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Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 11:10 AM
Assume for the sake of argument KC wins another game or two and finishes somewhere around 13 in the draft. The top 6 are:

1 Colts 0 16
2 Rams 2 14
3 Vikings 2 14
4 Washington 4 12
5 Panthers 4 12
6 Browns 4 12
7 Dolphins 4 12

The Colts are going with Luck and aren't trading. You want to move up for Barkley and/or Griffin. What do you give up for each of them, and which spot are trying to get to?

I'd offer the Vikings the 2012 1st and 2nd, and 2013 1st for RGIII. I'm not sure about Barkley yet.

Dayze
12-16-2011, 11:13 AM
sounds about where I'm at.

I think (assuming they would even consider drafting one) they would probably wait to see what Washington does. If they take another position, or Barkley etc, I get on the phone with Carolina and work out a deal to get up there and take RGIII.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 11:13 AM
Dead horse is dead.

Molitoth
12-16-2011, 11:13 AM
I'd make sure to get Peyton Manning in the offseason and build up the OL.
Then I'd draft a QB with the #1 next year or the Following year.

So, no trade.

Dicky McElephant
12-16-2011, 11:13 AM
I'd offer the Rams our 1st and 3rd this year and our 1st next year.

SNR
12-16-2011, 11:14 AM
Assume for the sake of argument KC wins another game or two and finishes somewhere around 13 in the draft. The top 6 are:

1 Colts 0 16
2 Rams 2 14
3 Vikings 2 14
4 Washington 4 12
5 Panthers 4 12
6 Browns 4 12
7 Dolphins 4 12

The Colts are going with Luck and aren't trading. You want to move up for Barkley and/or Griffin. What do you give up for each of them, and which spot are trying to get to?

I'd offer the Vikings the 2012 1st and 2nd, and 2013 1st for RGIII. I'm not sure about Barkley yet.I could live with that deal

Reerun_KC
12-16-2011, 11:16 AM
I will defer this to Hamas and OTWP...

Sofa King
12-16-2011, 11:16 AM
I'd trade Cassel + Richardson plus out 6th rounder for their 1st this year and 3rd next year.

Dicky McElephant
12-16-2011, 11:19 AM
I'd be interested to see who Washington is interested in. Barkley is mobile enough for Shannahan. We might be able to trade with Carolina at #5.

loochy
12-16-2011, 11:20 AM
50 trabillion dollarzs

SNR
12-16-2011, 11:22 AM
I'd be interested to see who Washington is interested in. Barkley is mobile enough for Shannahan. We might be able to trade with Carolina at #5.We raped Minnesota pretty good on the last trade we did with them. I think we should try again. We might be able to do something like our 2012 1st, 4th, and Glenn Dorsey for their pick LMAO

Dicky McElephant
12-16-2011, 11:29 AM
We raped Minnesota pretty good on the last trade we did with them. I think we should try again. We might be able to do something like our 2012 1st, 4th, and Tyson Jackson for their pick LMAO

FYP

Okie_Apparition
12-16-2011, 11:34 AM
Elway will be dangling Tebow & Miller to move up

jd1020
12-16-2011, 11:35 AM
Elway will be dangling Tebow & Miller to move up

No he wont.

And no one is going to be drooling for Tebow.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 11:36 AM
You could move up to #4 with 1st, 2nd, and 2nd in 2013. To get in Top 3, it would be 1st, 2nd, and 1st round in 2013.

BoneKrusher
12-16-2011, 11:36 AM
Three French hens,
Two turtle doves,
And a partridge in a pear tree.

Okie_Apparition
12-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Elway knows horse trading fool

T-post Tom
12-16-2011, 11:46 AM
I'd trade Muir, Barry R, and Sabby for Aaron Rogers. Then I'd trade in my old Blazer straight up for a new Land Rover.

ChiefButthurt
12-16-2011, 11:50 AM
Trade Jamal Charles for the RGIII pick. Running backs are expendable, QBs are not.

BoneKrusher
12-16-2011, 11:51 AM
Elway knows horse trading fool

maybe

i'm not sure about the turtle doves or the partridge in the pear tree but i'd bet Elway would really like the Three French Hens.

durtyrute
12-16-2011, 11:51 AM
I'm not moving up. They are all a crap shoot, some bigger than others. I'd stay where we're at and draft BPA. If it is a QB so be it. If he comes in the later rounds, that's cool too. Then I'd have said QB and Stanzi battle it out. We start next year with the winner.

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 11:53 AM
Trade Jamal Charles for the RGIII pick. Running backs are expendable, QBs are not..

jd1020
12-16-2011, 11:56 AM
Trade Jamal Charles for the RGIII pick. Running backs are expendable, QBs are not.

You mean the RB who just tore his ACL and probably couldn't even demand 2nd day draft pick without proving himself on the field again?

Reerun_KC
12-16-2011, 11:56 AM
.

He is correct, RB's are fucking a dime a dozen...

You dont invest in RB's in the modern NFL...

They have a very short shelf life..

But now JC is damaged goods, His trade value isnt enought to trade for anything...

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 11:58 AM
He is correct, RB's are ****ing a dime a dozen...

You dont invest in RB's in the modern NFL...

They have a very short shelf life..

But now JC is damaged goods, His trade value isnt enought to trade for anything...

My point was related the last point you made about somone giving a high first for a RB that just tore his ACL.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 12:01 PM
I'm not moving up. They are all a crap shoot, some bigger than others. I'd stay where we're at and draft BPA. If it is a QB so be it. If he comes in the later rounds, that's cool too. Then I'd have said QB and Stanzi battle it out. We start next year with the winner.

Landry Jones v. Ricky Stanzi.

durtyrute
12-16-2011, 12:05 PM
Landry Jones v. Ricky Stanzi.

http://bullshitnotincluded.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/benStillerDoIt.jpg

BoneKrusher
12-16-2011, 12:07 PM
i really dont care how Pioli does it, i just wanna see him set this team up with a legit QB.

Frosty
12-16-2011, 12:15 PM
I bet with the rookie pay slotting, the old trade chart goes out the window and it becomes very expensive to move up. Teams didn't used to want to pick in the top 5 because of the contract size. Now you can get an elite player for a low price, so they are really going to want a team to make it worthwhile to trade down.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 12:25 PM
You could move up to #4 with 1st, 2nd, and 2nd in 2013. To get in Top 3, it would be 1st, 2nd, and 1st round in 2013.

Damn that's steep. Hopefully we could trade Dorsey so it wouldn't take 2 first round picks.

alpha_omega
12-16-2011, 12:30 PM
Not sure....let me consult with Mike Ditka first.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 12:35 PM
If the QB works out, it's damn near impossible to overpay for him, and if he doesn't, you're in the same place you were without him.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 12:39 PM
If the QB works out, it's damn near impossible to overpay for him, and if he doesn't, you're in the same place you were without him.

The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily fucked for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

htismaqe
12-16-2011, 12:41 PM
Landry Jones v. Ricky Stanzi.

I'll take Stanzi.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 12:43 PM
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily fucked for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

No, it wouldn't.

Renegade
12-16-2011, 12:44 PM
i really dont care how Pioli does it, i just wanna see him set this team up with a legit QB.

We had a legit QB in Montana and still couldn't make it to the dance. Everything is a crapshot in this league (and a whole lot of lady luck on your side)

Dicky McElephant
12-16-2011, 12:44 PM
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily fucked for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

How would you be fucked for 4 years?

Micjones
12-16-2011, 12:45 PM
A 1st and a 2nd this year + a 2nd next year.

So you only give up two #2's.
I can live with that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 12:47 PM
We had a legit QB in Montana and still couldn't make it to the dance. Everything is a crapshot in this league (and a whole lot of lady luck on your side)

He was healthy for one year and we won two playoff games. We haven't won another in 18 years, and the the message you get from this is that it's a crapshoot?

Brock
12-16-2011, 12:47 PM
We had a legit QB in Montana and still couldn't make it to the dance. Everything is a crapshot in this league (and a whole lot of lady luck on your side)

Having a legit QB for 1 and 3/4 seasons isn't quite the same as drafting one that you hope will be around for 10 years.

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 12:47 PM
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily ****ed for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

The only players of much value are Johnson, Hali, and Bowe.

suds79
12-16-2011, 12:48 PM
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily ****ed for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

Problem is that player deals rare happen anymore. I don't know if it's cap issues or why that is but you just don't see them that often.

I'm willing to part with some picks to get the guy of the future. Shoot as it stands now, we could have traded away the entire 2009 draft and we'd only be out a kicker.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 12:52 PM
No, it wouldn't.


If the QB is unproductive and you are without a first next year and 2 second round picks you are trying to tell me this wouldn't have a long term effect on the franchise? Bullshit.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 12:52 PM
If the QB is unproductive and you are without a first next year and 2 second round picks you are trying to tell me this wouldn't have a long term effect on the franchise? Bullshit.

Look around you, billay, we're at the threshold of Hell.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 12:54 PM
Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.

Dicky McElephant
12-16-2011, 12:55 PM
If the QB is unproductive and you are without a first next year and 2 second round picks you are trying to tell me this wouldn't have a long term effect on the franchise? Bullshit.

You wouldn't be fucked for 4 years if that happened.

Micjones
12-16-2011, 12:56 PM
Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick


If that were to happen we could stay there and draft either Barkley or Griffin.

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 12:57 PM
Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.

I thought about that and it was pointed out (rightfully so) the Rams would just stand pat and take Blackmon.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 12:58 PM
Damn that's steep. Hopefully we could trade Dorsey so it wouldn't take 2 first round picks.

Hmm it would only be one 1st round pick, Billay. We would be using one on the QB.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:00 PM
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily ****ed for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

How can they be any more fucked than not having a playoff win in two decades and not having a Super Bowl appearance in 4 decades?

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 01:00 PM
Look around you, billay, we're at the threshold of Hell.

We certainly are i'm not denying this but the only way I trade that much is for Luck.

I'd much rather try and dump a guy like Dorsey who let's be honest will never fit in this defense as long as we run a 34. He'd be a great fit in Minnesota IMO.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 01:00 PM
Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.

Because the Colts are going to pass up Luck for that deal.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 01:01 PM
We certainly are i'm not denying this but the only way I trade that much is for Luck.

I'd much rather try and dump a guy like Dorsey who let's be honest will never fit in this defense as long as we run a 34. He'd be a great fit in Minnesota IMO.

Are you prepared to take the 4th round pick he'll fetch?

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 01:03 PM
Are you prepared to take the 4th round pick he'll fetch?

I was saying he would be involved in any trade up to draft a QB but in a stand alone trade yes I would. I don't believe he's much of an asset to this team in the current defense.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:04 PM
I was saying he would be involved in any trade up to draft a QB but in a stand alone trade yes I would. I don't believe he's much of an asset to this team in the current defense.

You realize you'll have to use a 4th or better to get someone of equal or better value?

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 01:05 PM
I thought about that and it was pointed out (rightfully so) the Rams would just stand pat and take Blackmon.
Maybe ... but maybe the would prefer to have a proven/developed NFL WR and not risk Bradford's development by waiting for a rookie WR to learn.

WR's often take the longest to learn and are very risky.

QB,DT and WR are probably the riskiest positions to draft imo.

Buckweath
12-16-2011, 01:06 PM
I`d give AT LEAST this year`s 1st and 3rd and next year`s 1st
This way we can draft a RT with our 2nd round pick and then depth.

This team is all about finding their QB of the future.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 01:08 PM
You realize you'll have to use a 4th or better to get someone of equal or better value?

No way.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 01:10 PM
Because the Colts are going to pass up Luck for that deal.
depends on Manning's health

We don't know what the Colt's are really thinking. Either way they are going to act like they are taking Luck to keep the trade value up.

two top 10 picks would go a long way to helping a Payton Manning led colt's team to being playoff competitive again.

Hey, maybe they really are going to take Luck and move on from Manning, but maybe not. It's worth the risk.

we can always just grab RGIII at #2 if they don't and then we still have the 12th pick to add talent at another position.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:12 PM
depends on Manning's health

We don't know what the Colt's are really thinking. Either way they are going to acted like they are taking Luck to keep the trade value up.

two top 10 picks would go a long way to helping a Payton Manning led colt's team to being playoff competitive again.

Hey, maybe they really are going to take Luck and move on from Manning, but maybe not. It's worth the risk.

we can always just grab RGIII at #2 if they don't and then we still have the 12th pick to add talent at another position.

I'm sure they are pimping Luck to Manning and the fans because they are trying to drive the price up and stay with a broke neck 35 year old QB.

KC Tattoo
12-16-2011, 01:14 PM
Maybe ... but maybe the would prefer to have a proven/developed NFL WR and not risk Bradford's development by waiting for a rookie WR to learn.

WR's often take the longest to learn and are very risky.

QB,DT and WR are probably the riskiest positions to draft imo.

So your just scared to draft a QB? Is that your obsession with retread rehash?

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 01:15 PM
Still think Tannehill could be a good QB given a year or 2 on the bench.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 01:16 PM
I'm sure they are pimping Luck to Manning and the fans because they are trying to drive the price up and stay with a broke neck 35 year old QB.
We don't know and it's worth a try.

Either way we end up with A)Luck or B)RGIII and another pick at #10ish.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:17 PM
Still think Tannehill could be a good QB given a year or 2 on the bench.

I'd take him or Jones with our 10-15 pick. But, with all the reports coming out since the firing of Haley, it seems unlikely a 1st round pick is going to be used on a QB. Pioli seems to think he owes Cassel another chance, or some bullshit.

Have to hope Tannehill falls to our 2nd pick. Doubt it.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:17 PM
We don't know and it's worth a try.

Either way we end up with A)Luck or B)RGIII and another pick at #10ish.

The Rams will take Matt Kalil before they go after a WR.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 01:17 PM
So your just scared to draft a QB? Is that your obsession with retread rehash?
umm ... what?!?! :spock:

Buckweath
12-16-2011, 01:18 PM
How can they be any more ****ed than not having a playoff win in two decades and not having a Super Bowl appearance in 4 decades?

Exactly!! As a Chiefs fan, it enrages me when I see fans say if Barkley or Griffin are gone by our pick, they would be OK drafting a RT or NT and would rather do that than take the next best QB prospect.

This has been mediocre for years and years, drafting a RT or NT will improve this team only marginally if at all. It`s all about drafting Barkley or Griffin.

Robert Griffin, Matt Barkley or total failure. That`s how we have to approach this draft IMO (well unless Landry Jones or whatever else QB prospect can be considered not far behind those two).

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 01:18 PM
I'd take him or Jones with our 10-15 pick. But, with all the reports coming out since the firing of Haley, it seems unlikely a 1st round pick is going to be used on a QB. Pioli seems to think he owes Cassel another chance, or some bullshit.

Have to hope Tannehill falls to our 2nd pick. Doubt it.

2nd round QB aren't worth shit.

BoneKrusher
12-16-2011, 01:18 PM
I'd take him or Jones with our 10-15 pick. But, with all the reports coming out since the firing of Haley, it seems unlikely a 1st round pick is going to be used on a QB. Pioli seems to think he owes Cassel another chance, or some bullshit.

Have to hope Tannehill falls to our 2nd pick. Doubt it.


thats what i was afraid of.

big mistake on Pioli's behalf if it happens.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:20 PM
2nd round QB aren't worth shit.

Drew Brees says hi.

KC Tattoo
12-16-2011, 01:20 PM
umm ... what?!?! :spock:

Never mind, I read your one of your post wrong, what I was thinking.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 01:21 PM
The Rams will take Matt Kalil before they go after a WR.
you don't know that either

I love how people pretend to know everything that is going to happen in the draft each year. DJ won't fall,Dorsey won't be there at 5 blah,blah,blah ... each year we get lectured and it turns out to be shit.

The rams will probably go either WR or OT because Bradford is reaching a critical time and needs to succeed. We don't know what they will do so stop pretending like you do.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 01:22 PM
Drew Brees says hi.

He was the 32 pick which now or one year later would have been a first round pick. Also if Vermeil hadn't traded for Green, he would have been selected at #12.

But history says 2nd round QBs suck major donkey dick. I wouldn't touch one in the 2nd round.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:23 PM
you don't know that either

I love how people pretend to know everything that is going to happen in the draft each year. DJ won't fall,Dorsey won't be there at 5 blah,blah,blah ... each year we get lectured and it turns out to be shit.

The rams will probably go either WR or OT because Bradford is reaching a critical time and needs to succeed. We don't know what they will do so stop pretending like you do.

I'm sure they are going to take a WR over OL when their #1 drafted QB gets killed at least 3 times a game.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:23 PM
Great googily-moogily-jumping-jesus. I can't believe that there are still people unwilling to do what it takes to make a move for a franchise QB prospect. Look at the teams in the playoff hunt.

KC Tattoo
12-16-2011, 01:23 PM
you don't know that either

I love how people pretend to know everything that is going to happen in the draft each year. DJ won't fall,Dorsey won't be there at 5 blah,blah,blah ... each year we get lectured and it turns out to be shit.

The rams will probably go either WR or OT because Bradford is reaching a critical time and needs to succeed. We don't know what they will do so stop pretending like you do.

I read your post as trading for Bradford not #2 pick, my bad.

This is the crazy azz NFL any thing can happen.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:23 PM
He was the 32 pick which now or one year later would have been a first round pick. Also if Vermeil hadn't traded for Green, he would have been selected at #12.

But history says 2nd round QBs suck major donkey dick. I wouldn't touch one in the 2nd round.

Brett Favre says hi.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 01:24 PM
ChiefsCountry might have a point besides Dalton there hasn't been many.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/QB-1980-now.htm

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 01:24 PM
I read your post as trading for Bradford not #2 pick, my bad.

This is the crazy azz NFL any thing can happen.

And trading for Bradford wouldn't be trading for a retread either.

bevischief
12-16-2011, 01:24 PM
Pioli, Cassel, Richardson,Sabby, and a 2nd this year.

Halfcan
12-16-2011, 01:25 PM
And trading for Bradford wouldn't be trading for a retread either.

I would take Bradford in a heartbeat.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 01:26 PM
Brett Favre says hi.

And Kenny Stabler says hi as well. But go ahead and play the odds. Its about the same as wishing for Tom Brady in the 6th.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:27 PM
And Kenny Stabler says hi as well. But go ahead and play the odds. Its about the same as wishing for Tom Brady in the 6th.

You act like the odds of first round QBs are off the charts or something.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 01:29 PM
LOL @ JD thinking he's an expert on the NFL draft and knows what is going to happen when even the REAL experts don't know.

JD knows what the Chiefs head office is planning even though they are Gestapo in their secrecy.

JD knows what the Ram's head office is planning too

omnipotent JD ... he should charge all the NFL GM's money so they they know what everyone else in the league is going to do.

ROFL


This thread is "what would you do " so ...


are all people named JD naggy little bitches? :fire:

KC Tattoo
12-16-2011, 01:29 PM
And trading for Bradford wouldn't be trading for a retread either.

In my mind, it would be. Any QB that has been drafted by another team and played for such team is a retread. They are tainted for puting on there uniform before dawning the Red & Gold. Just because I would love to draft our own guy for QBotf. However my way of thinking could be skewed from what Drew Breez did in New O`leans & if he is young enough to still have 10 years of football play in him then it wouldn't be such a big deal to me.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 01:30 PM
You act like the odds of first round QBs are off the charts or something.

If your goal is to win the Super Bowl, the best odds are to have a first round QB.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:31 PM
LOL @ JD thinking he's an expert on the NFL draft and knows what is going to happen when even the REAL experts don't know.

JD knows what the Chiefs head office is planning even though they are Gestapo in their secrecy.

JD knows what the Ram's head office is planning too

omnipotent JD ... he should charge all the NFL GM's money so they they know what everyone else in the league is going to do.

ROFL


This thread is "what would you do " so ...


are all people named JD naggy little bitches? :fire:

LOL @ Laz. Thinking you can get a first pick in the draft with one of the most highly anticipated QBs in the history of the draft for almost nothing.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:32 PM
If your goal is to win the Super Bowl, the best odds are to have a first round QB.

Ya.. by like 3%.

I'd rather not go full retard for a project like RG3.

Dicky McElephant
12-16-2011, 01:32 PM
In my mind, it would be. Any QB that has been drafted by another team and played for such team is a retread. They are tainted for puting on there uniform before dawning the Red & Gold. Just because I would love to draft our own guy for QBotf. However my way of thinking could be skewed from what Drew Breez did in New O`leans & if he is young enough to still have 10 years of football play in him then it wouldn't be such a big deal to me.

:spock:

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 01:33 PM
Ya.. by like 3%.

I'd rather not go full retard for a project like RG3.

60% of the Super Bowls have been won by 1st round QBs. 40% of have been won by everyone else. That's not 3%.

Halfcan
12-16-2011, 01:34 PM
Chiefs will No take a qb this year imo-they will stick with Castle because he has mucho grande money left on his big Fat contract. Pioli will NOT cut loose of his coach and QB that were suppose to Save the franchise in the same season. His EGO is too BIG to look bad and admit he has made this team Much worse than when he took it over. They will trade down and get a "value" pick and pretty much be the same Cheap team as this year. Clark will act concerned as he is taking those checks to the bank though.

eazyb81
12-16-2011, 01:34 PM
Great googily-moogily-jumping-jesus. I can't believe that there are still people unwilling to do what it takes to make a move for a franchise QB prospect. Look at the teams in the playoff hunt.

The uneasiness more likely surrounds Barkley and/or Griffin being legit franchise QB prospects.

Luck obviously is.

Barkley and Griffin could be, but they don't appear to be slam dunk no-brainers that you mortgage your future on with multiple top draft picks.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:35 PM
60% of the Super Bowls have been won by 1st round QBs. 40% of have been won by everyone else. That's not 3%.

Out of every QB drafted in the first round only like 6% have won a SB.

Halfcan
12-16-2011, 01:35 PM
Ya.. by like 3%.

I'd rather not go full retard for a project like RG3.

I though RG3 had the highest completion % and was the Most accurate Qb this year? Didn't realize he was a "project"??

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:36 PM
I though RG3 had the highest completion % and was the Most accurate Qb this year? Didn't realize he was a "project"??

You thought wrong.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:37 PM
The uneasiness more likely surrounds Barkley and/or Griffin being legit franchise QB prospects.

Luck obviously is.

Barkley and Griffin could be, but they don't appear to be slam dunk no-brainers that you mortgage your future on with multiple top draft picks.

IMO, KC is proof that you mortgage your future just as much, if not more, by not taking a chance on a good QB prospect.

Whats not to like about Griffin?

Chiefs Pantalones
12-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Trevor from Toronto: Will the chiefs target a new QB through trade, free agency or draft this off season? I don't think Cassel is the answer

BW: It depends on the new coach, somewhat. But I do think Scott Pioli -- who brought Cassel from New England -- likes and believes in Cassel. I think Cassel gets another season in Kansas City

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:41 PM
You thought wrong.

You are being a d-bag.

Griffin was 5th in the nation in completion % at 72.4% (Luck was 70%), and he was first in the nation in yards per attempt.

Buckweath
12-16-2011, 01:42 PM
The uneasiness more likely surrounds Barkley and/or Griffin being legit franchise QB prospects.

Luck obviously is.

Barkley and Griffin could be, but they don't appear to be slam dunk no-brainers that you mortgage your future on with multiple top draft picks.

I`ll tell you, slam-dunk no-brainer top QB prospects like Andrew Luck (1st overall pick) simply do not get traded, even for multiple top draft picks.

This team has no future without a top QB, so how can you say you don`t mortgage your future on with multiple top draft picks to get that player that might give you a chance to be a great team in the future??

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:42 PM
You are being a d-bag.

Griffin was 5th in the nation in completion % at 72.4% (Luck was 70%), and he was first in the nation in yards per attempt.

I'd give a shit if he wasn't throwing to a 5-10 yard open receiver all year.

Everyone seems to act like RG3 did all that on his own. No one seems to think about the receiver who did 90% of the work.

Halfcan
12-16-2011, 01:42 PM
You thought wrong.

Really??

Completed 72 % of his passes, 3998 yards, 36 TD's to only 6 int and a Nation leading 192.3 QB rating. Not counting what he did on the ground.

Yep sounds like a real Project?? :hmmm:

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 01:43 PM
Trevor from Toronto: Will the chiefs target a new QB through trade, free agency or draft this off season? I don't think Cassel is the answer

BW: It depends on the new coach, somewhat. But I do think Scott Pioli -- who brought Cassel from New England -- likes and believes in Cassel. I think Cassel gets another season in Kansas City


MUTHER FUCK YOU!

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 01:43 PM
Really??

Completed 72 % of his passes, 3998 yards, 36 TD's to only 6 int and a Nation leading 192.3 QB rating. Not counting what he did on the ground.

Yep sounds like a real Project?? :hmmm:

Newton was a project as well.

Halfcan
12-16-2011, 01:45 PM
Newton was a project as well.

Newton? You mean that guy in Carolina that is rewriting the record books and will win Offensive Rookie of the Year?? LMAO

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:46 PM
Newton was a project as well.

I'd take Newton over RG3 all day.

He's NFL size and a much bigger arm.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:52 PM
I'd take Newton over RG3 all day.

He's NFL size and a much bigger arm.

Why isn't Griffin NFL size?

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:52 PM
RG3's top receivers:

Kendall Wright 101 1572 15.6 87 (TD) 13
Terrance Williams 53 895 16.9 77 (TD) 11
Tevin Reese 46 811 17.6 69 (TD) 7

Luck's top receivers:

Griff Whalen 49 664 13.6 32 4
Coby Fleener 32 648 20.3 62 10
Chris Owusu 35 376 10.7 43 2

Get back to me when people start looking at the big picture.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Why isn't Griffin NFL size?

He's a track star?

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:53 PM
RG3's top receivers:

Kendall Wright 101 1572 15.6 87 (TD) 13
Terrance Williams 53 895 16.9 77 (TD) 11
Tevin Reese 46 811 17.6 69 (TD) 7

Luck's top receivers:

Griff Whalen 49 664 13.6 32 4
Coby Fleener 32 648 20.3 62 10
Chris Owusu 35 376 10.7 43 2

Get back to me when people start looking at the big picture.

What's your point?

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:54 PM
What's your point?

If you don't know then no one can help you.

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 01:55 PM
If you don't know then no one can help you.

Griffin threw downfield more often to receivers who ran routes that enabled them to get YAC?

KC Tattoo
12-16-2011, 01:56 PM
Your moms soul to draft the best QBotf prospect.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 01:56 PM
Griffin threw downfield more often to receivers who ran routes that enabled them to get YAC?

Griffin threw downfield to a wide open receiver all year. Not impressive.

KC Tattoo
12-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Your moms soul to draft the best QBotf prospect.

Or that guys soul to draft the best QBotf.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 01:59 PM
depends on Manning's health

We don't know what the Colt's are really thinking. Either way they are going to act like they are taking Luck to keep the trade value up.

two top 10 picks would go a long way to helping a Payton Manning led colt's team to being playoff competitive again.

Hey, maybe they really are going to take Luck and move on from Manning, but maybe not. It's worth the risk.

we can always just grab RGIII at #2 if they don't and then we still have the 12th pick to add talent at another position.

They're taking Luck, period. Even if they weren't, they'd auction him off for a hell of a lot more than what you postulate they'd budge on.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 02:01 PM
You act like the odds of first round QBs are off the charts or something.

More SBs have been won with 1st round QBs than every other round and UDFA combined.

But yeah, we've never had this discussion before.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 02:02 PM
I would love to play poker against jd.

Sofa King
12-16-2011, 02:03 PM
Never go full retard.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 02:03 PM
Griffin threw downfield to a wide open receiver all year. Not impressive.

I forgot that Baylor is stacked with first round talent on the edges. Their offense is like Miami circa 2002.

DBOSHO
12-16-2011, 02:04 PM
1st and 2nd this year and next for Luck.

I dont give a fuck anymore, I just want a Quarterback.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 02:05 PM
I forgot that Baylor is stacked with first round talent on the edges. Their offense is like Miami circa 2002.

I forgot that people still don't know shit about Kendall Wright. The #2 WR in the nation.

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 02:06 PM
Newton? You mean that guy in Carolina that is rewriting the record books and will win Offensive Rookie of the Year?? LMAO

Yes, that "project".

bevischief
12-16-2011, 02:08 PM
We screwed.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 02:10 PM
I forgot that people still don't know shit about Kendall Wright. The #2 WR in the nation.

Did they also clone him four times?

jd1020
12-16-2011, 02:11 PM
Did they also clone him four times?

Did Stanford/USC clone him once?

HemiEd
12-16-2011, 02:12 PM
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily ****ed for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

You think like the Chiefs for the last 30 years. We can't risk failure.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 02:15 PM
Did Stanford/USC clone him once?

No, as he's actually smaller and older than Robert Woods.

We could also talk about Luck's TEs, who gave him a Gronkowski-Hernandez type duo.

All of these QBs have weapons, acting like Griffin is out there with Sam Bradford's OU offense is just ignorant.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 02:18 PM
No, as he's actually smaller and older than Robert Woods.

We could also talk about Luck's TEs, who gave him a Gronkowski-Hernandez type duo.

All of these QBs have weapons, acting like Griffin is out there with Sam Bradford's OU offense is just ignorant.

Acting like Griffin floating a 30 yard pass to a wide open receiver all day every day in a spread is something to brag about is ignorant as well.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2011, 02:24 PM
Acting like Griffin floating a 30 yard pass to a wide open receiver all day every day in a spread is something to brag about is ignorant as well.

His receivers did not always get the separation that you claim they did. It's a falsehood.

htismaqe
12-16-2011, 02:25 PM
The Rams will take Matt Kalil before they go after a WR.

Talk about pissing away picks on offensive linemen...

BigCatDaddy
12-16-2011, 02:26 PM
Crap, it the Bradford horseshit arguement about wide open receivers all over again.

Count Alex's Losses
12-16-2011, 02:28 PM
You act like the odds of first round QBs are off the charts or something.

How the fuck can people be this fucking dumb after all the EDU spilled on this forum since Rodgers was picked.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 02:46 PM
Why isn't Griffin NFL size?
Griffin is listed at 6'2" 210lbs

He's bigger than Vick and Brees unless the numbers are fudged.

It would be nice if he was 2 inches taller but it shouldn't be a deal breaker. What's more of a concern is whether he can fit into more than one type of offensive scheme. He's sort of a chuck and duck type guy now. imo.

run
run
go deep

Kyle DeLexus
12-16-2011, 02:58 PM
I bet with the rookie pay slotting, the old trade chart goes out the window and it becomes very expensive to move up. Teams didn't used to want to pick in the top 5 because of the contract size. Now you can get an elite player for a low price, so they are really going to want a team to make it worthwhile to trade down.

The old trade chart hasn't been accurate for the top 5-10 for a few years now. As the prices got out of control, the trade chart valued the top picks too much.

I believe the trade chart will just become relative for the top of the draft again.

htismaqe
12-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Griffin is listed at 6'2" 210lbs

He's bigger than Vick and Brees unless the numbers are fudged.

It would be nice if he was 2 inches taller but it shouldn't be a deal breaker. What's more of a concern is whether he can fit into more than one type of offensive scheme. He's sort of a chuck and duck type guy now. imo.

run
run
go deep

That's the reason I think Shanny takes him. In Shanny's offense, you can create throwing lanes for a guy that isn't super tall and seal off one side of the field to make it easier to move around and still throw the ball.

I think RG3 in Washington would be something to watch.

O.city
12-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Honestly, if they were willing I'd do whatever it takes to get to the top. If Luck is the for sure guy every one says, why not.

This franchise has been treading water for 40 years. Go draft the best qb you can get and lets climb this fucking hill.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 03:33 PM
You think like the Chiefs for the last 30 years. We can't risk failure.

The Chiefs the last 30 years have be willing to draft and develope a QB? Does anyone read what the fuck I actually say or do you just project?

HemiEd
12-16-2011, 03:38 PM
The Chiefs the last 30 years have be willing to draft and develope a QB? Does anyone read what the **** I actually say or do you just project?

I have to admit, I can not understand this post. I need a decoder ring.

But now this one, the one I quoted, I think I understand your intent. You don't want to gamble the picks that are needed to get a franchise QB, because we might be ****ed. Well that is the exact reason they haven't done it since 1983, when they gave Todd Blackledge not quite three years, after drafting him ahead of Marino.
Did I misunderstand your intent or your post? If so, my apologies.
The Franchise would be without 3 high picks and easily ****ed for a good 4 years. I'd much rather try to package a player in the deal to try and save one of those picks.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 03:40 PM
I have to admit, I can not understand this post. I need a decoder ring.

But now this one, the one I quoted, I think I understand your intent. You don't want to gamble what is needed to get a franchise QB, because we might be ****ed. Well that is the exact reason they haven't done it since 1983, when they gave Todd Blackledge not quite three years, after drafting him ahead of Marino.

A few posts later I said Tannehill could be a good QB given a year or 2 on the bench.

Ryan Tannehill will be in the NFL draft this year.

In order for the Chiefs to get him they will have to draft him.

The Chiefs draft Ryan Tannehill that means they will have to develop him.

That means the Chiefs will have drafted and developed a QB.

HemiEd
12-16-2011, 03:43 PM
A few posts later I said Tannehill could be a good QB given a year or 2 on the bench.

Ryan Tannehill will be in the NFL draft this year.

In order for the Chiefs to get him they will have to draft him.

The Chiefs draft Ryan Tannehill that means they will have to develop him.

That means the Chiefs will have drafted and developed a QB.

Yeah, I didn't read the whole thread when I quoted you, just that post. We both want the same thing, a QB.

Don't they already have that guy on the bench in Stanzi?

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 03:49 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the whole thread when I quoted you, just that post. We both want the same thing, a QB.

Don't they already have that guy on the bench in Stanzi?

I think the realistic hope for Stanzi is that he's a backup in this league.

whoman69
12-16-2011, 03:50 PM
ESPN was touting this morning on the radio that the Chiefs were in the Manning sweepstakes. IMO will take a hell of a lot more to get him than to move up for a QB.

Rams Fan
12-16-2011, 03:51 PM
Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.

Not only no. But **** no.

Isn't Bowe a Free Agent?

And why the fuck wouldn't they just take Blackmon?

jd1020
12-16-2011, 03:52 PM
ESPN was touting this morning on the radio that the Chiefs were in the Manning sweepstakes. IMO will take a hell of a lot more to get him than to move up for a QB.

How does a team who wants to get younger and develop trade for a 35 year old, passed his prime, broke neck QB?

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 03:53 PM
ESPN was touting this morning on the radio that the Chiefs were in the Manning sweepstakes. IMO will take a hell of a lot more to get him than to move up for a QB.

Nobody is going to trade for Manning's 28 million salary. If he can still play he'll be a FA but it seems like a Chiefs kind of move.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 03:53 PM
Not only no. But **** no.

Isn't Bowe a Free Agent?

And why the **** wouldn't they just take Blackmon?

He's a FA, but stop kidding yourself into thinking the Chiefs wont franchise him if they can't agree upon and extension.

Rams Fan
12-16-2011, 03:54 PM
The Rams will take Matt Kalil before they go after a WR.

Maybe.

All depends on what they want to do with Smith.

Rams Fan
12-16-2011, 03:56 PM
He's a FA, but stop kidding yourself into thinking the Chiefs wont franchise him if they can't agree upon and extension.

Kroenke's way is to build through the draft as much as possible. Trading for Bowe and a 3rd,which I do not think is worth a top 3 pick, isn't going to do that. The Rams also are going to have to have money to resign guys like Long, Stewart etc after next season.

SNR
12-16-2011, 03:56 PM
Tannehill takes off running way more often than RGIII does from the games I've seen this year. Sheesh. And people worry about RGIII getting clobbered in the NFL.

I really don't want any part of Tannehill, personally. I think Stanzi was a far better passer who came from a pro system, and will end up being a better pro.

Tannehill and Jones. Those two QBs. Ishy poo.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 03:58 PM
Kroenke's way is to build through the draft as much as possible. Trading for Bowe and a 3rd,which I do not think is worth a top 3 pick, isn't going to do that. The Rams also are going to have to have money to resign guys like Long, Stewart etc after next season.

I don't think he's worth a top 3 either. Was just sayin.

Rams Fan
12-16-2011, 03:59 PM
Talk about pissing away picks on offensive linemen...

I don't think spending 2 picks in the top 2 rounds, over 2 drafts, is pissing away picks.

The Rams NEEDED a LT. They thought they were going to get that in Smith.

The Rams NEEDED a RT. They thought Saffold was going to play there.

Saffold played at LT, Smith at RT.

And those two guys are the only starters the Rams have on their OL that they drafted.

Jeez...

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 03:59 PM
Tannehill takes off running way more often than RGIII does from the games I've seen this year. Sheesh. And people worry about RGIII getting clobbered in the NFL.

I really don't want any part of Tannehill, personally. I think Stanzi was a far better passer who came from a pro system, and will end up being a better pro.

Tannehill and Jones. Those two QBs. Ishy poo.

Tannehill has only been a QB for 1.5 years and will be a much more productive player than Ricky Stanzi.

Rams Fan
12-16-2011, 04:02 PM
The last time a Top 5 pick was traded in the Draft was 2009.

The Jets gave up their 1st and 2nd round picks, and 3 other players.

HemiEd
12-16-2011, 04:02 PM
How does a team who wants to get younger and develop trade for a 35 year old, passed his prime, broke neck QB?

They just went (predictably) from a rebuild to a win now mode. Need butts in the seats! Its the Chiefs way, and I predicted it several months ago.
The definition of insanity, maybe they will get lucky and get different results this time.

Chiefshrink
12-16-2011, 04:04 PM
Pioli ain't trading up, he will bring in McDaniels to save face with his Cassel debacle trade plain and simple. What coach would want to come here being told make Cassel successful except for McDaniels.

We're trading down if anything.

htismaqe
12-16-2011, 04:04 PM
I don't think spending 2 picks in the top 2 rounds, over 2 drafts, is pissing away picks.

The Rams NEEDED a LT. They thought they were going to get that in Smith.

The Rams NEEDED a RT. They thought Saffold was going to play there.

Saffold played at LT, Smith at RT.

And those two guys are the only starters the Rams have on their OL that they drafted.

Jeez...

If you read the message I responded to, you'd see they were suggesting the Rams would take Matt Kalil.

Rams Fan
12-16-2011, 04:06 PM
If you read the message I responded to, you'd see they were suggesting the Rams would take Matt Kalil.

I get that.

My reading comprehension is 0.

But there isn't anything wrong with selecting Kalil if they are able to redo Smith's contract.

Just my $.01(yeah, I went there).

HemiEd
12-16-2011, 04:07 PM
The last time a Top 5 pick was traded in the Draft was 2009.

The Jets gave up their 1st and 2nd round picks, and 3 other players.

And most people agreed that they raped the Browns in that trade to acquire Sanchez, because nobody wanted to move up.

Of course, with the new Rookie slotting, the picks are more valuable and more people will be willing to move up.

SNR
12-16-2011, 04:10 PM
Tannehill has only been a QB for 1.5 years and will be a much more productive player than Ricky Stanzi.Why do you like him? He doesn't impress me that much. He looks like Blaine Gabbert, only less spectacular.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-16-2011, 04:10 PM
Assume for the sake of argument KC wins another game or two and finishes somewhere around 13 in the draft. The top 6 are:

1 Colts 0 16
2 Rams 2 14
3 Vikings 2 14
4 Washington 4 12
5 Panthers 4 12
6 Browns 4 12
7 Dolphins 4 12

The Colts are going with Luck and aren't trading. You want to move up for Barkley and/or Griffin. What do you give up for each of them, and which spot are trying to get to?

I'd offer the Vikings the 2012 1st and 2nd, and 2013 1st for RGIII. I'm not sure about Barkley yet.


Chiefs will be 5-11


Skins getting to 6-10 wins vs eagles and vikes
Panthers getting to 6-10 wins vs texans and bucs

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 04:15 PM
Why do you like him? He doesn't impress me that much. He looks like Blaine Gabbert, only less spectacular.

Like I said he's a project but I like the guys size and can make any throw. I was pretty impressed with him when A&M played LSU he was hitting guys who were covered. He did throw a few picks that game but it was like his 7th game as a starter.

whoman69
12-16-2011, 04:22 PM
A few posts later I said Tannehill could be a good QB given a year or 2 on the bench.

Ryan Tannehill will be in the NFL draft this year.

In order for the Chiefs to get him they will have to draft him.

The Chiefs draft Ryan Tannehill that means they will have to develop him.

That means the Chiefs will have drafted and developed a QB.

Drafting is not the same as developing. The Chiefs went from 1987-2007 without starting a QB they had drafted. BTW, that QB in 1987 only threw one pass, Doug Hudson. Mike Elkins threw one pass. Matt Blundin had 9 attempts and was given up on after 2 seasons. Steve Matthews had 48 attempts all with other franchises. Steve Stensrom didn't even make the roster though he was in the league 4 years after with over 300 attempts. James Kilian didn't make the roster, Pat Barnes didn't make the roster.

The Chiefs didn't even draft a QB from 1998 until 2005.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2011, 04:23 PM
Tannehill would be a typical Chiefs pick. A converted player.

jd1020
12-16-2011, 04:25 PM
Tannehill would be a typical Chiefs pick. A converted player.

He's not really a converted player. He went to A&M as a QB. They used him as a WR and now he's back at QB.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 04:25 PM
Drafting is not the same as developing. The Chiefs went from 1987-2007 without starting a QB they had drafted. BTW, that QB in 1987 only threw one pass, Doug Hudson. Mike Elkins threw one pass. Matt Blundin had 9 attempts and was given up on after 2 seasons. Steve Matthews had 48 attempts all with other franchises. Steve Stensrom didn't even make the roster though he was in the league 4 years after with over 300 attempts. James Kilian didn't make the roster, Pat Barnes didn't make the roster.

The Chiefs didn't even draft a QB from 1998 until 2005.

Huh?

Extra Point
12-16-2011, 04:26 PM
I'd trade Cassel + Richardson plus out 6th rounder for their 1st this year and 3rd next year.

Reaction: "LMAO," followed by "ROFL."

Mr. Laz
12-16-2011, 04:33 PM
that win against Chicago just killed us ... we should be in the running to draft 4th not 10th


Team W-L Opp W-L %
01 Indy 0-13 .548
02 Minnesota 2-11 .567
03 St. Louis 2-11 .582
04 Washington 4-9 .457
05 Jacksonville 4-9 .505
06 Carolina 4-9 .505
07 Dolphins 4-9 .524
08 Cleveland 4-9 .529
09 Tampa Bay 4-9 .538
10 Philadelphia 5-8 .490
11 Buffalo 5-8 .514
12 Chiefs 5-8 .524

Chiefnj2
12-16-2011, 05:42 PM
Griffin is listed at 6'2" 210lbs

He's bigger than Vick and Brees unless the numbers are fudged.

It would be nice if he was 2 inches taller but it shouldn't be a deal breaker. What's more of a concern is whether he can fit into more than one type of offensive scheme. He's sort of a chuck and duck type guy now. imo.

run
run,
go deep

I don't think his height is fudged, he was on Letterman and looked the same size as Dave

whoman69
12-16-2011, 07:48 PM
Pioli ain't trading up, he will bring in McDaniels to save face with his Cassel debacle trade plain and simple. What coach would want to come here being told make Cassel successful except for McDaniels.

We're trading down if anything.

repost

whoman69
12-16-2011, 07:50 PM
Drafting is not the same as developing. The Chiefs went from 1987-2007 without starting a QB they had drafted. BTW, that QB in 1987 only threw one pass, Doug Hudson. Mike Elkins threw one pass. Matt Blundin had 9 attempts and was given up on after 2 seasons. Steve Matthews had 48 attempts all with other franchises. Steve Stensrom didn't even make the roster though he was in the league 4 years after with over 300 attempts. James Kilian didn't make the roster, Pat Barnes didn't make the roster.

The Chiefs didn't even draft a QB from 1998 until 2005.

Huh?

I know reading is hard for you, but try to keep up.

Chocolate Hog
12-16-2011, 08:00 PM
I know reading is hard for you, but try to keep up.

No you fucking dipshit it really isn't but when you say drafting is different than developing a quarterback I say you have the same amount of brain power as Terri Schaivo.

Chief Roundup
12-16-2011, 09:40 PM
I bet with the rookie pay slotting, the old trade chart goes out the window and it becomes very expensive to move up. Teams didn't used to want to pick in the top 5 because of the contract size. Now you can get an elite player for a low price, so they are really going to want a team to make it worthwhile to trade down.

This.

Chief Roundup
12-16-2011, 09:46 PM
Bowe and our 3rd RD to the ram's for the #2 pick

Rams#2 pick + our #12(maybe higher) pick to the Colts for the #1 pick

Draft Luck

Baldwin and Breaston our starting WR's next year. Maybe sign a veteran FA WR and/or draft another WR.

Bowe and our 3rd will never get the 2cd overall.

Everybody has said it will take at least 3 1st round picks to get there so I don't see your theory for Luck working either.

Chief Roundup
12-16-2011, 09:51 PM
No way.

Dude you have lost your mind. It would take a high pick to replace what Dorsey brings to the D right now.

Chief Roundup
12-16-2011, 09:53 PM
2nd round QB aren't worth shit.

Drew Brees would argue that.

Okie_Apparition
12-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Did RGIIIs draft stock just jump from middland to top in the past 3-4 months
those usually scream bust. PErfect for the Rat

OnTheWarpath58
12-17-2011, 10:07 AM
How the hell did I miss this thread?

Anyway, the correct answer should be, "whatever it takes."

Here are the problems:

No one expects Pioli to draft a 1st round QB.

If he wanted a 1st round QB, does anyone here believe he's capable of properly evaluating the position and choosing the right one?

Here's to another year (or more) of bitching about Cassel, fellas.

Chiefnj2
12-17-2011, 10:52 AM
Did RGIIIs draft stock just jump from middland to top in the past 3-4 months
those usually scream bust. PErfect for the Rat

That's what happened to Newton last year.

tecumseh
12-17-2011, 11:17 AM
Pioli is NOT going to trade up. He's commited to Cassel for at least another year.
If anything, replace Richardson , upgrade O-line. Draft some quality depth in the secondary. Perhaps a weak schedule next season, build some confidence.

Brock
12-17-2011, 11:26 AM
Pioli is NOT going to trade up. He's commited to Cassel for at least another year.

Good luck selling Crennel/Cassel to the fanbase next year.

OnTheWarpath58
12-17-2011, 11:27 AM
Pioli is NOT going to trade up. He's commited to Cassel for at least another year.
If anything, replace Richardson , upgrade O-line. Draft some quality depth in the secondary. Perhaps a weak schedule next season, build some confidence.

Yeah, not so much on the weak schedule. I posted our opponents a few weeks back and it's nasty on paper.

OnTheWarpath58
12-17-2011, 11:29 AM
Yeah, not so much on the weak schedule. I posted our opponents a few weeks back and it's nasty on paper.

Found it:

6 AFC West games.

AFC North.

NFC South.

Last place AFC East. (Miami?)

Last place AFC South. (Indy, with either a healthy Manning, or Luck.)

Brutal.

bkkcoh
12-17-2011, 11:31 AM
Almost any combination of our defensive line!!!!!!!

But wait, I guess that would only get us a case of brats, if we were lucky.

Mopery
12-17-2011, 11:33 AM
Give whatever it takes to move up for RG3. I want a damn franchise qb! Rg3 would look swell in the backfield with Charles.

milkman
12-17-2011, 11:34 AM
I bet with the rookie pay slotting, the old trade chart goes out the window and it becomes very expensive to move up. Teams didn't used to want to pick in the top 5 because of the contract size. Now you can get an elite player for a low price, so they are really going to want a team to make it worthwhile to trade down.

Kyle DeLexus addresses this in the post I've quoted two posts down, but to expand on his post, that chart was created well before the top 5-10 draft picks became so expensive to sign.

The rookie slotting in this new CBA makes that chart relevant again.

We had a legit QB in Montana and still couldn't make it to the dance. Everything is a crapshot in this league (and a whole lot of lady luck on your side)

We had a two year window with an aging, injury prone QB, on a team that was otherwise ascending.

Bringing in that kind of QB on that kind of team is fine, but you better have a young developing backup to take over when that QB retires or is hurt.

Who would have guessed that an aging injury prone QB would get injured before he was able to get his team to a SB?

Chiefs will No take a qb this year imo-they will stick with Castle because he has mucho grande money left on his big Fat contract. Pioli will NOT cut loose of his coach and QB that were suppose to Save the franchise in the same season. His EGO is too BIG to look bad and admit he has made this team Much worse than when he took it over. They will trade down and get a "value" pick and pretty much be the same Cheap team as this year. Clark will act concerned as he is taking those checks to the bank though.

Cassel, if they chose to do it, could be cut with no cap repercussions.

His bonuses have all already been paid.

The old trade chart hasn't been accurate for the top 5-10 for a few years now. As the prices got out of control, the trade chart valued the top picks too much.

I believe the trade chart will just become relative for the top of the draft again.

Chiefnj2
12-17-2011, 11:49 AM
The chart doesn't take depth into account. If you have a year with 3 blue chip QBs and 6 teams that desperately need a QB, the price will go up. The Chart doesn't really decide value, it's the market. The Chart just gives Kiper and others something to talk about.

Sofa King
12-17-2011, 12:54 PM
Give whatever it takes to move up for RG3. I want a damn franchise qb! Rg3 would look swell in the backfield with Charles.

n00b of the year.

OnTheWarpath58
12-17-2011, 12:55 PM
n00b of the year.

Mult.

Rausch
12-17-2011, 01:10 PM
Found it:

6 AFC West games.

AFC North.

NFC South.

Last place AFC East. (Miami?)

Last place AFC South. (Indy, with either a healthy Manning, or Luck.)

Brutal.

$#it.

I guess our next HC will be expected to win games instead of lose pretty...

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 01:22 PM
Found it:

6 AFC West games.

AFC North.

NFC South.

Last place AFC East. (Miami?)

Last place AFC South. (Indy, with either a healthy Manning, or Luck.)

Brutal.

Mcdummy and cassel that is 2-14

Rausch
12-17-2011, 01:24 PM
Good luck selling Crennel/Cassel to the fanbase next year.

I'd love HC-X + Crennel (as DC) next year.

Don't want C@$$hole on the team...

ChiefsCountry
12-17-2011, 01:26 PM
Found it:

6 AFC West games.

AFC North.

NFC South.

Last place AFC East. (Miami?)

Last place AFC South. (Indy, with either a healthy Manning, or Luck.)

Brutal.

Guess we will be on the Tyler Wilson sweepstakes in 2013.

CaliforniaChief
12-17-2011, 01:29 PM
I would give up multiple high picks if we can land either RG3 or Barkley. It's worth it. Use the middle round picks on OL, and late round picks on ST contributors/gadget players. Use FA to sign people for depth and on the line...

Charles, Berry, and Moeaki recover from injury...

And we are a legitimate contender immediately.

okcchief
12-17-2011, 06:59 PM
My soul.

Chief Roundup
12-17-2011, 07:28 PM
Charles, Berry, and Moeaki recover from injury...

We can hope so. But I doubt we get them all back at 100% of preinjury. Charles style of running, jump cut, makes it more difficult for him. RB's usually take a couple of years to recover. Not sure Moeaki can lose much and still produce in the NFL.