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Deberg_1990
11-21-2011, 08:52 AM
heh, here is what Peter King wrote about him today.....Good lord, hes was 4th string on a UFL team. :facepalm:





Tyler Palko. "Anyone who has ever accomplished anything great has had to overcome some obstacles,'' Palko, the Kansas City quarterback, said the other day on the verge of his first start in the NFL. How about his first two starts, if all goes well tonight in Foxboro: at Bill Belichick's team in game one on "Monday Night Football'' on ESPN, home against the Pittsburgh on "Football Night in America'' on NBC the following Sunday. Quite a ride for Palko.

He was the Pitt quarterback who won the starting job in 2004, forcing Joe Flacco to transfer to Delaware. The rest is, sort of, history. Palko faded under Dave Wannstedt at Pitt and went undrafted. Flacco ascended at Delaware and was a first-round pick of the Ravens in 2008. My favorite year on the Palko resume: 2009. Cut by the Cardinals in training camp, he went to camp in the United Football League with Denny Green's California Redwoods. But he lost the job to Shane Boyd, and Mike McMahon (the clean-shaven former Lion) and someone named Liam O'Hagan also played quarterback for the 'Woods in 2009. But not Palko. "The way I was raised,'' said Palko, "you're not too good to be brought down to earth or to be fired. I don't really look at it as a low point in my career.''

He's a braver man than I, not being able to earn one of three quarterback jobs with a United Football League team. Then it was up to Montreal, to the Canadian Football League Alouettes practice squad. Though he was eventually activated, he never threw a pass for the Alouettes either. When the Steelers had two quarterback injuries late in the season, Palko signed as a backup there. In the span of three months, he was in camp with four teams -- Cardinals, Redwoods, Alouettes, Steelers -- in three leagues ... and never threw a pass. Now, because Matt Cassel is hurt and rookie Ricky Stanzi isn't ready, Palko starts against the Patriots on national TV. Nobody, except Palko, is expecting much. But it's a heck of a story.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/21/Week11/index.html#ixzz1eLriwiIG

Dayze
11-21-2011, 08:52 AM
nope.

KC Tattoo
11-21-2011, 08:55 AM
He maybe the southpaw version of Cassel. That's my biggest fear of him playing.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 08:55 AM
No, not with this OL...

I wish the kid luck...

beach tribe
11-21-2011, 08:55 AM
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh90/bbeal29/dave.gif

Fat Elvis
11-21-2011, 08:57 AM
I think Hoody sometimes just pulls random guys off the street knowing that if he puts a Pats uniform on them he can trade them to Pioli for draft picks.

Chiefnj2
11-21-2011, 08:58 AM
I'm thinking 12 pass attempts. 8 of the 12 screens or dump offs. 1 throw away. 3 INTs. A lot like Cassel the last few weeks.

the Talking Can
11-21-2011, 09:00 AM
i expect many interceptions

KC_Lee
11-21-2011, 09:00 AM
10 of 35 for 150 yards, 1 TD and 4 INT.

He will also get sacked 7 times.

And even though KC will be down 35 - 10 mid way through the 3rd quarter the coaching staff will refuse to let Stanzi get some work in.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm expecting more of the same, like NJ said. A parade of dumpoffs and checkdowns.

But it would be hilarious if they come out slinging it downfield now that Captain 3.3 is out of action.

beach tribe
11-21-2011, 09:02 AM
6-12 for 78 yards.
Bowe 66 YAC

Dartgod
11-21-2011, 09:04 AM
I expect him to give me a reason to catch up on some shows I have on the DVR by half time.

FAX
11-21-2011, 09:07 AM
I expect him to light up the scoreboard in Gillette Stadium like a savant playing pinball.

It's Palko Time, Baby!!!

FAX

Mr_Tomahawk
11-21-2011, 09:08 AM
350 yards 4tds 0ints

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 09:09 AM
I expect him to give me a reason to catch up on some shows I have on the DVR by half time.

Yeah, I made the mistake of watching Dexter live last night instead of saving it and Boardwalk Empire for tonight.

KCtotheSB
11-21-2011, 09:09 AM
In my dream world, Palko comes out of NOWHERE to not only slip by the Patriots, but lead the charge for Kansas City into a postseason extravaganza that ends in the hoisting of the Lombardi Trophy in Indianapolis.

In reality, I shit my pants and need to get home to change.

Iowanian
11-21-2011, 09:11 AM
Palko is starting against the #32 ranked pass defense in the league.

If he can't throw for 250-300 yards and a couple of TDs tonight he needs to go work at Lowe's.

Bearcat
11-21-2011, 09:12 AM
Why wouldn't we?





:spock:

BossChief
11-21-2011, 09:13 AM
Vegas thinks he will throw around 250 and around 2 tds and 1 pick last time I checked.

Id only take the over on the picks.

I expect him to prove to us that Stanzi is our only hope.

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 09:14 AM
No not really. He could. Their defense has been scored on, but the coaches will "protect" him. We'll run McNumbnuts up the middle 3 times then punt.

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 09:15 AM
I'm expecting more of the same, like NJ said. A parade of dumpoffs and checkdowns.

But it would be hilarious if they come out slinging it downfield now that Captain 3.3 is out of action.

I almost expect them to. I was at the Minnesota game and could see through the Minolta's what happened.

Cassel is a giant ****ing crybaby and Haley can't handle it.

Part of me hopes that Haley is a nutless foot-shuffling porter and that he's been babying Cassel all this time because Pioli told him to...

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 09:17 AM
Damon Huard in his first start in Denver.

BoneKrusher
11-21-2011, 09:18 AM
I'm expecting more of the same, like NJ said. A parade of dumpoffs and checkdowns.



if you're right then it looks like we need an OC asap.

oh i forgot, the Chiefs had one (Weis) and Haley ran him outta town.

blaise
11-21-2011, 09:19 AM
I wish the Chiefs could go two or three years without wondering how some crappy backup QB is going to play.

Coogs
11-21-2011, 09:20 AM
13-28 for 93 yards...

Oh! Wait!

:facepalm:

Chiefs Pantalones
11-21-2011, 09:21 AM
Not a damn thing.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:22 AM
Vegas thinks he will throw around 250 and around 2 tds and 1 pick last time I checked.

Id only take the over on the picks.

I expect him to prove to us that Stanzi is our only hope.


That basically leaves our hope hopeless...

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 09:22 AM
Damon Huard in his first start in Denver.

LMAO

Had to look it up.

17/23 for a whopping 133 yards. No TD's, no INT's.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:24 AM
I wish the Chiefs could go two or three years without wondering how some crappy backup QB is going to play.

Two or 3?

Other than Green and Montana, We have been parading backups through arrowhead as starters since I became a fan in 1988.

KCUnited
11-21-2011, 09:25 AM
An "At least use a condom" plea by our 3rd drive.

Omaha
11-21-2011, 09:25 AM
My first thought is that he's a professional QB & should be able to step up & be competitive, but, considering how the OL has been playing, I don't think it's fair to expect a lot from ANY QB.

That said, I'm almost always the most optimistic guy in the room, so I'm still hoping KC comes out & shocks everyone on MNF.

Predarat
11-21-2011, 09:26 AM
I'm expecting alot. Alot of interceptions, alot of incompletions, alot of 3 yd passes when they need 4, alot of false starts ect.

Predarat
11-21-2011, 09:27 AM
http://www.sportsstudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/replacements.jpg

Dayze
11-21-2011, 09:30 AM
the game will be over when the pats go up by 17 mid-way through the 2nd quarter.
at that point, the Chiefs will be forced to pass more than they run.

it'll be ugly by the end of the 3rd. Chiefs will be down 21+ points.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:31 AM
My first thought is that he's a professional QB & should be able to step up & be competitive, but, considering how the OL has been playing, I don't think it's fair to expect a lot from ANY QB.

That said, I'm almost always the most optimistic guy in the room, so I'm still hoping KC comes out & shocks everyone on MNF.

http://www.themightymjd.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/theshocker2.jpg

Sofa King
11-21-2011, 09:32 AM
the game will be over when the pats go up by 17 mid-way through the 2nd quarter.
at that point, the Chiefs will be forced to pass more than they run.

it'll be ugly by the end of the 3rd. Chiefs will be down 21+ points.

Wow. You are an optimistic one.

Stryker
11-21-2011, 09:32 AM
Yes, actually I am. I expect to see him running for his life. I expect to see him constantly pulling divits out of his face mask and I expect him to "take a moment" before he picks his ass up off the turf. Basically, I expect him to get killed. This will be foreshadowing for next Sunday night in Pittsburgh.

It is not a good time to be...Tyler Palko.

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 09:33 AM
My first thought is that he's a professional QB & should be able to step up & be competitive, but, considering how the OL has been playing, I don't think it's fair to expect a lot from ANY QB.

That said, I'm almost always the most optimistic guy in the room, so I'm still hoping KC comes out & shocks everyone on MNF.

The offensive line would look a whole lot better if we had a smart QB out there that knew when to get rid of the ball...

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 09:34 AM
The offensive line would look a whole lot better if we had a smart QB out there that knew when to get rid of the ball...

QFMFT.

BigMeatballDave
11-21-2011, 09:34 AM
I expect this offense to look no worse than it would if Cassel was running it.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:37 AM
The offensive line would look a whole lot better if we had a smart QB out there that knew when to get rid of the ball...

Agree to a point, but you have to admit this line is Dog shit and Palko isnt going to magically make it any better...

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 09:37 AM
I expect this offense to look no worse than it would if Cassel was running it.

.

gblowfish
11-21-2011, 09:37 AM
I expect him to bleed at some point...

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 09:38 AM
Atleast 400 yards and 6 td passes for Palko tonite

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 09:38 AM
Agree to a point, but you have to admit this line is Dog shit and Palko isnt going to magically make it any better...

This line isn't dogshit, and the weekly grades show it.

Richardson is the weak link, everyone else has been good enough.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:39 AM
I expect this offense to look no worse than it would if Cassel or Stanzi was running it.

Until we draft a legit QB, its always going to look like this.

Its past time...

Dayze
11-21-2011, 09:39 AM
Wow. You are an optimistic one.

cue the Debbie Downer pic. :D

BigMeatballDave
11-21-2011, 09:40 AM
The offensive line would look a whole lot better if we had a smart QB out there that knew when to get rid of the ball...

No way, the OL is the biggest problem. Matt Cassel is a star and his ability is hindered by this horror of an offensive line. Better QB play couldn't possibly help the issues there. We should draft all OL this draft /CP morons

Lonewolf Ed
11-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Palko is starting against the #32 ranked pass defense in the league.

If he can't throw for 250-300 yards and a couple of TDs tonight he needs to go work at Lowe's.

In a way, it's a pity that Cassel is not playing then. If he barely touched the 200 yard passing mark against the worst pass D in the league, maybe even Pioli could not ignore that. Maybe?

BoneKrusher
11-21-2011, 09:41 AM
the game will be over when the pats go up by 17

it'll be ugly by the end of the 3rd. Chiefs will be down 21+ points.

with the two TE's, Welker and Branch i expect Brady to put up 21 points per quarter.

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Damon Huard in his first start in Denver.

We don't have Gonzo dude.

In that game Huard threw basically all his balls to Gonzales. I really hope we don't just throw to TEs.

Lonewolf Ed
11-21-2011, 09:43 AM
Atleast 400 yards and 6 td passes for Palko tonite

That would happen, too... IF Palko was playing against the Chiefs. KC makes back ups look like future HOFers. :banghead:

Bearcat
11-21-2011, 09:43 AM
The offensive line would look a whole lot better if we had a smart QB out there that knew when to get rid of the ball...

Yep... I always laugh when I read how Aaron Rodgers has a great offensive line, and it's obvious that Jay Cutler has adjusted to life with a crappy offensive line.... and if Palko is able to avoid the rush and throw outside of the pocket or under pressure, people might just say our line has improved and, uh, why can't they block like that for Cassel? It's like some quarterbacks continue looking downfield after avoiding the initial rush and don't just tuck and run at the slightest sense of danger... weird. :shrug:

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:46 AM
This line isn't dogshit, and the weekly grades show it.

Richardson is the weak link, everyone else has been good enough.

I guess the fact that Denver totally owned the OL is still lingering on me a bit.

I am not impressed with them as of late. Rushing 3 or 4 and keeping in extra blockers to help. AND they still meet at the QB before he gets back on a 5 step drop was very alarming last week.

I have very little faith in them and even more with Palko or Stanzi...

I think an offseason with a Stanzi and new shiney 1st round QB would do wonders though.

But that is just me.

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 09:46 AM
That would happen, too... IF Palko was playing against the Chiefs. KC makes back ups look like future HOFers. :banghead:


Damn shame I have to work at the license plate press tonite or I would watch the game.

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 09:46 AM
No way, the OL is the biggest problem. Matt Cassel is a star and his ability is hindered by this horror of an offensive line. Better QB play couldn't possibly help the issues there. We should draft all OL this draft /CP morons

ROFL Only a TRUE CP Moron would even type something this retarded...

Lzen
11-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Yes, actually I am. I expect to see him running for his life. I expect to see him constantly pulling divits out of his face mask and I expect him to "take a moment" before he picks his ass up off the turf. Basically, I expect him to get killed. This will be foreshadowing for next Sunday night in Pittsburgh.

It is not a good time to be...Tyler Palko.

That game against Pittsburgh is in Arrowhead, smart guy.

Lzen
11-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Agree to a point, but you have to admit this line is Dog shit and Palko isnt going to magically make it any better...

What part of bringing more blitzers than blockers do you not understand? A smart QB recognizes that and calls audibles or hot routes to compensate.

beach tribe
11-21-2011, 10:08 AM
Yeah, I made the mistake of watching Dexter live last night instead of saving it and Boardwalk Empire for tonight.

So you guys are just like KnowMo, and only watch when they're good, or are ya just BS'n?

Lzen
11-21-2011, 10:10 AM
So you guys are just like KnowMo, and only watch when they're good, or are ya just BS'n?

I think what they mean is that if/when the game gets out of hand, its time to change the channel.

KC_Lee
11-21-2011, 10:11 AM
Palko is starting against the #32 ranked pass defense in the league.

While this is true I see the offensive brain trust that is Bill "Grandpa Simpson" Muir calling endless runs all night. Hell we'll try to "fool" the Pats by running DMC up the middle and Two Yard Thomas on deep pitch sweeps all night.

Count Alex's Losses
11-21-2011, 10:14 AM
We're going to attempt to exploit their corners, and we'll have success doing so, but we'll also turn the ball over, and our D will give the Pats whatever they want.

Chiefs lose, 42-28.

Fanbase laughs at Cassel.

I think Palko will be slinging it down the field, though. He and Haley have nothing to lose.

We are a dangerous fucking team the rest of the year!

Rausch
11-21-2011, 10:16 AM
While I expect nothing from Palko I expect the coaching staff to use him as you would Casshole.

Honestly, considering the defense, more.

Run the ball with Battle, use play action, and air it out.

I don't expect 30 passes but I do expect them to test a suspect defense...

Bearcat
11-21-2011, 10:16 AM
So you guys are just like KnowMo, and only watch when they're good, or are ya just BS'n?

Wait, so some people actually watch this crap?


I'll probably flip back and forth from hockey until it's out of hand... after all, I have Welker and Hernandez on my fantasy team. :p

Molitoth
11-21-2011, 10:22 AM
I expect our team to RALLY around Palko and play hard for him tonight, UNLIKE what they did for Croyle last year at San Diego. The rest of the team didn't even make the flight for that f*cking game and it was a bit unfair to Croyle.

But that just shows how Croyle did NOT earn respect from the rest of the team. I HOPE Palko has earned enough respect to get team support. If not, then we may as well switch to Stanzi quick and find out if the rest of the team will back him up.

bevischief
11-21-2011, 10:24 AM
Not much...

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 10:29 AM
What part of bringing more blitzers than blockers do you not understand? A smart QB recognizes that and calls audibles or hot routes to compensate.

And when they dont send more than 4 and you block with 5 and they still get to your QB before the end of his 5 step drop?

How do you compensate for that?

Rain Man
11-21-2011, 10:32 AM
I don't think I expect too much. I just want him to win the game, show leadership, have good stats, make those around him better, show a mix of running and passing skills, display good accuracy and range, make quick reads, not telegraph his throws, and do a good post-game interview.

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 10:33 AM
Agree to a point, but you have to admit this line is Dog shit and Palko isnt going to magically make it any better...

I'll bet he does, actually. It wouldn't take much, Cassel is THAT bad. Really.

Dartgod
11-21-2011, 10:34 AM
I think what they mean is that if/when the game gets out of hand, its time to change the channel.

So you guys are just like KnowMo, and only watch when they're good, or are ya just BS'n?
This, except I'm too stupid to avoid the pain of watching my team get demolished, so I'll end up watching every agonizing minute.

Sofa King
11-21-2011, 10:34 AM
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7900000/2x06-Afternoon-Delight-Animated-gif-Michael-What-No-no-no-no-arrested-development-7915781-300-167.gif

evenfall
11-21-2011, 10:35 AM
All we can hope for in a given week is for this team to not completely embarrass itself.

Micjones
11-21-2011, 10:39 AM
With Richardson protecting his blind side? I'm just hoping the guy comes out alive.

I will be rooting for him though. Hell of a storyline there.
To be thrust into a starting job where the team is dependent upon you playing well...against one of the conference's best teams...on national TV?
I don't envy him at all.

Rausch
11-21-2011, 10:40 AM
This, except I'm too stupid to avoid the pain of watching my team get demolished, so I'll end up watching every agonizing minute.

Ca$$#ole is out and we have ???? in at QB.

While I don't expect greatness this is the time for a guy to step up and make a name.

It's really his first chance to showcase whatever it is he's got...

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 10:42 AM
I'll bet he does, actually. It wouldn't take much, Cassel is THAT bad. Really.

Yes Cassel is that bad, Not going to discuss that. Its been discussed here to the point its pointless to even discuss...

Not one person is going to bring any ground breaking information to a Cassel discussion... Its beat to death...

But I would put a little casino cash wager on it that Palko doesnt make this OL look any better than it has the last 3 weeks.

What you say buddy?

Chiefnj2
11-21-2011, 10:46 AM
By the 4th quarter Albert will be club hopping in NYC.

Rausch
11-21-2011, 10:47 AM
By the 4th quarter Albert will be club hopping in NYC.

LMAO

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 10:47 AM
Look on the bright side, when all else fails, you can say you beat the Raiders 28-0

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 10:47 AM
I think Palko will be slinging it down the field, though. He and Haley have nothing to lose.

Yup.

KCUnited
11-21-2011, 10:49 AM
Gruden thinks Palko looks like shit.

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 10:50 AM
Yes Cassel is that bad, Not going to discuss that. Its been discussed here to the point its pointless to even discuss...

Not one person is going to bring any ground breaking information to a Cassel discussion... Its beat to death...

But I would put a little casino cash wager on it that Palko doesnt make this OL look any better than it has the last 3 weeks.

What you say buddy?

I'm not sure I have any casino cash, been here since the beginning and not even sure how you accumulate it. ROFL

Anyway, like it was said before, the line (other than Barry) grade out positively. I think Cassel himself has been credited with more sacks than anyone on the actual line, I'd have to go look.

Maybe we can make a sig bet or something but my gut tells me the line looks suddenly much improved tonight. Of course, they could look better for reasons other than either of us has stated - the Pats pass D is not very good...

lcarus
11-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Look on the bright side, when all else fails, you can say you beat the Raiders 28-0

That's a hell of a bright side.

Chiefnj2
11-21-2011, 10:52 AM
People need to put those PFF grades into perspective.

Cassel had a positive grade the first two games of the season, but nobody who actually watched the game would say he was close to being good.

No matter what the grades reflect, the OL has played like ass the last two games.

Rausch
11-21-2011, 10:53 AM
Look on the bright side, when all else fails, you can say you beat the Raiders 28-0

Not helping...

frankotank
11-21-2011, 10:56 AM
By the 4th quarter Albert will be club hopping in NYC.

Awesome! Thread winner!

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 10:59 AM
Yup.

I agree that they have nothing to lose as well.

Do you think they'll sling it?

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 11:00 AM
People need to put those PFF grades into perspective.

Cassel had a positive grade the first two games of the season, but nobody who actually watched the game would say he was close to being good.

No matter what the grades reflect, the OL has played like ass the last two games.

They've played like ass at various other times too. But overall, they've been good more often than they've been bad.

As opposed to Cassel, who is bad much, much more often than he's good.

Offensive line play has always been overrated by the Chiefs fanbase though...

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 11:01 AM
I agree that they have nothing to lose as well.

Do you think they'll sling it?

I hope so. Part of me thinks Haley's been waiting for a chance to show everybody that Matt, not Todd, is the big problem with the offense.

But the other part of me says they'll run the Wildcat with Arenas and have Palko throw 20 screen passes instead.

KC Tattoo
11-21-2011, 11:02 AM
While this is true I see the offensive brain trust that is Bill "Grandpa Simpson" Muir calling endless runs all night. Hell we'll try to "fool" the Pats by running DMC up the middle and Two Yard Thomas on deep pitch sweeps all night.

On third and 15 we will run the DMC draw.

tooge
11-21-2011, 11:03 AM
I predict lots and lots of Palko scrambles for anywhere from 3 to 15 yards. Guy will be running for his life all night. I say 12 for 26 for 105 yards, and 65 yards rushing. Chiefs get crushed by 27 points.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 11:05 AM
They've played like ass at various other times too. But overall, they've been good more often than they've been bad.

As opposed to Cassel, who is bad much, much more often than he's good.

Offensive line play has always been overrated by the Chiefs fanbase though...

Understatement.

Sadly, anytime there is pressure, fans want to immediately blame the OL - ignoring that a QB should be rid of the ball within 3 seconds, or that the defense brought more than the OL could block, and the QB missed the read.

Guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Cutler and even Romo to a degree are succeeding with OL's that are just as bad/worse than what Cassel has to deal with.

Coogs
11-21-2011, 11:07 AM
Part of me thinks Haley's been waiting for a chance to show everybody that Matt, not Todd, is the big problem with the offense.

Same here.

Count Alex's Losses
11-21-2011, 11:09 AM
Sure is nice to see htismaqe posting again.

-King-
11-21-2011, 11:09 AM
Throws a pick 6 on his first pass of the game. Gets replaced by Stanzi . Stanzi goes on to have 450 yards and 4 Tds.
Posted via Mobile Device

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 11:12 AM
Sure is nice to see htismaqe posting again.

THIS.

Rausch
11-21-2011, 11:12 AM
Offensive line play has always been overrated by the Chiefs fanbase though...

If we were use to QB's who made quick decisions, accurate passes under pressure, and had a quick release we might not have...

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 11:12 AM
I hope so. Part of me thinks Haley's been waiting for a chance to show everybody that Matt, not Todd, is the big problem with the offense.

But the other part of me says they'll run the Wildcat with Arenas and have Palko throw 20 screen passes instead.

I'm thinking screen pass and runs too. But I can hope for downfield stuff.

Rausch
11-21-2011, 11:14 AM
I'm thinking screen pass and runs too. But I can hope for downfield stuff.

His arm is B-team but even if you toss a floater to Bowe/Baldwin there's a 50/50 chance that $#it is complete.

Have the 'nads.

Honestly, Palko has nothing to lose and everything to gain...

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 11:15 AM
I'm not sure I have any casino cash, been here since the beginning and not even sure how you accumulate it. ROFL

Anyway, like it was said before, the line (other than Barry) grade out positively. I think Cassel himself has been credited with more sacks than anyone on the actual line, I'd have to go look.

Maybe we can make a sig bet or something but my gut tells me the line looks suddenly much improved tonight. Of course, they could look better for reasons other than either of us has stated - the Pats pass D is not very good...

Sig bet is okay with me...

And with Barry on the Blind side of Palko, that has to worry you guys, even if it is with the Pats...

BoneKrusher
11-21-2011, 11:17 AM
Honestly, Palko has nothing to lose and everything to gain...

i AGREE.
made a sig for good luck.
http://i39.tinypic.com/6eemn8.png

Rausch
11-21-2011, 11:19 AM
i AGREE.
made a sig for good luck.
http://i39.tinypic.com/6eemn8.png

He's got the Dennis-Eckersley-mullet-of-WIN!1!

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Here's what Football Outsider's thinks of Palko's chances - via ESPN Insider.


The Kansas City Chiefs are still alive in the race for the AFC West title -- though our numbers don't like their odds -- but after starting quarterback Matt Cassel suffered a hand injury that will probably keep him out for the rest of the season, they'll be relying on a couple of unknown quarterbacks to lead the passing attack. Tyler Palko, who went undrafted out of the University of Pittsburgh, will get the first shot at replacing Cassel.

While Cassel has hardly been a franchise signal-caller for the Chiefs, there is a palpable layer of uncertainty to delve through when discussing Palko's chances of playing well Monday night. All that the tape from his appearance in Week 10 showed was that he knows how to check down well in a two-minute drill. In fact, the only pass he completed to a non-running back was a simple cross over the middle to Steve Breaston. That doesn't mean he has no chance of playing quarterback well in the NFL -- it just means we don't have any real data that points to an educated guess on the matter.

One concrete reason to be optimistic about Palko in this game is that he's going up against a New England Patriots pass defense that has been mediocre this year. In fact, aside from last week's five-sack, two-interception outburst against the New York Jets, the Patriots have been downright miserable against the pass.

Their secondary has been ravaged with injuries, and with the releases of Brandon Meriweather and James Sanders before the season, the Patriots have been competing with castoffs like Antwaun Molden and James Ihedigbo. Even those five sacks only raised New England's adjusted sack rate to 22nd in the NFL, and they are dead last according to our numbers at defending passes to No. 1 receivers, such as, say, Dwayne Bowe in this game.

But how do first-time starters generally fair against bad defenses? We went back and found every first-time starting quarterback in the DVOA era (1993-2010) and divided them into three groups: bad, average and good.

The "bad" group faced defenses with a pass defense DVOA of 10.0 percent or higher. The average poor pass defense had a DVOA of 19.7 percent (remember, the higher a defensive DVOA number is, the worse it is). The "average" group was culled between 9.9 percent and minus-5 percent and averaged a rating of 2.7 percent. Finally, the "good" pass defense group was anything lower than minus-5.1 percent and the average DVOA was minus-15.9 percent.

After running the numbers, the boon of going up against a bad pass defense appears to be pretty unimpressive for a first-time starting quarterback. While they perform better than they do against the good and average groups, it isn't a very noticeable margin. The only significant change is in how much less often they get sacked -- a very good thing for Kansas City in this particular matchup, given Palko's noted tendency to scramble quickly under pressure.

A better way to put these results: For every out-of-nowhere great first start such as Todd Bouman's, there is an equally confounding awful start by someone such as Rusty Smith, who single-handedly kept the 2010 Texans pass defense from going down as the worst in NFL history.

Chiefs head coach Todd Haley has always seemed to favor the run anyway, and with this being Palko's first start, it would not at all be surprising to see the Chiefs try to begin the game with a string of handoffs to Jackie Battle or Dexter McCluster and try to turn the game into a field position battle. Of course, comparing that to the Patriots' offense is sort of like pitting mounted calvary against tanks.

However, eventually the Patriots will overcome the shoddy Chiefs safeties and Kansas City will be forced to play from behind. At that point, we'll finally learn just how far Palko can go in this league. If the Patriots' pass rush shows up like it did in the Jets game, look for Palko to spend most of the second half scrambling for 2-yard gains on third-and-long.

If, instead, Palko is granted time in the pocket, he could very well carve up the injury replacements that are lurking in the New England secondary. The opportunity is certainly there for him. The question will be: Can he display the necessary arm talent to make this a close game?

If he can't, it's not the end of the world for the Chiefs. Kansas City would then have an opportunity to find out what they have in former Iowa quarterback Ricky Stanzi, who they drafted in the fifth round of the 2011 draft. Cassel hasn't lived up to the enormous contract the Chiefs gave him so far, and should they come up with a lower-tier quarterback battle between Palko and Stanzi, it wouldn't be too surprising if they cut bait on Cassel and tried to develop another quarterback.

Rivers McCown is an assistant editor for Football Outsiders. You can follow him on Twitter here.

Deberg_1990
11-21-2011, 11:21 AM
How the hell did Palko beat out Flacco at Pitt?

FAX
11-21-2011, 11:22 AM
I hope so. Part of me thinks Haley's been waiting for a chance to show everybody that Matt, not Todd, is the big problem with the offense.

But the other part of me says they'll run the Wildcat with Arenas and have Palko throw 20 screen passes instead.

And the htis keep on coming.

Nice to see you back, Mr. htismaqe.

FAX

Rausch
11-21-2011, 11:24 AM
Anyone who thinks both of the Chiefs safeties are "shoddy" isn't watching all that close..

Count Alex's Losses
11-21-2011, 11:28 AM
Rivers McCown

Is this the third McCown brother? LMAO

What a football name...

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 11:44 AM
Understatement.

Sadly, anytime there is pressure, fans want to immediately blame the OL - ignoring that a QB should be rid of the ball within 3 seconds, or that the defense brought more than the OL could block, and the QB missed the read.

Guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Cutler and even Romo to a degree are succeeding with OL's that are just as bad/worse than what Cassel has to deal with.


Okay where should the ball go?


And I am not disagreeing with you at all, Its just that no matter what happens its Cassels fault...

Car has a flat on the way to work this am.. Its Cassels fault. Arrowhead stops serving beer in the 4th Qtr. Its Cassels fault...

You find out that you wife is pregnant and its Cassels fault, Well that might be kind of funny.

But you see where its going here... Yes the dude sucks. WE ALL GET THAT, but shit man, there are other people that suck on this team besides him. That is all I am saying... Richardson is a junk RT... Guy gets whipped on the Field more than Cassel gets whipped here.

But yes, we need a QB that can overcome the atrocities of our OL on a weekly basis... I dont disagree with you... Cassel isnt that guy...

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 11:54 AM
Okay where should the ball go?


And I am not disagreeing with you at all, Its just that no matter what happens its Cassels fault...

Car has a flat on the way to work this am.. Its Cassels fault. Arrowhead stops serving beer in the 4th Qtr. Its Cassels fault...

You find out that you wife is pregnant and its Cassels fault, Well that might be kind of funny.

But you see where its going here... Yes the dude sucks. WE ALL GET THAT, but shit man, there are other people that suck on this team besides him. That is all I am saying... Richardson is a junk RT... Guy gets whipped on the Field more than Cassel gets whipped here.

But yes, we need a QB that can overcome the atrocities of our OL on a weekly basis... I dont disagree with you... Cassel isnt that guy...

The OL is far from atrocious.

Coogs
11-21-2011, 11:57 AM
How the hell did Palko beat out Flacco at Pitt?

Because Cassel and Flacco seem to be one and the same. :shrug:

Okie_Apparition
11-21-2011, 12:01 PM
I expect our team to RALLY around Palko and play hard for him tonight, UNLIKE what they did for Croyle last year at San Diego. The rest of the team didn't even make the flight for that f*cking game and it was a bit unfair to Croyle.

But that just shows how Croyle did NOT earn respect from the rest of the team. I HOPE Palko has earned enough respect to get team support. If not, then we may as well switch to Stanzi quick and find out if the rest of the team will back him up.

That's not possible
The all mighty Weis makes all QBs look like probowlers

Micjones
11-21-2011, 12:03 PM
The OL is far from atrocious.

Where do you think the group ranks in the NFL?

Rausch
11-21-2011, 12:03 PM
Because Cassel and Flacco seem to be one and the same. :shrug:

:shake:

Chiefnj2
11-21-2011, 12:04 PM
The OL has struggled run blocking all year. They had some decent pass protection earlier in the year, but fell off a lot the last 2 weeks.

Coogs
11-21-2011, 12:07 PM
:shake:

That's JMO. To me Flacco seems to be much closer to Cassel and Sanchez in ability than say to Rodgers, Brees, and Newton. Again, JMO.

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 12:24 PM
If we were use to QB's who made quick decisions, accurate passes under pressure, and had a quick release we might not have...

Absolutely. That Chief fans would be obsessed with O Linemen isn't really a surprise.

We've been worshipping Willie Roaf and Will Shields while the rest of the league is enjoying 21st century football for the most part.

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 12:26 PM
The OL has struggled run blocking all year. They had some decent pass protection earlier in the year, but fell off a lot the last 2 weeks.

I think JC makes them look better than they are when it comes to run blocking.

Lzen
11-21-2011, 12:30 PM
And when they dont send more than 4 and you block with 5 and they still get to your QB before the end of his 5 step drop?

How do you compensate for that?

That is not supposed to happen. And you can blame the offensive line when it does. But we all agree that Brich sucks and needs to be replaced. Also, sometimes Cassel causes those sacks by holding the ball too long. Just sayin' that sometimes a change of QB shows how the previous QB was holding the team back.

Lzen
11-21-2011, 12:33 PM
Yes Cassel is that bad, Not going to discuss that. Its been discussed here to the point its pointless to even discuss...

Not one person is going to bring any ground breaking information to a Cassel discussion... Its beat to death...

But I would put a little casino cash wager on it that Palko doesnt make this OL look any better than it has the last 3 weeks.

What you say buddy?

You may be right. I have never seen much out of Palko to make me believe he is an NFL QB. I'm just glad they finally made a change even if it was because of injury. I'll bet he doesn't make it any worse.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 12:36 PM
Where do you think the group ranks in the NFL?

Middle of the pack, give or take a few spots.

Mr. Laz
11-21-2011, 12:36 PM
I think Palko fits right into our offensive mess.

Our gameplan and play calling is a complete mess and Palko's lack of experience and polish as a QB falls right into that mess. Cassel tries to run the play but Palko will go out there and play sandlot football.

It's going to be Thigpen ugly but if the ball bounces our way then the offense could scores some points.

Our defense probably gets raped by the Patriots tighends all night. We struggle to cover a team with a single quality tightend. I don't know the hell we are going cover a team with 2 of them.

Gronk and Hernandez put up big numbers.

Flowers on Welker, Carr on Gronkowski and hope Arenas can hang with Branch?


If we use safeties on tightends we are screwed

Chiefnj2
11-21-2011, 12:40 PM
Flowers on Welker, Carr on Gronkowski and hope Arenas can hang with Branch?




They don't play man like that. Flowers always stays on his side.

Mr. Laz
11-21-2011, 12:44 PM
They don't play man like that. Flowers always stays on his side.
well then maybe Crennel should consider doing something different. Maybe if offenses didn't know where to find our personnel on every play they wouldn't have so much success.

Bowser
11-21-2011, 12:46 PM
I expect him to drop a world class poop in his drawers tonight, not much else.

GloryDayz
11-21-2011, 12:47 PM
Who's Palko? Did you mean Shane Falco?

Sorry...actually, I hope he just doesn't get killed... But last I looked, Wilfork looked hungry, so it could be a rough night for Palko.. 6-16 for 80. I suspect he'll have as many yards on the ground as he does through the air.

Coogs
11-21-2011, 12:47 PM
Flowers on Welker, Carr on Gronkowski

What's the word on Flowers and Carr with the injury report? Saw they are both Questionable for tonight.

whoman69
11-21-2011, 12:53 PM
I expect us to mess up in different ways than we did with Cassel. That said, the Pats D has not been real good this year. They've had moments, like our D. We can't keep up with their offense.

alpha_omega
11-21-2011, 12:59 PM
I am expecting nothing...therefore....anything positive will be better than what i am expecting.

KC Tattoo
11-21-2011, 01:00 PM
Ok, how many of you GMs with a PS3 or xbox 360 have switched to Palko for QB in Madden 2012?

lewdog
11-21-2011, 01:00 PM
I just wonder if Palko will complete more passes than Tebow tonight?

Over or under 9 complete passes for Palko?

talastan
11-21-2011, 01:08 PM
I expect that after tonight's play Palko will double the population of the Stanzi bandwagon. :thumb:

kysirsoze
11-21-2011, 01:08 PM
I agree it won't be a good game, but I honestly don't expect much less than I would from Cassel in this situation. He'll probably take more risks which could result in some big plays against this defense. It could also result in a lot of picks that Cassel wouldn't have thrown. At this point I would rather watch riskier play that gives our talented WRs some kind of chance to make a play.

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 01:22 PM
I just wonder if Palko will complete more passes than Tebow tonight?

Over or under 9 complete passes for Palko?

Over. Muir (or whomever) LOVES checkdown. One would assume that Cassel would have been benched if they didn't.

Checkdowns. There will be many.

Dicky McElephant
11-21-2011, 01:26 PM
I'm not expecting much at all.

I'll be drinking a beer, chasing my kids around the house and laughing my ass off at football tonight.

DMAC
11-21-2011, 01:30 PM
I'm not expecting much at all.

I'll be drinking a beer, chasing my kids around the house and laughing my ass off at football tonight.

Yes, it should be the #1 comedy on TV tonight.

They should start every Chiefs offensive series with the Seinfeld theme.

HemiEd
11-21-2011, 01:30 PM
I almost expect them to. I was at the Minnesota game and could see through the Minolta's what happened.

Cassel is a giant ****ing crybaby and Haley can't handle it.

Part of me hopes that Haley is a nutless foot-shuffling porter and that he's been babying Cassel all this time because Pioli told him to...

Holy bigosh! Its a Parker sighting! :thumb:

beach tribe
11-21-2011, 01:37 PM
I hope so. Part of me thinks Haley's been waiting for a chance to show everybody that Matt, not Todd, is the big problem with the offense.

But the other part of me says they'll run the Wildcat with Arenas and have Palko throw 20 screen passes instead.

This is what I expect, and fear. A bunch of WR screens that NE will have planned for relentlessly.

Lzen
11-21-2011, 01:37 PM
Ok, how many of you GMs with a PS3 or xbox 360 have switched to Palko for QB in Madden 2012?

I actually played my son's friend the other day with that lineup. Berry, Charles, Moeaki and Cassel were out. It asks you to update the roster so I did and that was what came up. I still beat him playing as the Broncos 44-7.

HemiEd
11-21-2011, 01:43 PM
I'll bet he does, actually. It wouldn't take much, Cassel is THAT bad. Really.

I kind of think the team has given up on Cassel to an extent. They know he sucks ass, and keeps getting his hand held by the management. Its been going on for almost three years, and most of them have gotten better.

FAX
11-21-2011, 02:03 PM
I kind of think the team has given up on Cassel to an extent. They know he sucks ass, and keeps getting his hand held by the management. Its been going on for almost three years, and most of them have gotten better.

I think so, too.

When players are asked about Cassel in the locker room, they're saying all the right things, but if you watch closely, they always have their fingers crossed.

They know as well as we know that they know that Cassel was born of Satan. I also think that Haley knows that we know that he knows.

Apparently, Pioli is the only person in the freaking world who thinks Cassel can do the job.

FAX

Marcellus
11-21-2011, 02:06 PM
I expect a lot from Palko. A whole lot of suck.

GloryDayz
11-21-2011, 02:06 PM
I kind of think the team has given up on Cassel to an extent. They know he sucks ass, and keeps getting his hand held by the management. Its been going on for almost three years, and most of them have gotten better.

100% A+ Rep....

HemiEd
11-21-2011, 02:15 PM
I think so, too.

When players are asked about Cassel in the locker room, they're saying all the right things, but if you watch closely, they always have their fingers crossed.

They know as well as we know that they know that Cassel was born of Satan. I also think that Haley knows that we know that he knows.

Apparently, Pioli is the only person in the freaking world who thinks Cassel can do the job.

FAX

:LOL: Honestly, I think Pioli knows he sucks as well. It's a business, and he has to get his money's worth. He has to know he made a mistake, but is milking it as long as he can. When the attendance numbers dictate a change, I bet it happens.

But hey, they won the AFC West last year playing the NFC West!

Cutting Cassel after this year, is pretty painless, correct? They sure don't have to worry about cap implications.

FAX
11-21-2011, 02:16 PM
Ah ... you guys are way too negative.

Some guys aren't "practice" guys. They're "game-time" guys. Or, sometimes they're "spitters".

Now, Palko might not be a practice guy or a spitter. Instead, he might be one of those game-time dudes who just turns it up and kinda metamorphosises when the lights are on and it's show time. Just like those not-so-long-ago days at Pitt when he ran that Flacco dude off with his tail between his flaccos. Hell, Flacco moved all the way to Delaware because, when he was hot, The Palko was nuclear and every time Flacco stood near him on the sideline, his hair fell out.

Besides, it's far too early to give up. Did Abraham Lincoln give up when his wife stabbed him in the nuts? No. Did George Washington give up when he fell into the river? No. Did Benjamin Franklin give up when the lightning charred his entire skeleton into charcoal biscuits? No. They should have, but they didn't. And that's why we should wait until at least the 2nd quarter before throwing in the towel.

FAX

FAX
11-21-2011, 02:17 PM
:LOL: Honestly, I think Pioli knows he sucks as well. It's a business, and he has to get his money's worth. He has to know he made a mistake, but is milking it as long as he can. When the attendance numbers dictate a change, I bet it happens.

But hey, they won the AFC West last year playing the NFC West!

I think Mitch knows, too. You can kinda tell by the gagging sound he makes when he calls a pass play.

FAX

htismaqe
11-21-2011, 02:26 PM
:LOL: Honestly, I think Pioli knows he sucks as well. It's a business, and he has to get his money's worth. He has to know he made a mistake, but is milking it as long as he can. When the attendance numbers dictate a change, I bet it happens.

But hey, they won the AFC West last year playing the NFC West!

Cutting Cassel after this year, is pretty painless, correct? They sure don't have to worry about cap implications.

Cassel's contract is structured almost specifically so that they CAN cut him this offseason. They left themselves a GIANT "out" - they better use it.

FAX
11-21-2011, 02:27 PM
The time to cut him was before he received that 9 million dollar roster bonus. We're on the cheap side of the deal now.

FAX

BoneKrusher
11-21-2011, 02:28 PM
Cassel's contract is structured almost specifically so that they CAN cut him this offseason. They left themselves a GIANT "out" - they better use it.

:thumb:
yep unless Pioli and Haley like having a starting QB that will NEVER be even average by NFL standards.

HemiEd
11-21-2011, 02:34 PM
Cassel's contract is structured almost specifically so that they CAN cut him this offseason. They left themselves a GIANT "out" - they better use it.
I thought that was the case. Hopefully, we have seen him play his last down as a Chief.
The time to cut him was before he received that 9 million dollar roster bonus. We're on the cheap side of the deal now.

FAXWe should all get a bonus for enduring the three years of Cassel.

NY CHIEF
11-21-2011, 02:34 PM
:doh!: I hope the kid lights it up, maybe a few long balls the 1st series, Look who he is replacing..the king of 2 and a half yard passes..joe:thumb:

Otter
11-21-2011, 02:34 PM
Nope. But that dude will most likely never get a better chance to show the world what he's made of.

Wishing him luck.

KC_Lee
11-21-2011, 02:38 PM
Besides, it's far too early to give up. Did Abraham Lincoln give up when his wife stabbed him in the nuts? No. Did George Washington give up when he fell into the river? No. Did Benjamin Franklin give up when the lightning charred his entire skeleton into charcoal biscuits?

FAX

Or when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?