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Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:11 PM
Granted... I don't see the AFCW Champion doing anything in the playoffs, barring some fantastic wildcard weekend match-up with another struggling team.

At this point, through week 11:

Raiders 6-4 / 2-2 div (split with Den)
Broncos 5-5 / 2-2 div
Chiefs 4-5* / 2-2 div
Chargers 4-6 / 2-2 div

Raiders remaining: CHI / @ MIA / @ GBP / DET / @ KCC / SDC
Broncos remaining: @ SDC / @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC
Chiefs remaining: @ NEP / PIT / @ CHI / @ NYJ / GBP / OAK / @ DEN
Chargers remaining: DEN / @ JAX / BUF / BAL / @ DET / @ OAK

Are the Raiders sitting pretty with only a 1 game lead?

I think the Chiefs have a pretty brutal stretch...
I have no idea how to project Denver - looks tough, but with Cutler and the Bills falling... it's not horrible.
Chargers ... I just don't know what to expect, another late season rally?

Raiders ... I could see them pulling this off and again, I realize it means very little, but looking ahead can be fun.

The Broncos really need to beat SD this week... if they can do this, then anything is possible, but even at 4-6, the Chargers are dangerous - lots of talent.

I would like to find a way for Oakland not to win the division, but it looks like they have a strong chance.

Chris Meck
11-21-2011, 01:12 PM
yes, I think Oakland is the only team that's above average right now.

Bowser
11-21-2011, 01:12 PM
Yes, they will be the turd that rises to the top of the bowl that is the AFC West this year.

Sofa King
11-21-2011, 01:14 PM
There's not 1 good team in the AFC West this year.

ChiefsrGood
11-21-2011, 01:15 PM
I could see Oakland losing out if KC can beat them again.
Denver could win a couple more if the Tebow shit holds up
Chiefs are pretty much ****ed unless they can shock the world tonight
Chargers have some very winnable games left

Oakland
SD
KC
Denver

*edit oakland can probably beat chicago with cutler out. Miami has been on a hot streak so that will be a good game.

Dartgod
11-21-2011, 01:15 PM
Hate to say it, but yes.

Although, they should have destroyed Minny yesterday, but let them back in the game.

Micjones
11-21-2011, 01:18 PM
It's still ANYBODY's division. Well...except the Palko-led Chiefs.

DaFace
11-21-2011, 01:18 PM
Chiefs are toast. Chargers are toast.

I hate to say it, but there's a chance the Broncos could surprise us. When you look at their remaining games (@ SDC / @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC), all of those except maybe the Patriots are winnable within reason. I don't THINK they will win @SD, CHI, or @BUF, but their defense is playing really solid right now, and Tebow's confidence is building if nothing else.

So, I'd personally say that it's 50% OAK, 30% DEN, 15% SD, and 5% KC.

HemiEd
11-21-2011, 01:18 PM
Hate to say it, but yes.

Although, they should have destroyed Minny yesterday, but let them back in the game.

this, that way I don't have to say it. :D

Bowser
11-21-2011, 01:19 PM
Chiefs are toast. Chargers are toast.

I hate to say it, but there's a chance the Broncos could surprise us. When you look at their remaining games (@ SDC / @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC), all of those except maybe the Patriots are winnable within reason. I don't THINK they will win @SD, CHI, or @BUF, but their defense is playing really solid right now, and Tebow's confidence is building if nothing else.

So, I'd personally say that it's 50% OAK, 30% DEN, 15% SD, and 5% KC.

Ban him. Mods?

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:21 PM
Just curious ... let's say Denver's defense continues to play as they have in recent weeks. Can Denver go 4-2 in the final 6? I can see them winning the MIN, KCC games ... possibly the Bills too if they're slide is for real, that is 3 wins and finishing 8-8. That's why the Chargers game this week is so huge in my mind... they rallied late in the last game. We'll see, they're both playing much differently than they were a month ago.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-21-2011, 01:21 PM
I don't think it matters.

Count Alex's Wins
11-21-2011, 01:25 PM
Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

DaFace
11-21-2011, 01:25 PM
Just curious ... let's say Denver's defense continues to play as they have in recent weeks. Can Denver go 4-2 in the final 6? I can see them winning the MIN, KCC games ... possibly the Bills too if they're slide is for real, that is 3 wins and finishing 8-8. That's why the Chargers game this week is so huge in my mind... they rallied late in the last game. We'll see, they're both playing much differently than they were a month ago.

I think it's entirely possible that they could go 4-2, yes. I keep thinking that the bubble will burst, but you can't deny the defense's play recently. And Tebow's done just enough to not fuck it up during the game so that he can complete an insane drive to win it.

Coogs
11-21-2011, 01:26 PM
If the Chiefs lose these next 5 games... which looks entirely possible, I hope the Raiders and the Broncos are both in contention and need to win thier last two games to get in the playoffs. I'd sure as hell hate to lose 7 in a row and put ourselves right in the middle to the QB derby come draft day... only to screw it up the last two weeks.

bevischief
11-21-2011, 01:28 PM
At this point yes.

Chiefnj2
11-21-2011, 01:28 PM
It's only a matter of time, or God, bringing Denver back down to earth.

Rivers is playing like Cassel/Sanchez.

Oakland's biggest problem looks like it's penalties. They should win the division.

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:28 PM
Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game.

They may not and they're not getting each of those things in every game as it is now. The defense needs to continue playing at the high level they've been on in the last month. The Patriots are the only legit powerhouse left on the schedule... Chargers will be tough, always are. The Bears took a big hit with Cutler's injury.

Half of Denver's remaining games are quite winnable without all the things you referenced. We'll see how it goes... I'd like to see them pull it off for no other reason that turning things around a bit, but for me to be "sold on the future" of this thing... Tebow and the passing game really has to step up. And, that could be a difficult thing to do, they're just not equipped with the TEs/WRs to work effectively in this style. If they stick with Tebow going forward... lots of things to address.

We'll see.

lewdog
11-21-2011, 01:29 PM
In before R8ers tells us how good Carson Palmer is.

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:29 PM
I think it's entirely possible that they could go 4-2, yes. I keep thinking that the bubble will burst, but you can't deny the defense's play recently. And Tebow's done just enough to not **** it up during the game so that he can complete an insane drive to win it.

Very true... I can't stand the 2nd/3rd quarters of their games... painful.

Buehler445
11-21-2011, 01:32 PM
Goddamn it. I don't want to think about it. Chokeland has the easiest way. But they've shown time and time again to fail in new and exciting ways.

Dungver appears to be building, but the option? Seriously? They're gonna win it with the fucking option?

SD has rallied late but they're in a deep ass hole and the bitch known as Rivers seems to have lost his confidence. Team at this point looks to rise and fall with his douche ass.

We are terrible and I have 0 hope in Palko. If we play Stanzi, we have a shot to do some rallying. But it looks like they're giving Palko a shot, so even if Stanzi comes out fire hot, we'll be in such a deep hole it doesn't even matter.

I see no compelling reason to think that any of this shitfest will win the division.

Bowser
11-21-2011, 01:33 PM
In before R8ers tells us how good Carson Palmer is.

Good call.

Count Alex's Wins
11-21-2011, 01:35 PM
They may not and they're not getting each of those things in every game as it is now.

You beat Miami because of an onside kick.

You beat the Chiefs because of a 60-yard TD pass.

You beat the Jets because of a pick six.

Don't even get me started on the Raider game. You had a 60-yard TD run AND an 85-yard punt return.

You're not going to get miracles every week.

oldandslow
11-21-2011, 01:37 PM
. You're not going to get miracles every week.

I dunno....maybe God really does like Tim :).

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:42 PM
You beat Miami because of an onside kick.

You beat the Chiefs because of a 60-yard TD pass.

You beat the Jets because of a pick six.

Don't even get me started on the Raider game. You had a 60-yard TD run AND an 85-yard punt return.

You're not going to get miracles every week.

I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

thawk
11-21-2011, 01:44 PM
Oakland may only win two more games. That being said our Chiefs would be lucky to even do that. S.D. has easiest finish but do they get it together? I think Donx or Bolts.

FAX
11-21-2011, 01:45 PM
My money is on a dramatic, league-shocking comeback by the Chiefs.

After that, I'm donating 5 dollars to Tebow's favorite charity.

FAX

Count Alex's Wins
11-21-2011, 01:47 PM
I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

You don't beat the Dolphins without that onside kick, and you don't beat the Jets without Sanchez handing you 7 points.

Those cannot be argued.

Freaking miracles.

FAX
11-21-2011, 01:48 PM
I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

I've heard this a lot. But, it's not necessarily true.

The fact of the matter is that there are one or two plays or three or four plays or sometimes five plays in every game that decide the outcome.

That's why you hear coaches say, "Make a play!" They don't say, "Make 30 plays!". Nope. Never. It's always, "Make a play!" ... A ... Play ... Singular.

FAX

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:49 PM
Denver could also get a bit lucky in two weeks if Adrian Peterson misses that game, he's expected to miss at least 1 week...

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 01:56 PM
I've heard this a lot. But, it's not necessarily true.

The fact of the matter is that there are one or two plays or three or four plays or sometimes five plays in every game that decide the outcome.

That's why you hear coaches say, "Make a play!" They don't say, "Make 30 plays!". Nope. Never. It's always, "Make a play!" ... A ... Play ... Singular.

FAX

True, but when a team loses... you can typically point to a half dozen plays throughout the game... not just "that last play" and say had something different happened here, it would have changed the course of the game.

I'll give you the Miami game... there's no denying that one.

In the Jets game, they were up 10-3 in the 3rd quarter when the Pick 6 happened... there were 4:32 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when Goodman tied it up with that INT return. It was 3rd and 6 and NY was likely going to punt again, giving DEN great field position again...

That INT was one of many different things you could point to...

Mile High Mania
11-21-2011, 02:03 PM
You don't beat the Dolphins without that onside kick, and you don't beat the Jets without Sanchez handing you 7 points.

Those cannot be argued.

Freaking miracles.

See my reply to Fax and I don't think anyone would say Sanchez throwing an INT is a miracle... especially when you see how he played that night. Hell, the pass just before the INT should have been picked off.

Sanchez is not a very good QB... he's ridden the defense and ground game. Tebow is doing that now... time for him and the receivers to step it up.

Rausch
11-21-2011, 02:26 PM
My money is on a dramatic, league-shocking comeback by the Chiefs.

After that, I'm donating 5 dollars to Tebow's favorite charity.

FAX

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http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgais6AQkk1qc0tvs.jpg

MahiMike
11-21-2011, 02:27 PM
Raiders by 2 games.

FAX
11-21-2011, 02:33 PM
Raiders by 2 games.

I don't think so ... maybe ...

But, my guess is that the Faiders will self-implode from this point forward. All of a sudden-like they are going to start losing and losing bad. Once that starts to happen, they'll begin fighting with their coaches and amongst each other. Somebody will get hurt bad - stabbed or shot or ass-drilled or something - and then, during the ensuing federal investigation, the authorities will discover a meth lab in their locker room where their training staff has been cooking up steroids and some kind of amphetamine that turns a normal human being into a toad-man.

FAX

BoneKrusher
11-21-2011, 02:34 PM
Tebow and Denver will win the west.

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 04:55 PM
If the Raiders don't figure out how to score in the second half and if Pussyfoot keeps sitting out it's anybodys division.

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 05:01 PM
P.S Carson Palmer is an Awesome QB

lewdog
11-21-2011, 05:06 PM
P.S Carson Palmer is an Awesome QB

:clap:

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-21-2011, 06:12 PM
If the Raiders don't figure out how to score in the second half and if Pussyfoot keeps sitting out it's anybodys division.

Damn, maybe you aren't a total homer after all :thumb:

whoman69
11-21-2011, 06:14 PM
Chiefs only winnable games are the Broncos and Raiders. I can totally see the Raiders blowing this and giving it to the Doncs, especially after the Raiders get swept by the Chiefs.

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 06:18 PM
Damn, maybe you aren't a total homer after all :thumb:
You should go to my site sometimes and see how much of a homer I am...

I am sick of the penalties, I am sick of watching my team dominate for 3 qtrs and be sitting on the edge of my seat watching the team having to defend for their lives on the teams last drive of the game. I am sick of my team playing one way for 3 3/4 qtrs and then all they do is leave 2 mins on the clock.

Lots of things piss me off about my Raiders...

I love the team but they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory more than any team I have ever seen in my life.

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-21-2011, 06:20 PM
You should go to my site sometimes and see how much of a homer I am...

I am sick of the penalties, I am sick of watching my team dominate for 3 qtrs and be sitting on the edge of my seat watching the team having to defend for their lives on the teams last drive of the game. I am sick of my team playing one way for 3 3/4 qtrs and then all they do is leave 2 mins on the clock.

Lots of things piss me off about my Raiders...

I love the team but they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory more than any team I have ever seen in my life.

The penalty thing is just wierd. No matter how many players and coaches they change, they always rack up the penalties. Most of them are retarded personal fouls too.

Bwana
11-21-2011, 06:22 PM
Yes, yes they are.

R8RFAN
11-21-2011, 06:24 PM
The penalty thing is just wierd. No matter how many players and coaches they change, they always rack up the penalties. Most of them are retarded personal fouls too.

It baffles me, Look I am all for a good holding penalty to protect the qb, even can handle a few motion penalties but the personal foul shit baffles me.

If I were an opponent of the Raiders, and I was down on the scoreboard I would send out a 3rd stringer to do nothing but pick a fight with a Raider because they are too stupid most of the time to back down and I have no idea why, even new players same shit... It gets old, there is no telling how many games the Raiders have lost over the past 10 years on penalties alone.

It's so bad that if the Raiders get less than 7 penalties a game I think that is actually good.

Ugly Duck
11-21-2011, 07:10 PM
Famous CBS Sports Professional Expert Clark Judge Opinion: Oakland not only wins the AFC West, but they'll go deep into the playoffs.

Oakland not only wins the AFC West, but they'll go deep into the playoffs. I mean it. Carson Palmer makes them dangerous, and while I was skeptical what he could do coming off the couch to play, the last two weeks convinced me he's the right man in the right place. Keep in mind, each of those wins were achieved without Darren McFadden, the Raiders' top playmaker. And keep this in mind, too -- Oakland is 4-1 on the road, losing only when it blew an 18-point lead to Buffalo the second week of the season. The knock on the Raiders was that they couldn't win non-division games. Well, this just in: They're 4-2 against opponents outside the AFC West.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/16183853/week-11-judgements-bears-are-going-nowhere-without-cutler

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-21-2011, 11:03 PM
Famous CBS Sports Professional Expert Clark Judge Opinion: Oakland not only wins the AFC West, but they'll go deep into the playoffs.

Oakland not only wins the AFC West, but they'll go deep into the playoffs. I mean it. Carson Palmer makes them dangerous, and while I was skeptical what he could do coming off the couch to play, the last two weeks convinced me he's the right man in the right place. Keep in mind, each of those wins were achieved without Darren McFadden, the Raiders' top playmaker. And keep this in mind, too -- Oakland is 4-1 on the road, losing only when it blew an 18-point lead to Buffalo the second week of the season. The knock on the Raiders was that they couldn't win non-division games. Well, this just in: They're 4-2 against opponents outside the AFC West.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/16183853/week-11-judgements-bears-are-going-nowhere-without-cutler

The cbssports "experts" make SlowMo look like a football genious.

cdcox
11-21-2011, 11:21 PM
Oakland 79.5%
Denver 11%
SD 9%
KC 0.5%

cdcox
11-21-2011, 11:28 PM
Every team in the AFC West has scenarios where they could win the division with 7 wins.

Count Alex's Wins
11-21-2011, 11:29 PM
KC 0.5%

http://www.umtailgate.com/storage/a_chance.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1314741139517

cdcox
11-21-2011, 11:39 PM
So this would be the most hilarious season of all time if the Chiefs lost the next three to drop to 4-9. We then rip off 3 wins against GB, Oakland, and Denver to finish 7-9 and win the division through tiebreakers. Then we play ugly ball in the playoffs, and somehow luck our way through to win the SB.

So what i am saying is: there's a chance.

BigMeatballDave
11-22-2011, 02:41 AM
I don't care who wins.

I'm just glad Denver isn't drafting Luck/Barkley/RG3

Aries Walker
11-22-2011, 06:39 AM
We're too far behind, with too many injuries and too many good teams on the schedule, plus we're just not playing well.

The Chargers are doing their annual self-destruction, plus they've got Choker Norv at the helm. They're too far behind and have too many problems.

Denver is a terrible team. Tebow is a terrible quarterback. They've been lucky.

As much as it pains me to say it, Oakland will probably back their way into the division title, and thus will earn the right to get pulverized by the Ravens in the first round.

Ugly Duck
11-22-2011, 09:10 AM
The Chargers are doing their annual self-destruction, plus they've got Choker Norv at the helm. They're too far behind and have too many problems.


The San Diego Chargers Will Fire Norv Turner - John Gennaro, Bolts from the Blue

Norv Turner's time in San Diego is almost over, I'm convinced. If he's still the Head Coach of the San Diego Chargers in 2012, I will eat my hat.

I've told anyone that has asked about Norv's job security that he was safe if the Chargers made the playoffs this season. If they didn't, he could be gone. Now, with the prospect of no playoffs for two consecutive years looming and the main reasons being that Norv's offense and his star pupil (Philip Rivers) are performing miserably, it seems like a sure thing.

7 of the 9 remaining games for the Chargers are against teams with winning records. 4 are against teams with at least 5 wins. The Chargers are 1-3 against teams they've played that currently have winning records, with that one win coming against the Chiefs (who are still not a very good team).

The San Diego Chargers have deteriorated into a bad team. They have no pass rush, they can't stop the run, they have issues in the secondary and they spend more time turning the ball over on offense than actually scoring. These aren't problems that will fix themselves, they are issues that have gotten worse and worse under Norv Turner's tenure as the coach.

The likeliest outcome from 2011 is now that the Raiders win the division and the Chargers are sitting at home again, "elite QB" and all. That is what it would take for the Spanos family and A.J. Smith to give up on Norv Turner as a Head Coach.

The number one reason Norv was hired was Philip Rivers. Rivers was going to will this team to a Super Bowl, as long as he had an Offensive Coordinator that could get the most out of him. That man was Norv, but when Rivers is leading the league in turnovers and the team is losing because of him (or winning in spite of him)....that job security as "Philip Rivers' mentor" sort of goes away.

Rivers is the only one that can save Norv Turner's job now. If he somehow turns back into 2009-2010 Rivers and carries the team to the playoffs on his back (with an MVP-like second half of the season), Turner could be safe. Otherwise, things will need to change in a hurry. A.J. Smith might have great respect for Norv, but he has no patience for missing the playoffs.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2011/11/1/2529983/san-diego-chargers-will-fire-norv-turner

Predarat
11-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Tebow will prvail, it is his destiny.

Aries Walker
11-22-2011, 04:11 PM
The San Diego Chargers Will Fire Norv Turner - John Gennaro, Bolts from the Blue

Norv Turner's time in San Diego is almost over, I'm convinced. If he's still the Head Coach of the San Diego Chargers in 2012, I will eat my hat. [etc.]
I grew up in Maryland, and lived there until last August, so I heard every bit of Norv Turner news while he was with the Redskins. I felt actually bad for the Chargers when I heard that they were getting him, because I knew that all of this was ahead of them.

R8RFAN
11-22-2011, 04:14 PM
Why blame Norv, he isn't the one throwing the INT's

Micjones
11-22-2011, 04:18 PM
We're too far behind, with too many injuries and too many good teams on the schedule, plus we're just not playing well.

The Chargers are doing their annual self-destruction, plus they've got Choker Norv at the helm. They're too far behind and have too many problems.

Denver is a terrible team. Tebow is a terrible quarterback. They've been lucky.

As much as it pains me to say it, Oakland will probably back their way into the division title, and thus will earn the right to get pulverized by the Ravens in the first round.

Better them than us.

R8RFAN
11-22-2011, 04:20 PM
Better them than us.

Now you know damn well you would be happy to make the playoffs and get beat by anyone...

You will never win another Superbowl with an attitude like that.

RedNeckRaider
11-22-2011, 05:02 PM
Better them than us.

Bull****ingshit LMAO If a team cannot compete for a ring the next best thing is winning your division. This site flew the 2010 title across the top of the site all off season and still was last time I looked. Chiefs fans have answered every question about last season with "we won the west and you guys didnt"

They did and it beat the hell out of anything the rest of the west did last year. As far as the suck for luck crowd, hows that working out for you? As a fan at least as what I see as a fan, you pull for team to win and during the bad season you hope they play spoiler. Then again there are those who have new gear because they burn what they have when their team struggles~

R8RFAN
11-22-2011, 05:05 PM
Bull****ingshit LMAO If a team cannot compete for a ring the next best thing is winning your division. This site flew the 2010 title across the top of the site all off season and still was last time I looked. Chiefs fans have answered every question about last season with "we won the west and you guys didnt"

They did and it beat the hell out of anything the rest of the west did last year. As far as to suck for luck crowd, hows that working out for you? As a fan at least as what I see as a fan, you pull for team to win and during the bad season you hope they play spoiler. Then again there are those who have new gear because they burn what they have when their team struggles~

Oh hell yes, You damn skippy.. Some of these guys here I truly feel bad for but others here are the dumbest of the dumb...

basically the "anybody but Cassel crowd"

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 02:49 PM
Every team in the AFC West has scenarios where they could win the division with 7 wins.

Bumping...

And, I don't think those scenarios exist any longer... could be wrong though.

I was really pulling for the Bears yesterday. Oh well. 5 games to go and it's a 2 team race to see who loses first in the wildcard round.

Denver needs to find a way to win 1 more game than OAK at this point, maintain the tiebreakers with DIV/CONF records. And, just as the NFL offices would have it... 3 of Denver's remaining games are in Denver while the rest of the AFCW has 3 games on the road. (just wanted to get that out in the open early)

Raiders 7-4 / 2-2 div (split with Den) / 5-4 Conf
Broncos 6-5 / 3-2 div / 6-3 Conf
***
Chiefs 4-7 / 2-2 div / 2-2 Conf
Chargers 4-7 / 2-3 div / 2-3 Conf

Raiders remaining: @ MIA / @ GBP / DET / @ KCC / SDC
Broncos remaining: @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC
Chiefs remaining: @ CHI / @ NYJ / GBP / OAK / @ DEN
Chargers remaining: @ JAX / BUF / BAL / @ DET / @ OAK

Cave Johnson
11-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Oakland to the AFC championship, apparently. ;)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=249406&page=3&highlight=Mike+Silver

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:03 PM
Theres one thing for sure, The Chiefs won't be there unless they have tickets

Bowser
11-28-2011, 03:09 PM
Theres one thing for sure, The Chiefs won't be there unless they have tickets

Kind of like you guys last year, amirite?

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 03:10 PM
Theres one thing for sure, The Chiefs won't be there unless they have tickets

I'm kinda hoping that Oakland finds a way to lose a couple of these... primarily against the Packers and Lions. Miami could surprise next week.

Fortunately for Denver, MIN may be without Peterson again (I haven't read the latest), we know that Cutler is out for CHI... who knows what you get @ BUF and then KC at home.

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 03:11 PM
Kind of like you guys last year, amirite?

Crazy to think that Oakland hasn't been over .500 since the 2002 season... that was 6 Head Coach's ago.

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:14 PM
I'm kinda hoping that Oakland finds a way to lose a couple of these... primarily against the Packers and Lions. Miami could surprise next week.

Fortunately for Denver, MIN may be without Peterson again (I haven't read the latest), we know that Cutler is out for CHI... who knows what you get @ BUF and then KC at home.

Really? A Donk fan wanting the Raiders to lose?

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:15 PM
Crazy to think that Oakland hasn't been over .500 since the 2002 season... that was 6 Head Coach's ago.

Donk's and Cheaps haven't done much better

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 03:15 PM
Really? A Donk fan wanting the Raiders to lose?

Weird isn't it...

And, you know that deep down... you fear it will happen.

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:16 PM
Weird isn't it...

And, you know that deep down... you fear it will happen.

I don't fear the Donks at all actually

Rain Man
11-28-2011, 03:20 PM
Donk's and Cheaps haven't done much better

Please refer to us as "The 2010 Defending AFC West Division Champion Chiefs". It's more accurate.

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:21 PM
Please refer to us as "The 2010 Defending AFC West Division Champion Chiefs". It's more accurate.

Ok and I am not even going to mention that somebody had to win it last year per NFL rules:thumb:

Nightfyre
11-28-2011, 03:27 PM
Ok and I am not even going to mention that somebody had to win it last year per NFL rules:thumb:

As opposed to the Raider domination of the division this year? Please.

whoman69
11-28-2011, 03:31 PM
yes, I think Oakland is the only team that's close to average right now.

FYP

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:36 PM
Don't you wish you had a weapon like this?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Pkp82TgP46U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

DomCasual
11-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

It's uncanny how much you are wrong.

Rain Man
11-28-2011, 03:54 PM
Don't you wish you had a weapon like this?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Pkp82TgP46U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Not good enough to put it inside the 20, eh?

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 03:55 PM
Not good enough to put it inside the 20, eh?

He was only concerned with kicking it over Hesters head

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 04:42 PM
Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 04:44 PM
Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?

The moment the ball was kicked off

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 04:48 PM
The moment the ball was kicked off

Interesting...

R8RFAN
11-28-2011, 04:51 PM
Interesting...

Your defense is winning those games, not Tebow and the offense.

Mile High Mania
11-28-2011, 05:01 PM
Your defense is winning those games, not Tebow and the offense.

That's pretty much on par with what I have been saying. The offense has been very conservative and very run focused... but, you know that - just look at the last DEN/OAK game.

DomCasual
11-28-2011, 06:37 PM
Your defense is winning those games, not Tebow and the offense.

Yet the same defense was 1-4 when Orton was the quarterback.

Weird.

BigMeatballDave
11-28-2011, 06:39 PM
Raiders could easily lose their next 4

Ugly Duck
11-28-2011, 06:52 PM
If a team cannot compete for a ring the next best thing is winning your division. This site flew the 2010 title across the top of the site all off season and still was last time I looked. Chiefs fans have answered every question about last season with "we won the west and you guys didnt"

This site is so biased.... they probably won't even fly a "Raiders 2011 AFCW Champions!" title up on top all season when Oakland wins. Why is that?

DomCasual
11-28-2011, 06:55 PM
This site is so biased.... they probably won't even fly a "Raiders 2011 AFCW Champions!" title up on top all season when Oakland wins. Why is that?

Because that would be weird, with the Broncos winning it?

I kid. Sort of.

OctoberFart
11-28-2011, 09:18 PM
Yes next question.

lewdog
11-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Yes next question.

Autumnqueef is back. Yipee!

DaFace
11-28-2011, 10:53 PM
Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?

I'm not necessarily saying I agree with him, but two missed FG's by Novak is certainly a bit unusual.

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-29-2011, 12:44 AM
Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?

Norv going full retard in OT when San Diego had the ball at the Denver 30 ROFL Tebow has a deal with the devil.

easymobee
11-29-2011, 01:16 AM
Donk's and Cheaps haven't done much better

Pretty sure that the Chiefs have been to the playoffs at least twice since then and that i remember the Broncos playing in an AFC Championship game much more recent than that.

Im sorry the Raiders have sucked nine strait years. Give McFadden some more Ice and a handful of dirt already.

R8RFAN
11-29-2011, 02:11 AM
You haven't won a playoff game since Joe Montana... how old is he now 60?

Fruit Ninja
11-29-2011, 02:15 AM
im a chiefs fan, but we have absolutely 0 fucking anything when it comes to play off smack talk. We got nothing. zilch nada. nil.

R8RFAN
11-29-2011, 02:18 AM
im a chiefs fan, but we have absolutely 0 ****ing anything when it comes to play off smack talk. We got nothing. zilch nada. nil.

Well that's a first, Most Chief fans like to bring up the Raiders getting their ass kicked in the Superbowl when they haven't even sniffed one in 40 years LMAO

BigMeatballDave
11-29-2011, 02:56 AM
NO AFCW team can talk smaq about the post season. If you haven't won a play off game and a SB in 5 yrs, you are irrelevant.

R8RFAN
11-29-2011, 02:59 AM
NO AFCW team can talk smaq about the post season. If you haven't won a play off game and a SB in 5 yrs, you are irrelevant.

What if you haven't won a SB in closer to 50 years than 5 years?

BigMeatballDave
11-29-2011, 03:20 AM
What if you haven't won a SB in closer to 50 years than 5 years?

Your mother was a crackhead, right?

Mile High Mania
11-29-2011, 07:12 AM
I'm not necessarily saying I agree with him, but two missed FG's by Novak is certainly a bit unusual.

Novak isn't quite yet a can't miss, top tier Kicker. This is his first action since 2008... he had 10 FG attempts in 2008 - you know that as he was a Chief. That was his last real action. This is the most he has played since 2005 when he was on 2 teams.

He's never had more than 10 attempts in the pros... he's nearly at 3X that now, the dude's leg is jelly.

Norv going full retard in OT when San Diego had the ball at the Denver 30 ROFL Tebow has a deal with the devil.

This is just Norv being Norv, is it not?

R8RFAN
11-29-2011, 07:24 AM
Your mother was a crackhead, right?


ROFL

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-29-2011, 08:48 AM
This is just Norv being Norv, is it not?

Pretty much, but it was a huge break when he took the foot off the pedal. Can't believe they didn't can that clown after the game.

RedNeckRaider
11-29-2011, 10:46 AM
Pretty sure that the Chiefs have been to the playoffs at least twice since then and that i remember the Broncos playing in an AFC Championship game much more recent than that.

Im sorry the Raiders have sucked nine strait years. Give McFadden some more Ice and a handful of dirt already.

And the Chiefs have won 3 playoff games dating back to 1971. I would think this would be a subject Chief fans would wish to avoid. Not that Oakland has much to talk about in recent years, but damn 3 wins in 40 years. I don't think you are in much of a position to be running smack~

Bacillus Anthracis
11-29-2011, 11:25 AM
Because that would be weird, with the Broncos winning it?

I kid. Sort of.

Christ. What a bizarro world AFC West it would be... but Denver has a legit shot at it. Every week they're dogs and every week they win. If I was a DC facing the Donks I'd be in contact with the DC at Alabama or LSU. This college ball business is for the birds.

F'ing strange.

I think Chicago and New England will do the Donks in though. Chicago will win 9-3 and the Pats will win 19-10. And when the Raiders stomp San Diego and KC, that'll lock up the division.

Mile High Mania
11-30-2011, 12:45 PM
So, this week we have...

Oakland (7-4) at the Dolphins (3-8)
Broncos (6-5) at the Vikings (2-9)

Raiders/Dolphins
The Dolphins are a weird team, having won 3 of their last 4... and they very well could have beaten the Cowboys last week. They've become a difficult team to project... if you look at their games with CLE, DEN and DAL - they maybe could have had 3 more wins.

The Raiders likely won't have McFadden back, but they've been playing well. Will the trip to Florida be kind to them this week? The Raiders have won their last 3 games, but they're still a bit of a mystery and by no means are a lock. I expect them to win, but it should be a tough game and a loss would not be surprising to me simply because of how well Miami has played and Oakland likely will not have McFadden.

Broncos/Vikings
I won't spend much time on Denver, you guys know what's going on there... the key to me during this stretch of 5-1 is the fact that they are 4-0 on the road (MIA, OAK, KC, SD).

The Vikings are experiencing some issues with Peterson - he may be back this week, but still isn't practicing. The Vikings defense has some playmakers, but they've broken down quite a bit. It will be interesting to see how they attack the Broncos.

The big key here to me is whether or not Peterson plays, that offense really needs him as they're young and inexperienced without him and truly lack a game breaker. I think the Broncos can get after Ponder early and often, forcing this into another potential snoozer for the most part.

Overall...
I think Denver and Oakland end up with a tied record of 7-5 after this week, giving Denver the division lead on tiebreakers. Imagine that one...

And, then it's Oakland @ Green Bay with Denver hosting the Bears in week 14.

This is a very critical week for Oakland.

Mile High Mania
12-02-2011, 01:48 PM
And, it's official... Adrian Peterson has been ruled out for this week.

That's a pretty huge deal in Denver's favor. Go Dolphins.

HemiEd
12-02-2011, 02:09 PM
You haven't won a playoff game since Joe Montana... how old is he now 60?

55, but at least he is not still playing for the Chiefs at that age. Didn't George Blanda retire at the double nickel?

R8RFAN
12-02-2011, 02:11 PM
55, but at least he is not still playing for the Chiefs at that age. Didn't George Blanda retire at the double nickel?

That old dude was a stud though... admit it

R8RFAN
12-02-2011, 02:12 PM
And, it's official... Adrian Peterson has been ruled out for this week.

That's a pretty huge deal in Denver's favor. Go Dolphins.

I would rather lose than have to suffer through the offense the Donks have....

vailpass
12-02-2011, 02:16 PM
I would rather lose than have to suffer through the offense the Donks have....

Then you must have been the happiest guy on the planet over the last 10 years.

Mile High Mania
12-02-2011, 02:16 PM
I would rather lose than have to suffer through the offense the Donks have....

I dunno about that... I suffered through some losing the last couple of years and while this offense has been painful at times to watch, the end result has at least been good.

Mile High Mania
12-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Then you must have been the happiest guy on the planet over the last 10 years.

LMAO Well played... :clap:

R8RFAN
12-02-2011, 02:18 PM
Then you must have been the happiest guy on the planet over the last 10 years.

Pot meet Kettle

HemiEd
12-02-2011, 02:19 PM
That old dude was a stud though... admit it

No doubt, but I hated him just the same, just like all of the Raiders of that era. **spitting**

R8RFAN
12-02-2011, 02:20 PM
Then you must have been the happiest guy on the planet over the last 10 years.

Yup the worst ever for me but just think, even as bad as the Raiders have been, they won more playoff games in 3 years (99-02) than the Chiefs have in 40 years

munkey
12-02-2011, 02:23 PM
I dunno about that... I suffered through some losing the last couple of years and while this offense has been painful at times to watch, the end result has at least been good.

Yeah...It's good until the Donks get their collective asses handed to them in the first round of the playoffs. That's if they even get to the playoffs...which I seriously doubt.

HemiEd
12-02-2011, 02:24 PM
Yup the worst ever for me but just think, even as bad as the Raiders have been, they won more playoff games in 3 years (99-02) than the Chiefs have in 40 years

You do realize that vailpass is a Bronco fan, correct?

R8RFAN
12-02-2011, 02:25 PM
You do realize that vailpass is a Bronco fan, correct?

I was wondering that, I kinda noticed a slightly more dumbass tone in his posts...

Thanks for pointing this out to me...

munkey
12-02-2011, 02:28 PM
Yup the worst ever for me but just think, even as bad as the Raiders have been, they won more playoff games in 3 years (99-02) than the Chiefs have in 40 years

Why do all trolls revert the the past? It's like me bragging about how the chiefs won the Superbowl to a fucking Lions fan? What am I missing?

R8RFAN
12-02-2011, 02:32 PM
Why do all trolls revert the the past? It's like me bragging about how the chiefs won the Superbowl to a ****ing Lions fan? What am I missing?

It's all about these
http://www.oakland.com/oakland-raiders/gifs/Trophies.jpg


and These

http://steelergridiron.com/history/rings/sb11.jpg
http://steelergridiron.com/history/rings/sb15.jpg
http://steelergridiron.com/history/rings/sb18.jpg

Ugly Duck
12-04-2011, 06:01 PM
I would like to find a way for Oakland not to win the division, but it looks like they have a strong chance.

Its happened.... its here. Amazing but true.... Denver has just grabbed the inside track on the division. Who wudda thunk it? Raiders were dominated on both sides of the line in Miami. Dolphins thrashed them in every phase of the game. Broncos pulled off yet another miracle - gave up 500 yards to the Minnesota Ponders.... & yet still managed to win. They lead the division on tiebreakers, 3-2 in the AFCW & 6-3 in the conference. Raiders will lose @Packers next week, Broncos are in the driver's seat. In the preseason, I picked Denver to wallow in the AFCW cellar. Shows how much I know. Now we must all admit.... the Denver Freakin Broncos, with Tim Fuggin Tebow under center, are in control of the AFC West. Its a turvy, topsy world....

Mile High Mania
12-05-2011, 05:28 AM
So, here we are...

Broncos 7-5 / 3-2 div - currently hold the tiebreakers over OAK
Raiders 7-5 / 2-2 div

Raiders remaining: @ GBP / DET / @ KCC / SDC
Broncos remaining: CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC

Denver has 3 of their final 4 at home, which is sweet. The Raiders travel to Green Bay this week and then they host the Lions, I dig it.

I hope the Broncos don't toy around with the beaten down Bears, that would be a letdown of monumental proportions. The Patriots in 2 weeks... that's huge and after watching Ponder yesterday, the secondary better get ready.

Mile High Mania
12-05-2011, 05:50 AM
Four more games to go... but, if the season ended today - Denver would be the #4 seed and hosting #5 Steelers in the WildCard Round.

That's kinda crazy...

KCtotheSB
12-05-2011, 06:13 AM
Denver sucks.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-05-2011, 06:14 AM
Boy, if the Raiders don't win the West this year, the Palmer trade will be colossal Fail. Granted, I think the trade is fail anyways....unless you win a Super Bowl, which I don't think happens. But, if they don't even win THIS division? Pathetic.

Mile High Mania
12-05-2011, 06:45 AM
Boy, if the Raiders don't win the West this year, the Palmer trade will be colossal Fail. Granted, I think the trade is fail anyways....unless you win a Super Bowl, which I don't think happens. But, if they don't even win THIS division? Pathetic.

Yeah, that's a lot of picks to use for a win now on an older beaten QB... if you don't win now.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-05-2011, 06:47 AM
Yeah, that's a lot of picks to use for a win now on an older beaten QB... if you don't win now.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the final three weeks of the season if they get blown out by GB and the Broncos are able to beat the Bears.

Mile High Mania
12-05-2011, 06:49 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens over the final three weeks of the season if they get blown out by GB and the Broncos are able to beat the Bears.

No offense, but if Forte is out... we saw what KC did at CHI... I was liking Denver's chances in Denver before Forte got hurt.

Things are oddly lining up ... with the injuries to key players on their schedule recently. They have to win next week vs CHI to really make the NE game high profile.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-05-2011, 07:11 AM
No offense, but if Forte is out... we saw what KC did at CHI... I was liking Denver's chances in Denver before Forte got hurt.

Things are oddly lining up ... with the injuries to key players on their schedule recently. They have to win next week vs CHI to really make the NE game high profile.

It will be interesting to see the Broncos versus the Pats.

The Broncos should take care of business versus the Bears. The great thing about Tebow is that he doesn't make mistakes. For all his shortcomings, he has only one INT, I think this season.

whoman69
12-05-2011, 10:43 AM
I would laugh so hard if the other teams let the Chiefs win the division. If we beat Denver and Oakland we would have the first tiebreaker.

Nightfyre
12-05-2011, 10:46 AM
I wouldn't. Unless Orton somehow miraculously recovers and turns into Kurt Warner pt II. That would be sorta cool. But we would still have to draft RG3.

Mile High Mania
12-05-2011, 11:21 AM
I would laugh so hard if the other teams let the Chiefs win the division. If we beat Denver and Oakland we would have the first tiebreaker.

overall / division / conference

Broncos 7-5 / 3-2 / 6-3 (CHI / Pats / @ Bills / KC)
Raiders 7-5 / 2-2 / 5-5 (@ Packers / DET / @KC / SD)
Chiefs 5-7 / 2-2 / 3-6 (@Jets / Packers / Raiders / @ Broncos)
Chargers 4-7* / 2-3 / 3-5* (@ Jax / Bills / Ravens / @ Lions / @ Raiders)

At this point, Denver really controls their own fate and the road to the AFC West title actually goes through Denver with 3 of their 4 remaining games in Denver.

Denver has the best divisional record and conference record. I don't know how all the 'common opponents' breaks down at this point, but I bolded what I believe to be are the toughest games left for each team.

Denver will very likely be in a position that it hasn't been in for the last several years, favorites in 3 of the last 4 games and playing as the team to beat in December. It's nice for a change... but barring some monumental collapses, I just don't see KC or SD playing anything more than spoiler.

Oakland really took a major step back with the beating yesterday against the Dolphins.

Worst case, I see ...
Denver going 2-2 (likely 3-1 though)
Oakland going 2-2
Chiefs going 1-3 (maybe 2-2, doubt it though)
Chargers going 2-3

Mile High Mania
12-06-2011, 07:32 AM
So, with 4 games to go.. only 2 games separate worst from first. Which team will crawl out of this lousy division, win the title and advance to the playoffs?

overall / division / conference

Broncos 7-5 / 3-2 / 6-3 (CHI / Pats / @ Bills / KC)
Raiders 7-5 / 2-2 / 5-5 (@ Packers / DET / @KC / SD)
Chiefs 5-7 / 2-2 / 3-6 (@Jets / Packers / Raiders / @ Broncos)
Chargers 5-7 / 2-3 / 4-5 ( / Bills / Ravens / @ Lions / @ Raiders)

Broncos split with OAK and SD, won first game @ KC.
Raiders split with Den, lost to KC, won @ SD
KC split with SD, lost to Den, won @ OAK
Chargers split with Den, split with KC and lost to OAK

San Diego has the worst road to the division title, looking at whom they've lost to within the division and their remaining games.

Raiders have a daunting stretch of games ahead of them with @ Packers, the Lions and then @ KC.

Chiefs... two tough games coming up @ Jets and then the Packers, followed by 2 Div games.

Denver could certainly stumble... they've been living on a prayer at times recently and at some point, they're bound to come up short. They have the most favorable position at this point... but, I'm starting to think that they can stumble here, go 2-2 and still win the division. Granted, likely means a first round exit, but you never know.

OctoberFart
01-09-2012, 01:15 PM
NO AFCW team can talk smaq about the post season. If you haven't won a play off game and a SB in 5 yrs, you are irrelevant.

Said by a team that hasn't been relevant in 20 years and seen every other team in the AFCW even old AFCW cellar dweller Seattle in the big game. Queefs are an embarrassment to the league. Now why don't you all neg rep me with go die in a fire. Come on guys you need some new stuff.

R8RFAN
01-15-2012, 02:10 PM
It's been 15,343 days since the Chiefs won or were in their last Superbowl

Messier
01-15-2012, 02:12 PM
It's been 15,343 days since the Chiefs won or were in their last Superbowl

Carson Palmer