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Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:08 PM
It's the end of the third quarter. We're down 10-7 and desperately need a drive.

We run Battle to the right side. When he hits the turf there is 30 seconds left in the quarter. Thirty seconds. That is an eternity in the NFL.

What do we do?

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We half-heartedly mill around and wait for the next play like the quarter just started. Haley appears to simply concede the last 30 seconds, in fact you can see him saying "that's the quarter."

Zero situational awareness. Zero effort to try and get another snap off before the quarter ends. Zero interest in picking up the pace.

A well-coached team does not respond to that situation in that manner. I've seen good teams - the Patriots, the Colts, etc, etc, in this situation and they pick up the pace and get in another snap before the quarter ends. Not the Chiefs. They act like they don't give a shit.

Maybe I'm fucking crazy but that pisses me off.

Chiefnj2
11-16-2011, 09:11 PM
I don't see the big deal with 15 minutes left, a 3 point differential and possession of the ball.

BigMeatballDave
11-16-2011, 09:11 PM
I blame any and all deficiencies on Matt Cassel until proven otherwise.

Bewbies
11-16-2011, 09:12 PM
Down 10-7 end of the 3rd? This is your proof of poor coaching? LMAO

You're a Real Housewife of Chiefsplanet.

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:12 PM
I don't see the big deal with 15 minutes left, a 3 point differential and possession of the ball.

What if you catch the Broncos unprepared on the final snap because they have to line up quickly? What if you get a big play out of it? Snapping that ball might turn out to be the play that turns the game around.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2011, 09:13 PM
They can barely get plays in on time when given a 40 second play clock - you expect them to get a play in with 30 seconds left?

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:15 PM
They can barely get plays in on time when given a 40 second play clock - you expect them to get a play in with 30 seconds left?

Sounds like a coaching issue.

Chiefs=Good
11-16-2011, 09:15 PM
Really isn't the best example..

KcMizzou
11-16-2011, 09:18 PM
They thought they'd figured out Denver's running game at that point, so there wasn't a big rush. At that point, a long time consuming scoring drive would have been great. (emphasis on the scoring)

This was just a cripple fight. Tebow hit one pass, and that was the nail in the coffin.

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:19 PM
By the way, we punted on this drive, and Tebow hit the bomb on Denver's ensuing possession.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2011, 09:19 PM
Sounds like a coaching issue.

Getting play calls in on time has been an issue for all of Haley's tenure.

But this is a poor example. You're nitpicking. Which is retarded, considering there are a ton of much better examples of piss-poor coaching you could have used.

BigMeatballDave
11-16-2011, 09:21 PM
Sounds like a coaching issue.

Or a stupid QB issue.

The plays are drawn in crayon. That's the only way Matt can understand them

ChiefsCountry
11-16-2011, 09:21 PM
This is really not a big deal.

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:24 PM
Or a stupid QB issue.

The plays are drawn in crayon. That's the only way Matt can understand them

Actually, I think Cassel is a very smart guy, and a quick thinker when the ball isn't in play. He's always run a pretty good 2-minute drill in terms of getting things organized and avoiding colossal fuckups.

That's why you see him frustrated about this playcalling thing, and frustrated by things like Baldwin running the wrong route (this happened in the third quarter on our TD drive, Baldwin ran into the same area as Breaston and Cassel got pissed). He has the aptitude to run the offense quickly and efficiently.

But apparently the coaches don't even prepare for this kind of situation. Or maybe they do, they just didn't even realize it was happening.

Either way, piss poor.

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:25 PM
This is really not a big deal.

It might not seem like a big deal, but every play in this league is huge. A game can turn on one play. In a game where we needed every snap possible, we said "meh."

I sure didn't see Denver saying "meh" to that third and 11.

ChiefsandO'sfan
11-16-2011, 09:27 PM
It might not seem like a big deal, but every play in this league is huge. A game can turn on one play. In a game where we needed every snap possible, we said "meh."

I sure didn't see Denver saying "meh" to that third and 11.

What are you gonna bitch about when Palko makes this look like a NFL O on monday night?

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 09:28 PM
What are you gonna bitch about when Palko makes this look like a NFL O on monday night?

Bill Belichick's pregame routine will be measuring Haley's feet for the clownshoes.

KcMizzou
11-16-2011, 09:28 PM
What are you gonna bitch about when Palko makes this look like a NFL O on monday night?LMAO

That'd be a fantastic surprise.

aturnis
11-16-2011, 09:29 PM
Yeah, I am totally up in arms. Grrr.

tk13
11-16-2011, 09:29 PM
A real coach would've burned all three timeouts there and maxed out 4 more plays before the end of the 3rd quarter. EFFICIENCY!

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2011, 09:31 PM
A real coach would've burned all three timeouts there and maxed out 4 more plays before the end of the 3rd quarter. EFFICIENCY!

Hell, I'm impressed we still had all 3 time outs at the end of the 3rd. We're usually good for blowing one or two for some dumbass reason.

crossbow
11-16-2011, 09:32 PM
They squandered a golden opportunity to run McCluster up the middle for a half yard gain and a chance to fumble.

Actually, I agree that the coaching and management on this team is pathetic. We have had a new offensive coordinator every season since Pioli has been the GM here. That fact alone is unacceptable. Gaily had absolutely nothing to work with and still managed to score points with it. Why was is to urgent to run him off? These clowns can't seem to get along with anybody including themselves. It really pains me to see this proud franchise become the joke of the NFL. Yes we are the Kansas City Royals of the NFL now.

ChiefsCountry
11-16-2011, 09:33 PM
It might not seem like a big deal, but every play in this league is huge. A game can turn on one play. In a game where we needed every snap possible, we said "meh."

I sure didn't see Denver saying "meh" to that third and 11.

Why run another play in that situation? It really doesn't make any sense to.

BigMeatballDave
11-16-2011, 09:33 PM
Actually, I think Cassel is a very smart guy, and a quick thinker when the ball isn't in play. He's always run a pretty good 2-minute drill in terms of getting things organized and avoiding colossal fuckups.

That's why you see him frustrated about this playcalling thing, and frustrated by things like Baldwin running the wrong route (this happened in the third quarter on our TD drive, Baldwin ran into the same area as Breaston and Cassel got pissed). He has the aptitude to run the offense quickly and efficiently.

But apparently the coaches don't even prepare for this kind of situation. Or maybe they do, they just didn't even realize it was happening.

Either way, piss poor.

That post was in jest.

I loathe our QB

rtmike
11-16-2011, 09:43 PM
The defense needed as much rest as possible after getting the ball ran down their throats.

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Anyone see Haley standing beside Crennel talking to him & RC just totally blew him off like he wasn't even there?

Chief Roundup
11-16-2011, 09:54 PM
They can barely get plays in on time when given a 40 second play clock - you expect them to get a play in with 30 seconds left?

Well that is what you get when the playcalling has to go from Muir to Haley and to Zorn and then to the QB. This is one of the reasons that so many Head Coaches call the plays.

Okie_Apparition
11-16-2011, 09:56 PM
Muir rapes Dex in the shower

aturnis
11-16-2011, 10:00 PM
Actually, I think Cassel is a very smart guy, and a quick thinker when the ball isn't in play. He's always run a pretty good 2-minute drill in terms of getting things organized and avoiding colossal ****ups.

That's why you see him frustrated about this playcalling thing, and frustrated by things like Baldwin running the wrong route (this happened in the third quarter on our TD drive, Baldwin ran into the same area as Breaston and Cassel got pissed). He has the aptitude to run the offense quickly and efficiently.

But apparently the coaches don't even prepare for this kind of situation. Or maybe they do, they just didn't even realize it was happening.

Either way, piss poor.

Prepare for what situation? It was the end of the 3rd quarter.

Okie_Apparition
11-16-2011, 10:05 PM
Tebow will have a press confrence, dressed in black. Telling us he's not a witch

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 10:05 PM
Prepare for what situation? It was the end of the 3rd quarter.

The situation that Brady and Manning have prepared for and taken advantage of in the past.

aturnis
11-16-2011, 10:12 PM
yeah....

RippedmyFlesh
11-16-2011, 10:20 PM
Why run another play in that situation? It really doesn't make any sense to.

Plus you give your defense a little longer rest.

RippedmyFlesh
11-16-2011, 10:26 PM
I've seen good teams - the Patriots, the Colts, etc, etc, in this situation and they pick up the pace and get in another snap before the quarter ends. Not the Chiefs. They act like they don't give a shit.

Maybe I'm fucking crazy but that pisses me off.

And if Haley had Brady or Manning or Warner in his day you would have seen the sense of urgency you wanted to see.

jd1020
11-16-2011, 10:28 PM
You would have made a better argument for why they were running Battle to the outside.

SNR
11-16-2011, 10:32 PM
Rex Ryan's pregame routine will be measuring Haley's feet for the clownshoes.FYP

Iconic
11-16-2011, 10:33 PM
In every single game listed below we had a reasonable amount of time (contrasted with field position, though the Denver game might be a reach) to get points on the board before the half. Three of which we lost. And the other in which the score was close enough to be considered a threat during halftime (OAK 0 @ KC 14)

KC 17 @ SD 20
We run two pass plays in 28 seconds and one of them is a screen to the smurf.
KC 28 @ OAK 0
55 seconds on the clock. Two run plays and then two pass plays which are good for 28 yards.
MIA 31 @ KC 3
Scoreboard says 14-3 and we have 3:03 minutes before the half. Matt's 2/3 on this drive for 48 yards. Scrambles for 7 and takes a sack. Three running plays for 15 yards. Note: We had all 3 time outs and the two minute warning.
DEN 17 @ KC 10
18 seconds on the clock... We run to the right side with Battle.

More than half our games we've been in this situation... We haven't scored points even once.:doh!:

Count Zarth
11-16-2011, 10:33 PM
Iconic drops a truth bomb.

Okie_Apparition
11-16-2011, 10:35 PM
Maybe Rex will stop in after Denver. Give Thomas Jones a foot message & returns to his NY form. & he rips the Pats a new one

beach tribe
11-17-2011, 05:21 AM
Good lord this thread is dumb.
Every team does this, every week.
I can't wait till we pull an upset so you can make Haley into Moses again.

beach tribe
11-17-2011, 05:28 AM
In every single game listed below we had a reasonable amount of time (contrasted with field position, though the Denver game might be a reach) to get points on the board before the half. Three of which we lost. And the other in which the score was close enough to be considered a threat during halftime (OAK 0 @ KC 14)

KC 17 @ SD 20
We run two pass plays in 28 seconds and one of them is a screen to the smurf.
KC 28 @ OAK 0
55 seconds on the clock. Two run plays and then two pass plays which are good for 28 yards.
MIA 31 @ KC 3
Scoreboard says 14-3 and we have 3:03 minutes before the half. Matt's 2/3 on this drive for 48 yards. Scrambles for 7 and takes a sack. Three running plays for 15 yards. Note: We had all 3 time outs and the two minute warning.
DEN 17 @ KC 10
18 seconds on the clock... We run to the right side with Battle.

More than half our games we've been in this situation... We haven't scored points even once.:doh!:

So we didn't score in 18 seconds, and we didn't score in 28 seconds?
These are real shocking observations.
The stats you give for the Oak game tell absolutely nothing.
the MIA situation is the only one that even makes sense to post.

Count Zarth
11-17-2011, 06:00 AM
It's not that we didn't score.

It's that we didn't even try.

Marcellus
11-17-2011, 06:13 AM
It's not that we didn't score.

It's that we didn't even try.

It was the end of the 3rd quarter, what part of that does your mind not register?The defense has been on the field the whole damn game.

Running a play before the end of the 3rd was a huge need?

Lets call a spade a spade, you are bitching just to bitch or like many believe here, you really don't know shit about football except making videos and looking up stats.

Amnorix
11-17-2011, 06:24 AM
Maybe I'm fucking crazy but that pisses me off.

Seriously, yes, that's fucking crazy. You're down three with the ball. You've got a quarter to go. What's the big deal?

Compare to the Eagles at the end of the Super Bowl against the Patriots. WTF was that? They even repeated that mistake recently. I like Andy Reid, but I dunno what that is, and IMHO it's a fire-able offense to be doing what the Eagles did in those situations.

This? This is nothing.

Amnorix
11-17-2011, 06:28 AM
The situation that Brady and Manning have prepared for and taken advantage of in the past.


Maybe it's happened, but I'm struggling a bit with remembering any "let's rush to get this play off before the 3rd quarter ends" situations for the Patriots if they were down by one score.

THIRD quarter. Not halftime. Not end of game. THIRD QUARTER. This isn't basketball, where you try to get ANY shot off before end of quarter because it might go in. If the third quarter ends you go back out there in the same situation as when you left.

Amnorix
11-17-2011, 06:29 AM
It's not that we didn't score.

It's that we didn't even try.


Usually reserved for DC, but seriously...


http://twitpare.com/media/uploaded/e026c2846d5a11deb2ad404043b14e6c/bunny-pancake.jpg

TheGuardian
11-17-2011, 06:38 AM
Down 10-7 we should have been doing what, running a hurry up offense late in the third as to not waste any precious time to make up those 3 points?

Dude, when you start flailing about you really go nuclear about it. Shut the fuck up for a while.

Dave Lane
11-17-2011, 06:57 AM
You know you really don't help your cause with stuff like this. Its like being to desperate with women, the opposite result usually happens.

King_Chief_Fan
11-17-2011, 07:02 AM
It's the end of the third quarter. We're down 10-7 and desperately need a drive.

We run Battle to the right side. When he hits the turf there is 30 seconds left in the quarter. Thirty seconds. That is an eternity in the NFL.

What do we do?

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We half-heartedly mill around and wait for the next play like the quarter just started. Haley appears to simply concede the last 30 seconds, in fact you can see him saying "that's the quarter."

Zero situational awareness. Zero effort to try and get another snap off before the quarter ends. Zero interest in picking up the pace.

A well-coached team does not respond to that situation in that manner. I've seen good teams - the Patriots, the Colts, etc, etc, in this situation and they pick up the pace and get in another snap before the quarter ends. Not the Chiefs. They act like they don't give a shit.

Maybe I'm ****ing crazy but that pisses me off.

I think you are effin stupid. What team worries about a quarter ending unless it is 2nd or 4th in these situations?

Keep reaching....try again

Kyle DeLexus
11-21-2011, 07:22 PM
And some poor coaching by Belichick there. Down by 3 and 20 seconds left in the 1st when the runner hits the turf and they just let the clock run down and go to the 2nd!

Count Zarth
11-21-2011, 07:34 PM
And some poor coaching by Belichick there. Down by 3 and 20 seconds left in the 1st when the runner hits the turf and they just let the clock run down and go to the 2nd!

20 seconds =/ 30 seconds