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Okie_Apparition
11-23-2011, 12:15 PM
I would like to stick to just players

I can only think of 3, people might have a problem with

1) Starting Thomas Jones over Jamaal Charles. Charles didn't seem to care

2) Benard Pollard. He couldn't choose a player over a coordinator(even Pendergast)

3)Chris Chambers. He set him & started less talented WRs. I don't even think Chambers is in the league anymore

Okie_Apparition
11-23-2011, 12:16 PM
I think I'm going to trust him on Stanzi

Molitoth
11-23-2011, 12:16 PM
Matt Cassel.

He should've been on the bench.

Actually, thats not really on Haley since thats all Pioli gave him. Stanzi is too raw most likely... and Palko, ugh.

Zeke
11-23-2011, 12:17 PM
Brian Waters.

He shouldn't have been released.

Okie_Apparition
11-23-2011, 12:17 PM
That's hard to argue against(Cassel)

cmh6476
11-23-2011, 12:20 PM
Kurt Warner

Okie_Apparition
11-23-2011, 12:24 PM
4) Starting/playing(edit) LJ over Charles. Charles was a turnover machine like Jackie Battle in preseason. I'm going to be in the minority on this one

kysirsoze
11-23-2011, 12:24 PM
Brian Waters.

He shouldn't have been released.

I tend to agree, but I think he wouldn't be as good here as he has been in NE. I think the change of scenery helped him and Brady commands that line with a lot more confidence than Cassel

Micjones
11-23-2011, 12:25 PM
I've never disagreed with the way Charles was handled.
The guy had 1,400 yards last season (at 6.4 yards per carry).
Not sure what else you want.

CoMoChief
11-23-2011, 12:27 PM
I don't think he's handled cassel wrong.....I think cassel just sucks and shouldn't be an NFL starter

kysirsoze
11-23-2011, 12:28 PM
I've never disagreed with the way Charles was handled.
The guy had 1,400 yards last season (at 6.4 yards per carry).
Not sure what else you want.

I agree. Unless the potential was there for him to crack 2k or something while avoiding injury which is hard to say. I do think there were a lot of times I would have rather had Charles in to pick up crucial 3rd or 4th downs, but the question in the OP seems a little more big picture than that.

Okie_Apparition
11-23-2011, 12:28 PM
4) Starting/playing(edit) LJ over Charles. Charles was a turnover machine like Jackie Battle in preseason. I'm going to be in the minority on this one

"You can't turnover my football"
That should make a case for Palko's benching

Pestilence
11-23-2011, 12:29 PM
Waters sucked last season. He didn't want to be here.

CoMoChief
11-23-2011, 12:30 PM
BRich over Gaither
Waters release
Shaun Smith
Pope and O'Connell (shouldn't be playing...ever)
Mike Brown
Drafting DMC in the 2nd rd
The entire 2009 draft

MahiMike
11-23-2011, 12:30 PM
4) Starting/playing(edit) LJ over Charles. Charles was a turnover machine like Jackie Battle in preseason. I'm going to be in the minority on this one

This is the one that 1st came to mind for me. How could this have happened? Is Haley that bad of a talent evaluator? The team took off once LJ left.

alpha_omega
11-23-2011, 12:30 PM
All 53?

jd1020
11-23-2011, 12:31 PM
Waters sucked last season. He didn't want to be here.

Got out to save his ACL. Smart move.

CoMoChief
11-23-2011, 12:31 PM
Waters sucked last season. He didn't want to be here.

Waters didn't suck last yr.

Rooster
11-23-2011, 12:31 PM
He should have been nicer to T.O.

BoneKrusher
11-23-2011, 12:34 PM
All 53?

LMAO

Chiefnj2
11-23-2011, 12:37 PM
Starting Niswanger, Goff, Smith and O'Callaghan on OL?

Mays and Williams at LB?

SNR
11-23-2011, 12:38 PM
We could really use Shaun Smith right about now, and we had plenty of cap room. The dude wanted to be here, too. Letting him walk was fucking dumb. I know that's on Pioli, but it's also on Haley to tell Scott what he needs. This team definitely needed Smith.

I'm good with letting Waters go. People don't realize that he'd be sucking a bowl of shit right now if he still played for us. He's back to being on a great offense in New England... is it any wonder that he's playing well for them?

LJ/Charles was pretty bad

Palko over Stanzi was dumb. I realize he was given Cassel and can't do anything about him

It's tough to gauge which players suck because they're bad players and which players suck because of Haley. In terms of personnel choices, though, Haley's got his mix of good and bad decisions.

Again, I think we're talking about his strongest suit as a head coach- getting the most out of his guys. This isn't why I want him fired.

kysirsoze
11-23-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm good with letting Waters go. People don't realize that he'd be sucking a bowl of shit right now if he still played for us. He's back to being on a great offense in New England... is it any wonder that he's playing well for them?


I was fine when we let him walk and I'm not too broken up about it now. That said, the question was did he handle him correctly. He was obviously made to feel unwelcome when the new regime arrived. You can argue that was on him, but who knows. I think feeling appreciated in NE made a big difference with him.

chiefzilla1501
11-23-2011, 12:47 PM
BRich over Gaither
Waters release
Shaun Smith
Pope and O'Connell (shouldn't be playing...ever)
Mike Brown
Drafting DMC in the 2nd rd
The entire 2009 draft

Waters opened the door for Asamoah to start. That was a good long-term decision. And Waters is only playing better because he has a QB that finally makes him look better.

Smith and the 2009 draft were hardly on Haley, nor was drafting DMC.

Brown, Pope, and O'Connell... it's not like they have better options on the roster.

chiefzilla1501
11-23-2011, 12:49 PM
We could really use Shaun Smith right about now, and we had plenty of cap room. The dude wanted to be here, too. Letting him walk was ****ing dumb. I know that's on Pioli, but it's also on Haley to tell Scott what he needs. This team definitely needed Smith.

I'm good with letting Waters go. People don't realize that he'd be sucking a bowl of shit right now if he still played for us. He's back to being on a great offense in New England... is it any wonder that he's playing well for them?

LJ/Charles was pretty bad

Palko over Stanzi was dumb. I realize he was given Cassel and can't do anything about him

It's tough to gauge which players suck because they're bad players and which players suck because of Haley. In terms of personnel choices, though, Haley's got his mix of good and bad decisions.

Again, I think we're talking about his strongest suit as a head coach- getting the most out of his guys. This isn't why I want him fired.

I think from a personnel side, he's made a lot more good than bad decisions.

On Shaun Smith, like most decisions, I don't think Pioli gives a shit what Haley thinks. And that's exactly the problem.

On Palko... I wonder if Haley would start Stanzi if he knew his job was safe. I feel like they may be starting Palko because he feels the pressure to win now.

jd1020
11-23-2011, 12:50 PM
Smith and the 2009 draft were hardly on Haley, nor was drafting DMC.

And you know this how?

FYI, coaches have input on THEIR team.

Mr. Laz
11-23-2011, 12:54 PM
I think from a personnel side, he's made a lot more good than bad decisions.

On Shaun Smith, like most decisions, I don't think Pioli gives a shit what Haley thinks. And that's exactly the problem.

On Palko... I wonder if Haley would start Stanzi if he knew his job was safe. I feel like they may be starting Palko because he feels the pressure to win now.
So Haley is a victim?

chiefzilla1501
11-23-2011, 01:11 PM
So Haley is a victim?

Im not a fly on the wall. But I'm sure Haley didn't beg pioli for less players to work with. I'm sure he didn't beg pioli to load his roster with ex patriots. And given his familiarity with variations of the 3-4 I'm sure he didn't insist on the 2 gap 3-4. The instant Tyson Jackson was drafted it was clear who was dictating the system. The instant Weiss and crennel were hired we should have seen that pioli doesn't have flexibility to move beyond his system.

So yes, I think Haley is the victim of an egomaniac who only knows one way to build a team.

chiefzilla1501
11-23-2011, 01:12 PM
And you know this how?

FYI, coaches have input on THEIR team.

Probably on mccluster. I find it hard to believe Smith wasn't a money decision.

DeepSouth
11-23-2011, 01:17 PM
Will Svitek was the starting left tackle for the Falcons when they beat the Titans last week. He's listed on the depth chart as 2nd string.

dtrain
11-23-2011, 01:22 PM
Making Albert lose weight. Seems he is getting worse every year.

kysirsoze
11-23-2011, 01:23 PM
Making Albert lose weight. Seems he is getting worse every year.

:facepalm:

BoneKrusher
11-23-2011, 01:25 PM
Jamaal Charles

Fritz88
11-23-2011, 01:28 PM
The entire team and coaching staff.
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htismaqe
11-23-2011, 01:48 PM
I can't say that he handled Charles, Bowe, or DJ incorrectly - all of them had not only their best seasons under Haley but catapulted to the top of the league at their respective positions. It's impossible to say if they did so directly BECAUSE of Haley but the simple fact that they did makes it impossible, in my opinion, to say that he handled them wrong.

I think he's handled Albert incorrectly and his philosophy about linemen in general seems to be flawed.

FringeNC
11-23-2011, 02:09 PM
Haley failed to develop Matt Cassel. I think he really, really tried. There was the article in USA Today last year about Haley working with Cassel, not Weis. Ultimately his failure to develop Cassel will cost him his job, and the Chiefs fans another three wasted years.

Matt Cassel is our JaMarcus Russell. Front office forces a QB who doesn't have it on a coach.