pre-game regimen to get himself ready to play on Sundays. He blocks like a freight train and owns faces when he catches the ball in space. All of his small hangups that he has stem from route running (which is still pretty damn good, it's just that's his weakest area as a WR. That and consistency in holding onto the catch).

But who's the goofy fuck that's an egotistical asshole? Bowe is, of course!

kysirsoze
10-12-2011, 09:49 PM
What, like, cause he smiles a lot? What has he done, on or off the field, that constitutes being a diva?

He talks himself up and makes funny plays on his name. That and he made some dumb comments about bringing girls to the team hotel rooms or whatever. He's also worked his ass off to become 10 times the receiver he was when we drafted him.

What he hasn't done is throw his shitty QB or anyone else under the bus. Anyone who thinks DBowe is a diva can get go fuck themselves. He has been the only thing worth watching on this team this year.

TheGuardian
10-12-2011, 09:51 PM
Bowe has quietly become top 5. I say quietly because he doesn't get a lot of pub.

Second, the corner argument isn't valid. ANYONE that gets matched up against Revis gets shut down. Bowe has fucking dominated Bailey before. It's just that everyone remembers Champ holding him without a catch during his big run last year in ONE game. In the game before that Bowe beat his ass like Champ owed him money. So it's a give and take. Bowe will get a chance to match up against some great corners this year, but I agree with the folks who say QB has a lot to do with what happens in those match ups. I mean, you put Bowe in Green Bay, New Orleans, or New England and people aren't asking if he's top 10 they are asking if he's the best guy in the league.

The drops thing? Big f'n deal. TO dropped a shit ton of balls in his career and was never sure handed. But he was always in the discussion for best WR in the league in his prime.

SNR
10-12-2011, 09:51 PM
GoChiefs is kind of an asshole with a big personality around this forum. He's a bit of a diva.

No he's not. That's not what a diva is.

Jesus fuck I'm so pissed off I can't see straight

KcMizzou
10-12-2011, 09:52 PM
He talks himself up and makes funny plays on his name. That and he made some dumb comments about bringing girls to the team hotel rooms or whatever. He's also worked his ass off to become 10 times the receiver he was when we drafted him.

What he hasn't done is throw his shitty QB or anyone else under the bus. Anyone who thinks DBowe is a diva can get go **** themselves. He has been the only thing worth watching on this team this year.The guy's just trying to get better, and have fun while he does it.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 09:52 PM
No shit. That's another area where Haley deserves a ton of credit. Not only will his players run through a brick wall for him, but somehow he has kept the lockerroom from unfolding on it's weakest link, the QB.

suzzer99
10-12-2011, 09:53 PM
Ha! That one cracks me up! Who used that one?

plenty of dumb hoochies

KcMizzou
10-12-2011, 09:54 PM
GoChiefs is kind of an asshole with a big personality around this forum. He's a bit of a diva.

No he's not. That's not what a diva is.

Jesus **** I'm so pissed off I can't see straightCalm down, I'm sure Dianna Ross and company are just fine.

Claynus
10-12-2011, 09:55 PM
GoChiefs is kind of an asshole with a big personality around this forum. He's a bit of a diva.

No he's not. That's not what a diva is.

Jesus fuck I'm so pissed off I can't see straight

I'm going to have my username changed to "The Go"

SNR
10-12-2011, 09:57 PM
The top 3 are definitely the following:

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Andre Johnson
3. Larry Fitzgerald

After that you have a bunch of guys like Mike Wallace, Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Reggie Wayne (meh) Wes Welker (meh) and Dwayne Bowe. I think I might take Bowe out of all of those guys simply because his skills and talent are better than all of them, and we have yet to see what Bowe can REALLY do with a great QB.

I think I'd put Bowe at #4 with Roddy or Mike Wallace as the 5.

suzzer99
10-12-2011, 09:58 PM
Good list. I'd add Steve Smith and Desean Jackson.

aturnis
10-12-2011, 10:02 PM
Donald Driver

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-12-2011, 10:11 PM
I have no doubt once he signs elsewhere he'll be both.

cdcox
10-12-2011, 10:18 PM
Depends if the NBA labor issue is settled soon. Bowe won't even see the field once all the WR talent locked up in the NBA hits the NFL. Or so I'm told.

Shogun
10-12-2011, 10:21 PM
Depends if the NBA labor issue is settled soon. Bowe won't even see the field once all the WR talent locked up in the NBA hits the NFL. Or so I'm told.

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Deberg_1990
10-12-2011, 11:50 PM
DBowe reminds me of a good looking Terrell Owens.

NJChiefsFan
10-13-2011, 12:02 AM
The top 3 are definitely the following:

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Andre Johnson
3. Larry Fitzgerald

After that you have a bunch of guys like Mike Wallace, Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Reggie Wayne (meh) Wes Welker (meh) and Dwayne Bowe. I think I might take Bowe out of all of those guys simply because his skills and talent are better than all of them, and we have yet to see what Bowe can REALLY do with a great QB.

I think I'd put Bowe at #4 with Roddy or Mike Wallace as the 5.

To me Wes Welker isn't anywhere near this list if he doesn't have an elite QB throwing to him. Don't get me wrong, he should be on here in his situation. You look at Bowe and what QBs have been throwing to him. Switch him and Welker. People wouldn't even be talking about Welker.

All these QBS except for 2 have had solid to elite QBs throwing to them. Larry and Bowe. Calvin too up until this year.

kccrow
10-13-2011, 12:16 AM
I admit I haven't been a huge Bowe fan because of his tendancy to drop the damn ball, but he looks much better this season than last. I think he's working his way up into that upper echelon of guys so long as he stays focused. Right now, with the way he's playing, I'd say he's performing like a top 10 receiver. "Diva?" I don't really think so. When I think "diva," I think of assholes like Chad Whatsmynametoday and TO. Hell, a young Cris Carter or young Randy Moss even fit. I think Bowe has grown from his youthful mistakes of opening his mouth about the wrong things, but I still wouldn't use that against him in a case of being a "diva."

TheGuardian
10-13-2011, 07:59 AM
Bowe and Calvin came into the league at the same time.

Since then Bowe has 64 games and Johnson 65.

Stats on a per game basis -

4.6 catches per game - Bowe

4.6 catches per game - Johnson

65 yards per game - Bowe

71 yards per game - Johnson

0.5 TD per game - Bowe

0.6 TD per game - Johnson

So 6 yards per game on average over the course of 5 seasons, which is a big enough sample size, makes Johnson arguably the best WR in the league, but Bowe isn't top 5.

Makes fucking sense. :rollseyes