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Mr. Flopnuts
11-16-2011, 09:12 PM
Why else would Tyler Palko start for us? I loved this kid in preseason. I just don't get it. Help me understand why Stanzi can't get a chance...

Baconeater
11-16-2011, 09:13 PM
This couldn't go in one of the other 20 Stanzi threads?












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Smed1065
11-16-2011, 09:14 PM
Its a process.

Chocolate Hog
11-16-2011, 09:14 PM
Favoritism.

Jewish Rabbi
11-16-2011, 09:15 PM
I think it's pretty clear that race plays a factor in this decision.

DeezNutz
11-16-2011, 09:16 PM
Picking him up in FF?

The Iron Chief
11-16-2011, 09:16 PM
I cant stop thinking how the mood will change in here once Palko goes 25/30 325 yrds, 4 TDs no ints no sacks and rushes for another 35.

... or Not...

BigMeatballDave
11-16-2011, 09:16 PM
Butthurt.

Haley's not an Iowa fan.

Brianfo
11-16-2011, 09:17 PM
Ghey!

rtmike
11-16-2011, 09:17 PM
Before Baldwin got his ass kicked he was making some outrageous catches in preseason.

When he got better they left him inactive a couple times.

For whatever reason this coaching staff is hesitant with this recent draft class.

Bane
11-16-2011, 09:18 PM
I think Stanzi will see some playing time fairly soon.Palko is next in line so he gets the start.Makes sense to me.

Three7s
11-16-2011, 09:18 PM
Pitt>Iowa /Haley

hometeam
11-16-2011, 09:20 PM
Look how long they stunk.. i mean stuck.. with Cassel. They are obviously drunk, since the first thing to go is your decision making ability.

Fritz88
11-16-2011, 09:21 PM
P in the alphabet comes before S, hence Palko is first. Also, S stands for sex and P stands for Penis.

Marcellus
11-16-2011, 09:26 PM
Something tells me they don't think he is ready. If Haley really is coaching for his job as some say, he either wants to get fired or thinks Stanzi needs more time.

We don't see what goes on in practice or behind the closed doors of 1 Arrowhead Drive.

At this point you can't say it's because of contract or favoritism because both Palko and Stanzi were brought in under Pioli/Hali and neither make shit.

If they thought he gave them a better chance to win they would play him. For some reason they don't believe that. Stupidity? Maybe. Give it a week or 2 and see what happens with Palko.

Lots of people pined for Croyle until the SD game last year.

Brock
11-16-2011, 09:27 PM
This team probably wouldn't know a good QB if they fell ass backwards into it.

TheGuardian
11-16-2011, 09:33 PM
Something tells me they don't think he is ready. If Haley really is coaching for his job as some say, he either wants to get fired or thinks Stanzi needs more time.

We don't see what goes on in practice or behind the closed doors of 1 Arrowhead Drive.

At this point you can't say it's because of contract or favoritism because both Palko and Stanzi were brought in under Pioli/Hali and neither make shit.

If they thought he gave them a better chance to win they would play him. For some reason they don't believe that. Stupidity? Maybe. Give it a week or 2 and see what happens with Palko.

Lots of people pined for Croyle until the SD game last year.

Ohhhh yes the idiots that pined for Croyle............

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2011, 09:35 PM
What makes you think these dumbasses know how to evaluate players properly? FFS, they once inactivated our best player for Dantrell Savage.*

*FTR, this post should not be construed as an endorsement of Stanzi, who I believe is Craig Krenzel.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Ohhhh yes the idiots that pined for Croyle............

...

I think Cassel's lack of ability is going to cost us a handful of games.

I personally think Croyle would be the better option at this point.

TheGuardian
11-16-2011, 09:39 PM
...

At what point in the season did I post that?

Thanks for playing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2011, 09:41 PM
At what point in the season did I post that?

Thanks for playing.

Early in 2010. Thus, making you one of the "idiots" who pined for Croyle.

Baconeater
11-16-2011, 09:42 PM
LMAO

pr_capone
11-16-2011, 09:44 PM
Ohhhh yes the idiots that pined for Croyle............

To this day I would start Croyle over Kasl.

You know why? Because Casshole is a big fat phony.

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Marcellus
11-16-2011, 09:45 PM
To this day I would start Croyle over Kasl.

You know why? Because Casshole is a big fat phony.

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Croyle is a little skinny broke dick phony.

The Iron Chief
11-16-2011, 09:54 PM
You know the only thing I think of when I think of Croyle anymore is the pictures of his wife in the threads.

Oh yeah and he broke his dick in every game hes ever played.

Pawnmower
11-16-2011, 09:55 PM
This couldn't go in one of the other 20 Stanzi threads?












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no, it was urgent

SNR
11-16-2011, 09:57 PM
Josh Looney said something unbelievably tardtastic in this article. The scary thing is he's one of the best sources of Chiefs news, so he may only be the messenger:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Rookie-QB-Ricky-Stanzi-readies-for-new-role/57656cfd-21bb-4d22-866b-b7abf887f19c

For now, there is no debate whether or not Stanzi should be the starting quarterback. That job belongs to Palko.

Palko earned the job in training camp and climbed an often times conscienceless mountain of practice squads and pink slips to gain this opportunity. Throwing Stanzi to the wolves in a Monday night road game would be conscienceless as well.

I think Ricky is doing a terrific job, hes getting better, hes making progress, Haley said. But I think Tyler is clearly the next in line.

He seems to almost be saying that Palko has the backup job because it's his turn. He uses the word "conscienceless"

BossChief
11-16-2011, 09:58 PM
I would still start Croyle over Cassel too, you know why?

We would at least be able to move on once he got hurt.

With Cassel, that tough SOB KEEPS GETTING UP

TILL NOW


BWAHAHAHAHAHA

(I still think its funny that I changed my sig and woke up the next morning with confirmation that Cassel was indeed out for what looks like the remainder of the year.

Marcellus
11-16-2011, 09:58 PM
I would rather see Stanzi than Palko but right now 1 game back they aren't going to give into a "lets see what the kid has" mentality.

2 or 3 losses and yea, it could/should happen.

He went in the 5th for a reason, the other starting rookies are all high draft picks. Dalton was high 2nd rounder and I am sure they didn't expect to be where they are now.

BossChief
11-16-2011, 10:00 PM
Josh Looney said something unbelievably tardtastic in this article. The scary thing is he's one of the best sources of Chiefs news, so he may only be the messenger:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Rookie-QB-Ricky-Stanzi-readies-for-new-role/57656cfd-21bb-4d22-866b-b7abf887f19c



He seems to almost be saying that Palko has the backup job because it's his turn. He uses the word "conscienceless"

Thats what I thought when I read that earlier, too.

Marcellus
11-16-2011, 10:01 PM
Josh Looney said something unbelievably tardtastic in this article. The scary thing is he's one of the best sources of Chiefs news, so he may only be the messenger:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Rookie-QB-Ricky-Stanzi-readies-for-new-role/57656cfd-21bb-4d22-866b-b7abf887f19c



He seems to almost be saying that Palko has the backup job because it's his turn. He uses the word "conscienceless"

I think what he is trying to say is Palko has worked to earn it and throwing Stanzi to the wolves would be dumb as shit at this point. He hasn't put in the work yet.

That's what I get from it. It may be wrong but the logic isn't completely flawed.

Chiefnj2
11-16-2011, 10:02 PM
NFL coaches are conservative and terrified of criticism.

Look at Atlanta. Smith goes for it on 4th and inches and gets crucified for it in the media.

You have an abbreviated season where Palko knows the system from last year. Haley made up his mind from preseason that Palko would be the #2. There was no competition. Palko got to run with the first string in game 3 and played almost all of game 4. Stanzi didn't touch the ball in game 4. He had no opportunity in game time to win the job.

Haley is taking the safe conservative approach.

SNR
11-16-2011, 10:03 PM
Also, conscienceless? That's a rather constipated word. If I were a journalist I would try to find some other way around it to convey the same meaning.

BossChief
11-16-2011, 10:04 PM
Pitt>Iowa /Haley

ding ding ding

aturnis
11-16-2011, 10:27 PM
Well, Pioli and Haley are fans of sticking with what has worked in the past. I'm sure Pioli credits the reason Tom Brady was successful from the get go was that he was ready for it. Period. As has been pointed out, Brady was also inactive forever. He was the 4th string QB(the coaches were obviously blind and retarded) but eventually he worked passed that and EARNED the #2 spot. Whereas here in KC, Jamaal Charles was backup to Thomas Jones, Baldwin is behind Breaston, Moeaki was behind Pope, DJ was behind Williams. Last year TJ was behind Shaun Smith, this year he's a top 3-4 DE,, Hudson behind Wegs, Gaither behind Richardson. This team makes a guy earn what's coming to him, even his Arrowhead. They are not into making changes for change's sake.

Stanzi wasn't ready to start, he had the playbook for less than 2 weeks before the 1st preseason game. Still looked good, despite no protection.

On top of all of that, at this point, Stanzi has been concentrating solely on becoming a better QB, and running scout team. He hasn't even prepared to be a backup yet. He hasn't been asked to get ready for a game with a game plan yet and "be ready". Again, Haley is a "steps" guy. Just listen to his presser's he references this constantly(it's a step in the right direction, a good step forward, more, but I can't rememeber). This is the next "step" for Stanzi, preparing for a team and learning a gameplan as a backup. A lot less pressure. Let him do that once or a few times. Then, if it happens, I'm sure he'll prepare all week, worry free thinking he'll be the backup, then find out late in the week he'll be the starter. Again, if that happens. Ramping him up. Just like Haley's preseason plan.(Which some of you might still be butthurt about. It happened how it happened. No biggy. I was a fan and still am. I like that Haley is willing to take risks sometimes. If it worked he's a genius, if not, then the worst thing that happens is a slow start. Lots of teams had that without our preseason plan, every year.)

Okie_Apparition
11-16-2011, 10:53 PM
Stanzi needs to be sprinkled in, like your wife sprinkled in the salt peter. A little bit stronger dose as time goes by. How they do that IDK

crossbow
11-16-2011, 10:54 PM
Would you trust Barry Richardson to protect your rookie QB? So why get him broken for nothing.

rico
11-16-2011, 11:13 PM
I like the idea of having a rookie or project QB running the scout team for an appropriate duration of time. If anything, it could potentially diversify their skill set.

Okie_Apparition
11-16-2011, 11:17 PM
They both got to throw to Baldwin while he was on the mend. That should give them some level of game time comfort

Tylerthigpen!1!
11-16-2011, 11:17 PM
Remember most of yall wanted Battle cut because of his preseason play?

rico
11-16-2011, 11:23 PM
Would you trust Barry Richardson to protect your rookie QB? So why get him broken for nothing.

Watching Barry Richardson "block" drives me nuts. He is so slow. To me, he looks like someone trying to push a refridgerator into a U Haul..... unfortunately for him (and us), NFL caliber defenders move at a much faster pace than refridgerators.

beach tribe
11-17-2011, 06:36 AM
God there is so much stupid in this thread, I can't even process it.
I'm glad they are not going to throw him in there to die on National television.
Let Palko be the sacrificial lamb.
Stanzi hasn't even been active, and you guys want him to face Tom Brady (who was inactive all but one game his rookie season) on monday night, when Barry Richardson is playing like the worst T in football.

beach tribe
11-17-2011, 06:39 AM
Well, Pioli and Haley are fans of sticking with what has worked in the past. I'm sure Pioli credits the reason Tom Brady was successful from the get go was that he was ready for it. Period. As has been pointed out, Brady was also inactive forever. He was the 4th string QB(the coaches were obviously blind and retarded) but eventually he worked passed that and EARNED the #2 spot. Whereas here in KC, Jamaal Charles was backup to Thomas Jones, Baldwin is behind Breaston, Moeaki was behind Pope, DJ was behind Williams. Last year TJ was behind Shaun Smith, this year he's a top 3-4 DE,, Hudson behind Wegs, Gaither behind Richardson. This team makes a guy earn what's coming to him, even his Arrowhead. They are not into making changes for change's sake.

Stanzi wasn't ready to start, he had the playbook for less than 2 weeks before the 1st preseason game. Still looked good, despite no protection.

On top of all of that, at this point, Stanzi has been concentrating solely on becoming a better QB, and running scout team. He hasn't even prepared to be a backup yet. He hasn't been asked to get ready for a game with a game plan yet and "be ready". Again, Haley is a "steps" guy. Just listen to his presser's he references this constantly(it's a step in the right direction, a good step forward, more, but I can't rememeber). This is the next "step" for Stanzi, preparing for a team and learning a gameplan as a backup. A lot less pressure. Let him do that once or a few times. Then, if it happens, I'm sure he'll prepare all week, worry free thinking he'll be the backup, then find out late in the week he'll be the starter. Again, if that happens. Ramping him up. Just like Haley's preseason plan.(Which some of you might still be butthurt about. It happened how it happened. No biggy. I was a fan and still am. I like that Haley is willing to take risks sometimes. If it worked he's a genius, if not, then the worst thing that happens is a slow start. Lots of teams had that without our preseason plan, every year.)

Screw that. let's throw him in there and ruin his ass.

milkman
11-17-2011, 06:41 AM
God there is so much stupid in this thread, I can't even process it.
I'm glad they are not going to throw him in there to die on National television.
Let Palko be the sacrificial lamb.
Stanzi hasn't even been active, and you guys want him to face Tom Brady (who was inactive all but one game his rookie season) on monday night, when Barry Richardson is playing like the worst T in football.

At this point, I can't really say I care who plays.

However, whoever plays QB will not be facing Tom Brady.

He'll be facing the New England defense.

beach tribe
11-17-2011, 06:45 AM
At this point, I can't really say I care who plays.

However, whoever plays QB will not be facing Tom Brady.

He'll be facing the New England defense.

You should have added this MM:p

beach tribe
11-17-2011, 06:48 AM
All I'm saying is, Stanzi has a chance to be a damn good QB. I could give two fucking shits what he's prepared to do during this toilet bowl season.

bevischief
11-17-2011, 07:02 AM
At this point, I can't really say I care who plays.

However, whoever plays QB will not be facing Tom Brady.

He'll be facing the New England defense.

They have only shown up for 4 games this year, the rest Brady carried the team.

bevischief
11-17-2011, 07:03 AM
Lack of a off season is why he is the 3rd string.

BoneKrusher
11-17-2011, 07:04 AM
Would you trust Barry Richardson to protect your rookie QB? So why get him broken for nothing.


Palko wont last till the end of the first quarter on Monday Night.
Mark Anderson and Andre Carter will put Stanzi in the game.

DaKCMan AP
11-17-2011, 07:29 AM
It all has to do with Tebow's Foreskin Moccasin's going AWOL.

Dave Lane
11-17-2011, 08:07 AM
Remember most of yall wanted Battle cut because of his preseason play?

Still do. I'd rather have Richardson carry the rock, no one ever makes contact with him so he might go all the way!!

go bowe
11-17-2011, 11:55 AM
Still do. I'd rather have Richardson carry the rock, no one ever makes contact with him so he might go all the way!!

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

PhillyChiefFan
11-17-2011, 12:05 PM
Guys, chill...

We're saving Stanzi for the Packers...they'll never see it coming...

DaWolf
11-17-2011, 12:48 PM
You really want to put in a rookie QB with our OL against that schedule?

Coogs
11-17-2011, 12:51 PM
You really want to put in a rookie QB with our OL against that schedule?

Yes... but I am not convinced our O-line is quite as bad as some make it out to be.

Detoxing
11-17-2011, 12:55 PM
You really want to put in a rookie QB with our OL against that schedule?

Honestly, hell yeah I would.

If he can put up Dalton like numbers....or hell, even Ponder like numbers, he'd be more productive than Cassel and would actually give us hope that he can be a solid QB.

FAX
11-17-2011, 12:56 PM
Yes... but I am not convinced our O-line is quite as bad as some make it out to be.

It's been bad, but I'm with you, Mr. Coogs. I'm not sure it couldn't be better with a quarterback with a quicker release and a tad more mobility when you need it.

Since he's a lefty, I'd like to see Haley/Muir/Zorn throw some bootlegs and rollouts in this game. I think it would help the line ... particularly Richardson ... a lot. Also, I'd be targeting the bejeesus out of Breaston.

FAX

talastan
11-17-2011, 01:00 PM
It's been bad, but I'm with you, Mr. Coogs. I'm not sure it couldn't be better with a quarterback with a quicker release and a tad more mobility when you need it.

Since he's a lefty, I'd like to see Haley/Muir/Zorn throw some bootlegs and rollouts in this game. I think it would help the line ... particularly Richardson ... a lot. Also, I'd be targeting the bejeesus out of Breaston.

FAX

This, the guy has the surest hands on the team right now.

SNR
11-17-2011, 01:05 PM
You really want to put in a rookie QB with our OL against that schedule?Did you watch Stanzi in the first two preseason games? The 3rd string line he had blocking for him was the worst I've ever seen in any pro football game-- preseason or otherwise. And I do mean THE worst I've ever seen.

He got sacked a bunch (as any QB would) but he never had it picked, and more than half the time he was able to evade pressure efficiently better than any Chiefs QB since Gannon.

So to answer your question, I'd prefer Stanzi take snaps against that murderous schedule than any other QB we have on our roster.

BossChief
11-17-2011, 01:47 PM
Did you watch Stanzi in the first two preseason games? The 3rd string line he had blocking for him was the worst I've ever seen in any pro football game-- preseason or otherwise. And I do mean THE worst I've ever seen.

He got sacked a bunch (as any QB would) but he never had it picked, and more than half the time he was able to evade pressure efficiently better than any Chiefs QB since Gannon.

So to answer your question, I'd prefer Stanzi take snaps against that murderous schedule than any other QB we have on our roster.
100% absolutely THIS.

There can be no better teacher than a players own mistakes.

Best case scenario would be for him to go out and throw a bunch of touchdowns, but also a bunch of picks. Make a bunch of ROOKIE MISTAKES in his rookie year, not in his second year.

That would give Zorn and company a lot of material to break down on him and what they need to do to put him in a better position to succeed/improve.

There is only so much you can learn from not being in games.

KILLER_CLOWN
11-17-2011, 01:57 PM
One of the guys that works for me is an Iowa grad, everytime i bring up his name he cringes and tells me he sucks and will never amount to anything. I can attribute that to the fact that he hates the Chiefs and is a Giants fan, but that's his school so what gives? Do we have any other Hawkeyes here?

SNR
11-17-2011, 02:03 PM
100% absolutely THIS.

There can be no better teacher than a players own mistakes.

Best case scenario would be for him to go out and throw a bunch of touchdowns, but also a bunch of picks. Make a bunch of ROOKIE MISTAKES in his rookie year, not in his second year.

That would give Zorn and company a lot of material to break down on him and what they need to do to put him in a better position to succeed/improve.

There is only so much you can learn from not being in games.That's assuming the coaching staff lets him take the reins next year after he makes all those rookie mistakes. I'm not sure that would happen.

DaWolf
11-17-2011, 02:03 PM
Fair enough, I agree with the idea of playing him sometime this year, but I'm not sure I'd throw him right in. When you have a bad team, I am a believer in bringing the rookie QB along a bit slower than just tossing him out there, unless he is a first rounder like Newton. We don't have good pass protection, which will be a bigger issue with a guy who the game has not slowed down for yet, and who will be seeing game planned NFL defenses for the first time. We also don't have a great defense or an elite running game to hang our hat on, So I think if you throw him out there, you just end up with what happened to Clausen last year.

But before the end of the year, I would like to see him get a few starts, and maybe sooner if it becomes painfully evident that Palko doesn't add anything to the mix...

Coogs
11-17-2011, 02:12 PM
It's been bad, but I'm with you, Mr. Coogs. I'm not sure it couldn't be better with a quarterback with a quicker release and a tad more mobility when you need it.

Since he's a lefty, I'd like to see Haley/Muir/Zorn throw some bootlegs and rollouts in this game. I think it would help the line ... particularly Richardson ... a lot. Also, I'd be targeting the bejeesus out of Breaston.

FAX

I was actually talking about Stanzi. IIRC, he is right handed... but as far as the rest of it, we are on the same page.

keg in kc
11-17-2011, 02:15 PM
He might suck. He also might be a 5th round draft pick just over halfway through his first year as a professional.

Rausch
11-17-2011, 02:18 PM
There is only so much you can learn from not being in games.

And that is nothing...

whoman69
11-17-2011, 02:22 PM
One of the guys that works for me is an Iowa grad, everytime i bring up his name he cringes and tells me he sucks and will never amount to anything. I can attribute that to the fact that he hates the Chiefs and is a Giants fan, but that's his school so what gives? Do we have any other Hawkeyes here?

I'm an Iowa grad. Anyone from there who says Stanzi stinks is butthurt from his senior year when everyone thought they would contend for the national title after winning the Orange Bowl the year before and brought back most of their talent. The problem was the team lost several games late due to a variety of issues. Stanzi was actually much better in his senior year cutting down on his interceptions and increasing his completion percentage. The DC was ill most of the year and the defense gave away several games when they could not make adjustments. This was a team which could not switch away from its base defense in nickle and dime situations. We all know linebackers cannot cover wide receivers. Ferentz also became more conservative in the fourth quarter.

FAX
11-17-2011, 02:42 PM
I was actually talking about Stanzi. IIRC, he is right handed... but as far as the rest of it, we are on the same page.

Sorry. I get confused easily, Mr. Coogs.

FAX

Chocolate Hog
11-17-2011, 02:42 PM
That's assuming the coaching staff lets him take the reins next year after he makes all those rookie mistakes. I'm not sure that would happen.

Theres going to be a different coaching staff next year.

BossChief
11-17-2011, 02:44 PM
Theres going to be a different coaching staff next year.

I doubt it.

Chocolate Hog
11-17-2011, 03:00 PM
I doubt it.

Based on what?

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2011, 03:35 PM
Guys, chill...

We're saving Stanzi for the Packers...they'll never see it coming...

that would be teh aewsome, I'm going to that game with my uncle and his family they are Packer fans

KILLER_CLOWN
11-17-2011, 03:43 PM
I'm an Iowa grad. Anyone from there who says Stanzi stinks is butthurt from his senior year when everyone thought they would contend for the national title after winning the Orange Bowl the year before and brought back most of their talent. The problem was the team lost several games late due to a variety of issues. Stanzi was actually much better in his senior year cutting down on his interceptions and increasing his completion percentage. The DC was ill most of the year and the defense gave away several games when they could not make adjustments. This was a team which could not switch away from its base defense in nickle and dime situations. We all know linebackers cannot cover wide receivers. Ferentz also became more conservative in the fourth quarter.

I appreciate the insight, I really would like to see Stanzi start.