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JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:00 PM
I know it looked bad on TV. And on the scoreboard. But from inside the stadium it looked different. The Chiefs D did a good job pressuring the Pats in the first half. They had two blown plays against Gronk and he made them pay. On offense, Palko looked much better than Cassel; considering the circumstances (thrown into starting @ NE on MNF) he looked decent. He had two tipped-ball INTs that could've been caught, and one Casselish INT in the EZ. I said the Chiefs had to play perfect, which they didn't, but the story of this game was basically two passes to Gronk, a PR by Edelman, and two tipped INTs.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 10:00 PM
3 points on the worst D in football is bad...

Count Zarth
11-21-2011, 10:01 PM
Fuck you and your coach for going for it on 4th down and clubbing our seals.

Enjoy karma biting you in the ass with another first-round playoff exit.

Get fucked.

BryanBusby
11-21-2011, 10:02 PM
Some of the players tried their best considering the limitations (noodle arm QB, literal retard offensive coordinator), but it was as bad as it looked.

L.A. Chieffan
11-21-2011, 10:03 PM
Agreed.

DBOSHO
11-21-2011, 10:03 PM
The first one to breaston wouldve been an amazing catch.

The second one was a horrible horrible throw.

Both were on palko.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 10:03 PM
Those tipped balls were the result of inaccurate passes. Palko looked like absolute shit.

And Pioli is a fucking lost sapling who is dying because of his distance from the mother-hooded tree.

Bearcat
11-21-2011, 10:03 PM
Cassel once hit the crossbar after throwing 35 yard hail mary.

I think Palko would need to be inside the red zone to get it into the endzone in the air.

Iconic
11-21-2011, 10:04 PM
Looking back at the 4th down call. Even Brady kind of felt like a dick. Check his BL.

Regardless, who cares if they went for it on 4th. We couldn't stop them and that's all that matters.

JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:04 PM
**** you and your coach for going for it on 4th down and clubbing our seals.

Enjoy karma biting you in the ass with another first-round playoff exit.

Get ****ed.

Oh, go cry in your maxi pad, bitch. What the fuck was Haley doing calling two timeouts in a row, down 27-3 with 5 minutes to go? I never understand why it's okay for the losing team to keep trying but not the winning team.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 10:05 PM
Oh, go cry in your maxi pad, bitch. What the **** was Haley doing calling two timeouts in a row, down 27-3 with 5 minutes to go? I never understand why it's okay for the losing team to keep trying but not the winning team.

NE did nothing wrong. Can't stop the opponent? Tough shit.

notorious
11-21-2011, 10:06 PM
I want my team to be the team that opposing fans bitch about running up the score.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 10:06 PM
The Chiefs can be summed up with their decision to not go for it on 4th and 6inches on NE's 36 yard line in the first.

Gotta take the delay of game, in that situation, to give your punter some room to work!

ChiefsCountry
11-21-2011, 10:07 PM
3 points on the worst D in football is bad...

Patriots give up yards but they are middle of the pack in scoring defense which is the only defensive stat that matters.

jd1020
11-21-2011, 10:07 PM
Patriots give up yards but they are middle of the pack in scoring defense which is the only defensive stat that matters.

zzzzzzzzz.

JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:09 PM
Actually, Haley didn't help with his weird playcalling. On 4th and 1 you don't go for it, and take a delay call to push you out of FG range, but then you turn around and onside kick to give them the ball at midfield? He also didn't call enough downfield passes, as Palko hit a few and the Pats were sending towelboys in as DBs. I like Haley but from the get-go his coaching smacked of "I don't think we can win and aren't as good". JMO.

Brianfo
11-21-2011, 10:09 PM
**** you and your coach for going for it on 4th down and clubbing our seals.

Enjoy karma biting you in the ass with another first-round playoff exit.

Get ****ed.

Either you stop them or you don't. You sound like a whiney douche. Oh wait, you are a douche.

Lonewolf Ed
11-21-2011, 10:09 PM
I liked the Patriots' attitude, but questioned keeping Brady in there. Why not keep scoring and prevent bizarre things like 4 TD fourth quarter comebacks from happening? Not that the Chiefs would be the ones to do it, but it's good to have your team keeping a merciless attitude toward the opponent. If the Chiefs had that, maybe they'd stop losing to teams with 0-X records coming into Arrowhead, and teams that complete 2 stinking passes the entire game.

Ugly Duck
11-21-2011, 10:09 PM
I never understand why it's okay for the losing team to keep trying

Its just what happens...

BryanBusby
11-21-2011, 10:10 PM
Actually, Haley didn't help with his weird playcalling. On 4th and 1 you don't go for it, and take a delay call to push you out of FG range, but then you turn around and onside kick to give them the ball at midfield? He also didn't call enough downfield passes, as Palko hit a few and the Pats were sending towelboys in as DBs. I like Haley but from the get-go his coaching smacked of "I don't think we can win and aren't as good". JMO.
Anyone that's actually watched this team knew they were going to do exactly what they did. You're just stating the obvious here.

We don't know why Todd and Muir have the football IQ of a houseplant, but they do.

Okie_Apparition
11-21-2011, 10:10 PM
Did you see Gruden blowing random people under the bleachers

JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:12 PM
Did you see Gruden blowing random people under the bleachers

I was in the EZ and not near the MNF crew... Although Suzie Kolber did go by, and is even cuter in person.

shirtsleeve
11-21-2011, 10:13 PM
NE did nothing wrong. Can't stop the opponent? Tough shit.

I want my team to be the team that opposing fans bitch about running up the score.

Throwing on that third down was trying to run up the score . After the penalty, running on two consecutive plays, 3rd and 4th down was not.

Patriots give up yards but they are middle of the pack in scoring defense which is the only defensive stat that matters.

Yeah, they are approaching the top third in the league in pts against. Sometimes when you are up, you let the other team move the ball and eat clock for you.


Numbahs is right. This game was a lot closer than the score. And the Chiefs never quit.

notorious
11-21-2011, 10:15 PM
Ya, it felt a lot more like 27-3 instead of 34-3.

ClamChowdah
11-21-2011, 10:16 PM
We should be beating the teams like the Chiefs by more than 31 points, Belichick won't be happy, we were expecting a minimum of FITTY POINTS.

Bwana
11-21-2011, 10:19 PM
We should be beating the teams like the Chiefs by more than 31 points, Belichick won't be happy, we were expecting a minimum of FITTY POINTS.

It's STFU time.

shirtsleeve
11-21-2011, 10:20 PM
Ya, it felt a lot more like 27-3 instead of 34-3.

Like Numbahs said, that game was a half dozen plays from a pick em game.

Your team hit like hammers too. I am fearing looking at the injury report.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 10:21 PM
Go back to Patriots Planet and take that other Patriots glutton with you.

aturnis
11-21-2011, 10:22 PM
JD. What is with the Patriots OL taking cheap shots after the play? Saw it at least twice. Once Marcus Cannon hauls off and flings all 190lbs. of Arenas, who had his back to Cannon, across the field after the play for no reason. The two didn't engage at all on the play.

Then later, on the Pats 4th down TD pass that was nullified, Mankins hauls off and rails Amon Gordon who had his back to Mankins for no apparent reason...

What gives?

58kcfan89
11-21-2011, 10:26 PM
Like Numbahs said, that game was a half dozen plays from a pick em game.

Your team hit like hammers too. I am fearing looking at the injury report.

You could say the same about any NFL game.

Actually, I take that back. A close NFL game usually has about 2 or 3 plays that really help decide the outcome...

Phobia
11-21-2011, 10:27 PM
How can anybody say a team wasn't bad when they can't close anything? When they can't score more than 3 points? When they score 16 points in 12 quarters? They're awful and they really only have themselves to blame.

shirtsleeve
11-21-2011, 10:27 PM
Go back to Patriots Planet and take that other Patriots glutton with you.

Hey. I dont post there any more, and that chowdah troll can pound sand.

JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:27 PM
JD. What is with the Patriots OL taking cheap shots after the play? Saw it at least twice. Once Marcus Cannon hauls off and flings all 190lbs. of Arenas, who had his back to Cannon, across the field after the play for no reason. The two didn't engage at all on the play.

Then later, on the Pats 4th down TD pass that was nullified, Mankins hauls off and rails Amon Gordon who had his back to Mankins for no apparent reason...

What gives?

Cannon was probably just overexcited; he's been on PUP getting cancer treatment and tonight was his first NFL action. Mankins is just a dirty bastard; on Patriots Planet we call him Nutpunch, as he did that to an opponent early in his career.

Honestly, the Pats OL was probably just mad, after getting their shit pushed in for the whole first half. We were booing before the first TD when Brady got sacked near their own EZ; in the stadium, it looked like they were gonna get Brady killed.

Bacon Cheeseburger
11-21-2011, 10:28 PM
With all due respect, go fuck yourself. This fucking team is a goddamned atrocity.

Phobia
11-21-2011, 10:30 PM
Really appreciate the well-intentioned thread. Honestly. But no amount of encouragement and bull-shit can make anybody feel good about the Chiefs.

Backwards Masking
11-21-2011, 10:31 PM
Go back to Patriots Planet and take that other Patriots glutton with you.

No sh*t. Only a Moron or a Braggart would start a thread after he Chiefs lose by 31 saying "aside from two huge pass plays, a PR, 3 INTs and a botched onside kick, they played pretty good."

I guess that's why he's both.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-21-2011, 10:32 PM
The Patriots model is a complete fraud and no amount of Pioli fluffing is going to change that. You have the only important factors, enjoy it and just call a spade a spade.

Backwards Masking
11-21-2011, 10:33 PM
Really appreciate the well-intentioned thread.

I wouldn't consider back handed compliements "well intentioned".

Phobia
11-21-2011, 10:35 PM
I wouldn't consider back handed compliements "well intentioned".

JD is a quality poster here. He doesn't go out of his way to be a dick. I think this thread is sincere. But Chiefs fans are so badly battered it will fall on deaf ears.

kcpasco
11-21-2011, 10:35 PM
The Patriots model is a complete fraud and no amount of Pioli fluffing is going to change that. You have the only important factors, enjoy it and just call a spade a spade.

Yep. The Patriot way starts and ends with Tom Brady.

LiveSteam
11-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Does she have a name? I must see her naked
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar12119_3.gif

JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Really appreciate the well-intentioned thread. Honestly. But no amount of encouragement and bull-shit can make anybody feel good about the Chiefs.

Well... Cassel's still gone and Palko > Cassel, so there's that. :shrug:

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Yep. The Patriot way starts and ends with Tom Brady.

Completely disagree. It's about demanding secrecy, holding hands, and trading picks in order to draft TEs.

Deberg_1990
11-21-2011, 10:38 PM
Yep. The Patriot way starts and ends with Tom Brady.

The Patriot way is Tom "Freakin" Brady. Without him Bill Bellichek is the Browns 93-98.

ClamChowdah
11-21-2011, 10:38 PM
Yep. The Patriot way starts and ends with Tom Brady.

Bill Belichick disapproves of this theory.

We got WR/KR playing DB and LB we're so banged up, the Patriot way baby, winning football.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 10:38 PM
Completely disagree. It's about demanding secrecy, holding hands, and trading picks in order to draft TEs.

The secret is is Left Tackles. Light, Cannon, and Solder are all pretty good. We'd be a playoff team with any of those 3.

shirtsleeve
11-21-2011, 10:39 PM
So throwing from the one yard line is running up the score. But running from the one yard line is not running up the score.

I would LOVE to hear you explain this. Just give me a sec to grab a beer and put on my tin foil hat. :thumb:

Well, when you are throwing up by more than three scores, its blatent you are taking advantage of a team geared to stop the run in that situation. I wonder why they did that. That is not typical of the Patriots in that situation.

The run plays after the penalty were just pound it at the D, everyone knows what the play is, just stop it. The 4th down run took an easy 3 points off the board. They ran it right at a D geared to stop the run instead.

BossChief
11-21-2011, 10:40 PM
Anybody else get reminded of Thigpen tonight?

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 10:40 PM
LMAO. Solder. The FB/TE/RT. What a disaster.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 10:41 PM
Anybody else get reminded of Thigpen tonight?

Nope. Those Herm coached teams were undermanned but they atleast kept it close.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 10:41 PM
Anybody else get reminded of Thigpen tonight?

Nope. It looked like '09 Pennington with a torn rotator cuff.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-21-2011, 10:41 PM
LMAO. Solder. The FB/TE/RT. What a disaster.

WTF was that shit?

jd1020
11-21-2011, 10:42 PM
Well... Cassel's still gone and Palko > Cassel, so there's that. :shrug:

The only part of Palko's game that is better than Cassel's is his ability to find other receivers. Everything else is either as bad or horrifically worse.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-21-2011, 10:42 PM
I got 99 problems but a QB ain't one.

DeezNutz
11-21-2011, 10:43 PM
WTF was that shit?

A typical Tree draft pick.

JD10367
11-21-2011, 10:45 PM
I wouldn't consider back handed compliements "well intentioned".

That's okay, as I wouldn't consider your opinion of me important, since I have 10x the posts and two years' longevity on you.

Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em. From inside the stadium, the Chiefs looked better than that score, especially in the first half. They certainly have issues, but so do most teams (especially in the AFCW). I doubt Palko is the QBOTF but he seems to bring more to the table than Cassel. If I thought the Chiefs looked like total ass wire-to-wire, I wouldn't have made the thread. I do like the Chiefs, after all.

Oh, and, clamchowda, you can STFU and go away now, you embarrassment of a Patriots fan. Even the relative intelligence of myself, Amnorix, and shirtsleeve is hard-pressed to counter your idiocy.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 10:46 PM
Amnorix is a jerkoff he needs to leave.

Phobia
11-21-2011, 10:48 PM
Oh, and, clamchowda, you can STFU and go away now, you embarrassment of a Patriots fan. Even the relative intelligence of myself, Amnorix, and shirtsleeve is hard-pressed to counter your idiocy.
He's going to go away. No worries about that. There is absolutely no reason to keep your foot on the collective throat of Chiefs fans while the noose is already around our neck. Trolling has a time and place. It is no longer the time.

Chocolate Hog
11-21-2011, 10:53 PM
JFC

Bill Maas
Way to ho roomie! Great job by you Palko. You just secured an NFL ROSTER for as long as you want. You were calm , cool , confident, as I always knew you would be. I have witnessed your dedication. You have earned this. The future is yours.
Like 5 minutes ago near Lees Summit

Bacon Cheeseburger
11-21-2011, 11:09 PM
Bellichek is actually spelled "Bellichick"

Bellichick coached the Browns from 91-to 95, not 93 to 98.

Actually Bellichick took what had been a 3-13 Browns team and within three seasons turned it into an 11-5 playoff team,

Thanks for playing. Your score for this round is: PHAIL.
LMAO You fail as well. It's "Belichick".

Fruit Ninja
11-21-2011, 11:14 PM
lol sad thing is Palko has better pocket presence then cassel, the ball looks better when he throws it short yardage, but the deep ball looks just as shitty as cassel. lol

Either way, its more of the same. Palko shouldnt be starting, it has to be the rookie, its like seriously why not. lol I dont see how starting Palko is better then starting Stanzi. If palko was in his first or 2nd year, then id be like ok, but he's not.

Reaper16
11-21-2011, 11:15 PM
Troll.

BushyTheBeaver
11-21-2011, 11:18 PM
LMAO You fail as well. It's "Belichick".

:shake:

:doh!:

ROFL

shirtsleeve
11-21-2011, 11:21 PM
If you are going to use that logic, then even trying to run the ball was "running up the score." Because pass or run, either way the Patriots were trying to score,. And you object to that. That's really your point isn't it?

Not really. When a team runs straight at a D who is stacked against the run, its up to the D to out execute th O, and prevent the score. its an open book exam with no time limit. Passing in that situation is to test from a different book.

Brock
11-21-2011, 11:36 PM
JFC

Bill Maas
Way to ho roomie! Great job by you Palko. You just secured an NFL ROSTER for as long as you want. You were calm , cool , confident, as I always knew you would be. I have witnessed your dedication. You have earned this. The future is yours.
Like 5 minutes ago near Lees Summit

:LOL: WTF

BushyTheBeaver
11-21-2011, 11:37 PM
Not really. When a team runs straight at a D who is stacked against the run, its up to the D to out execute th O, and prevent the score. its an open book exam with no time limit. Passing in that situation is to test from a different book.

So its unfair to pass in goal line situations? WTF is is your point? Outside of you're pissed that the Chiefs lost, I truly can't figure out what it is? Were you picked on as a child? Do you think that in war our #1 obligation is to be sensitive to our enemy's needs and wants? Help me out here. :huh:

Count Zarth
11-21-2011, 11:38 PM
Bill Maas is a fucking retard who took too many hits to the head.

shirtsleeve
11-21-2011, 11:42 PM
So its unfair to pass in goal line situations? WTF is is your point? Outside of you're pissed that the Chiefs lost, I truly can't figure out what it is? Were you picked on as a child? Do you think that in war our #1 obligation is to be sensitive to our enemy's needs and wants? Help me out here. :huh:

ROFL

Bushy! I'm a Pats fan...and someone you know...

:LOL:

No Im not pissed. I am pointing out that to run the ball is to give the D every opportunity to stop it.

Halfcan
11-22-2011, 12:08 AM
The Chiefs can be summed up with their decision to not go for it on 4th and 6inches on NE's 36 yard line in the first.

Gotta take the delay of game, in that situation, to give your punter some room to work!

:thumb: Exactly but then you try a stoopid fake kick off-LOL WTF-Haley is the worst coach I have ever seen-if he was a little league coach-parents would be pulling their kids off the team.

shirtsleeve
11-22-2011, 12:09 AM
I know mon. I 'member you from the planet. thumb: But I disagree with you on this point. A) there are passes that are indistinguishable from runs, and these include 3rd and 4th and goal situations. Passing is not "magic."

It was the lack of a stripper pole that threw you off, I know...

I guess here we differ.

Halfcan
11-22-2011, 12:11 AM
I know it looked bad on TV. And on the scoreboard. But from inside the stadium it looked different. The Chiefs D did a good job pressuring the Pats in the first half. They had two blown plays against Gronk and he made them pay. On offense, Palko looked much better than Cassel; considering the circumstances (thrown into starting @ NE on MNF) he looked decent. He had two tipped-ball INTs that could've been caught, and one Casselish INT in the EZ. I said the Chiefs had to play perfect, which they didn't, but the story of this game was basically two passes to Gronk, a PR by Edelman, and two tipped INTs.

The last INT was not a tipped ball-it was a lame duck pass thrown in triple coverage.

Why is fucko even on our team-he is horrible. Hell bring Ryan Leaf out of retirement-he would throw better.

crazycoffey
11-22-2011, 01:19 AM
I can see the homer lights a bit, yeah we came in strong, and all game had some decent defensive stands, holding the mighty bratriots to 3 and outs. And yes palko looked better than cassel more than he looked as bad as cassel. we went in at halftime respectfully and came out a high school drama team that couldn't play football.

At the end of the day, we were beaten. And it sucks to see it. Even though I didn't really expect us to beat NE and I let the first half get my hopes up, and the thought of all our players playing would field a better team, I'm just tired of seeing us lose....

SenselessChiefsFan
11-22-2011, 06:16 AM
I know it looked bad on TV. And on the scoreboard. But from inside the stadium it looked different. The Chiefs D did a good job pressuring the Pats in the first half. They had two blown plays against Gronk and he made them pay. On offense, Palko looked much better than Cassel; considering the circumstances (thrown into starting @ NE on MNF) he looked decent. He had two tipped-ball INTs that could've been caught, and one Casselish INT in the EZ. I said the Chiefs had to play perfect, which they didn't, but the story of this game was basically two passes to Gronk, a PR by Edelman, and two tipped INTs.

Tipped passes? That were well behind the WR's. Palko had more help that Cassel gets. The Chiefs were decisive in play calling, got in and out of the huddle quickly and got up to the line and snapped the ball.

Palko was snapping the ball at about the same time that Cassel was finally getting the playcall.

Cassel isn't 'elite'...but he is at least average. Cassel hasn't been given the kind of coaching support and freedom that Palko was last night. Palko was allowed to just turn it loose with no expectations.

Cassel is a much better QB.

As far as the defense goes..... they hung in there for a while. But, as the emotion drained out and the offense continued to sputter, their hearts just weren't in it.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 06:31 AM
Tipped passes? That were well behind the WR's. Palko had more help that Cassel gets. The Chiefs were decisive in play calling, got in and out of the huddle quickly and got up to the line and snapped the ball.

BS. They got in and out of the huddle quickly BECAUSE OF PALKO. He was hustling into and out of the huddle on every play, at least until they got the punt return to go up 27-3.

Palko was snapping the ball at about the same time that Cassel was finally getting the playcall.

Yep, because Palko understood the needed tempo. Cassel doesn't.

Cassel isn't 'elite'...but he is at least average. Cassel hasn't been given the kind of coaching support and freedom that Palko was last night. Palko was allowed to just turn it loose with no expectations.

BS. BS. BS. Cassel has been allowed to be the starter for nearly 3 years after repeatedly proving he doesn't deserve it. That's not just "support" that's BABYING. They done everything they can to help Cassel, he's just a lost cause.

The Bad Guy
11-22-2011, 06:31 AM
Those tipped balls were the result of inaccurate passes. Palko looked like absolute shit.

And Pioli is a ****ing lost sapling who is dying because of his distance from the mother-hooded tree.

It's just hilarious how Pioli doesn't want to put his own stamp on anything. It's all recycled second hand BB nonsense. Dimitroff actually formulated his own ideas and isn't some dummy sitting on BB's lap, which is why the Falcons compete every year.

GloryDayz
11-22-2011, 06:36 AM
I want my team to be the team that opposing fans bitch about running up the score.

Pick a new team.... ROFLLMAOROFLLMAO

SenselessChiefsFan
11-22-2011, 06:39 AM
BS. They got in and out of the huddle quickly BECAUSE OF PALKO. He was hustling into and out of the huddle on every play, at least until they got the punt return to go up 27-3.



Yep, because Palko understood the needed tempo. Cassel doesn't.



BS. BS. BS. Cassel has been allowed to be the starter for nearly 3 years after repeatedly proving he doesn't deserve it. That's not just "support" that's BABYING. They done everything they can to help Cassel, he's just a lost cause.

Cassel can't force the coaches to get the playcall into him any quicker. How many times have we seen Cassel yelling to the sidelines about getting the freaking playcall?

Cassel has looked like a legitamite NFL QB in two of the four years he has started. In New England he had McDaniels....looked good. First year starting, went 10-5.

Then, he had Gailey, then Haley his first year in KC.... sucked.

Then, he got Weis. Offensive player of the month, pro bowl selection.

Then, he gets Muir, which is just Haley as OC again..... sucks.

Do you see a pattern? Look, I am not saying the guy is great, but he is much better than Palko and a decent starting QB when you give him a decent coordinator.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 06:50 AM
Cassel can't force the coaches to get the playcall into him any quicker. How many times have we seen Cassel yelling to the sidelines about getting the freaking playcall?

I was at the Minnesota game. I watched him come off the field. I watched Haley TRY to pat him on the back and give him some coaching after Cassel went full retard and grounded a screen pass. I watched Cassel throw a hissy fit for NO REASON.

The reason Cassel is yelling at the sidelines is because he's a baby.

We saw the sideline cams last night. We saw the discussions in the headsets. We saw Haley's mouth moving. We saw Muir talking. We saw Zorn in Haley's ear several times. The only moving part that was significantly different - the QB.

Cassel has looked like a legitamite NFL QB in two of the four years he has started. In New England he had McDaniels....looked good. First year starting, went 10-5.

Then, he had Gailey, then Haley his first year in KC.... sucked.

Then, he got Weis. Offensive player of the month, pro bowl selection.

Then, he gets Muir, which is just Haley as OC again..... sucks.

Do you see a pattern? Look, I am not saying the guy is great, but he is much better than Palko and a decent starting QB when you give him a decent coordinator.

I see a pattern - a pattern of excuses. Cassel is a serviceable QB when you protect him with playcalling, nothing more.

Amnorix
11-22-2011, 06:54 AM
3 points on the worst D in football is bad...


This "worst D in football" thing is overstated. The NFL, for some silly reason, ranks offense/defense by YARDS, not points.

Pats are middle of the pack in points allowed, the only stat that matters. The Chiefs piled up lots of yards, just like everyone does. But when you say "3 points on the worst D in football", you're mixing stats -- points versus yards.

Amnorix
11-22-2011, 06:58 AM
Palko doesn't look much like an NFL QB, I will say that.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-22-2011, 06:59 AM
I was at the Minnesota game. I watched him come off the field. I watched Haley TRY to pat him on the back and give him some coaching after Cassel went full retard and grounded a screen pass. I watched Cassel throw a hissy fit for NO REASON.

The reason Cassel is yelling at the sidelines is because he's a baby.

We saw the sideline cams last night. We saw the discussions in the headsets. We saw Haley's mouth moving. We saw Muir talking. We saw Zorn in Haley's ear several times. The only moving part that was significantly different - the QB.



I see a pattern - a pattern of excuses. Cassel is a serviceable QB when you protect him with playcalling, nothing more.

Here is the thing.... I would love to get a franchise QB. I don't think Cassel is all world, but he is much better than Tyler Freaking Palko.

And, the fact that people are trying to extrapolate last nights performance against the last defense in the league that was further injured into some sort of a comparison is ridiculous.

Cassel has proven he is a capable starter in two years on two different teams. The one constant is that he had a decent OC.

Again, not all world... not beyond upgrade, but a decent starting QB.

The people who think that Palko is an upgrade are blinded by their hate for Cassel.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-22-2011, 07:01 AM
This "worst D in football" thing is overstated. The NFL, for some silly reason, ranks offense/defense by YARDS, not points.

Pats are middle of the pack in points allowed, the only stat that matters. The Chiefs piled up lots of yards, just like everyone does. But when you say "3 points on the worst D in football", you're mixing stats -- points versus yards.

Here is the thing.... the Pats have the worst defense in the league by yardage. They are average in points allowed. But, they also had additional injuries int he secondary.

Palko was given a very soft defense to start against. I don't know that the Chiefs would have won with Cassel, but they would have put up more points.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 07:05 AM
Here is the thing.... I would love to get a franchise QB. I don't think Cassel is all world, but he is much better than Tyler Freaking Palko.

He is better than Tyler Palko. Already said that.

And, the fact that people are trying to extrapolate last nights performance against the last defense in the league that was further injured into some sort of a comparison is ridiculous.

How many injuries in the front 7? How many sacks did they have coming into the game? How many did they have last night?

The QB didn't hold onto the ball for 4 seconds every play and ended up not having to run for his life every other down. SHOCKER.

The people who think that Palko is an upgrade are blinded by their hate for Cassel.

I never said Palko was an upgrade. The only thing Palko did was further prove the point that this team is going nowhere without a REAL QB.

the Talking Can
11-22-2011, 07:07 AM
Cassel can't force the coaches to get the playcall into him any quicker. How many times have we seen Cassel yelling to the sidelines about getting the freaking playcall?

Cassel has looked like a legitamite NFL QB in two of the four years he has started. In New England he had McDaniels....looked good. First year starting, went 10-5.

Then, he had Gailey, then Haley his first year in KC.... sucked.

Then, he got Weis. Offensive player of the month, pro bowl selection.

Then, he gets Muir, which is just Haley as OC again..... sucks.

Do you see a pattern? Look, I am not saying the guy is great, but he is much better than Palko and a decent starting QB when you give him a decent coordinator.

cassel is a piece of shit who averages less than 200 yards passing a game because he's so retarded you have to run an offense for retards


wipe the shit out of your eyes...our passing attack is worst in the league since he arrived....he is terrible

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 07:07 AM
Here is the thing.... the Pats have the worst defense in the league by yardage. They are average in points allowed. But, they also had additional injuries int he secondary.

Palko was given a very soft defense to start against. I don't know that the Chiefs would have won with Cassel, but they would have put up more points.

Here's the thing...Palko wasn't playing when the Chiefs put up 3 points on the mighty Dolphins, AT HOME.

the Talking Can
11-22-2011, 07:10 AM
jamal charles is the only reason people think Cassel was good last year....

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 07:12 AM
cassel is a piece of shit who averages less than 200 yards passing a game because he's so retarded you have to run an offense for retards


wipe the shit out of your eyes...our passing attack is worst in the league since he arrived....he is terrible

In his "good" year last year with Genious Charlie Weis, he averaged 6.9 yards per attempt.

2009 it was 5.9 and this year it was 6.4.

For his career, he's averaged 6.6 yards per attempt - which puts him into a group with Drew Bledsoe, Byron Leftwich, Quincy Carter, JP Losman, and Archie Manning.

Honestly, take a look at this:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

It's pretty sad really.

Count Zarth
11-22-2011, 07:44 AM
That is an interesting list.

The cutoff for "barely adequate" seems to be around 6.8.

Trent Green at an impressive 19th.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 07:47 AM
That is an interesting list.

The cutoff for "barely adequate" seems to be around 6.8.

Trent Green at an impressive 19th.

Look at the Super Bowl QBs. You won't find many below 7.0 that I saw...

EDIT: I see a few Super Bowl losers (runners-up) below 7.0 but a quick scan down to about 6.5 didn't find me any SB winners. Also, look at how many CURRENT QBs are at the top of that list - it's pretty painfully obvious how the game has changed and we haven't changed with it...

DeezNutz
11-22-2011, 07:54 AM
jamal charles is the only reason people think Cassel was good last year....

And our impressively overrated GM is going to bring Cassel back next year as the uncontested starter. You know, and I know it.

OnTheWarpath58
11-22-2011, 07:55 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Haley was calling plays last night?

There were several times they cut to a sideline shot while we were on offense, and during those shots, Haley was clearly looking at his sheet and talking, while Muir was pacing behind him, looking at the sheet but not talking.

Coincidence that this happened several times, or much ado about nothing?

Also, is this the first game Muir has actually been on the sideline? I haven't paid a ton of attention to it, but I know there have been a few games where they've shown Grandpa Simpson up in the coaches box.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 07:56 AM
And our impressively overrated GM is going to bring Cassel back next year as the uncontested starter. You know, and I know it.

Time for me to crawl back under my rock...

:sulk::Lin:

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 07:56 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Haley was calling plays last night?

There were several times they cut to a sideline shot while we were on offense, and during those shots, Haley was clearly looking at his sheet and talking, while Muir was pacing behind him, looking at the sheet but not talking.

Coincidence that this happened several times, or much ado about nothing?

Also, is this the first game Muir has actually been on the sideline? I haven't paid a ton of attention to it, but I know there have been a few games where they've shown Grandpa Simpson up in the coaches box.

Apparently, Haley was calling plays. Several people have mentioned it.

OnTheWarpath58
11-22-2011, 07:58 AM
Apparently, Haley was calling plays. Several people have mentioned it.

Sorry. Haven't bothered to try to catch up on threads, figured they were just filled with whining about the refs.

Dayze
11-22-2011, 08:07 AM
and Keyshawn picked the Chiefs last night. lol. dumbass.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 08:20 AM
Sorry. Haven't bothered to try to catch up on threads, figured they were just filled with whining about the refs.

No. Mostly filled with bitching about Palko and how Cassel is being treated unfairly.

Oh wait, that's really just one person...

ChiTown
11-22-2011, 08:21 AM
No. Mostly filled with bitching about Palko and how Cassel is being treated unfairly.

Oh wait, that's really just one person...

Dude! Good to see you posting again.

OnTheWarpath58
11-22-2011, 08:23 AM
No. Mostly filled with bitching about Palko and how Cassel is being treated unfairly.

Oh wait, that's really just one person...

LEAVE MATT ALONE!

Buehler445
11-22-2011, 08:35 AM
Does she have a name? I must see her naked
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar12119_3.gif

That's from a playboy shoot. She's focking hot.

Reerun_KC
11-22-2011, 08:37 AM
That's from a playboy shoot. She's focking hot.

Link?

Mr. Arrowhead
11-22-2011, 08:39 AM
The only difference between Palko and Cassel is Cassel is 30 million dollars richer

Buehler445
11-22-2011, 08:48 AM
Link?

I don't have one. I just remember "reading" playboy in college and that was one of the shoots.

EDIT: Hillary Fisher.

You're welcome.

the Talking Can
11-22-2011, 08:53 AM
The only difference between Palko and Cassel is Cassel is 30 million dollars richer

and palko has 30 million dollar hair

JD10367
11-22-2011, 09:07 AM
lol sad thing is Palko has better pocket presence then cassel, the ball looks better when he throws it short yardage, but the deep ball looks just as shitty as cassel. lol

Either way, its more of the same. Palko shouldnt be starting, it has to be the rookie, its like seriously why not. lol I dont see how starting Palko is better then starting Stanzi. If palko was in his first or 2nd year, then id be like ok, but he's not.

But how do you know this? Seriously? His first start, he has to come off the bench on MNF against the Patriots in Gillette as a two-TD underdog... and from that you're basing his whole ability? Did you notice that he actually had a much higher completion % than Brady, and only 1 yard less? Yes, his QB rating was bad, but that was skewed by the three picks... two of which could've easily been caught. I'm not saying he's the QBOTF but he already showed he's better than Cassel. Are you ready to throw in the towel on Palko and the season already? The Chiefs are only two games out, and in the AFC a 9-7 record might win that bitch. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Their life signs are failing but the Chiefs aren't dead yet.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 09:11 AM
Are you ready to throw in the towel on Palko and the season already? The Chiefs are only two games out, and in the AFC a 9-7 record might win that bitch. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Their life signs are failing but the Chiefs aren't dead yet.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

Reaper16
11-22-2011, 09:38 AM
Holy shit, it makes my heart sing to see htismaqe back on CP.

OnTheWarpath58
11-22-2011, 09:38 AM
Holy shit, it makes my heart sing to see htismaqe back on CP.

Is it singing Rebecca Black?

FUN FUN FUN

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 09:42 AM
Is it singing Rebecca Black?

FUN FUN FUN

sitting in the front seat, sitting in the back seat...

JD10367
11-22-2011, 09:43 AM
You can't be serious with this, can you?

Why, did they shorten the season to 10 games when I wasn't looking? There are 6 more to go, you know. Are the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers so awesome?

Remaining games:

Raiders: Chi, @ Mia, @ GB, Det, @ KC, SD. That's fucking brutal. Going to Soldier Field is not a gimme even without Cutler. The way Miami's playing, that game won't be easy. At Green Bay, they'll get their ass pounded. Detroit is another tough one. They finish up with two divisionals, meaning their destiny might be well out of their control by then.

Broncos: @ SD, @ Minn, Chi, NE, @ Buff, KC. Easier than Oakland's but no cakewalk. The Chargers are schitzo enough to blow them out with that SD offense. The Vikings is probably a win. The Bears won't be easy. Neither will New England's offense. Buffalo can be pesky especially at home. They finish with KC.

Chargers: Den, @ Jax, Buff, Balt, @ Det, @ Oak. Probably the easiest of the bunch but, still, they have to deal with the Ravens D and playing at Detroit. And they are dead even with KC (4-6, and 1-1 H2H) so if KC takes care of their own business they have little to worry about.

htismaqe
11-22-2011, 09:47 AM
Why, did they shorten the season to 10 games when I wasn't looking? There are 6 more to go, you know. Are the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers so awesome?

Remaining games:

Raiders: Chi, @ Mia, @ GB, Det, @ KC, SD. That's ****ing brutal. Going to Soldier Field is not a gimme even without Cutler. The way Miami's playing, that game won't be easy. At Green Bay, they'll get their ass pounded. Detroit is another tough one. They finish up with two divisionals, meaning their destiny might be well out of their control by then.

Broncos: @ SD, @ Minn, Chi, NE, @ Buff, KC. Easier than Oakland's but no cakewalk. The Chargers are schitzo enough to blow them out with that SD offense. The Vikings is probably a win. The Bears won't be easy. Neither will New England's offense. Buffalo can be pesky especially at home. They finish with KC.

Chargers: Den, @ Jax, Buff, Balt, @ Det, @ Oak. Probably the easiest of the bunch but, still, they have to deal with the Ravens D and playing at Detroit. And they are dead even with KC (4-6, and 1-1 H2H) so if KC takes care of their own business they have little to worry about.

What do you expect the outcome to be even if we do go 9-7 and make the playoffs? We got blown out my Buffalo and Miami for Christ's sake. AT HOME.

Of course, this is a ridiculous discussion anyway. The Chiefs won't win more than 2 remaining games with Palko at QB. He's your "hope" for the playoffs. :(

Frankie
11-22-2011, 09:50 AM
The first one to breaston wouldve been an amazing catch.

The second one was a horrible horrible throw.

Both were on palko.

This.