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SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:05 AM
I don't expect you guys to like the deal, I expect you guys to ridicule every move the Raiders make. Just sit back and watch, have your little suck 4 luck arguments and keep losing... The Raiders have a weapon to hit those young receivers now.

The Raiders got a lot of credit for getting Aaron Curry. Heck, it was a good move. I was impressed. I was dissapointed the Chiefs didn't make THAT move.

This isn't a good move. You can try to spin it. Palmer hasn't been good for a long time. He has battled injuries and he just retired rather than play football.

He has been sitting on the couch for 10 months. He hasn't been in meetings anywhere, and certainly not in the Raiders meetings.

The Raiders still have issues in the secondary. The Raiders are still a few players away from really contending for a Super Bowl.

If the Raiders win a single playoff game, they have given up two first round picks to do so.

Yeah, keep telling yourself how smart the Raiders are.

thurman merman
10-18-2011, 11:06 AM
what's going to suck is when Palmer throws for 275 and 2TDs against the Chiefs this weekend.

Career Day defense has been paged.

275 yards and 2 TDs is a career day?

Count Zarth
10-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Other than left tackle Jared Veldheer, the ENTIRE Raiders' offensive line has a negative pass blocking grade this year.

Dayze
10-18-2011, 11:09 AM
275 yards and 2 TDs is a career day?

under the circumstances, yes IMO. if he does that after being out of football for nearly a year and with only 3-4 days prep time with the offense...

if the Chiefs give up those kind of numbers to a guy like that under these conditions, Romeo and our defense should be shot with an AIDS tipped bullet.

my point was if there's a way for the Chiefs D to scrwe it up, they will. they always do.

thurman merman
10-18-2011, 11:11 AM
under the circumstances, yes IMO. if he does that after being out of football for nearly a year and with only 3-4 days prep time with the offense...


Do you know the definition of career?

tk13
10-18-2011, 11:11 AM
You think tebow and cassell are better than palmer? :LOL:

I actually don't think either is more "talented" than Palmer, but to say he's "better" is highly questionable. You can reign it in with Tebow or Cassel, play smart football and win games. Palmer was out there playing with two all world WRs last year and had a worse year than Cassel. He was not good... way too sloppy. The Raiders aren't exactly the franchise known for helping guys find their discipline. And that doesn't even include the fact they mortgaged the farm for him.
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Brock
10-18-2011, 11:11 AM
Updating a previous report, the Oakland Raiders will give up another first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft to the Cincinnati Bengals if they win a playoff games this season as compensation for QB Carson Palmer. If the Raiders don't win a playoff game, the Bengals will receive a second-round pick in 2013. Palmer was willing to restructure his contract, which would pay him $6.9 million for the balance of the year.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=747858-raiders-more-on-carson-palmer-trade#ixzz1b9bIxVsM

A first and a second. ROFL

Count Zarth
10-18-2011, 11:12 AM
The bad news is if that we play that weak soft zone bullshit...that's exactly the kind of D Palmer tears up.

We need to blitz early and often.

Chiefnj2
10-18-2011, 11:13 AM
I'm undecided if I want Oakland to win a wildcard game.

Dayze
10-18-2011, 11:14 AM
Do you know the definition of career?

yeah. i'm using the term Career day with a broad stroke. My point is, the Chiefs D will probably allow a guy who's been out of football for nearly a year and no time to prepare to come in and make it seem as though Palmer's been there the entire time etc.

so, maybe not "Career Day" defense, but rather 'Are You ****ing Kidding Me"? defense.

Okie_Apparition
10-18-2011, 11:16 AM
I would think Romeo knows Palmer very well

Extra Point
10-18-2011, 11:16 AM
The bad news is if that we play that weak soft zone bullshit...that's exactly the kind of D Palmer tears up.

Not if we tear him up, first.

We need to blitz early and often.

Blitzing early and often is right.

tooge
10-18-2011, 11:17 AM
Smart move by both Bengals and Raiders. I dont think Palmer is a "world beater" but hes decent, better than anything else they have, and can keep the team humming. Sucks for us...

I'll have an ounce of whatever it is you smoked prior to thinking this

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-18-2011, 11:19 AM
I'll have an ounce of whatever it is you smoked prior to thinking this

I bet he was cheesing.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 11:19 AM
LMAO

DBOSHO
10-18-2011, 11:20 AM
The raiders gave a first and a second for a quitter.

Spin it.

Fish
10-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Updating a previous report, the Oakland Raiders will give up another first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft to the Cincinnati Bengals if they win a playoff games this season as compensation for QB Carson Palmer. If the Raiders don't win a playoff game, the Bengals will receive a second-round pick in 2013. Palmer was willing to restructure his contract, which would pay him $6.9 million for the balance of the year.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=747858-raiders-more-on-carson-palmer-trade#ixzz1b9bIxVsM

LMAO.... so at worst, they're giving a 2012 1st rounder, and a 2013 2nd rounder?

Holy fuck Raiders are dumb...

FringeNC
10-18-2011, 11:22 AM
The thing about Palmer -- his physical skills seemed to have deteriorated more at age 31 than Brett Favre's have at age 40-whatever.

tk13
10-18-2011, 11:23 AM
Either way, a move like this is not made to beat the 2-3 Chiefs. The only acceptable ending to a trade like this is knocking out teams like Baltimore and NE to get to the Super Bowl. Granted the AFC looks flawed this year... but yeah, good luck.
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BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 11:23 AM
I wouldn’t give more than a 3rd round pick.

Holy crap. Even from his grave Al is making stupid decisions.

Dartgod
10-18-2011, 11:25 AM
Well if they are obtainable then that means he will be a helluva qb for the Raiders and add the missing link they need to make them a serious contender...

Oakland has like 13 former first rounders on this team, they have enough of them.

The Raiders don't want to win next year, they want to win NOW!
KnowR8ersMo

ROFL

NJChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:25 AM
Raiders have 7.5 million + I guaranteed 1st rounder and a conditional ... If Palmer comes in here and lights it up then who cares about the picks. Raiders have 13 former first round picks on this team, they will be fine. The only way the Raiders lose in this deal is if Palmer just flat out sucks. Hell it would have cost 5 million to pay Orton for the rest of the year.....

p.s. you guys have 60+ million invested in that pocket sloth of a qb you have.

Oh for sure we know what its like to make a mistake on a QB. If anything it kind of makes us experts.

My question is this, do you really expect Carson to get back to the QB he was 6 years ago? He has been a mess the past 4 years and it wasn't all on CIN so don't play that card.

I am confused as to why having 13 former 1st round picks means anything. If they don't play like 1st rounders, how does that make up for trading 1, possibly but highly unlikely 2, first round picks? How many of those 13 play like first rounders? If even 6 of them don't then why do they some how make this trade good?

Look, if you end up rocking this year or for a couple years with Carson then so be it I guess. I would use the ends to justify the means myself. Personally, from the Carson I have watched the past 4 years, I don't think he is worth 2 3's, let alone a 1 and a 2. I guess I also don't think you guys have a finished roster and kinda need a few draft picks the next 2 years but I am sure Raider fans think this is the final piece. So be it.

Raiders fans will love this now and IMO hate it later. Time will tell.

Just because we made a huge mistake at QB doesn't mean we can't see another mistake. A guy that marrys a bitch for a wife can still tell when another guy is about to marry a bitch.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:25 AM
Raiders have 7.5 million + I guaranteed 1st rounder and a conditional ... If Palmer comes in here and lights it up then who cares about the picks. Raiders have 13 former first round picks on this team, they will be fine. The only way the Raiders lose in this deal is if Palmer just flat out sucks. Hell it would have cost 5 million to pay Orton for the rest of the year.....

p.s. you guys have 60+ million invested in that pocket sloth of a qb you have.

You have a first and a second, at a minimum. When you say, 'conditional'... it makes it sound like it could be a fifth. Nope.... a first AND a second....minimum.

Also, you have 7.5 million the rest of THIS year for Palmer. He has three more years on his deal after this year. And, don't you think he will be willing to hold out for a new deal after the season?

Oh, and, I care more about picks than the money. And, if Palmer plays out his remaining contract with the Raiders, he will make close to 60 million.

And, that is, of course, if they don't renegotiate the deal. (And, he won't be taking a pay cut).

Thanks for the chuckles.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 11:26 AM
Is he starting this week end? I don't see how he could possibly be ready. He hasn't played a game in nearly 10 months.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:27 AM
7.5 million dollars and two potential first round picks that could cost you 100 million on top of that if the Raiders finish close to the top in standings, those picks are not like a pick that would be coming from the Chiefs or Donkeys

Who is being cheap now?

Also, two first round picks won't be 100 million dollars with the new rookie cap.

Leave it to the Raiders to trade two picks for an aging qb at the very time that picks are worth more than they have been in 20 years.

Great, great move.

doomy3
10-18-2011, 11:28 AM
What happens if Palmer gets hurt early on (highly possible), and then they make a run with a street free agent or trade their 2014 and 2015 first rounders for someone like Matt Moore or someone equally as bad, and then they win a playoff game? Is it a 2013 first rounder then?

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 11:28 AM
Well if they are obtainable then that means he will be a helluva qb for the Raiders

Yes if he plays in 6 games and takes more than 100 snaps that means it is GUARANTEED he will be a helluva QB.

LOL

Logic fail.

The Bad Guy
10-18-2011, 11:30 AM
How cute, R8ers pretending like he understands football.

Mike in SW-MO
10-18-2011, 11:31 AM
The only way this works out for the Raiders is if Palmer is good long enough to pass it off the Pejorative, who also has to pan out.

Mike in SW-MO
10-18-2011, 11:32 AM
Pass it off to Pryor. I hate auto correct.

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 11:33 AM
Who does R8ers want to draft in April 2012?????

Thats my burning question

Frazod
10-18-2011, 11:36 AM
Who the hell is Palmer's agent - Obi Wan Kenobi? Potentially two firsts for Carson fucking Palmer - has to be the Old Jedi Mind Trick.

DAVIS'S SECRETARY: Carson Palmer is here, says you hired him yesterday.
DAVIS: Carson who?

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm undecided if I want Oakland to win a wildcard game.

Tempting.

I mean, if they are going to be 8-8 or better....then yeah, win a playoff game.

But, can you imagine the screaming if they tank the rest of the season and go 6-10 and get a top 10 pick?

They will have zero of their own picks in the draft and have to justify all the moves they made.

It would be funny to watch.

I will be rooting for them to lose at this point.... but if they look like they could make the playoffs in five weeks, then I will be pulling for them to win.

I would hate to see them go 8-8 and not make the playoffs. Then, they have middle of the road picks AND they don't have to give up a first in 2013.

Nah... I want to see them fail. 6-10 this year, and then 2-14 the following year would be fun.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:37 AM
Who does R8ers want to draft in April 2012?????

Thats my burning question

Hopefully, no one.

4th and Long
10-18-2011, 11:45 AM
Who the hell is Palmer's agent - Obi Wan Kenobi? Potentially two firsts for Carson ****ing Palmer - has to be the Old Jedi Mind Trick.

DAVIS'S SECRETARY: Carson Palmer is here, says you hired him yesterday.
DAVIS: Carson who?

:LOL:

Carson 100 INTS Palmer. BRILLIANT!

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 11:46 AM
This is stupid beyond comprehension.

The only way Palmer is worth a 1st rd pick is if he leads the Raiders to a SB win while he's there.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2011, 11:47 AM
Raiders keep improving, Cheaps keep sucking ... I love it...

ROFL

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:47 AM
:LOL:

Carson 100 INTS Palmer. BRILLIANT!

That's cause he throws such a catchable ball/knowr8rmo.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 11:47 AM
Mike Brown is looking like a fucking genious.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 11:48 AM
Mike Brown is looking like a ****ing genious.

I will give credit where it is due.... the Raiders did the impossible.

Marcellus
10-18-2011, 11:50 AM
Cassel is laughing his ass off right now. 2 1st round picks, ha ha ha.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2011, 11:51 AM
This is stupid beyond comprehension.

The only way Palmer is worth a 1st rd pick is if he leads the Raiders to a SB win while he's there.

Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.

Frosty
10-18-2011, 11:52 AM
Is he starting this week end? I don't see how he could possibly be ready. He hasn't played a game in nearly 10 months.

I predict that he will end up with a torn Achilles within a couple of games.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2011, 11:52 AM
Raiders keep improving, Cheaps keep sucking ... I love it...

Is this guy serious?

Dave Lane
10-18-2011, 11:53 AM
I'm undecided if I want Oakland to win a wildcard game.

It's a quandary but I'm going yes. No first round pick till 2014, thats pretty sweet.

But only one.

Frosty
10-18-2011, 11:54 AM
Is this guy serious?

No kidding. Because trading high picks for washed up QB's has worked so well for the Chiefs so far...

Johnny Vegas
10-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Madden 12 wouldn't even allow me to do the same trade.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2011, 11:57 AM
Raiders actually have a pretty good shot at winning the division.

FringeNC
10-18-2011, 11:58 AM
Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.

Trent Green put up 4 straight years with a 90+ rating. Think Palmer will do that?

DeezNutz
10-18-2011, 11:59 AM
Unbelievably stupid. Why can't we trade with the Raiders more often?

FringeNC
10-18-2011, 12:00 PM
Raiders probably could have had McNabb for nothing. Vikings announced his benching today.

4th and Long
10-18-2011, 12:10 PM
I saw r8ers say Carson Palmer was going to light us up. The last time Plamer lit something up was when he plugged in his Christmas tree.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 12:11 PM
Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.

Not much difference? How about an additional 2nd or possibly a 1st. Big difference.

Okie_Apparition
10-18-2011, 12:11 PM
THe Chiefs got Green & a 5th round pick. I think the 5th was used on Blaylock? edit: (yes)

KCrockaholic
10-18-2011, 12:15 PM
He's gonna go out and play like Jesse Palmer.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 12:18 PM
Raiders actually have a pretty good shot at winning the division.

LMAO you actually think this is a good move?

Winning the division is worth a 1st rd pick?

DeezNutz
10-18-2011, 12:19 PM
If he plays this weekend, I'd say there's a pretty decent chance that Hali lights his shit up.

S&BJW
10-18-2011, 12:21 PM
Leaving the Raider hate out for a second, this move isn`t as crazy as some are saying.

Fact: Jason Campbell has steadily been getting worse since week 2. At best he is a safe "game manager" but has been acting more and more tentative in recent games. He consistently misses his longer targets especially sideline routes which more often than not flair out of bounds giving the WR no chance.

I think a healthy Palmer makes these throws as he is certainly more accurate than JC. Palmer also comes here with much more talent around him than he had in Cincy. Hue Jackson knows Palmer and Palmer knows Hues offense making this transition easier than most other scenarios.

I agree that the price is way too high but the Raiders HAD to make this move as Boller is near horrible and there were only 2 hours left for the trade deadline. It is a risk, but most success is obtained by taking calculated risks. Raiders did just fine in similar moves for older vets in Gannon and Plunkett. (yes, they came at a cheaper price but..) Time will tell. He could be a franchise QB for the next 3-5 years grooming Pryor or he may go down with injury his first play of the game. Who knows? Also, if he sucks the Raiders are only out 1 first round pick as the 2013 pick is conditional.

oldandslow
10-18-2011, 12:21 PM
Raiders panic. Good.

The only way this works out well for them is if he leads them to a SB. It's possible, I suppose, but not very likely.

Frosty
10-18-2011, 12:23 PM
Did Davis' son get Al's craziness without the football smarts?

bobbything
10-18-2011, 12:24 PM
Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.
The only similarities between this trade and the Trent Green trade is their respective ages. That's it.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 12:26 PM
Raiders have 7.5 million + I guaranteed 1st rounder and a conditional ... If Palmer comes in here and lights it up then who cares about the picks. Raiders have 13 former first round picks on this team, they will be fine. The only way the Raiders lose in this deal is if Palmer just flat out sucks. Hell it would have cost 5 million to pay Orton for the rest of the year.....

p.s. you guys have 60+ million invested in that pocket sloth of a qb you have.

LMAO you are a moron. Are you really making fun of a QB that none of us like?

Crush
10-18-2011, 12:27 PM
This is one of the worst trades in NFL history.

jspchief
10-18-2011, 12:29 PM
I can't stop laughing.

Imagine your team traded away 2 1st round picks... What is the minimum result to make the trade worth it? One Superbowl win? Multiple pro bowl type seasons? Solidify that position for 5 years?

Is Palmer capable of any of that? Even if he plays at his best, does he make the Raiders better than NE? Can he play that well for more than half a season?

The move has the potential to "succeed" this year, but the cost has years worth of effect.

4th and Long
10-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Leaving the Raider hate out for a second, this move isn`t as crazy as some are saying.

Fact: Jason Campbell has steadily been getting worse since week 2. At best he is a safe "game manager" but has been acting more and more tentative in recent games. He consistently misses his longer targets especially sideline routes which more often than not flair out of bounds giving the WR no chance.

I think a healthy Palmer makes these throws as he is certainly more accurate than JC. Palmer also comes here with much more talent around him than he had in Cincy. Hue Jackson knows Palmer and Palmer knows Hues offense making this transition easier than most other scenarios.

I agree that the price is way too high but the Raiders HAD to make this move as Boller is near horrible and there were only 2 hours left for the trade deadline. It is a risk, but most success is obtained by taking calculated risks. Raiders did just fine in similar moves for older vets in Gannon and Plunkett. (yes, they came at a cheaper price but..) Time will tell. He could be a franchise QB for the next 3-5 years grooming Pryor or he may go down with injury his first play of the game. Who knows? Also, if he sucks the Raiders are only out 1 first round pick as the 2013 pick is conditional.
Fact: In 7 years, Palmer has racked up 100 INTS and fumbled 42 times.

Does that seem like 1st round material to you?

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Fact: In 7 years, Palmer has racked up 100 INTS and fumbled 42 times.

Does that seem like 1st round material to you?

No, it seems like 2 1st round material.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-18-2011, 12:32 PM
The only similarities between this trade and the Trent Green trade is their respective ages. That's it.

Yeah.

Trent Green:Obtained in the offseason and was instrumental in implementing new offense, as he ran the same offense in St Louis. Trent Green was ascending and had a QB rating over 100 the year before after coming back from a knee injury. Also, one first round pick and the Chiefs got an additional pick in return. Even still, the Chiefs stunk that first year as he got to know the team.

Carson Palmer: Not in this offense. Aquired in the middle of the season. Palmer has quit on his team. He has been on the couch for 10 months. He hasn't been in meetings. Oh, and rather than one first round pick, getting a QB and a fifth rounder in return.... it is one first round pick and at least another second for a QB and no additional picks in return.

WV
10-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Palmer also comes here with much more talent around him than he had in Cincy.

This isn't true....Palmer had some good teams in CIN and the WR's in CIN today are still better than the Raiders.

Buddy Rich
10-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I am a Raiders fan and a realist. This is one of the worst trades I have ever seen.

4th and Long
10-18-2011, 12:33 PM
No, it seems like 2 1st round material.
:LOL:

Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry. ROFL

4th and Long
10-18-2011, 12:34 PM
I am a Raiders fan and a realist. This is one of the worst trades I have ever seen.

3 cheers for the non-homer.

Rausch
10-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Mike Brown is looking like a ****ing genious.

Consider that they're 4-2 without Palmer and it looks even better...

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 12:38 PM
LMAO this made my day!

doomy3
10-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.

Well, except that there are virtually no similarities at all.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2011, 12:39 PM
LMAO you actually think this is a good move?

Winning the division is worth a 1st rd pick?

Never said it was. I just said the Raiders have a shot at winning the division. Besides as Chiefs fans we have no room to talk about trades for QBs look at the last 3 we did, all had the same amount of risk that the Raiders are making.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 12:40 PM
I'm considering making a victory rep thread for this.

****VICTORY REP THREAD: OAKLAND TRASHES FUTURE FOR PALMER****

okcchief
10-18-2011, 12:40 PM
What a stupid trade by the Raiders.

Mike Brown being a dick pays off. Palmer was probably woth a 3rd at most. He gets a 1st and maybe 2? WOW!

Palmer had talent around him the last few years. The year before last when they went to the playoffs he held them back. He has lost his arm strength and really is about like Matt Cassel.

At least we didn't give up to first round picks for Cassel's worthless ass.

JASONSAUTO
10-18-2011, 12:40 PM
Never said it was. I just said the Raiders have a shot at winning the division. Besides as Chiefs fans we have no room to talk about trades for QBs look at the last 3 we did, all had the same amount of risk that the Raiders are making.

are you on drugs today?

serious question

S&BJW
10-18-2011, 12:41 PM
I am a Raiders fan and a realist. This is one of the worst trades I have ever seen.

Too soon to say but you could be correct........just hearing on local radio this deal is far from done....maybe Raiders are renogotiating his existing contract?

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 12:41 PM
Never said it was. I just said the Raiders have a shot at winning the division. Besides as Chiefs fans we have no room to talk about trades for QBs look at the last 3 we did, all had the same amount of risk that the Raiders are making.

We have picks to fix our problem at qb this offseason. They are stuck with 4 shitty choices at QB for at LEAST the next 3 years.

Frosty
10-18-2011, 12:41 PM
Besides as Chiefs fans we have no room to talk about trades for QBs look at the last 3 we did, all had the same amount of risk that the Raiders are making.

As Chiefs fan, we do have room to talk. From experience, we know this will turn out badly for the Raiders.

doomy3
10-18-2011, 12:42 PM
Never said it was. I just said the Raiders have a shot at winning the division. Besides as Chiefs fans we have no room to talk about trades for QBs look at the last 3 we did, all had the same amount of risk that the Raiders are making.

No, they didn't.

We haven't given up the kind of compensation that the Raiders gave up for any of those QBs.

Oh yeah, and they weren't coming off of a dreadful year.

Oh yeah, and they weren't coming in in the middle of the season.

Oh yeah, and they hadn't sat out half a season when we signed them.

You're really reaching here.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2011, 12:43 PM
are you on drugs today?

serious question

Montana, Green and Cassel were all major risks. Hell Montana only played once in two seasons. Green was a year from major knee surgery and Cassel is well Cassel. All of those moves easily could have backfired on us.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 12:44 PM
Consider that they're 4-2 without Palmer and it looks even better...

Exactly. The Bengals got a 1st and a 2nd and give up absolutely NOTHING.

doomy3
10-18-2011, 12:45 PM
Montana, Green and Cassel were all major risks. Hell Montana only played once in two seasons. Green was a year from major knee surgery and Cassel is well Cassel. All of those moves easily could have backfired on us.

And if they would have backfired on us, we would have had picks to fix it.

The Raiders have mortgaged their entire draft next year, and one of their top 2 picks next year to build a mediocre squad with a terrible QB who has sat out half a season and is entering a new unfamiliar situation.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 12:47 PM
Montana, Green and Cassel were all major risks. Hell Montana only played once in two seasons. Green was a year from major knee surgery and Cassel is well Cassel. All of those moves easily could have backfired on us.

True. But we didn't give up a possible TWO 1st rd picks?

If Oakland only gives up a 2nd next yr then it's not a terrible deal.

King_Chief_Fan
10-18-2011, 12:49 PM
desperate needs cause for desperate measures.......There is no win in this, only fail. No pre-season, conditioning, knowledge of the offense.......it will take him to week 10-11 and next thing you know season is shot and so are the Raiders.......8-8 (possibly)for 2 first rounders and qb that will not be around next season. Al Davis lives on!

Mr. Arrowhead
10-18-2011, 12:49 PM
Andrew Luck trade value just went up

suds79
10-18-2011, 12:50 PM
Besides as Chiefs fans we have no room to talk about trades for QBs look at the last 3 we did, all had the same amount of risk that the Raiders are making.

If anything we're experts in talking about trades for QBs. We can tell you it does not work.

Rough future ahead for Oakland and I love it.

bevischief
10-18-2011, 12:51 PM
I am a Raiders fan and a realist. This is one of the worst trades I have ever seen.

That is why we like so much.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2011, 12:52 PM
A Raider fan I work with said this about the trade...

"You gotta do what you gotta do. We're going to the Super Bowl with this move."

Wow.

Bane
10-18-2011, 12:53 PM
Thanks Al.

He read the thread about DT's funeral and wanted to make it up to us.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 12:58 PM
Check out your local Raiders message boards. They're 95% suicidal and 5% true fan. LMAO

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2011, 12:58 PM
Hue Jackson is now officially a Raider for backing this move. Probably the best of all time.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-18-2011, 01:02 PM
Raider fan. "We finally have our franchise QB. What a great move."

He is serious.

IPwnFools
10-18-2011, 01:02 PM
Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

Lol, you guys really need to worry about your own team. You know, the one that is in the Suck for Luck race?

The Raiders will be fine. Carson knows the system and will step in and make it a seamless transition. We don't even need him to play this week against you guys.

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:04 PM
Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

Lol, you guys really need to worry about your own team. You know, the one that is in the Suck for Luck race?

The Raiders will be fine. Carson knows the system and will step in and make it a seamless transition. We don't even need him to play this week against you guys.

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

There is so much wrong with this post.

vailpass
10-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

Lol, you guys really need to worry about your own team. You know, the one that is in the Suck for Luck race?

The Raiders will be fine. Carson knows the system and will step in and make it a seamless transition. We don't even need him to play this week against you guys.

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

You have the most clever user name I have ever seen. Can you get that to fit on a custom license plate?

SnakeXJones
10-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

Lol, you guys really need to worry about your own team. You know, the one that is in the Suck for Luck race?

The Raiders will be fine. Carson knows the system and will step in and make it a seamless transition. We don't even need him to play this week against you guys.

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

Your making knowmo look smart

JASONSAUTO
10-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Montana, Green and Cassel were all major risks. Hell Montana only played once in two seasons. Green was a year from major knee surgery and Cassel is well Cassel. All of those moves easily could have backfired on us.

yeah but the compensation given up for palmer makes their risk MUCH more.

a first and a second is rape, if it ends up being 2 firsts the bengals dug up al's corpse and raped it too.

DBOSHO
10-18-2011, 01:06 PM
Fade fans really let week 17 last year get to their heads lmao

bobbything
10-18-2011, 01:10 PM
Montana, Green and Cassel were all major risks. Hell Montana only played once in two seasons. Green was a year from major knee surgery and Cassel is well Cassel. All of those moves easily could have backfired on us.
Montana: old but proven throughout his career, only one 1st round pick given up
Green: widely considered to have significant upside
Cassel: unproven, supposedly had significant upside

All three were risks, but considered to (a) have major upside, or (b) had proven themselves throughout their career. None of these are akin to the Palmer trade. Furthermore, we gave up a 1st for a Hall of Fame QB, a 1st for an older, ascending QB, and a 2nd for a young QB who had a very good year with a Super Bowl-caliber team. These are calculated risks that hinge on upside.

Carson Palmer threw 20 interceptions last year, had a Cassel-esque year in 09, didn't really play in 08, and threw 20 interceptions in 07. He has done nothing in 5 years. There is little upside, little potential. They're banking on a 1st and 2nd round trade to find the fountain of youth (pre-surgery, mind you).

I see this as 10x more risky than any QB trade the Chiefs have made in the last 20 years.

Chronic
10-18-2011, 01:10 PM
Good trade for the Raiders actually. I been saying it since last year they were a QB away from being a contender. Dont laugh just yet, this might put the Raiders on top of the AFC West for the next 5 years. And when you win the division, you go to the playoffs.

Don't be surprised to see Oakland in the playoffs this year and the next 4-5. Didnt Hue Jackson coached the WR's in Cinci when he and Palmer were there?. The Raiders offense is pretty identical to what the Bengals ran while Hue was there. Raiders got some young speedy WR's now. And Palmer's got a solid running game behind him.

Don't be surprised to see Palmer get back to his pro bowl status now.

mnchiefsguy
10-18-2011, 01:11 PM
KK thinks it is a good trade! Faiders fans, starting printing those superbowl tickets!

DeezNutz
10-18-2011, 01:12 PM
Good trade for the Raiders actually. I been saying it since last year they were a QB away from being a contender. Dont laugh just yet, this might put the Raiders on top of the AFC West for the next 5 years. And when you win the division, you go to the playoffs.

Don't be surprised to see Oakland in the playoffs this year and the next 4-5. Didnt Hue Jackson coached the WR's in Cinci when he and Palmer were there?. The Raiders offense is pretty identical to what the Bengals ran while Hue was there. Raiders got some young speedy WR's now. And Palmer's got a solid running game behind him.

Don't be surprised to see Palmer get back to his pro bowl status now.

Palmer has been a shell of his former self since the knee injury.

SnakeXJones
10-18-2011, 01:13 PM
Good trade for the Raiders actually. I been saying it since last year they were a QB away from being a contender. Dont laugh just yet, this might put the Raiders on top of the AFC West for the next 5 years. And when you win the division, you go to the playoffs.

Don't be surprised to see Oakland in the playoffs this year and the next 4-5. Didnt Hue Jackson coached the WR's in Cinci when he and Palmer were there?. The Raiders offense is pretty identical to what the Bengals ran while Hue was there. Raiders got some young speedy WR's now. And Palmer's got a solid running game behind him.

Don't be surprised to see Palmer get back to his pro bowl status now.

Hope we aim for the knee if he plays cause this post is full of wtf

talastan
10-18-2011, 01:13 PM
KK thinks it is a good trade! Faiders fans, starting printing those superbowl tickets!

There you go ROFL.....I feel much better about this already.

Marcellus
10-18-2011, 01:13 PM
So is Al still alive or just running the team from Hell?

Maybe since he is in Hell he wants all the Raider's fans to know what it is like.

talastan
10-18-2011, 01:15 PM
So is Al still alive or just running the team from Hell?

Maybe since he is in Hell he wants all the Raider's fans to know what it is like.

Davis' Son is using his Ouija board to ask Dad for advice. :thumb:

Bump
10-18-2011, 01:15 PM
the Bengals got the best deal in 20 years on a player, especially since he hasn't been any good for a while now. I love it! LOL, I always knew good old Al was a vampire, he's back!

bevischief
10-18-2011, 01:17 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/18/second-first-round-pick-for-palmer-comes-from-playoff-win/

Second first-round pick for Palmer comes from playoff win
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2011, 1:55 PM EDT
Carson Palmer AP

During Monday’s Raiders-Bengals edition of PFT Live, FOX’s Jay Glazer said that the Bengals get a second first-round pick if the Raiders win a playoff game in 2011. Otherwise, the Bengals get a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen also has reported these basic terms.

Here are a few quick takes regarding the deal.

1. With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round. Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years. At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning.

2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It’s unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer’s performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.

2. The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.

3. Or not. The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year’s deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer.

4. Palmer reportedly has said he’ll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium. Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year.

5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.

6. As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland. And he’s taking a big risk that Palmer won’t be worth the price that was paid. Which could eventually limit Jackson’s influence, if Palmer doesn’t deliver.

7. As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer. If the Browns don’t break Jason Campbell’s collarbone, Palmer doesn’t get traded until 2012, at the earliest.

8. Palmer’s decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn’t have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster.

9. If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen. There’s a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn’t want to play with him again.

10. Terrelle Pryor’s career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position.

11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.

bevischief
10-18-2011, 01:19 PM
Palmer is under contract through 2014, at base salaries of $11.5 million, $11.5 million, $13 million, and $14 million. The prorated 2011 salary is $7.44 million; as of October 4, the Raiders had $6.1 million in cap space for 2011.

O.city
10-18-2011, 01:22 PM
the faid have given up a 1st,3rd,and 4th round picks in next years draft.....for quarterbacks.

the Talking Can
10-18-2011, 01:23 PM
Palmer's been a top-20 QB the last couple of years...his QB rating last year put him at 18th (16th in 2009)....Cassel was 9th

his td/int ratio is god awful...over the last 4 years it is 76/57 along with 13 fumbles in the last 2 years..


he's been sitting on his ass for half a season, and the raiders traded a 1st and 2nd....just incredible...

this is an all-time stupid trade

DaFace
10-18-2011, 01:23 PM
Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.

Except it was for one pick instead of two. And Trent was playing well before his knee got destroyed, where Palmer has been a mediocre QB for the past few years.

BigRichard
10-18-2011, 01:24 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6058/6257946125_4a43436f10_z.jpg

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:25 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_46r1n1AcXio/SdTgx6RzKPI/AAAAAAAAEnI/3zD_U-n0CPY/s400/carson+palmer.jpg


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Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 01:26 PM
Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

Wait so you complaining about a thread on a 'Chief Board' adding to the thread count is what then?

Hypocrite?

You may be the most stupid poster in the last couple hours....Congrats, that is a pretty difficult task in this thread.

Bane
10-18-2011, 01:28 PM
Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

Lol, you guys really need to worry about your own team. You know, the one that is in the Suck for Luck race?

The Raiders will be fine. Carson knows the system and will step in and make it a seamless transition. We don't even need him to play this week against you guys.

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

Lol @ knomo jr.

IPwnFools
10-18-2011, 01:31 PM
I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

whoman69
10-18-2011, 01:31 PM
Here's to hoping he kept his skills sharp just like Kerry Collins.

whoman69
10-18-2011, 01:33 PM
I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

Elite? Based on what? I don't know what's funnier, the statement itself or the delusion you have to believe it.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:33 PM
I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

Didn't you get the memo? This board is untrollable this year.

IPwnFools
10-18-2011, 01:35 PM
Elite? Based on what? I don't know what's funnier, the statement itself or the delusion you have to believe it.

If Chris Johnson catches a pass that was thrown right to him by Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Raiders are 5-1. Which would be the best record in the AFC.

So, yeah, we're elite.

The only teams in the AFC that you MAYBE argue that are better than the Raiders are New England and MAYBE Baltimore. Other then that, nope.

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 01:36 PM
I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

You are joking right? The Raiders are not even favorites to win the AFC west, which is a pretty bad division....

Trololol

http://3mb.us/images/307_Police_I_got_trolled.jpg

bobbything
10-18-2011, 01:36 PM
Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.
4-2, tied with 6 other teams with the same record. Solid, good, these are adjectives I'd use to describe the Raiders. "Elite" on the other hand, not so much.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2011, 01:36 PM
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'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2011, 01:37 PM
Why in the hell would you give up two first round draft picks for a QB on the wrong side of thirty who has been a head case since a knee injury five years ago?

Bane
10-18-2011, 01:38 PM
I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.



Drama!

bobbything
10-18-2011, 01:38 PM
If Chris Johnson catches a pass that was thrown right to him by Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Raiders are 5-1. Which would be the best record in the AFC.

So, yeah, we're elite.

The only teams in the AFC that you MAYBE argue that are better than the Raiders are New England and MAYBE Baltimore. Other then that, nope.
This is hilarious. We could play the "coulda/woulda/shoulda" game for days, which is the crux of any losers argument.

jspchief
10-18-2011, 01:40 PM
Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

I'm pretty sure no one here is gonna "worry" about this move.

O.city
10-18-2011, 01:40 PM
IF Matt Schaub isn't amoron and walks in the endzone like he should have, you are 2-3 so....

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:40 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/509888/nbaturiaf_medium.gif

LMAO

You can always tell when someone new enters the thread.

Chocolate Hog
10-18-2011, 01:41 PM
I think the most surprising thing is Raider fans defending this trade. Well maybe not.

Marcellus
10-18-2011, 01:41 PM
If Chris Johnson catches a pass that was thrown right to him by Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Raiders are 5-1. Which would be the best record in the AFC.

So, yeah, we're elite.

The only teams in the AFC that you MAYBE argue that are better than the Raiders are New England and MAYBE Baltimore. Other then that, nope.

The only thing dumber than this trade is your posts.

FringeNC
10-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Additionally, with the new collective bargaining agreement, draft picks are more valuable because they sign smaller contracts.

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 01:42 PM
I think the most surprising thing is Raider fans defending this trade. Well maybe not.

The sad thing is they had to make a mult (Ipwnfools) to even come in and try to defend this trade with a straight face....

DeezNutz
10-18-2011, 01:49 PM
I'm dumbfounded by the likes of Michael Smith saying that he "loves the trade." Wow.

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 01:49 PM
Good trade for the Raiders actually. I been saying it since last year they were a QB away from being a contender. Dont laugh just yet, this might put the Raiders on top of the AFC West for the next 5 years. And when you win the division, you go to the playoffs.

Don't be surprised to see Oakland in the playoffs this year and the next 4-5. Didnt Hue Jackson coached the WR's in Cinci when he and Palmer were there?. The Raiders offense is pretty identical to what the Bengals ran while Hue was there. Raiders got some young speedy WR's now. And Palmer's got a solid running game behind him.

Don't be surprised to see Palmer get back to his pro bowl status now.

Spin City

Mr. Arrowhead
10-18-2011, 01:50 PM
Could you imagine the reaction of CP, if it was us making this deal. LMAO

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 01:50 PM
I'm dumbfounded by the likes of Michael Smith saying that he "loves the trade." Wow.

Kurt Warner loves it too

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2011, 01:52 PM
That's gotta be one of the worst trades in NFL history.

IPwnFools
10-18-2011, 01:53 PM
The Raiders are not the favorites to win the AFC West? Bitch please lol.

The Raiders DESTROYED THE AFC WEST LAST YEAR WITH JASON CAMPBELL/BRUCE GRADKOWSKI!!!!

Imagine what we can do to the AFC West with a legit QB who can pass for 300 on any given day?

You Chief fans sound mighty Scurred. You are stuck with Matt Cassel, have no shot at Andrew Luck.

You guys are just hating bcuz you know the Raiders are about to take that next step.

SnakeXJones
10-18-2011, 01:54 PM
The Raiders are not the favorites to win the AFC West? Bitch please lol.

The Raiders DESTROYED THE AFC WEST LAST YEAR WITH JASON CAMPBELL/BRUCE GRADKOWSKI!!!!

Imagine what we can do to the AFC West with a legit QB who can pass for 300 on any given day?

You Chief fans sound mighty Scurred. You are stuck with Matt Cassel, have no shot at Andrew Luck.

You guys are just hating bcuz you know the Raiders are about to take that next step.ROFLROFL WTF are you bolding letters? are you writing a fucking novel?

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 01:55 PM
The Raiders are not the favorites to win the AFC West? Bitch please lol.


Take your argument to the oddsmakers...the raiders have been favored to get 2nd place since before week one...

Oh wait maybe the Carson Palmer trade will somehow shift the odds?

You tell me then, what are the odds?

FringeNC
10-18-2011, 01:55 PM
I'm dumbfounded by the likes of Michael Smith saying that he "loves the trade." Wow.

Yeah, it's like these guys still think it's 2005 edition of Carson Palmer. The guy may be only 31, but it appears to me and many others that he has lost whatever physical tools he had. His arm strength appears to be nothing like it was in 2005 in addition to being a statue back there.

Chocolate Hog
10-18-2011, 01:55 PM
Would have love to seen us do this trade just for the reaction of CP.

IPwnFools
10-18-2011, 01:56 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.

Our team is young, all of our key players are locked up.

We have no major holes on the team.

Draft picks take years to develop. We are ready to win right now.

Superbowl or bust for us. We Raider fans wouldn't expect you Chief fans to understand that.

You fools havent won a playoff game since the early 90's! LOF'ingL

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:57 PM
The Raiders are not the favorites to win the AFC West? Bitch please lol.

The Raiders DESTROYED THE AFC WEST LAST YEAR WITH JASON CAMPBELL/BRUCE GRADKOWSKI!!!!

Imagine what we can do to the AFC West with a legit QB who can pass for 300 on any given day?

You Chief fans sound mighty Scurred. You are stuck with Matt Cassel, have no shot at Andrew Luck.

You guys are just hating bcuz you know the Raiders are about to take that next step.


LMAO

How'd your games go last year when you didn't play the AFC West?

Slainte
10-18-2011, 01:57 PM
If Chris Johnson catches a pass that was thrown right to him by Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Raiders are 5-1. Which would be the best record in the AFC.

So, yeah, we're elite.

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Confused_robert_morley_small.jpg

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:57 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.

Our team is young, all of our key players are locked up.

We have no major holes on the team.

Draft picks take years to develop. We are ready to win right now.

Superbowl or bust for us. We Raider fans wouldn't expect you Chief fans to understand that.

You fools havent won a playoff game since the early 90's! LOF'ingL


LMAO LMAO

Worst effort at trolling ever.

SnakeXJones
10-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.

Our team is young, all of our key players are locked up.

We have no major holes on the team.

Draft picks take years to develop. We are ready to win right now.

Superbowl or bust for us. We Raider fans wouldn't expect you Chief fans to understand that.

You fools havent won a playoff game since the early 90's! LOF'ingL I hope you stay on this board forever atleast Knowmo has intelligence but :LOL:

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.


Yah but they might be useful come April you moron...

Oh wait you wont have any...nevermind.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 01:58 PM
I sincerely hope this troll is someone's mult. Because this guy is hilarious.

I actually wish i had thought of creating a mult like this for this thread.

the Talking Can
10-18-2011, 01:59 PM
Could you imagine the reaction of CP, if it was us making this deal. LMAO

i would lay this place to waste

talastan
10-18-2011, 01:59 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.

Our team is young, all of our key players are locked up.

We have no major holes on the team.

Draft picks take years to develop. We are ready to win right now.

Superbowl or bust for us. We Raider fans wouldn't expect you Chief fans to understand that.

You fools havent won a playoff game since the early 90's! LOF'ingL
Your and idiot, seriously. How do you expect to resign all of this young talent when your franchise is in cap hell? And all of this without draft picks to supplement lost talent....Oh wait I get it your going to build your team on compensitory picks. Bravo!! :thumb: :shake:

jspchief
10-18-2011, 01:59 PM
The Raiders D is one if the worst in the league. Please stop with this "elite" bullshit.

28th in points allowed
28th in yards allowed
28th in pass D
16th in run D

KCUnited
10-18-2011, 01:59 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.

Our team is young, all of our key players are locked up.

We have no major holes on the team.

Draft picks take years to develop. We are ready to win right now.

Superbowl or bust for us. We Raider fans wouldn't expect you Chief fans to understand that.

You fools havent won a playoff game since the early 90's! LOF'ingL

Please stay forever.

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 02:00 PM
Superbowl or bust for us.

I'ma go with BUST for $500, Chuck...

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:02 PM
I'ma go with BUST for $500, Chuck...

First of all, $500 isn't an option in Jeopardy. Second, you just as well go with $1000 and the Daily Double.

talastan
10-18-2011, 02:02 PM
Please stay forever.

Can the mods adjust his name to ITradePicks? ROFL

Frosty
10-18-2011, 02:02 PM
The Raiders D is one if the worst in the league. Please stop with this "elite" bullshit.

28th in points allowed
28th in yards allowed
28th in pass D
16th in run D

And just look at all of those elite teams they've beaten so far.

Oh wait....

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:02 PM
Davis' Son is using his Ouija board to ask Dad for advice. :thumb:

What, did the ouija board say i-m-p-l-o-d-e-t-h-e-f-r-a-n-c-h-i-s-e or something?

Buck
10-18-2011, 02:03 PM
Keep on keepin on Raiders.

Bwana
10-18-2011, 02:04 PM
Seriously? Damn!


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talastan
10-18-2011, 02:04 PM
What, did the ouija board say i-m-p-l-o-d-e-t-h-e-f-r-a-n-c-h-i-s-e or something?

Either that or "A-i-d-s-f-i-r-e-s-r-e-a-l-l-y-h-u-r-t"

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2011, 02:05 PM
I actually don't think either is more "talented" than Palmer, but to say he's "better" is highly questionable. You can reign it in with Tebow or Cassel, play smart football and win games. Palmer was out there playing with two all world WRs last year and had a worse year than Cassel. He was not good... way too sloppy. The Raiders aren't exactly the franchise known for helping guys find their discipline. And that doesn't even include the fact they mortgaged the farm for him.
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I do think we've learned Ochocinco is overrated...and stupid.

Pawnmower
10-18-2011, 02:05 PM
If the lowly Chiefs manage to beat the Fade do you think we might be Herpes Free ... i mean..Raider Troll free for the rest of the season??

ChiefsandO'sfan
10-18-2011, 02:05 PM
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talastan
10-18-2011, 02:07 PM
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I'm Al Davis and I approve of this message! :thumb:

Mr. Laz
10-18-2011, 02:08 PM
wow ... i agree with the move but the price is just crazy. A 31 year old quarterback with injuries etc should go for a 2nd round pick not a 1st and 2nd(maybe two firsts :eek: )

Radar Chief
10-18-2011, 02:09 PM
wow ... i agree with the move but the price is just crazy. A 31 year old quarterback with injuries etc should go for a 2nd round pick not a 1st and 2nd(maybe two firsts :eek: )

Pfft. We don’t need no stinking draft picks. /Raiduh’s troll

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:11 PM
Also, Draft picks are useless to the Raiders right now.

Our team is young, all of our key players are locked up.

We have no major holes on the team.

Draft picks take years to develop. We are ready to win right now.

Superbowl or bust for us. We Raider fans wouldn't expect you Chief fans to understand that.

You fools havent won a playoff game since the early 90's! LOF'ingL



Wow, really?

Really?

That's what you are using to rationalize this move? The Raiders are so good that they don't need their first round picks for the next two years? The Raiders, that mighty juggernaut that needed Kyle Orton to fumble away a TD to beat my hapless Broncos by three points, are so good that they scoff at first round picks. The throw them casually aside. With contempt even.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:13 PM
Either that or "A-i-d-s-f-i-r-e-s-r-e-a-l-l-y-h-u-r-t"


Maybe it was w-e-d-o-n-'-t-n-e-e-d-d-r-a-f-t-p-i-c-k-s.

Molitoth
10-18-2011, 02:14 PM
Raiders Nation now thinks Carson Palmer is the second coming of christ. What idiots.
I don't know of a bigger fanbase of idiotic homers.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:15 PM
Raiders Nation now thinks Carson Palmer is the second coming of christ. What idiots.
I don't know of a bigger fanbase of idiotic homers.

Denver Fans are pretty fucking stupid too. As are Minnesota's.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:16 PM
Denver Fans are pretty ****ing stupid too. As are Minnesota's.

You've got to stop going to Orangemane.com.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:17 PM
It's very easy to tell when the Cheap fans are scurred..... Don't be scurred

talastan
10-18-2011, 02:17 PM
You've got to stop going to Orangemane.com.

QFT

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:18 PM
This guy loves the trade.

http://www.basarchive.org/bswb_graphics/BSAO/01/01/BSAO010102800.jpg

lcarus
10-18-2011, 02:18 PM
It's very easy to tell when the Cheap fans are scurred..... Don't be scurred

Not any more scared than I was before. Which is not at all. And no...I don't think the Chiefs will necessarily win.

Radar Chief
10-18-2011, 02:19 PM
You've got to stop going to Orangemane.com.

Way ahead of ya on that one.

talastan
10-18-2011, 02:19 PM
It's very easy to tell when the Cheap fans are scurred..... Don't be scurred

If you mean "scared" than, no we are not scared. Your over 30 yr old QB with six seasons of mediocre play doesn't put fear into us. Now if you really meant "scurred" you need to talk to the tutor there in your county jail grammar class. Thanks for the entertainment Faider!

Mr. Arrowhead
10-18-2011, 02:19 PM
Denver Fans are pretty ****ing stupid too. As are Minnesota's.

dont think they are that stupid, im sure they would be going ape shit if they traded for a 32 year old QB for 2 1st round draft picks

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:20 PM
You've got to stop going to Orangemane.com.

I'm talking moreso about the broncos fans i've met IRL.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:21 PM
It's very easy to tell when the Cheap fans are scurred..... Don't be scurred


http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/blogs/images/PandaLabs/2008/07/14/Homer_Computer.png

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:22 PM
I'm talking moreso about the broncos fans i've met IRL.

I don't know. I've never lived in South Dakota and don't ever plan to.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:22 PM
This trade has really gotten into you guys heads.... Great thread

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:24 PM
This trade has really gotten into you guys heads.... Great thread

Well of course it has. A division rival just fucked up really badly. It's interesting.

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:24 PM
Washington Redskins overpay player without trading draft picks = Idiots


Oakland overpays player while trading a 1st and a 2nd = Just being aggresive.


:facepalm:

Pestilence
10-18-2011, 02:24 PM
It's going to be great when someone takes out his knee and you guys still have to play with Kyle Boller.

Radar Chief
10-18-2011, 02:25 PM
This trade has really gotten into you guys heads.... Great thread

As a good joke can.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:26 PM
It's going to be great when someone takes out his knee and you guys still have to play with Kyle Boller.

Why would you want to take out the knees of a washed up player?

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:27 PM
I hope the Broncos FO sends someone over to Raiders HQ. Maybe if we have a guy hanging out they'll just give him some draft picks. Worth a shot.

blaise
10-18-2011, 02:27 PM
It's going to be great when someone takes out his knee and you guys still have to play with Kyle Boller.

I put the over under on games he starts the rest of the season at 5.

whoman69
10-18-2011, 02:27 PM
It's going to be great when someone takes out his knee and you guys still have to play with Kyle Boller.

I don't see how they can get him ready for this weekend in any case. Kyle Boller is the face of the organization this week.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:28 PM
This thread is oozing with jealousy.... Don't you wish your team had the balls to make a trade? Who did you guys trade for to help you're team before the deadline?

SnakeXJones
10-18-2011, 02:29 PM
I hope the Broncos FO send someone over to Raiders HQ. Maybe if we have a guy hanging out they'll just give him some draft picks. Worth a shot. I am gonna dress up as Mike Brown for halloween & go up the their HQ im sure instead of candy I'll get draft picks

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:30 PM
This thread is oozing with jealousy.... Don't you wish your team had the balls to make a trade? Who did you guys trade for to help you're team before the deadline?

KFFL reports that DEN/KC still have their first draft picks for the next two years. That's always nice.

Brock
10-18-2011, 02:30 PM
This thread is oozing with jealousy.... Don't you wish your team had the balls to make a trade? Who did you guys trade for to help you're team before the deadline?

Do you think we're jealous of your team figuratively walking around with its pants around its ankles and a confused expression on its face?

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:31 PM
I am gonna dress up as Mike Brown for halloween & go up the their HQ im sure instead of candy I'll get draft picks

God dammit, leave some for us. I'm calling Elway.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:31 PM
KFFL reports that DEN/KC still have their first draft picks for the next two years. That's always nice.

But what do you have at the start of this season?

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:32 PM
But what do you have at the start of this season?

Four Quarterbacks that are better than Carson Palmer.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:33 PM
I don't know. I've never lived in South Dakota and don't ever plan to.

You're missing out. We have corn and everything.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:33 PM
Four Quarterbacks that are better than Carson Palmer.

Donk's 4 qb's together aren't as good as Palmer.... Dude, you have keystone kop tebow wtf?

Bwana
10-18-2011, 02:33 PM
But what do you have at the start of this season?

The same thing you guys have, a team that isn't going to win the Super Bowl this year.

Pestilence
10-18-2011, 02:34 PM
Four Quarterbacks that are better than Carson Palmer.

ROFL

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:35 PM
This thread is oozing with jealousy.... Don't you wish your team had the balls to make a trade? Who did you guys trade for to help you're team before the deadline?

We have made trades for retread QB's. That's all we've done.


That's why we have been losers for 30 + years, and you are jerking off to the same script.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:35 PM
You're missing out. We have corn and everything.


I do like corn.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:35 PM
The same thing you guys have, a team that isn't going to win the Super Bowl this year.

Chiefs aren't going to or going to win a SB in any year, don't lump the Raiders in the pile the Cheaps are in.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:35 PM
I do like corn.

You can't eat it though, it's for the cattle.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
We have made trades for retread QB's. That's all we've done.


That's why we have been losers for 30 + years, and you are jerking off to the same script.

Yea but you traded for Cassell

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
Donk's 4 qb's together aren't as good as Palmer.... Dude, you have keystone kop tebow wtf?

I'd take the QB off of our Practice Squad over Carson Palmer.

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
You can't eat it though, it's for the cattle.

You can, but probably shouldn't.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
You can, but probably shouldn't.

Well then what are the cattle going to eat?

Bwana
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
Chiefs aren't going to or going to win a SB in any year, don't lump the Raiders in the pile the Cheaps are in.

So how far do you see the Raiders going this year, with your new boy behind center?

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
You can't eat it though, it's for the cattle.


Well...shit. Never mind.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:37 PM
I'd take the QB off of our Practice Squad over Carson Palmer.

Oh I know you would.

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:37 PM
Yea but you traded for Cassell

Bono and Grbac, too. What make Carson any better?



Absolutely nothing.

Molitoth
10-18-2011, 02:37 PM
This thread is oozing with jealousy.... Don't you wish your team had the balls to make a trade? Who did you guys trade for to help you're team before the deadline?

Our trade was keeping our 1st round draft picks.... I'd say we made out better than the Raiders.

:LOL:

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 02:38 PM
This thread is oozing with jealousy.... Don't you wish your team had the balls to make a trade? Who did you guys trade for to help you're team before the deadline?

LMAO

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:38 PM
So how far do you see the Radiers going this year, with you new boy behind center?

Much farther than the Cheaps or Donks,, Slightly ahead of the Sparks... Raiders will win the west this yr

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:38 PM
Hell, throw Trent Green on that list, too. We didn't win shit with him,either.


Are you seeing a trend when it comes to retreads, R8er? As Chiefs fans, we are experts on retread losers.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:38 PM
Oh I know you would.


We'd trade him to you but you're out of picks. Sorry.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:38 PM
Bono and Grbac, too. What make Carson any better?



Absolutely nothing.

That Gannon guy was decent until you... well you know

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:39 PM
That Gannon guy was decent until you... well you know

He met the Bucs?

Dr. Gigglepants
10-18-2011, 02:39 PM
<a href="http://tinypic.com?ref=34quywi" target="_blank"><img src="http://i54.tinypic.com/34quywi.png" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a>

Looks like they haven't beat him in yet. Blood in blood out, Carson!

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
Hell, throw Trent Green on that list, too. We didn't win shit with him,either.


Are you seeing a trend when it comes to retreads, R8er? As Chiefs fans, we are experts on retread losers.

Yea you guys are losers when it comes to retreads but the Raiders have actually done pretty well with the Gannon's and the Plunketts no one else wanted.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
He met the Bucs?

ROFL

BigMeatballDave
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
Much farther than the Cheaps or Donks,, Slightly ahead of the Sparks... Raiders will win the west this yr

Thats not worth ONE 1st rd pick, much less 2.

Molitoth
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
We'd trade him to you but you're out of picks. Sorry.

ROFL

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
Looks like they haven't beat him in yet. Blood in blood out, Carson!

20 million dollar smile.

Bwana
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
Much farther than the Cheaps or Donks,, Slightly ahead of the Sparks... Raiders will win the west this yr

I think they would have won the west without your new QB. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to get him up to speed.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:41 PM
Looks like they haven't beat him in yet. Blood in blood out, Carson!

This must be him leaving Cincy.


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/576/140/Carson-Palmer-Bloody-Nose_display_image.jpg?1292778465

Frazod
10-18-2011, 02:41 PM
I am gonna dress up as Mike Brown for halloween & go up the their HQ im sure instead of candy I'll get draft picks

ROFL

Mr. Laz
10-18-2011, 02:41 PM
I'm more pissed that Denver is deliberately trading off players to A) sabotage Tebow B)tank season for Luck

it's going to be a real contest, between Miami and Denver, to see who is King of teh Suck for Andrew Luck.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-18-2011, 02:41 PM
20 million dollar smile.

Why did he buy his watch in the checkout lane at Wal-Mart?

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:42 PM
Look guys, I know it must suck to be a fan of the cheapest team in the league, players go down and you guys just roll over and take it in the ass... No pickups off the waiver wire, no trades, just take it in the ass.... Thats why we love ya though

Pestilence
10-18-2011, 02:42 PM
QBs in the AFC West (minus the Raiders) that I would take over Carson Palmer.


Matt Cassel
Dick Stanzi
Tim Tebow
Kyle Orton
Brady Quinn
Philip Rivers
Billy Volek

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2011, 02:42 PM
A true godfather move by the Bengals would be this:

Spin the Raiders' first in 2012 and their own first in 2012 to Miami right now.

Then, if Miami finishes with the worst record they get Luck. If not, they get a top three pick rather than two picks in the mid teens to early 20s.

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:42 PM
Yea you guys are losers when it comes to retreads but the Raiders have actually done pretty well with the Gannon's and the Plunketts no one else wanted.

Agreed, but that is a very small percentage overall.


I disagree with some of my fellow Chiefs fans by thinking Palmer is a good pickup, but the price is what baffles me. Wow.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:43 PM
I think they would have won the west without your new QB. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to get him up to speed.

He has played for Hue before, thats why they wanted him so bad.

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:44 PM
Agreed, but that is a very small percentage overall.


I disagree with some of my fellow Chiefs fans by thinking Palmer is a good pickup, but the price is what baffles me. Wow.

I am not happy with the price, really I am not but if we go 10-6 or better the qb's available to us would not be good anyway.... I think they are going to try to groom that Pryor kid for the future.

Sofa King
10-18-2011, 02:44 PM
QBs in the AFC West (minus the Raiders) that I would take over Carson Palmer.


Matt Cassel
Dick Stanzi
Tim Tebow
Kyle Orton
Brady Quinn
Philip Rivers
Billy Volek


Why is Cassel at the top of your list? Even though you didn't go in order, i still don't know why you put him at the top....

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:45 PM
Vince Young would have been a better pickup for the Raiders, IMO. They probably could have had him for a 2nd, and signed him cheap.

listopencil
10-18-2011, 02:45 PM
A true godfather move by the Bengals would be this:

Spin the Raiders' first in 2012 and their own first in 2012 to Miami right now.

Then, if Miami finishes with the worst record they get Luck. If not, they get a top three pick rather than two picks in the mid teens to early 20s.

Wow. That is pretty daring but you're right, the payoff could be huge.

Bwana
10-18-2011, 02:46 PM
He has played for Hue before, thats why they wanted him so bad.

I know that, but he hasn't thrown a ball in a live game in a long time. Do you see him starting this weekend?

notorious
10-18-2011, 02:46 PM
I am not happy with the price, really I am not but if we go 10-6 or better the qb's available to us would not be good anyway.... I think they are going to try to groom that Pryor kid for the future.

Alright, we agree.

chiefscafan
10-18-2011, 02:47 PM
i knew this the raider fans come out of the wood work to proclaim they are gonna win the superbowl gotta love dilussional raider fans :)

3rd&48ers
10-18-2011, 02:49 PM
I know that, but he hasn't thrown a ball in a live game in a long time. Do you see him starting this weekend?

No , I see him starting after the bye week against Denver.