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Buddy Rich
10-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Davis' softer side

If Davis kept reaching out to you, you had a loyal friend for life. Countless former players and employees got financial help, medical help or sometimes just game tickets or a friendly phone call from Davis.

Davis even picked up the tab for former Chiefs linebacker Derrick Thomas' funeral in 2000, because his family couldn't afford it.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/15/SPJ11LI71J.DTL#ixzz1axqJJ4Vv

Rausch
10-16-2011, 10:52 AM
Oh, I did not need to hear this...

Count Zarth
10-16-2011, 10:52 AM
I heard he paid for Derrick Thomas' funeral too.

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-16-2011, 10:57 AM
Just how cheap are the Hunts?

Short Leash Hootie
10-16-2011, 11:00 AM
Lamar Hunt couldn't have handled that?

Baconeater
10-16-2011, 11:01 AM
Lamar Hunt couldn't have handled that?
That was my first thought as well. Kinda pathetic for a rival team owner to have to pay for your superstar player's funeral.

Joe Seahawk
10-16-2011, 11:02 AM
:popcorn:

gblowfish
10-16-2011, 11:02 AM
That was my first thought as well. Kinda pathetic for a rival team owner to have to pay for your superstar player's funeral.
Well, in the Hunt family's defense, they did offer a discount on parking for the visitation....

Shogun
10-16-2011, 11:07 AM
I didn't know this, much fucking respect for him if true.

-King-
10-16-2011, 11:11 AM
WTF? I refuse to believe Hunt would allow that to happen. If it did, then my opinion of him just went down a lot.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 11:15 AM
Not only that but he paid for HANK STRAM to have a heart specialist.

Hank Stram, the former coach of the Chiefs at a time when the Chiefs and Raiders were MORTAL enemies.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/10/08/davis-definitely-one-of-a-kind

Fritz88
10-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Not sure what's the problem or surprise in there?

These people are what make Al Davis who he is. If you didn't have rivals or enemies (in Sports, that is), you'd be a nobody.

mcaj22
10-16-2011, 11:18 AM
this actually bums me out as a Chiefs fan. Great on Al Davis and all these stories coming out that he was a decent dude behind the scenes, and you know stuff like this he could have came out and easily took credit for, but obviously didnt.

Gave zero fucks about all the negative shit he got from the every day NFL fan, and good stories like this get buried.

But at the same time, how fucking lame does this make the Chiefs and their owner look if true. Pathetic.

milkman
10-16-2011, 11:19 AM
Not only that but he paid for HANK STRAM to have a heart specialist.

Hank Stram, the former coach of the Chiefs at a time when the Chiefs and Raiders were MORTAL enemies.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/10/08/davis-definitely-one-of-a-kind

Yes, Raider Trollup, most of us already know this.

HoneyBadger
10-16-2011, 11:29 AM
I'll give him some positive rep.

crazycoffey
10-16-2011, 11:30 AM
Yes, Raider Trollup, most of us already know this.

It's just trying to get some football related posts in the lounge before it's annual islamic witch hunt/ban calling.

I noticed even its football related posts are political..... ROFL

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 11:31 AM
JFC, if this is really all true, I hate the Hunts more now than ever.... They are some cheap bassterds!!! I suppose Clark's high-priced mile-high hookers, jets, and jet fuel to Fiji have almost renedered the family broken... No surprise to know they spend so far under the cap, they're on the NFL's version of welfare...

crazycoffey
10-16-2011, 11:33 AM
WTF? I refuse to believe Hunt would allow that to happen. If it did, then my opinion of him just went down a lot.

To be fair, we have no idea of the conversations between hunt and davis during that time. Speculations don't have to be negative. Al strikes me as an old fashion integrity kind of guy. Perhaps he called Lamar and asked permission/extended an olive branch kind type of arrangement.

The Bad Guy
10-16-2011, 11:34 AM
I heard he paid for Derrick Thomas' funeral too.

I love how stories come out and you always follow up with..."oh, yeah, I heard that too"...

DaFace
10-16-2011, 11:35 AM
I love how stories come out and you always follow up with..."oh, yeah, I heard that too"...

His post was a dig at the misspelling in the title.

Baconeater
10-16-2011, 11:39 AM
It's just trying to get some football related posts in the lounge before it's annual islamic witch hunt/ban calling.

I noticed even its football related posts are political..... ROFL
There's more to the pattern, the majority of the time it posts in The Lounge, it's regarding someone's death. Kinda creepy.

SPchief
10-16-2011, 11:41 AM
There's more to the pattern, the majority of the time it posts in The Lounge, it's regarding someone's death. Kinda creepy.

Dont forget about soccer

milkman
10-16-2011, 11:41 AM
To be fair, we have no idea of the conversations between hunt and davis during that time. Speculations don't have to be negative. Al strikes me as an old fashion integrity kind of guy. Perhaps he called Lamar and asked permission/extended an olive branch kind type of arrangement.

I acn almost certainly guarantee that Davis did not extend an olive branch.

Al Davis hated Lamar Hunt more than any single person he ever came into contact with.

dirk digler
10-16-2011, 11:42 AM
I will need a couple more confirmations from another source before I believe this

3rd&48ers
10-16-2011, 11:46 AM
How sad is it when a NFL Superstar does not even have the money to pay for a 10k dollar funeral?Let's face it, if the man would have lived he would have probably been broke and in the gutter 2 years after he retired.

Gonzo
10-16-2011, 11:56 AM
How sad is it when a NFL Superstar does not even have the money to pay for a 10k dollar funeral?Let's face it, if the man would have lived he would have probably been broke and in the gutter 2 years after he retired.

Highly doubtful. I'm fairly certain that his fame in KC alone would have supplied him with several opportunities. I.e. Speaking engagements, autograph sessions, public appearances etc. He was a superstar in this town. You know, like Marcus Allen was for the Raiders before you dumb-assed owner let him go for Harvey Williams.
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memyselfI
10-16-2011, 11:57 AM
How sad is it when a NFL Superstar does not even have the money to pay for a 10k dollar funeral?Let's face it, if the man would have lived he would have probably been broke and in the gutter 2 years after he retired.

How sad is it that he left behind so many children and no money.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 11:58 AM
I acn almost certainly guarantee that Davis did not extend an olive branch.

Al Davis hated Lamar Hunt more than any single person he ever came into contact with.

All I know is the Hunt's can't compete at anything.....not even at the funeral of one of their own superstars. The whole family are evidently losers to the bitter end. One more reason to sell, almost in the world has more integrity than them IMO... Losers, just epic losers...

milkman
10-16-2011, 11:59 AM
How sad is it that he left behind so many children and no money.

Not nearly as sad as the fact that you procreated.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 11:59 AM
All I know is the Hunt's can't compete at anything.....not even at the funeral of one of their own superstars. The whole family are evidently losers to the bitter end. One more reason to sell, almost in the world has more integrity than them IMO... Losers, just epic losers...

Perhaps this is why Davis did it. To allow LH's pristine image to shine while embracing the bad guy only to know the reverse would happen after they are gone.

Dartgod
10-16-2011, 12:01 PM
Perhaps this is why Davis did it. To allow LH's pristine image to shine while embracing the bad guy only to know the reverse would happen after they are gone.
Go back to the DC forum you fucking traitor.

Guru
10-16-2011, 12:02 PM
Lamar Hunt couldn't have handled that?

Maybe it was Al insisting he pay for it rather than the Hunt's not being willing to pay for it.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 12:03 PM
Go back to the DC forum you ****ing traitor.

I haven't been in DC more than five minutes for over a year. Deal with it.

Gonzo
10-16-2011, 12:03 PM
Not nearly as sad as the fact that you procreated.

LMAO

You excel at being an ass hole. You really should be paid for it.
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Dartgod
10-16-2011, 12:03 PM
I haven't been in DC more than five minutes for over a year. Deal with it.
Well, wherever you've been, please go there now.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
Maybe it was Al insisting he pay for it rather than the Hunt's not being willing to pay for it.

Possibly but then maybe the Hunts were not pleased with Derrick Thomas' lifestyle and didn't pursue the matter whereas Davis seemed to relish helping those type of misfits.

milkman
10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
LMAO

You excel at being an ass hole. You really should be paid for it.
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It is a damn shame that I don't paid for my one strength.

Guru
10-16-2011, 12:07 PM
Possibly but then maybe the Hunts were not pleased with Derrick Thomas' lifestyle and didn't pursue the matter whereas Davis seemed to relish helping those type of misfits.

JFC

God forbid that Davis do something nice for a rival so you jump to the conclusion that the Hunts are mean spirited pricks.

dirk digler
10-16-2011, 12:07 PM
Maybe it was Al insisting he pay for it rather than the Hunt's not being willing to pay for it.

I have a hard time believing this story. I just can't believe that either Lamar or Carl, who considered DT his son, not paying for the funeral.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-16-2011, 12:07 PM
Lamar Hunt couldn't have handled that?

This might be the most embarrassed I've been to be a Chiefs fan.

Guru
10-16-2011, 12:09 PM
This might be the most embarrassed I've been to be a Chiefs fan.

why

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 12:11 PM
JFC

God forbid that Davis do something nice for a rival so you jump to the conclusion that the Hunts are mean spirited pricks.

Didn't you remark that Davis may have insisted on helping? I posed an equally plausible scenario. Both of us are speculating. But given the lack of people coming out of the woodwork speaking of the Hunt's generosity I think you have an idea who's scenario might be more likely. Witness the number of people on this thread and the original Davis has died thread lamenting the cheap Hunts.

|Zach|
10-16-2011, 12:14 PM
JFC

God forbid that Davis do something nice for a rival so you jump to the conclusion that the Hunts are mean spirited pricks.

Why did Davis have to do that?

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 12:14 PM
JFC

God forbid that Davis do something nice for a rival so you jump to the conclusion that the Hunts are mean spirited pricks.

"jump to the conclusion"??? If Al paid for it, they ARE mean spirited "cheap" pricks... We already know they suck as owners (or they'd make sure a SB winning team trotted onto the field once every 5-7 years), so they already come into it as epic failures as owners, but this is an all new low.

Clark should step down in disgrace... (Whatever it takes to rid this city of that family forever...)

Dartgod
10-16-2011, 12:15 PM
Didn't you remark that Davis may have insisted on helping? I posed an equally plausible scenario. Both of us are speculating. But given the lack of people coming out of the woodwork speaking of the Hunt's generosity I think you have an idea who's scenario might be more likely. Witness the number of people on this thread and the original Davis has died thread lamenting the cheap Hunts.

Translation: I'm choosing the option that paints the Chiefs in the worst light since I'm a Raiders fan at heart.

|Zach|
10-16-2011, 12:19 PM
This is completely embarrassing.

|Zach|
10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
That is the weird thing about this year. The up and down nature of the football team while frustrating really does not bother me all that much. However, some of the stuff this organization has done is just ridiculous cringe worthy shit.

dirk digler
10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
This might be the most embarrassed I've been to be a Chiefs fan.

If true then yeah it is real fucking embarrassing

lcarus
10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
This is completely embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed that I actually gained a morsel of respect for Al Davis.

DaFace
10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
I do want to know the backstory here. It's very odd that it took over a decade for this to become public knowledge.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
This is completely embarrassing.

This.... And I hope this remains front page news for a long LONG time. They need to make sure it's printed on the front page with every home game especially...

lcarus
10-16-2011, 12:22 PM
I do want to know the backstory here. It's very odd that it took over a decade for this to become public knowledge.

Yeah it's kind of odd isn't it.

Straight, No Chaser
10-16-2011, 12:23 PM
Davis' softer side

If Davis kept reaching out to you, you had a loyal friend for life. Countless former players and employees got financial help, medical help or sometimes just game tickets or a friendly phone call from Davis.

Davis even picked up the tab for former Chiefs linebacker Derrick Thomas' funeral in 2000, because his family couldn't afford it.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/15/SPJ11LI71J.DTL#ixzz1axqJJ4Vv

Maybe tough to believe. The anecdote appears to come from John Herrera, a 36-year employee. A bit of bad publicity for the Hunt's if you ask me.

|Zach|
10-16-2011, 12:23 PM
I do want to know the backstory here. It's very odd that it took over a decade for this to become public knowledge.

True. And maybe I or we are jumping to conclusions. Maybe that was Al's showing of condolences? It was offered and they said ok? That i a scenario that isn't as frustrating.

lcarus
10-16-2011, 12:24 PM
Well didn't DT's family get his money following his death?

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 12:27 PM
I do want to know the backstory here. It's very odd that it took over a decade for this to become public knowledge.

Well, if we're ever going to rid this city of that paracite family, it only makes sense to time it right. That being said, if it were only to be released as Al's final insult to Chief's Nation (from the grave), that's just dumb luck... Either way, let's hope the Hunt family never lives this one down.

That being said, those greedy welfare billionaire bassterds won't care, they're just greedy to the bone... All Clark cares about are the excorts in his jet....

dirk digler
10-16-2011, 12:28 PM
I have emailed a few of the local sports media people to see if they can verify this story. Let's see if they actually do some reporting

DaFace
10-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Well, if we're ever going to rid this city of that paracite family, it only makes sense to time it right. That being said, if it were only to be released as Al's final insult to Chief's Nation (from the grave), that's just dumb luck... Either way, let's hope the Hunt family never lives this one down.

That being said, those greedy welfare billionaire bassterds won't care, they're just greedy to the bone... All Clark cares about are the excorts in his jet....

I guess I just question it a little because there are so many other people who could have pitched in if necessary that didn't. I mean, the cost of a funeral is on the scale of what players are fined for a personal foul. It's not like Lamar Hunt was the only person closer to DT than Davis who could have paid for it without blinking. I mean, one could ask why Marty didn't do it. It just doesn't really make sense to me that no one was willing to help except Davis.

But who knows?

DaFace
10-16-2011, 12:29 PM
I have emailed a few of the local sports media people to see if they can verify this story. Let's see if they actually do some reporting

Cool. I'd love to hear more about it, so hopefully someone will hunt it down.

lcarus
10-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Well, if we're ever going to rid this city of that paracite family, it only makes sense to time it right. That being said, if it were only to be released as Al's final insult to Chief's Nation (from the grave), that's just dumb luck... Either way, let's hope the Hunt family never lives this one down.

That being said, those greedy welfare billionaire bassterds won't care, they're just greedy to the bone... All Clark cares about are the excorts in his jet....

I used to feel that way about Clark, but I think he wants to turn this franchise around. He can still be greedy and also want the best for the Chiefs.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 12:30 PM
I do want to know the backstory here. It's very odd that it took over a decade for this to become public knowledge.

I don't. Many times philanthropic individuals donate money with the CONDITION that the donation be kept private. They don't want the publicity or, perhaps as in Davis' case, don't want it to be viewed in any way other than humanitarian. I think many people would have assumed Davis was trying to punk the Hunts if this was public knowledge at the time. Especially given the news that he had previously paid for Hank Stram's heart specialist.

Personally, I'm sort of suspect of people who have 'look at me and what I've done' attitudes to charitable causes. See Bono and Sting. I love those who donate anonymously and want no credit for their good deeds.

milkman
10-16-2011, 12:31 PM
Let's remember that when DT died that he was still on the Chiefs active roster, and still under contract.

It's highly possible, given the innane nature of the NFL that the Hunt's paying for the funeral could have violated league rules.

kstater
10-16-2011, 12:34 PM
Only on CP can an act of goodwill from one man be construed as another man's failure.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 12:34 PM
Let's remember that when DT died that he was still on the Chiefs active roster, and still under contract.

It's highly possible, given the innane nature of the NFL that the Hunt's paying for the funeral could have violated league rules.

Since the check goes to the funeral home, that'd be one worth fighting IMO... And I think once you're dead, the contract is considered to be done.

The sad part is that you're prolly right in the new NFL...

lcarus
10-16-2011, 12:35 PM
Let's remember that when DT died that he was still on the Chiefs active roster, and still under contract.

It's highly possible, given the innane nature of the NFL that the Hunt's paying for the funeral could have violated league rules.

Good point. Either way, I'm not ready to get all pissed at the Hunts for this. We shouldn't just jump to conclusions. We should just swallow our bias for a second and give the Cryptkeeper a +1 and move on.

milkman
10-16-2011, 12:35 PM
Since the check goes to the funeral home, that'd be one worth fighting IMO... And I think once you're dead, the contract is considered to be done.

The sad part is that you're prolly right in the new NFL...

All money and bonuses paid to DT accelerated to the cap when he died.

BigChiefFan
10-16-2011, 12:40 PM
If it's true, the Hunts look like shit. How embarassing.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 12:46 PM
All money and bonuses paid to DT accelerated to the cap when he died.

Well one of the useless wives could have stroked DT's Mom a check and I'd love to have seen the NFL link it all together. C'mon, ANYTHING but Al paying the bill...

Baby Lee
10-16-2011, 12:48 PM
It is a damn shame that I don't paid for my one strength.

I rather enjoy my one strength, the second* best receiver of blowjobs on earth.







* - acknowledging the theft of Adam Carolla's bit.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 12:49 PM
Well one of the useless wives could have stroked DT's Mom a check and I'd love to have seen the NFL link it all together. C'mon, ANYTHING but Al paying the bill...

I may be mistaken but I don't think he actually married any of the seven different mothers of his children. You can't ask them for a thing. They have a mouth to feed that he didn't provide for.

Guru
10-16-2011, 12:50 PM
"jump to the conclusion"??? If Al paid for it, they ARE mean spirited "cheap" pricks... We already know they suck as owners (or they'd make sure a SB winning team trotted onto the field once every 5-7 years), so they already come into it as epic failures as owners, but this is an all new low.

Clark should step down in disgrace... (Whatever it takes to rid this city of that family forever...):spock:

Translation: I'm choosing the option that paints the Chiefs in the worst light since I'm a Raiders fan at heart.

exactly

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 12:52 PM
I may be mistaken but I don't think he actually married any of the seven different mothers of his children. You can't ask them for a thing. They have a mouth to feed that he didn't provide for.

DT's Mom and family, not his kid's Mom's.

Okie_Apparition
10-16-2011, 12:52 PM
As horrible of a GM as he was. I really have a hard time believing Carl Peterson would stand for this. Common sense left the room

angelo
10-16-2011, 12:53 PM
Al may have done it before the Hunts had an opportunity. Like picking up a check in a bar.
He could have been showing his respect for a great player. Although he could have been doing a the ultimate F.U. to the Hunts.
The Hunts may not have known. He could have done it anonymously. Al they may have known was that there was an anonymous donation for the funeral.

I know I have done this sort of thing on a much smaller scale.

Ang

Okie_Apparition
10-16-2011, 12:55 PM
Bob Gretz would be the best source

threebag02
10-16-2011, 01:23 PM
That was my first thought as well. Kinda pathetic for a rival team owner to have to pay for your superstar player's funeral.

Really??? that is something you don't want the publicity of. If you are then you are doing it for all the wrong reasons. Who knows how that shit really panned out. Way to many players involved to blame or point. Sometimes gestures or acts of this kind could compliment the act or gesture of others also.

jspchief
10-16-2011, 01:32 PM
I keep seeing the phrase "have to" as if DT's estate wasn't going to be able to afford it.

Let's not act like Cryptkeeper or Lamar were the only options. In fact, picking up the tab for the funeral seems almost odd in this case.

Mojo Jojo
10-16-2011, 01:39 PM
I keep seeing the phrase "have to" as if DT's estate wasn't going to be able to afford it.

Let's not act like Cryptkeeper or Lamar were the only options. In fact, picking up the tab for the funeral seems almost odd in this case.

DT's estate couldn't afford it. He blew almost all his money and with 6 kids and a greedy mother...what was left was already being held for lawsuits.

Marcellus
10-16-2011, 01:53 PM
DT's estate couldn't afford it. He blew almost all his money and with 6 kids and a greedy mother...what was left was already being held for lawsuits.

Pretty sure Lamar would have covered it. I think it was something Al wanted to do to show some respect for DT.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Pretty sure Lamar would have covered it. I think it was something Al wanted to do to show some respect for DT.

LOL, I think Al wanted to one-up the Hunt family... And he did... JFC....HE DID (if this is true).... GD the Hunt family...

aturnis
10-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Carl Peterson, who basically claims Derrick Thomas as his biological son couldn't pony up?

DaFace
10-16-2011, 02:01 PM
LOL, I think Al wanted to one-up the Hunt family... And he did... JFC....HE DID (if this is true).... GD the Hunt family...

You're quickly becoming a caricature.

Mr. Laz
10-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Carl Peterson, who basically claims Derrick Thomas as his biological son couldn't pony up?

If you actually believe anything Peterson says .....

Guru
10-16-2011, 02:18 PM
Pretty sure Lamar would have covered it. I think it was something Al wanted to do to show some respect for DT.

THIS is what I choose to believe.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 02:25 PM
You're quickly becoming a caricature.

Well, I hope time proves me right that they (the Hunt family) are the only constant in the many years of Chiefs not winning a SB. We all, me included, love to pick apart certain coaches, GMs and players, however, except for the current set they've all been replaced yet the team still fails to even go to the dance. I'm at a loss for why "the family" continues to get a pass from the greater KC area. So I'm going to do my part to point out the trees that make up the forrest that are right in front of us.

You play the level headed middle ground part, that's cool. I'm older than you and don't have 50 more years to wait for a Chiefs SB.

crazycoffey
10-16-2011, 02:27 PM
Not nearly as sad as the fact that you procreated.

What are the signature rules again?

Gonzo
10-16-2011, 02:59 PM
Ok gang...

Correct me if I'm wrong here but...

Derrick was in the NFL, all NFL players are in a union. Every union I've ever dealt with pays for their members funerals via their mandatory health/life insurance.
Therefore I have come to this conclusion.

DT's basic funeral was paid for by the union, perhaps Mr. Davis elected to donate money to upgrade his funeral to something a little more lavish but we can't be sure.
Btw...
Didn't the Chiefs organization pay for DT to be flown to Florida to see a spinal specialist?
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Chocolate Hog
10-16-2011, 03:01 PM
Ok gang...

Correct me if I'm wrong here but...

Derrick was in the NFL, all NFL players are in a union. Every union I've ever dealt with pays for their members funerals via their mandatory health/life insurance.
Therefore I have come to this conclusion.

DT's basic funeral was paid for by the union, perhaps Mr. Davis elected to donate money to upgrade his funeral to something a little more lavish but we can't be sure.
Btw...
Didn't the Chiefs organization pay for DT to be flown to Florida to see a spinal specialist?
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More proof the Hunts aren't cheap /Boss Chief

DaFace
10-16-2011, 03:09 PM
Well, I hope time proves me right that they (the Hunt family) are the only constant in the many years of Chiefs not winning a SB. We all, me included, love to pick apart certain coaches, GMs and players, however, except for the current set they've all been replaced yet the team still fails to even go to the dance. I'm at a loss for why "the family" continues to get a pass from the greater KC area. So I'm going to do my part to point out the trees that make up the forrest that are right in front of us.

You play the level headed middle ground part, that's cool. I'm older than you and don't have 50 more years to wait for a Chiefs SB.

I guess the issue that I have with it is that you've starting doing it to the point of not being objective and having a rational discussion. No one's going to pay any attention if every little thing that MIGHT be negative is immediately changed into "OMG LAMAR HUNT HAD SEX WITH SATAN!!"

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 03:28 PM
I guess the issue that I have with it is that you've starting doing it to the point of not being objective and having a rational discussion. No one's going to pay any attention if every little thing that MIGHT be negative is immediately changed into "OMG LAMAR HUNT HAD SEX WITH SATAN!!"

Who said Lamar? Clark...Sure... But not Lamar.... And I never said Satan either (that I recall). Perhaps I called them the devil... Obviously I don't like the Hunt family and I want to encourage them, post Lamar's early years, by any means possible to sell the team to somebody who still cares about football and winning. Maybe you're not there... Even if they move instead of sell, at this point I'd take that option as long as they leave the name and the uniforms. Obviously it can't delay our next SB victory. Yes, I'm there...

Like I said, I appreciate your propensity to neutrality and politically correct mannerisms (it's impressive), but I don't have to be there. I'm just the tax payer paying for the very venue they don't bring enough post-season play to. Perhaps you are too.

DaFace
10-16-2011, 03:30 PM
Who said Lamar? Clark...Sure... But not Lamar.... And I never said Satan either (that I recall). Perhaps I called them the devil... Obviously I don't like the Hunt family and I want to encourage them, post Lamar's early years, by any means possible to sell the team to somebody who still cares about football and winning. Maybe you're not there... Even if they move instead of sell, at this point I'd take that option as long as they leave the name and the uniforms. Obviously it can't delay our next SB victory. Yes, I'm there...

Like I said, I appreciate your propensity to neutrality and politically correct mannerisms (it's impressive), but I don't have to be there. I'm just the tax payer paying for the very venue they don't bring enough post-season play to. Perhaps you are too.

Who was the owner of the Chiefs when DT died?

(I was exaggerating intentionally on the satan stuff.)

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 03:49 PM
Who was the owner of the Chiefs when DT died?

(I was exaggerating intentionally on the satan stuff.)

Then squally that debacle is on Lamar, but not the Jet setting part. Oh, and Lamar was always here, and that I can respect. now, past being a really nice guy when you meet him, that's where reality must set in and objectivity take over. While he did some things that were good for the city (bringing the team here initially and the 1969 season), but since then, not enough. I've been around a while and I know folks like to be nice, and we all were to Lamar, but if you can't see where he made huge mistakes (for the fans) your loving on him too much. Read about the silver market deal, and perhaps you'll see a lees sweet side of Lamar that results in him thinking a CP was the right choice for having God-like rule over his team. Like I said, he was a nice man at face value, but he was all about the money in the end.

I had High hopes that Clark was going to come in and run the show like Robert Kraft. And past hiring a player, evidently not a key player, that's just not happened. What he's done is more of the same, hired a GM who can't as much get a handshake from other GMs, allowed the hiring of a head coach who isn't getting it done (pointing to his own lack of football savvy), and approved the fielding of players who can't get it done in the end. Yes, they went to the playoffs. You and I were at the tailgate of that game, but they lost there too.

And now it's hard to even spot Clark at the games. When your problems are as deep as ours appear, his lack of presence speaks volumes as to how much he cares. At least it does to me. So the city is out $250M, and Clark is well on his way to making up his half of the $250M via being under the cap.

So we can argue stats and emotions all day and year, but our record and our lack of a SB (or even going to a SB) is about the only macro stat that matters.

Ask yourself this... How do the Patriots do it year in and year out? Credit Belichick for a lot of it, but don't think that Kraft hasn't set that expectation to him and the entire team (whomever they are this year). They do it with other team's rejects and expectations of perfection. Is it really all that difficult a formula to repeat?

Demonpenz
10-16-2011, 03:59 PM
Al calls Lamar in heaven and just says "I won"

Phobia
10-16-2011, 05:21 PM
I have emailed a few of the local sports media people to see if they can verify this story. Let's see if they actually do some reporting

Heh. They'll ask the Chiefs PR guy who will say it's an urban legend and then they'll drop it.

Phobia
10-16-2011, 05:24 PM
Ok gang...

Correct me if I'm wrong here but...

Derrick was in the NFL, all NFL players are in a union. Every union I've ever dealt with pays for their members funerals via their mandatory health/life insurance.
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Wrong. DT was not under contract with any NFL team at the time of his death. He had voided his contract and was looking for another signing bonus that year. The NFL didn't recognize him as anything other than a UFA when the accident happened.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 05:28 PM
Heh. They'll ask the Chiefs PR guy who will say it's an urban legend and then they'll drop it.

Yup.....

milkman
10-16-2011, 05:29 PM
Wrong. DT was not under contract with any NFL team at the time of his death. He had voided his contract and was looking for another signing bonus that year. The NFL didn't recognize him as anything other than a UFA when the accident happened.

I believe that was intended for me, and I didn't remember that.

I don't think he loses his status as a union member as an UFA.

Gonzo
10-16-2011, 05:33 PM
I believe that was intended for me, and I didn't remember that.

I don't think he loses his status as a union member as an UFA.
It was meant for me, I'm sure. However, you raise a point. As long as his dues were current, he was covered under a union contract. (That's how most unions work, anyway)
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Phobia
10-16-2011, 05:49 PM
I don't know how the NFLPA works but he had voided his contract days before the accident. Technically he wasn't even a Chief.

Marcellus
10-16-2011, 05:51 PM
No matter how you slice it, Al didn't step in because without him paying DT would have had a John Doe cremation.

DT's funeral was going to be paid for. Al felt like paying for it as a gesture.

End of story.

I imagine it was part respect and part irony that he loved. A Raider paying for a Chief's funeral.

In the end Al was always a players type owner except for Marcus Allen.

He overpaid his guys and sided with them over his coaching staff time and time again.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 05:51 PM
I don't know how the NFLPA works but he had voided his contract days before the accident. Technically he wasn't even a Chief.

Well, obviously Lamar thought he had become one of Al's boys by then... Maybe you're right...

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 05:52 PM
http://www.33ff.com/flags/XL_flags/Switzerland_flag.gif

Chiefnj2
10-16-2011, 06:00 PM
Al was a good guy to players. Always was. There were articles written years ago about Al visiting Derrick in the hospital and visiting with his mom at the time of the accident.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 06:03 PM
Al was a good guy to players. Always was. There were articles written years ago about Al visiting Derrick in the hospital and visiting with his mom at the time of the accident.

Wow...

Chiefnj2
10-16-2011, 06:07 PM
"And Raiders Don't Die"

Those are the words the great Al Davis said to his friend and Oakland Raiders Band leader Del Courtney, in 1971, as Del was struggling with Guillain-Barre syndrome, which induces paralysis. Al sat with his friend in the hospital as many expected the band leader to die. "Godfather" Al did the one thing the one in the books and movies could not do, he staved off death. Del Courtney passed in February 2006, at the age of 95.

No one with that kind of juice was by Mr. Davis' side when he passed in the morning hours of October 8th.

The news leaked out. First just with a picture and vague rumblings of an announcement later. Then the articles all over the internet.

Al Davis was as the Oakland Raiders were, loved or hated, respected or reviled, admired or wished dead. There seldom was any middle ground with him.

Hidden underneath the toughness, was a heart his family and his players knew.

When Tim Brown's wife was having twins, Tim got around with help from Al Davis. When Willie Thomas had a death in his family, but wanted to make the game, he made the service and the game in the same week end, with the help of Al Davis. When Al's wife was in the hospital after a heart attack and in a coma, he didn't leave her side. He was there day after day, willing her to come back to him. And she did. When Dan Turk was stricken with cancer, and the people from the Redskins had little to no contact with him, it was Mr. Davis calling his wife asking what she needed. At Dan Turk's service, there was a picture of Dan - in his Raiders uniform.

But one didn't have to be a Raider to see Al's good side. When Terry Bradshaw retired from the game, Al Davis called him and said if he ever needed anything to just pick up the phone. When Derrick Thomas was in the hospital, the only team owner to visit him was Al Davis. And there are so many more things that people just do NOT know.

Carl Weathers credited Al Davis with changing his life forever back in 1970, when Carl was a rookie linebacker with the Raiders.

Bill 'The Big Tuna' Parcells said that Al Davis was the smartest man he ever met.

Bill Walsh said "He was one of the great coaches I have ever observed ... a truly great coach" , and "Had he chosen to remain in coaching, he would be considered one of the great coaches of all time."

I think that can be said of Al Davis regardless. Just because he was not employed at that title did not mean he wasn't still coaching. It was just a couple of weeks ago that Hue Jackson referred to him as Coach Davis.

I would consider him more than a just a footabll coach.

In the 60s, Al Davis did not permit his Raiders team to participate in an exhibition game in the south. Why? his players would be segregated. They would be staying in different hotels. I remember hearing that the water fountains at the stadium were for whites only. He could not participate in something like that, nor would he be around for people being treated like that. So the Raiders did not play. I know it had to mean a loss of money, but that was not what mattered to him.

He meant what he said, and said what he meant. Loyalty was law to Al Davis.

From his days at Syracuse to the day he died, Al would not give a damn about race, gender or age. I can quote the many people that have said things about him on this topic, but I think most Raiders fans have those. But from Bernie Custis to Amy Trask, Lance Alworth to Willie Brown, they all know that his personal code of honor was just that.

Players that experienced careers after their playing days with the Raiders include Fred Biletnikoff, Willie Brown, Steve Wisniewski, Rod Woodson, Terry Robiskie, Calvin Branch, Zack Crockett and Greg Biekert. It is rumored that Mr. Davis may have had a hand in Jack Tatum getting his job with the NFL. Players that received chances because of their association to the team include Todd Marinovich and Bruce Davis II. While being a starter, and considered a good draft pick, Stefen Wisniewiski is the nephew of a long time Raider great, Steve Wisniewski.

Look at his organization. The job of equipment manager went from father to son in the Romanski family.

As far as I know, he is the only individual that introduced 9 people as they were inducted into Canton. This includes long time Charger Lance Alworth. Al was his position coach his rookie year. Lance was in the league from 1962 to 1972, and a man that his coach for his first season was the one that stood up for him as he wore that yellow gold coat.

Dartgod
10-16-2011, 06:19 PM
ROFL at the lengths some Chiefs fans go to to hate the Chiefs.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 06:21 PM
ROFL at the lengths some Chiefs fans go to to hate the Chiefs.

Wow...

Dartgod
10-16-2011, 06:23 PM
Wow...
Pretty much my thought.

Guru
10-16-2011, 06:25 PM
ROFL at the lengths some Chiefs fans go to to hate the Chiefs.

no shit

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 06:27 PM
I guess I'm stunned to find out how much Al cared about our players so much... Still hate him though...

notorious
10-16-2011, 06:29 PM
Respect.

Hog Farmer
10-16-2011, 06:35 PM
His post was a dig at the misspelling in the title.

Well, the fact is Derreck Thomas was the little black boy that was banging Als mistress. This whole story is misleading.

crazycoffey
10-16-2011, 06:39 PM
I guess I'm stunned to find out how much Al cared about our players so much... Still hate him though...


As Phobia stated, DT wasn't our player anymore at the time of the accident. In fact I hear Al was trying to sign DT to the Raiders at that time and the Hunts are so ruthless that they hired the hit to take DT out before he could ever wear black and silver. /shitland trolls like dumbese.

dirk digler
10-16-2011, 06:40 PM
I don't know how the NFLPA works but he had voided his contract days before the accident. Technically he wasn't even a Chief.

I don't think that is correct. Players can't void anything until the end of the league season which wouldn't have been until late Feb.

memyselfI
10-16-2011, 06:43 PM
When Derrick Thomas was in the hospital, the only team owner to visit him was Al Dav_is

Is this true? Outrageous if so. That does make some sense regarding how he would know the family had no money to pay for a funeral. Or why he'd feel compelled to help.

ChiefsCountry
10-16-2011, 06:48 PM
Ask yourself this... How do the Patriots do it year in and year out? Credit Belichick for a lot of it, but don't think that Kraft hasn't set that expectation to him and the entire team (whomever they are this year). They do it with other team's rejects and expectations of perfection. Is it really all that difficult a formula to repeat?

Wow you are a complete fucking retard.

crazycoffey
10-16-2011, 06:48 PM
He meant what he said, and said what he meant. Loyalty was law to Al Davis.



Marcus Allen disagrees with your post....

crispystl420
10-16-2011, 06:49 PM
It is a damn shame that I don't paid for my one strength.

Your football analysis is superb as well.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 06:55 PM
Wow you are a complete ****ing retard.

LOL, that's all you got? You moron! Keep trying young man..

Phobia
10-16-2011, 06:59 PM
I don't think that is correct. Players can't void anything until the end of the league season which wouldn't have been until late Feb.

I remember vividly that DT had voided his contract after he reached some incentive which allowed him to do so.

Hog Farmer
10-16-2011, 07:02 PM
Bunch of fucking morons. DT was a millionare, he could pay for his own funeral.

ChiefsCountry
10-16-2011, 07:05 PM
LOL, that's all you got? You moron! Keep trying young man..

New England's success is not Bob Kraft or Bill Bellichick, its Tom Brady. Hunt can spend all the fucking salary cap he wants or not, but as long as we don't have a franchise QB it don't mean shit. So you're bitching and sucking the Kraft's dick doesn't mean shit. So just shut the fuck up.

GloryDayz
10-16-2011, 07:10 PM
New England's success is not Bob Kraft or Bill Bellichick, its Tom Brady. Hunt can spend all the ****ing salary cap he wants or not, but as long as we don't have a franchise QB it don't mean shit. So you're bitching and sucking the Kraft's dick doesn't mean shit. So just shut the **** up.

Yeah, and look who had Tom... Kraft and Belichick (with one "L" dumbass!!!)... Now eat *** SpED!!! I hate them as mush as anybody, but it's hard to argue their success unless you're as dumb as you are....

Now get Clark's dick out our your mouth and come up for some air...

milkman
10-16-2011, 07:10 PM
New England's success is not Bob Kraft or Bill Bellichick, its Tom Brady. Hunt can spend all the ****ing salary cap he wants or not, but as long as we don't have a franchise QB it don't mean shit. So you're bitching and sucking the Kraft's dick doesn't mean shit. So just shut the **** up.

The fact is, great coaches are made by great QBs, and vice versa.

Brady would not be as great without Belichick, but Belichick would be just another good coach, at best without Brady.

This is why I also believe that Manning would have been a more succesful QB in the playoffs with a stronger coach.

I even believe that Manning with Marty might have ben a pairing that could be equal to Belichick-Brady.

And it's pretty well documented how I feel about them individually.

crazycoffey
10-16-2011, 07:12 PM
The fact is, great coaches are made by great QBs, and vice versa.

Brady would not be as great without Belichick, but Belichick would be just another good coach, at best without Brady.

This is why I also believe that Manning would have been a more succesful QB in the playoffs with a stronger coach.

I even believe that Manning with Marty might have ben a pairing that could be equal to Belichick-Brady.

And it's pretty well documented how I feel about them individually.

just about to say it,
well not about manning and marty, but about manning and brady both being franchise QBs but they have vastly different stories within their respected franchises.

dirk digler
10-16-2011, 07:29 PM
I remember vividly that DT had voided his contract after he reached some incentive which allowed him to do so.

You may be right. Here is a story about it but I would contend that his contract did not officially expire until Feb 11 and he died 3 days before then.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/01/27/thomas_chiefs_ap/

tredadda
10-16-2011, 08:24 PM
If that is true then I have the utmost respect for Al Davis for doing that.

DTLB58
10-16-2011, 08:41 PM
I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way.

I wish I could get my worst enemy to let's say pay off my mortgage, auto loans or kids college. I think DT's estate planner was a fricking genius. :thumb:

listopencil
10-16-2011, 11:12 PM
I have heard a lot of great stories about Al Davis now that he has passed away. From all I can gather, he was a good man who loved to play the bad guy. Just part of the "Raider Mystique".

mcaj22
10-16-2011, 11:22 PM
lol a seven year contract for DT was 26 million in 97

a five? six? year contract for Tamba Hali is 70 million

my my have the times changed

Tuckdaddy
10-17-2011, 12:14 AM
Fugging Bullshit. No way in hell Al paid for DT's funeral.

Phobia
10-17-2011, 12:43 AM
From what I understand, Dave Lane paid for his funeral in exchange for some jewelry and a couple Rolexes.

bevischief
10-17-2011, 06:23 AM
Bob Gretz would be the best source

He is dead too.

InChiefsHell
10-17-2011, 06:34 AM
man...is there any other confirmation of this? I have a buddy who is a Raiders fan...if he hears this he'll never let me live it down...

GloryDayz
10-17-2011, 06:07 PM
I have a buddy who is a Raiders fan.....


Sorry...

HemiEd
10-17-2011, 06:44 PM
Let's remember that when DT died that he was still on the Chiefs active roster, and still under contract.

It's highly possible, given the innane nature of the NFL that the Hunt's paying for the funeral could have violated league rules.

that makes a lot of sense.

crazycoffey
10-18-2011, 12:16 AM
What are the signature rules again?

oh I found it.
red card going out on IT'S first post in this thread. check for yourselves and add on if you want. this is why we have the card system.....

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=137590&highlight=signature+rules

wazu
10-18-2011, 12:43 AM
Let's remember that when DT died that he was still on the Chiefs active roster, and still under contract.

It's highly possible, given the innane nature of the NFL that the Hunt's paying for the funeral could have violated league rules.

So what?! Let the NFL fine you to oblivion for paying for your own player's fucking funeral. Let that be the headline of the day! JFC, I really hope this bullshit isn't true.

BigRock
10-18-2011, 12:56 AM
Did Al Davis Pay For DT’s Funeral?
October 17, 2011 - Bob Gretz

The answer is no.

In the days after the passing of Raiders leader Al Davis there were many stories written in the Bay Area about Davis, his impact, history and life.

On Sunday in the San Francisco Chronicle a story was done with John Herrera, who was one of Davis’ right-hand men over the last few decades. Herrera actually joined the Raiders when he was a teenager and worked his way up to being a confidante of the Raiders managing general partner.

Here’s the important passage from the story:

“If Davis kept reaching out to you, you had a loyal friend for life. Countless former players and employees got financial help, medical help or sometimes just game tickets or a friendly phone call from Davis.


“Davis even picked up the tab for former Chiefs linebacker Derrick Thomas’ funeral in 2000, because his family couldn’t afford it.


“You could write volumes on Al Davis because there’s so many different people that he helped,” Herrera said. “Without anyone else knowing about it. He had a heart as big as anyone I’ve ever known, and the perception of him was not that way. The perception of him was of this tough guy who always had to have it his way.”


As frequently happens in death, the late person’s deeds are puffed up even more by those left behind. Davis helped many of his former players over the years. That’s fact.

But Davis did not pay for the funeral of Derrick Thomas.

There's more if you want to pay him 30 some dollars.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 12:57 AM
For Gods sake who cares, if he paid for the mans funeral , it's a sad day when a man pays for another mans funeral without wanting credit for doing so and have people do their best to pick apart the story so their hate can live.

crazycoffey
10-18-2011, 01:08 AM
There's more if you want to pay him 30 some dollars.

link or red card, which would you like?

InChiefsHell
10-18-2011, 05:24 AM
For Gods sake who cares, if he paid for the mans funeral , it's a sad day when a man pays for another mans funeral without wanting credit for doing so and have people do their best to pick apart the story so their hate can live.

Dude, in this case it's not about Al Davis, it's about the idea that our organization didn't take care of one of their own beloved sons at the most heartbreaking moment in the life of his family, and that a person from another organization whom most of us did not have much good feelings for came through. As it turns out now, it looks like Gretz is saying it did NOT happen. That rings truer to us, because it seems hard to believe that 10+ years later we find this out.

Think it through, it's not a Hate Al Davis thing, rather its a WTF is up with the Hunt's thing. But it turns out not to be true anyway. So all is right with the world.

crazycoffey
10-18-2011, 06:27 AM
But it turns out not to be true anyway. So all is right with the world.


Al Davis is still laughing at us from Hell.....

Inspector
10-18-2011, 06:41 AM
Yeah? Well, Derrick Thomas's family paid for Al's funeral.

Chiefnj2
10-18-2011, 06:57 AM
As it turns out now, it looks like Gretz is saying it did NOT happen. That rings truer to us, because it seems hard to believe that 10+ years later we find this out.

.

Would Gretz admit something negative about the Peterson regime??

dirk digler
10-18-2011, 07:08 AM
There's more if you want to pay him 30 some dollars.

Gretz is one of the people that I emailed and he replied yesterday that he would check into it. I am glad that he did but as Phil said there is no way the Chiefs or Carl Peterson will admit that Davis did pay for it.

InChiefsHell
10-18-2011, 07:51 AM
Gretz is one of the people that I emailed and he replied yesterday that he would check into it. I am glad that he did but as Phil said there is no way the Chiefs or Carl Peterson will admit that Davis did pay for it.

Agreed, but that also may be because he didn't. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Nzoner
10-18-2011, 08:09 AM
I was sitting in the stands at the HOF Ceremony when Lenny pushed Stram out in his wheelchair and everyone stood and applauded except for Al Davis.He didn't even clap while remaining seated.Part of the Raider "bad guy mystique" or no,fock him,nothing I hear about him will change my opinion on him.

mikey23545
10-18-2011, 12:40 PM
I was sitting in the stands at the HOF Ceremony when Lenny pushed Stram out in his wheelchair and everyone stood and applauded except for Al Davis.He didn't even clap while remaining seated.Part of the Raider "bad guy mystique" or no,fock him,nothing I hear about him will change my opinion on him.

Could be if he had stood up or applauded pieces of his cancerous old ass would have fallen off.

Leprosy is a harsh mistress.

Valiant
10-18-2011, 02:57 PM
If someone cares enough. Just go to where the funeral was at and see if they still have records.

Backwards Masking
10-18-2011, 04:34 PM
Yeah? Well, Derrick Thomas's family paid for Al's funeral.

I doubt that, considering they lost the lawsuit blaming the carmaker for Derrick not wearing his seatbelt and driving 90 miles an hour during an ice storm.

Never mind how many kids (we'll never know for sure the exact #) need the millions Derrick used to buy his friends houses and won't ever get it.

kysirsoze
10-18-2011, 05:58 PM
WTH are people upset about this? The Hunt family pays for his treatment and Davis, who apparently had a lot of respect/fondness for DT makes a great gesture and pays for his funeral. Why does it have to be some kind of competition to be gracious? Between all of his extremely rich friends, his funeral was getting paid for. I don't know why some people on here need to villainize the Hunts with so little information. Just appreciate the kindness Davis showed and move the fuck on.

RedNeckRaider
10-18-2011, 06:59 PM
I was sitting in the stands at the HOF Ceremony when Lenny pushed Stram out in his wheelchair and everyone stood and applauded except for Al Davis.He didn't even clap while remaining seated.Part of the Raider "bad guy mystique" or no,fock him,nothing I hear about him will change my opinion on him.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/10/08/davis-definitely-one-of-a-kind

"When Stram had a heart attack, Davis paid for the best heart specialist to treat him."

Wyndex
10-18-2011, 07:37 PM
.......why would DT's family not be able to afford it themselves?

KCUnited
10-18-2011, 08:44 PM
If DT would've been a QB or had a faster 40 time we could've got the funeral paid and a 1st rounder.

Backwards Masking
10-18-2011, 09:57 PM
.......why would DT's family not be able to afford it themselves?

because all of Derrick's 7 Paternity Tested Finest are still under the age of 18?

mikey23545
10-18-2011, 10:22 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/10/08/davis-definitely-one-of-a-kind

"When Stram had a heart attack, Davis paid for the best heart specialist to treat him."

So is this any more true than the "Al paid for DT's funeral" bullshit?

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 11:26 PM
WTH are people upset about this? The Hunt family pays for his treatment and Davis, who apparently had a lot of respect/fondness for DT makes a great gesture and pays for his funeral. Why does it have to be some kind of competition to be gracious? Between all of his extremely rich friends, his funeral was getting paid for. I don't know why some people on here need to villainize the Hunts with so little information. Just appreciate the kindness Davis showed and move the fuck on.

Amen

HTC-Inspire-4G

Rausch
10-18-2011, 11:53 PM
So is this any more true than the "Al paid for DT's funeral" bullshit?

It's a good thing we have a rich uncle like Al Davis to bail out the struggling Hunts...

Wyndex
10-19-2011, 06:05 PM
because all of Derrick's 7 Paternity Tested Finest are still under the age of 18?

Jesus fuck lol

RedNeckRaider
10-20-2011, 05:45 AM
So is this any more true than the "Al paid for DT's funeral" bullshit?

I really have no idea. He was very generous to those he cared about and could be ruthless to those he did not. Loyalty was one rule that could not be broken and if he perceived someone did not show it they were the enemy in his eyes. He accomplished as much as anyone ever has in the NFL. He purposely kept his good deeds unpublished to protect his bad guy image I guess.
He was the only owner that was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he never played nice with the rich pricks. He did more for minorities and women than anyone else in the league hands down. He was a major figure in the sport we watch and is part myth and part legend. I only met the man once and he was friendly and courteous to me. He avoided the press and did not mingle with fans often. Jim Otto helped me meet him and it is cool to have a picture of myself standing by a legend of the game~