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Micjones
11-21-2011, 05:10 PM
Who should the next signal caller for the Chiefs be?

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 05:11 PM
Matt Barkley

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 05:12 PM
Do whatever you have to do to get Luck, Barkley or RGIII.

kstater
11-21-2011, 05:14 PM
Not Tannahill

Reerun_KC
11-21-2011, 05:14 PM
No to Jones

Micjones
11-21-2011, 05:14 PM
Do whatever you have to do to get Luck, Barkley or RGIII.

If the Draft were tomorrow...I think we'd pick somewhere in the neighborhood of sixteen. Dolphins and Eagles could very well play their way out of a Top 10 pick. Are we gonna finish low enough to draft one of those three?

We'd have to basically lose out.

Pestilence
11-21-2011, 05:14 PM
Do whatever you have to do to get Luck, Barkley or RGIII.

This.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 05:15 PM
If the Draft were tomorrow...I think we'd pick somewhere in the neighborhood of sixteen. Dolphins and Eagles could very well play their way out of a Top 10 pick. Are we gonna finish low enough to draft one of those three?

We'd have to basically lose out.

We're not picking anywhere near 16.

And FWIW, as of now, RGIII is considered a R2 pick - though rising.

I don't give a fuck what it takes to move as far as we need to. Without a franchise QB, this roster is going to waste.

58kcfan89
11-21-2011, 05:16 PM
If the Draft were tomorrow...I think we'd pick somewhere in the neighborhood of sixteen. Dolphins and Eagles could very well play their way out of a Top 10 pick. Are we gonna finish low enough to draft one of those three?

We'd have to basically lose out.

You act like this is going to be difficult.

Plus, there's a handful of teams currently in front of us that'll finish with more wins IMO.

Do whatever you have to do to get Luck, Barkley or RGIII.

This.

Brock
11-21-2011, 05:17 PM
If the Draft were tomorrow...I think we'd pick somewhere in the neighborhood of sixteen. Dolphins and Eagles could very well play their way out of a Top 10 pick. Are we gonna finish low enough to draft one of those three?

We'd have to basically lose out.

The Dolphins and Eagles are looking better than the Chiefs by far. Who are the Chiefs going to beat at this point?

BossChief
11-21-2011, 05:17 PM
Right now, apart form the guys that would be obvious reaches, I would be happy with anyone except Jones.

If we draft Landry Jones, Ill be happy that they at least tried with one of the top "perceived" quarterbacks...but inside I will be disappointed.

Id rather trade away the whole entire draft to get Luck or Barkley (even if we already have a top 5 pick) than sit pat and draft Landry Jones.

Micjones
11-21-2011, 05:18 PM
We're not picking anywhere near 16.

I said if the draft were tomorrow.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 05:18 PM
Griffin means another year of Cassel for sure. The guy has the tools to be good but he'll be a bit of a project.

Micjones
11-21-2011, 05:19 PM
Griffin means another year of Cassel for sure. The guy has the tools to be good but he'll be a bit of a project.

If we land him though...I doubt many people would mind that extra year.

DJ's left nut
11-21-2011, 05:21 PM
Griffin, Jones....see what we have in stanzi. Foles is cassel2 and tannehill just doesn't impress me.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 05:22 PM
You act like this is going to be difficult.

Plus, there's a handful of teams currently in front of us that'll finish with more wins IMO.



This.

I can absolutely see this team losing out.

Here's a list of teams with 3 wins or less:

Indy, Carolina, Minnesota, STL, Arizona, Jacksonville, Miami and Washington.

Indy will absolutely pick ahead of us.

Of the remaining teams, Carolina, Minnesota, STL, Arizona and Jacksonville all have high picks at QB or just traded for a guy.

Miami is going to win a few more games.

That leaves Washington and the 4-6 teams - Cleveland, Philly, San Diego, Seattle and Tampa.

Every one of those teams will win a few more games - except for Cleveland.

There's going to be an opportunity to trade up.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 05:23 PM
We're not picking anywhere near 16.

And FWIW, as of now, RGIII is considered a R2 pick - though rising.

I don't give a fuck what it takes to move as far as we need to. Without a franchise QB, this roster is going to waste.

Maybe on Friday he was.
...

Id also like to add that we might as well stop listing RG3 in these because he has said to some people that he wants to come back to get his masters next year.

More reason to go all in for Barkley or Luck.

I dont care if we end up with the #2 pick, Id still trade the whole draft for Luck.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 05:23 PM
Right now, apart form the guys that would be obvious reaches, I would be happy with anyone except Jones.

If we draft Landry Jones, Ill be happy that they at least tried with one of the top "perceived" quarterbacks...but inside I will be disappointed.

Id rather trade away the whole entire draft to get Luck or Barkley (even if we already have a top 5 pick) than sit pat and draft Landry Jones.

Same.

BryanBusby
11-21-2011, 05:25 PM
I'd rather fuck a rusty snow blower than watch Foles play for the Chiefs.

(This goes for Jones, too)

FD
11-21-2011, 05:28 PM
No to Jones or Tannehill. Yes to Griffin, Luck or Barkley.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-21-2011, 05:31 PM
It would be classic Chiefs to go 30 years without drafting a QB in the first and then use that pick on Landry Jones.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 05:32 PM
There's going to be an opportunity to trade up.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2wghu7t.jpg

Extra Point
11-21-2011, 05:32 PM
It would be classic Chiefs to go 30 years without drafting a QB in the first and then use that pick on Landry Jones.

I sharpened all the knives at the wrong time.

OnTheWarpath58
11-21-2011, 05:32 PM
It would be classic Chiefs to go 30 years without drafting a QB in the first and then use that pick on Landry Jones.

I haz a sad, because it's probably exactly what will happen should he declare.

Extra Point
11-21-2011, 05:33 PM
I'd wait for little brother Rodgers. Sorry.

MTG#10
11-21-2011, 05:35 PM
Matt Barkley

This. If he's still there you have to take him.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 05:37 PM
I hate to say it, but the way these guys LOVE Cassel, they are probably blowing loads left and right scouting Jones.

He is basically a more advanced, even less mobile version of Cassel.

He would also allow them to keep Cassel at the helm for another year or two.

IMO he is the Blackledge of this class of quarterbacks.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 05:42 PM
Do whatever you have to do to get Luck, Barkley or RGIII.

This completely unnecessary rhetorical arrangement is here for the purpose of showing total agreement with the above syntactical grouping.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 05:44 PM
I wouldn't trade up for RG3...but I would take him even if we are drafting in the top 5 (this is considering that Barkley and Luck are off the board when we pick).

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 05:45 PM
I wouldn't trade up for RG3...but I would take him even if we are drafting in the top 5 (this is considering that Barkley and Luck are off the board when we pick).

Latest Walters has RGIII going #2 overall.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 05:46 PM
It'd be nice not having to trade up for Barkley. Draftubators get there QB round 1 True Fans get a Left Tackle round 2 we'd all be happy.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 05:50 PM
Latest Walters has RGIII going #2 overall.

If you look around, there are a few places saying RG3 wants to get his masters next year.

I dont think he will be in this draft, but if he is he should be neck and neck with Barkley after his game this past weekend.

He really stepped up when his team needed him to and against really good competition.

...

Even if he does declare, I wouldnt trade up to select him...Id trade up for Barkley, but I dont think Id trade whole draft for a guy that would be a 1 year (minimum) project in our system.

Who knows though, the kid is smart as all beat hell. Maybe he could pick it up faster than I think.

At this point, I really dont care...I just want that warm cozy feeling (that I have NEVER had) that our team just might have a real QB somewhere in the mix.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 05:53 PM
I'm going to go at this from a realistic stance as to who I think will be the Chiefs next QB...

In no particular order:

Stanzi
Jones
RG3
Tannehill
Cousins
Foles - Don't want. I was high on the kid at the start of the year, but he's been garbage lately and has thrown 517 passes to match what QB's have done with 350-400 passes
Lindley - Don't want, but he fits the mold of a Pioli QB
Moore

Everyone else on the list I wouldn't have a problem with, given that they are drafted in their respected rounds.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 05:54 PM
If you look around, there are a few places saying RG3 wants to get his masters next year.

I dont think he will be in this draft, but if he is he should be neck and neck with Barkley after his game this past weekend.

He really stepped up when his team needed him to and against really good competition.

...

Even if he does declare, I wouldnt trade up to select him...Id trade up for Barkley, but I dont think Id trade whole draft for a guy that would be a 1 year (minimum) project in our system.

Who knows though, the kid is smart as all beat hell. Maybe he could pick it up faster than I think.

At this point, I really dont care...I just want that warm cozy feeling (that I have NEVER had) that our team just might have a real QB somewhere in the mix.

The successes of Bradford and Newton have really caused me to wonder about the time frame in developing a QB. Anymore, it seems like talent (coupled with league rules that highly favor the passing attack) is trumping development time.

KC native
11-21-2011, 05:55 PM
Griffin means another year of Cassel for sure. The guy has the tools to be good but he'll be a bit of a project.

A project? WTF are you talking about? That kid will be ready to play day 1 in the NFL.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 05:55 PM
The successes of Bradford and Newton have really caused me to wonder about the time frame in developing a QB. Anymore, it seems like talent (coupled with league rules that highly favor the passing attack) is trumping development time.

:spock:

KC native
11-21-2011, 05:57 PM
If you look around, there are a few places saying RG3 wants to get his masters next year.

I dont think he will be in this draft, but if he is he should be neck and neck with Barkley after his game this past weekend.

He really stepped up when his team needed him to and against really good competition.

...

Even if he does declare, I wouldnt trade up to select him...Id trade up for Barkley, but I dont think Id trade whole draft for a guy that would be a 1 year (minimum) project in our system.

Who knows though, the kid is smart as all beat hell. Maybe he could pick it up faster than I think.

At this point, I really dont care...I just want that warm cozy feeling (that I have NEVER had) that our team just might have a real QB somewhere in the mix.

Be the #2 qb picked or finish a masters that you can finish later? RGIII is going pro.

58kcfan89
11-21-2011, 05:57 PM
I can absolutely see this team losing out.

Here's a list of teams with 3 wins or less:

Indy, Carolina, Minnesota, STL, Arizona, Jacksonville, Miami and Washington.

Indy will absolutely pick ahead of us.

Of the remaining teams, Carolina, Minnesota, STL, Arizona and Jacksonville all have high picks at QB or just traded for a guy.

Miami is going to win a few more games.

That leaves Washington and the 4-6 teams - Cleveland, Philly, San Diego, Seattle and Tampa.

Every one of those teams will win a few more games - except for Cleveland.

There's going to be an opportunity to trade up.

That's pretty much my point. Our best bet to win a game from here on out is probably at Denver, which I don't see us winning.

And yeah, plenty of teams currently in front of us who look good.

I'm fairly sure we'll have a really really high pick. And we better fucking take a QB.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 05:57 PM
:spock:

Great first year, down second, but the kid has clearly flashed a lot of talent. Not his problem that he's surrounded by a dog shit team. Put him on the Chiefs with our skill players, when they're healthy of course, and he would be insane.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 05:59 PM
Great first year, down second, but the kid has clearly flashed a lot of talent. Not his problem that he's surrounded by a dog shit team. Put him on the Chiefs with our skill players, when they're healthy of course, and he would be insane.

I would expect ANY QB to have success with the offensive weapons the Chiefs have, which is why I want Cassel gone yesterday.

The Rams switched to a pass offense and Bradford has been complete garbage ever since. What happened to the QB fixes a lot of problems? Bradford was overrated, and apparently still is.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 06:03 PM
Great first year, down second, but the kid has clearly flashed a lot of talent. Not his problem that he's surrounded by a dog shit team. Put him on the Chiefs with our skill players, when they're healthy of course, and he would be insane.

absolutely this.

Id love to have Bradford.

What if they get the top pick and want to move Bradford?

Id surely be one of the first ones on the line asking the cost....but you would surely have to figure in the amount of his contract and that would likely bring the cost down a little.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 06:04 PM
A project? WTF are you talking about? That kid will be ready to play day 1 in the NFL.

Not true.

KC native
11-21-2011, 06:05 PM
Not true.

You are fucking more retarded than I ever thought possible.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 06:05 PM
I would expect ANY QB to have success with the offensive weapons the Chiefs have, which is why I want Cassel gone yesterday.

The Rams switched to a pass offense and Bradford has been complete garbage ever since. What happened to the QB fixes a lot of problems? Bradford was overrated, and apparently still is.

Bullshit.

The guy got a HAS and that has fucked with his mechanics and delivery.

When healthy, he is one of, if not the most, accurate quarterbacks in the game.

Id love to have him.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 06:05 PM
Bullshit.

The guy got a HAS and that has ****ed with his mechanics and delivery.

When healthy, he is one of, if not the most, accurate quarterbacks in the game.

Id love to have him.

:spock: He threw for barely over 60% last year.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 06:07 PM
A project? WTF are you talking about? That kid will be ready to play day 1 in the NFL.

Maybe if the team that drafted him was desperate enough to develop a playbook built strictly to his strengths like Carolina did with Cam...but as far as a real NFL offense, he is absolutely a project.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 06:07 PM
:spock: He threw for barely over 60% last year.

So your evidence for his lack of accuracy is a completion percentage of over 60% in his n00b year after coming from a spread offense in college?

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 06:07 PM
You are ****ing more retarded than I ever thought possible.

Because I said Griffin is a project? ROFL He certainly is.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 06:08 PM
Maybe if the team that drafted him was desperate enough to develop a playbook built strictly to his strengths like Carolina did with Cam...but as far as a real NFL offense, he is absolutely a project.

The sky is falling we agree on something.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 06:08 PM
:spock: He threw for barely over 60% last year.

Fuck the stats

watch the games and take into account the factors at play or STFU

KC native
11-21-2011, 06:08 PM
Maybe if the team that drafted him was desperate enough to develop a playbook built strictly to his strengths like Carolina did with Cam...but as far as a real NFL offense, he is absolutely a project.

RGIII went from being a run first qb last year to a pass first qb this year. The kid is ready to play day 1. He's obviously very intelligent by already wrapping up a bachelors and starting on a Masters. The kid has the physical talents and the mental capability to start from day 1.

the Talking Can
11-21-2011, 06:09 PM
RG3 breaks the pocket and fires a bomb to Baldwin.....



let's make that happen

jd1020
11-21-2011, 06:09 PM
So your evidence for his lack of accuracy is a completion percentage of over 60% in his n00b year after coming from a spread offense in college?

I forgot going from a spread to a pro style offense ****s with your ability to throw a football. My bad.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 06:09 PM
**** the stats

watch the games and take into account the factors at play or STFU

What factors am I suppose to take into account, exactly?

BossChief
11-21-2011, 06:09 PM
The sky is falling we agree on something.

YOU'RE FINALLY RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING!!!!!

:clap:

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 06:10 PM
I forgot going from a spread to a pro style offense ****s with your throwing capability. My bad.

Timing and footwork would not have been obstacles for Bradford.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 06:11 PM
Timing and footwork would not have been obstacles for Bradford.

No. Not throwing 20 screens a game would.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 06:12 PM
RGIII went from being a run first qb last year to a pass first qb this year. The kid is ready to play day 1. He's obviously very intelligent by already wrapping up a bachelors and starting on a Masters. The kid has the physical talents and the mental capability to start from day 1.

His mechanics and pocket poise will need work.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 06:12 PM
No. Not throwing 20 screens a game would.

Did you watch him play in college?

jd1020
11-21-2011, 06:12 PM
Did you watch him play in college?

Do you watch him play in the NFL?

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 06:13 PM
Did you watch him play in college?

Are you talking about Bradford? I thought the draftubators hated guys who couldn't throw with accuracy more than 10 yards?

Chris Meck
11-21-2011, 06:23 PM
Bradford was over 60% as a rookie. Better than Manning. Yeah, I'd take him and forget about QB for 15 years. Better pump up that line though!

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-21-2011, 09:19 PM
Bradford played in the most simplistic offense imaginable. He had one of the worst YPA in the league despite having a completion % over 60.

whoman69
11-21-2011, 10:44 PM
I think the most optimistic homers here could realistically imagine the Chiefs getting to 7 wins. More likely the number is 5. 18 teams already have 5. Any ties are going to hurt as we probably beat any team in strength of schedule. I see these teams finishing worse than the Chiefs:

Indianapolis (obviously)
St. Louis
Carolina
Minnesota
Washington (games against Minnesota and Seattle are perhaps winnable)
Jacksonville

The teams currently behind the Chiefs who should pass them:
Miami
Arizona

Chiefs are currently tied with but should be surpassed by:
Cleveland (least positive)
San Diego
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia
Seattle

The Chiefs should end up somewhere 6-10. Four of those teams have taken a QB in the first in the last two drafts. That should be enough to get RGIII after Indy takes Luck and Washington takes Barkley. Rumor out of Washington is they could be looking for Manning.