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DaWolf
12-17-2011, 10:24 AM
According to Schefter, St Louis likes him so much they may want to keep him around...

Long before Denver, the NFL, fans and television networks invested in Tim Tebow, former Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels did.

McDaniels believed in Tebow more than any other coach or team in the NFL. He envisioned what he could do for a franchise. It was just that McDaniels also envisioned being a part of it.

Yet before he could get his chance, the Broncos fired McDaniels on Dec. 6, 2010, two weeks before Tebow made his first career start as Broncos quarterback.

McDaniels packed up his belongings but left behind the quarterback he traded up to get. Since then, Denver has not been the same.

Tebow has reinvigorated a city and a franchise. He has led the Broncos to victories in four straight games in which they trailed in the fourth quarter. He now has a fourth-quarter or overtime game-winning drive in six of his 11 starts, more than any other player in NFL history.

No wonder that in an op-ed piece last Sunday, the New York Times dubbed him "The Mile-High Messiah." But it's worth noting who first authored this story. It is the head coach who Broncos fans and the Denver organization wanted out. At a time when no other coach would, McDaniels packaged picks -- one of which came from Miami for Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall to select the draft's most polarizing player. Some publicly applauded the Broncos. Many more privately mocked them.

Yet McDaniels, now the St. Louis Rams' offensive coordinator, always has known things about quarterbacks that others didn't. He elevated Tom Brady's game to arguably the highest level of his career. He boosted up backup Matt Cassel and made him a $40 million quarterback in Kansas City. And he recognized what Tebow could do whereas others commented on all he couldn't do. Now McDaniels' prized pupils, Brady and Tebow, are preparing to battle in this week's game of the week. Sunday's matchup is a testament to McDaniels' work, and why he still will be in demand despite St. Louis' struggles. No one around the league would be surprised if Kansas City and its general manager Scott Pioli, who worked with McDaniels in New England, made a hard run at him as the successor to Todd Haley. New England would always have a spot for McDaniels. And St. Louis wants to keep him even when change is likely to shake up the organization. As the Broncos continue to make the unlikely climb from worst to first, and as Denver continues to supplant unbeaten Green Bay as the story of the 2011 season, the irony is the person who helped make it all possible no longer is a part of it. McDaniels is battling through a challenging season in St. Louis, but his legacy is on display in Denver.

1. Is RG3 the one? After Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III won the Heisman Trophy, front office executives around the league speculated on where he might go in the draft. One compared him to Michael Vick and predicted he would be picked in the second half of the first round. Another compared him Randall Cunningham and speculated he was a "surefire first-round pick." But a third offered the most eye-opening statement, saying there are a handful of personnel people around the league who would pick Griffin ahead of Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck.

"There's a real wave of support for Griffin III," the front-office executive said. "I don't want it to get out of hand, but I know people who are very bullish on this guy. There's so much focus on Andrew, but a guy like this could take the draft by surprise."

The leaguewide expectation is that the Indianapolis Colts, who by losing to the Tennessee Titans, could clinch the first overall pick as early as Sunday, will take Luck at No. 1. But the fact that some personnel people are so high on Griffin is an indication that he is not expected to remain on the board very long, and is likely to be a top-10 pick. There will be at least one general manager out there, and maybe more, who covets Griffin the way McDaniels once did Tebow. When this happens, anything is possible. Griffin could wind up going even higher than most NFL scouts are projecting.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/10spot-11week15/josh-mcdaniels-influence-plain-sight-adam-schefter-10-spot

How ironic would it be if Tim Tebow became the selling point to getting McD in here?

If it happened, the only hope I guess would be that that RG3 gives McD the same hardon that Tebow did...

beach tribe
12-17-2011, 10:27 AM
I'll sell on Josh M.

threebag02
12-17-2011, 10:40 AM
if he comes here it wouldnt matter who he brought. i would be gone

Mr_Tomahawk
12-17-2011, 10:50 AM
if he comes here it wouldnt matter who he brought. i would be gone

That would be terrible.

Rooster
12-17-2011, 10:52 AM
Christmas time is a big hiring time for little people. It's only natural that McDouche would be getting some looks.

Dave Lane
12-17-2011, 10:53 AM
If we give up a draft pick for that turd I'll flip the fuck out!

:cuss::#:banghead:

cabletech94
12-17-2011, 10:58 AM
If we give up a draft pick for that turd I'll flip the **** out!

:cuss::#:banghead:

Didn't they change that rule after the herm debacle? Still don't want mcdoofus.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm guessing the Rams know the Chiefs are after him and they'll want compensation for him. But I thought it was ok for an assistant coach to leave a team compensation free if it's a promotion...

Deberg_1990
12-17-2011, 11:01 AM
If we give up a draft pick for that turd I'll flip the **** out!

:cuss::#:banghead:

I dont think teams ever give up picks for assistants and team dont block guys much because its a promotion.

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:06 AM
According to Schefter, St Louis likes him so much they may want to keep him around...




Or they just don't want Bradford to have his 3rd OC in 3 seasons...

Mr_Tomahawk
12-17-2011, 11:10 AM
Or they just don't want Bradford to have his 3rd OC in 3 seasons...

Great. They should keep him.

CaliforniaChief
12-17-2011, 11:11 AM
I'm ready for the flaming.

I won't be terribly pissed if he gets the job. I don't think there's any doubt that the guy has a high football acumen. He understands x's and o's and how to build an offense.

Objection: Look at the Rams. Yeah, look at them. They have ZERO personnel other than Bradford. We are eminently more loaded on offense than they are, personnel-wise...and when Jamaal comes back along with a very good TE, we're in great shape.

Here's my other line of thinking: He failed once. He got his ass kicked. Surely he's learned his lessons from that and will totally change the way he approaches the job.

And here's the kicker. If nothing changes and he flames out, guess who he takes out the door with him? That's right...Pioli...and the Patriot Way.

In other words, he has a very high upside and a high risk of flaming out...either way, we either get a championship-level team or new management.

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:14 AM
Objection: Look at the Rams. Yeah, look at them. They have ZERO personnel other than Bradford. We are eminently more loaded on offense than they are, personnel-wise...and when Jamaal comes back along with a very good TE, we're in great shape.



Steven Jackson and Brandon Lloyd say go **** yourself.

The problem with the Rams is that none of their starters from opening day on the OL are starting where they were that day.

Everyone is hurt, good but had to move to RT because of injuries or sucked and had to switch positions.

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:15 AM
Great. They should keep him.

I have 0 problems with that what so ever.

As long as he uses SJ39 at the 1 fucking yard line.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 11:16 AM
McDummy and cassel in 2012 we are Fucked

okcchief
12-17-2011, 11:16 AM
Fucking puke....

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:17 AM
McDummy and cassel in 2012 we are ****ed

All you have been doing since Haley has been fired is saying:

O NOES.

milkman
12-17-2011, 11:22 AM
I'm ready for the flaming.

I won't be terribly pissed if he gets the job. I don't think there's any doubt that the guy has a high football acumen. He understands x's and o's and how to build an offense.

Objection: Look at the Rams. Yeah, look at them. They have ZERO personnel other than Bradford. We are eminently more loaded on offense than they are, personnel-wise...and when Jamaal comes back along with a very good TE, we're in great shape.

Here's my other line of thinking: He failed once. He got his ass kicked. Surely he's learned his lessons from that and will totally change the way he approaches the job.

And here's the kicker. If nothing changes and he flames out, guess who he takes out the door with him? That's right...Pioli...and the Patriot Way.

In other words, he has a very high upside and a high risk of flaming out...either way, we either get a championship-level team or new management.

The direction this offseason coming up appears to be headed, it seems that Pioli's two chioces will come down to him or Fisher, and the fact is, I'd rather have McDumbass.

The chance does exist that he did learn from his mistakes.

Jeff Fisher is the very epitome of mediocrity and I want no part of him.

As it stands, though, having a week to give some thought to it, if we absolutely have to go retread, I'd take Brian Billick.

If we want someone new and fresh, the way I'd rather go, I'd take Mike Pagano.

milkman
12-17-2011, 11:24 AM
McDummy and cassel in 2012 we are ****ed

I'm guessing we're stuck with Cassel, regardless who the next HC turns out to be.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 11:25 AM
I'm guessing we're stuck with Cassel, regardless who the next HC turns out to be.

In 2 year's Pioli will be fired

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 11:28 AM
I'm gonna say that I would be patient with the hire if it were to become real. Like Cali said, if he fails he's gone and so is Pioli. If not, then happy time for this franchise.

Brock
12-17-2011, 11:28 AM
In 2 year's Pioli will be fired

"Haley will be here next year"

Gonzo
12-17-2011, 11:29 AM
I absolutely would flip the fuck out if they hired him as the HC. A coordinator? Ok, whatever. But HC? No. Fuck this team if that happens.
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ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 11:31 AM
"Haley will be here next year"

I was wrong on that but i would take haley over mcdummy anyday.

Ebolapox
12-17-2011, 11:32 AM
call me nuts, but if hiring mcdaniels GUARANTEES we get either barkley, luck or RGIII, BRING MCDUMBASS THE FUCK IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

Mr_Tomahawk
12-17-2011, 11:34 AM
call me nuts, but if hiring mcdaniels GUARANTEES we get either barkley, luck or RGIII, BRING MCDUMBASS THE **** IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

This is how I feel.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 11:35 AM
call me nuts, but if hiring mcdaniels GUARANTEES we get either barkley, luck or RGIII, BRING MCDUMBASS THE **** IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

That's what I was thinking. Although Cassel is "young" according to some people and we would probably just upgrade the positions around him.

I bet with McDaniels we'd be running a lot of spread because that's when Cassel looked the best in New England running the spread in 08.

Epic Fail 007
12-17-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm ready for the flaming.

I won't be terribly pissed if he gets the job. I don't think there's any doubt that the guy has a high football acumen. He understands x's and o's and how to build an offense.

Objection: Look at the Rams. Yeah, look at them. They have ZERO personnel other than Bradford. We are eminently more loaded on offense than they are, personnel-wise...and when Jamaal comes back along with a very good TE, we're in great shape.

Here's my other line of thinking: He failed once. He got his ass kicked. Surely he's learned his lessons from that and will totally change the way he approaches the job.

And here's the kicker. If nothing changes and he flames out, guess who he takes out the door with him? That's right...Pioli...and the Patriot Way.

In other words, he has a very high upside and a high risk of flaming out...either way, we either get a championship-level team or new management.

Agree

Gonzo
12-17-2011, 11:36 AM
call me nuts, but if hiring mcdaniels GUARANTEES we get either barkley, luck or RGIII, BRING MCDUMBASS THE FUCK IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

Doubtful. He'd probably trade our 1st rounder for Tebow.
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tk13
12-17-2011, 11:36 AM
I think hiring Fisher brings the highest chance of getting a new QB... McDaniels and Pioli most likely think they can fix Cassel. But who knows.

Plus all the ESPN insiders (Clayton, Schefter, etc) flat out said the other night that Fisher is going to go where the QB is.

Epic Fail 007
12-17-2011, 11:40 AM
call me nuts, but if hiring mcdaniels GUARANTEES we get either barkley, luck or RGIII, BRING MCDUMBASS THE **** IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

YES!:clap:

jd1020
12-17-2011, 11:41 AM
I was wrong on that but i would take haley over mcdummy anyday.

I'm sure a lot of owners want to have a HC who runs a soft camp/preseason and gets destroyed because his players aren't ready to play, constantly has to say "we weren't prepared" in the post game, and plays inferior talent to spite them.

I can see how Haley is clearly the better option than McDaniels. :rolleyes:

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm sure a lot of owners want to have a HC who runs a soft camp/preseason and gets destroyed because his players aren't ready to play, constantly has to say "we weren't prepared" in the post game, and plays inferior talent to spite them.

I can see how Haley is clearly the better option than McDaniels. :rolleyes:

See Denver under him but hey facts dont matter.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 11:44 AM
See Denver under him but hey facts dont matter.

Better offenses than Haley.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-17-2011, 11:44 AM
Let the rationalization of another horrendous decision begin.

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:44 AM
See Denver under him but hey facts dont matter.

The man put up points in Denver.

The problem was he was given too much power.

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:45 AM
Let the rationalization of another horrendous decision begin.

You can have Spags with McDaniels while you are at it.

BossChief
12-17-2011, 11:46 AM
anyone watch ESPN today and see Keyshawn slamming Pioli?

It was the segment about teams in need of head coaches.

He said something like "they have some pieces in place, but nobody is gonna want to work with that GM"

I am gonna be sick to my stomach if we hire that cheating little bitch.

No doubt in my mind that he pushes to trade Bowe...but it might actually get us a quarterback after next year.

Dont forget, he traded for Orton and then traded up to get a quarterback...being that Orton is better than Cassel, he would likely push for something similar if/when Cassel and Orton both fail.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 11:48 AM
anyone watch ESPN today and see Keyshawn slamming Pioli?

It was the segment about teams in need of head coaches.

He said something like "they have some pieces in place, but nobody is gonna want to work with that GM"

I am gonna be sick to my stomach if we hire that cheating little bitch.

No doubt in my mind that he pushes to trade Bowe...but it might actually get us a quarterback after next year.

Dont forget, he traded for Orton and then traded up to get a quarterback...being that Orton is better than Cassel, he would likely push for something similar if/when Cassel and Orton both fail.

1) Pioli has said McDaniels as HC is a no go.

2) Even if McDaniels did become HC he would not have the power he had in Denver to pretty much do what ever he wanted with the roster.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-17-2011, 11:48 AM
anyone watch ESPN today and see Keyshawn slamming Pioli?

It was the segment about teams in need of head coaches.

He said something like "they have some pieces in place, but nobody is gonna want to work with that GM"

I am gonna be sick to my stomach if we hire that cheating little bitch.

No doubt in my mind that he pushes to trade Bowe...but it might actually get us a quarterback after next year.

Dont forget, he traded for Orton and then traded up to get a quarterback...being that Orton is better than Cassel, he would likely push for something similar if/when Cassel and Orton both fail.

From "Executive of the Decade" to "nobody is gonna want to work with that GM".

:facepalm:

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 11:49 AM
2) Even if McDaniels did become HC he would not have the power he had in Denver to pretty much do what ever he wanted with the roster.

Yep.

Bwana
12-17-2011, 11:49 AM
No Sale! Next................

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-17-2011, 11:51 AM
1) Pioli has said McDaniels as HC is a no go.

2) Even if McDaniels did become HC he would not have the power he had in Denver to pretty much do what ever he wanted with the roster.

1) Bullshit
2) It doesn't matter, he's not a good coach either. Good coaches don't see their teams go from 8-8 to 2-14, and then have a new guy take them to the playoffs the next year.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 11:53 AM
1) Bullshit
2) It doesn't matter, he's not a good coach either. Good coaches don't see their teams go from 8-8 to 2-14, and then have a new guy take them to the playoffs the next year.

With the QB that everyone bashed McDaniels for drafting.

Shaid
12-17-2011, 11:55 AM
If we brought in McDaniels and traded for Tebow to do it, there would be a mass murder at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

BossChief
12-17-2011, 11:55 AM
Let the rationalization of another horrendous decision begin.

let me ask you a hypothetical question

if you KNEW hiring McDaniels as the HC would mean we would draft a 1st round QB NEXT YEAR (2013 draft) or that he could get Cassel to play at the level he did in the best parts of last year, but against better teams, would that change things for you?

I would only be on board if it meant it gets us a first round quarterback.

Even then, I dont want a team that is 70/30 pass/run...especially with Cassel being the 70% part....but I do think that would put the need for a 1st round quarterback back to the top of the list (even for Pioli) because I cant see Cassel prospering in that scenario.

I just cant see myself rooting for a known cheater.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 11:58 AM
May as well go with McDaniels. Let him do things his way. Give him no excuses. If after 2 years, we suck, we blow it up.

BossChief
12-17-2011, 12:01 PM
May as well go with McDaniels. Let him do things his way. Give him no excuses. If after 2 years, we suck, we blow it up.

fuck that

jd1020
12-17-2011, 12:01 PM
let me ask you a hypothetical question

if you KNEW hiring McDaniels as the HC would mean we would draft a 1st round QB NEXT YEAR (2013 draft) or that he could get Cassel to play at the level he did in the best parts of last year, but against better teams, would that change things for you?

I would only be on board if it meant it gets us a first round quarterback.

Even then, I dont want a team that is 70/30 pass/run...especially with Cassel being the 70% part....but I do think that would put the need for a 1st round quarterback back to the top of the list (even for Pioli) because I cant see Cassel prospering in that scenario.

I just cant see myself rooting for a known cheater.

So, If you were guaranteed McDaniels would turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB and could take this team to a SB, you wouldn't take that just because its Cassel?

That's fucking stupid.

tk13
12-17-2011, 12:02 PM
The quickness in which people resign to the idea is horrible. I would rather have Haley back. Haley was probably going to go 6-10 with a decimated team, better than McDaniels did in Denver last year. He at least had success as an assistant coach and offensive coordinator. McDaniels has done absolutely nothing outside of New England to give me any hope. He ran the Broncos into the ground. Anyone using Tebow as a selling point is going to look like an idiot if his bubble bursts. Maybe that won't happen... but it's only been 8 games, way too early to deliver a judgment on any first time starter.

He then went to the Rams and is working with a #1 overall QB... while I was never excited about Bradford he had a solid rookie year, and now he's regressed. I don't know what on earth people are seeing. There are probably scores of more qualified assistant coaches who deserve an opportunity.

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 12:02 PM
Even then, I dont want a team that is 70/30 pass/run...especially with Cassel being the 70% part....


That isn't right.

The Rams have ran about 60% percent passing plays on offense, with 40% plays being rushing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-17-2011, 12:04 PM
let me ask you a hypothetical question

if you KNEW hiring McDaniels as the HC would mean we would draft a 1st round QB NEXT YEAR (2013 draft) or that he could get Cassel to play at the level he did in the best parts of last year, but against better teams, would that change things for you?

I would only be on board if it meant it gets us a first round quarterback.

Even then, I dont want a team that is 70/30 pass/run...especially with Cassel being the 70% part....but I do think that would put the need for a 1st round quarterback back to the top of the list (even for Pioli) because I cant see Cassel prospering in that scenario.

I just cant see myself rooting for a known cheater.

That's a false choice and a really dumb hypothetical. Quarterback is more important than coach, so if it was the only way we'd get one I'd first mail Anthrax to Pioli, but which QB are we taking? How many choices are we giving up?

If McDaniels means we're bringing in Landry Jones it makes no fucking difference.

Besides, I'm not convinced that he can do anything to actually coach up a QB.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 12:05 PM
He then went to the Rams and is working with a #1 overall QB... while I was never excited about Bradford he had a solid rookie year, and now he's regressed. I don't know what on earth people are seeing. There are probably scores of more qualified assistant coaches who deserve an opportunity.

He had a masked "solid" rookie year. He had a 18:15 TD:INT ratio while throwing less than 6 yards on average.

Rausch
12-17-2011, 12:05 PM
Don't want RGIII, Don't want McDonalds, don't want C@$$hole...

milkman
12-17-2011, 12:06 PM
So, If you were guaranteed McDaniels would turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB and could take this team to a SB, you wouldn't take that just because its Cassel?

That's ****ing stupid.

McDumbass is not going to turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB.

To get the production from Cassel that he got out of him in '08, he had to use a college offense.

That will win some games, but it won't win in the playoffs.

A QB has to be able to make plays, both from the spread, and from the Pro Set to win when it matters the most.

Bwana
12-17-2011, 12:06 PM
So, If you were guaranteed McDaniels would turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB and could take this team to a SB, you wouldn't take that just because its Cassel?



Dude, seriously! You have a better shot of hitting the Powerball tonight, than butter nuts Cassel taking the Chiefs to the Super Bowl. No way, no how, ain't going to happen.

http://school.salescrunch.com/files/2011/02/no-sale-sign-300x1961.jpg

Rams Fan
12-17-2011, 12:07 PM
He then went to the Rams and is working with a #1 overall QB... while I was never excited about Bradford he had a solid rookie year, and now he's regressed. I don't know what on earth people are seeing. There are probably scores of more qualified assistant coaches who deserve an opportunity.


Bradford has regressed because no one, I repeat no one, from the opening day OL is starting at their position they played.

Amendola is out for the year, too.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 12:08 PM
McDumbass is not going to turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB.

To get the production from Cassel that he got out of him in '08, he had to use a college offense.

That will win some games, but it won't win in the playoffs.

A QB has to be able to make plays, both from the spread, and from the Pro Set to win when it matters the most.

I don't think he will either, but that was not in the hypothetical question now was it?

milkman
12-17-2011, 12:08 PM
Don't want RGIII, Don't want McDonalds, don't want C@$$hole...

Let me guess.

You're on the Landry Jones bandwagon.

BossChief
12-17-2011, 12:09 PM
So, If you were guaranteed McDaniels would turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB and could take this team to a SB, you wouldn't take that just because its Cassel?

That's fucking stupid.
Cassel has shown the ability to shit his pants when the situation requires him to step his game up.

I see McD as a guy that would get Cassel back to his 2010 level and would have a good connection with him....but that would NEVER take away the fact that Cassel cant handle pressure situations and that would cost us 3 years and at least one playoff embarrassment during that span.

It would get us stuck with a guy that is no better than top 12 in the league.

To answer your question, yes.

I absolutely think weve seen enough of Cassel to know that even if he plays better against better teams, when the situation dictates a need for the QB to be the best player on the field (to win a title, you absolutely need that) and to make plays to win a shootout, we would be in a gun fight with a dull plastic spork.

milkman
12-17-2011, 12:09 PM
I don't think he will either, but that was not in the hypothetical question now was it?

I like BossChief, but the hypothetical situation was a dumbass post.

Rausch
12-17-2011, 12:11 PM
Let me guess.

You're on the Landry Jones bandwagon.

Nein...

BossChief
12-17-2011, 12:12 PM
McDumbass is not going to turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB.

To get the production from Cassel that he got out of him in '08, he had to use a college offense.

That will win some games, but it won't win in the playoffs.

A QB has to be able to make plays, both from the spread, and from the Pro Set to win when it matters the most.

exactly

Jive Ass
12-17-2011, 12:13 PM
I'm really not so sure that McDaniels realized that Tebow would require the offensive strategy of a high school football team to win games. This article is okay, but it paints the picture of McD being fully aware that as an ordinary QB, Tebow sucks. I doubt anyone anticipated that he would be used the way he is now.

BossChief
12-17-2011, 12:15 PM
I like BossChief, but the hypothetical situation was a dumbass post.

haha yeah, re-reading it I chose some words that didnt really paint the picture I wanted to paint.

my bad

Rausch
12-17-2011, 12:16 PM
I'm really not so sure that McDaniels realized that Tebow would require the offensive strategy of a high school football team to win games. This article is okay, but it paints the picture of McD being fully aware that as an ordinary QB, Tebow sucks. I doubt anyone anticipated that he would be used the way he is now.

Why wouldn't they?...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-17-2011, 12:17 PM
You can't get someone to play to their form when that form occurred in an aberrational year when their INT rate was preposterously low.

BossChief
12-17-2011, 12:18 PM
I'm really not so sure that McDaniels realized that Tebow would require the offensive strategy of a high school football team to win games. This article is okay, but it paints the picture of McD being fully aware that as an ordinary QB, Tebow sucks. I doubt anyone anticipated that he would be used the way he is now.

I wish I could figure this out.

I post and by the time it shows up, I read the posts right before mine (that I never saw due to the time between posts) and some similarity always pops up like this and me saying in my post "paints the picture"

weird.

Moving right along...

Jive Ass
12-17-2011, 12:20 PM
Why wouldn't they?...

It's clear that they didn't know how to use him at all in his first few starts. He was considered one of the worst QBs in the league, but suddenly he's heralded because they made their system so unorthodox. I just don't know that any coach, even McDaniels, could have anticipated that they would have to use him in the way that they have.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 12:22 PM
It's clear that they didn't know how to use him at all in his first few starts. He was considered one of the worst QBs in the league, but suddenly he's heralded because they made their system so unorthodox. I just don't know that any coach, even McDaniels, could have anticipated that they would have to use him in the way that they have.

He still is one of the worst QB's in the league.

When teams start learning to not abandon what they've been doing on defense in the last 7 mins of the game, Tebow will be run out of town.

Rausch
12-17-2011, 12:23 PM
It's clear that they didn't know how to use him at all in his first few starts. He was considered one of the worst QBs in the league, but suddenly he's heralded because ...

Stop.

He's still $hit.

However, look at the ranking (yards and pts) of his defense over his 6 games.

Guess what?

That defense got pretty good...

BoneKrusher
12-17-2011, 12:25 PM
It's clear that they didn't know how to use him at all in his first few starts. He was considered one of the worst QBs in the league, but suddenly he's heralded because they made their system so unorthodox. I just don't know that any coach, even McDaniels, could have anticipated that they would have to use him in the way that they have.

it must be nice to be a Denver fan these days and have a coaching staff that will adjust the offense to fit what their players do best.

Jive Ass
12-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Stop.

He's still $hit.

However, look at the ranking (yards and pts) of his defense over his 6 games.

Guess what?

That defense got pretty good...

Man, you're easy to piss off. I never said he was good. Where in my post does it say that? I said he is heralded because, all of a sudden, something changed. It wasn't necessarily centered around Tebow. It was just surrounding what it took to not fuck everything up. If the defense got good, whatever, people are going to look at the 4th QTR comebacks like it's on Tebow's shoulders no matter the lack of involvement he really has.

milkman
12-17-2011, 12:34 PM
He still is one of the worst QB's in the league.

When teams start learning to not abandon what they've been doing on defense in the last 7 mins of the game, Tebow will be run out of town.

That can be said for every QB in the league.

Paul Brown designed the prevent defense to protect big leads late in games in an era when QBs couldn't stop the clock by spiking the ball.

It was never designed to protect 3 or 7 point leads, even then.

NFL coaches have skewed the plan, and the result is more and more comeback wins than ever.

It's stupid to stop playing the defense that helped get you a 10-14 point lead with more than 3 or 4 minutes remaining.

It's clear that they didn't know how to use him at all in his first few starts. He was considered one of the worst QBs in the league, but suddenly he's heralded because they made their system so unorthodox. I just don't know that any coach, even McDaniels, could have anticipated that they would have to use him in the way that they have.

Really, what the Donkeys are doing right now is much the same formula that Marty used to win regular season games, with just a different wrinkle.

Run the ball, control the clock, and play defense.

That will win you a lot of games.

But the bottom line is that you will need a QB that can compete with the Bradys, Roethlisbergers, and Rodgers when the playoffs roll around.

Chiefspants
12-17-2011, 12:43 PM
Stop.

He's still $hit.

However, look at the ranking (yards and pts) of his defense over his 6 games.

Guess what?

That defense got pretty good...

He's not saying on it's on Tebow's shoulders, in fact, his point is the very antithesis of that idea. The fact is, if a team is winning games, such as the Broncos, the media has a natural inclination to bestow the credit upon the quarterback, especially when many of those victories were clinched in the fourth quarter/overtime.

Even Matt Cassel had a fifteen minute love affair with the media last year, (and not to mention an invitation to the Pro Bowl.) But, does that mean he possessed any true talent at the quarterback position?

BoneKrusher
12-17-2011, 12:48 PM
He's not saying on it's on Tebow's shoulders, in fact, his point is the very antithesis of that idea. The fact is, if a team is winning games, such as the Broncos, the media has a natural inclination to bestow the credit upon the quarterback, especially when many of those victories were clinched in the fourth quarter/overtime.

Even Matt Cassel had a fifteen minute love affair with the media last year, (and not to mention an invitation to the Pro Bowl.) But, does that mean he possessed any true talent at the quarterback position?

spot on Dude.

Ebolapox
12-17-2011, 12:58 PM
That isn't right.

The Rams have ran about 60% percent passing plays on offense, with 40% plays being rushing.

I'm ok with that percentage as LONG as you have a franchise QB and weapons for him to use. it's a passing league--green bay isn't winning via the run game, folks.

mcan
12-17-2011, 01:12 PM
Tebow is like a Joan of Arc character. And eventually, he'll be burned at the stake. But the placebo effect of thinking that God is on your side can be pretty powerful for awhile. Just ask the French...

NJChiefsFan
12-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Anyone and cassel in 2012 we are ****ed

FYP

Okie_Apparition
12-17-2011, 01:50 PM
IF Haley really said "They're talking a lot of shit about you"
It would've been all over the Chiefs locker room. He'd be worthless here

rad
12-17-2011, 01:55 PM
From "Executive of the Decade" to "nobody is gonna want to work with that GM".

:facepalm:


Hey, it's a new decade!!

WhiteWhale
12-17-2011, 02:05 PM
Look, I'll be pissed if we hire McD.

I might even stop watching NFL football altogether. I'm feeling pretty apathetic with the team.

I also think McD is a bright coach with a good future. I just think he was pushed up the ladder far too quickly and it went to his head. I think what he needs right now is what he's getting. Humbled.

FAX
12-17-2011, 02:10 PM
I find it difficult to believe that anybody ... any-friggin-body would be "okay" with McDaniels as HC of the Chiefs.

Man. How far we have fallen.

FAX

milkman
12-17-2011, 02:14 PM
I find it difficult to believe that anybody ... any-friggin-body would be "okay" with McDaniels as HC of the Chiefs.

Man. How far we have fallen.

FAX

Question here.

I am of the opinion that it's going to come down to Fisher or McDumbass, as I stated earlier.

Of those two, which would you prefer?

DTLB58
12-17-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm guessing the Rams know the Chiefs are after him and they'll want compensation for him. But I thought it was ok for an assistant coach to leave a team compensation free if it's a promotion...

Yes that is allowed, just not a lateral move.

But if spags gets fired then maybe he could come over on a lateral move if the new HC wants his own staff...

jd1020
12-17-2011, 02:19 PM
Question here.

I am of the opinion that it's going to come down to Fisher or McDumbass, as I stated earlier.

Of those two, which would you prefer?

Fisher as HC and McDaniels as OC.

Will never happen though. KC is reportedly only willing to offer half of what Fisher got in Tennessee and what other teams in need of a coach would offer him.

They are just throwing his name out there to give the illusions that they give a shit.

DTLB58
12-17-2011, 02:21 PM
Question here.

I am of the opinion that it's going to come down to Fisher or McDumbass, as I stated earlier.

Of those two, which would you prefer?

Fisher, Who wants a coach named McDumbass?

I might be alright with him as O coordinator but no fricking way as HC!

Flachief58
12-17-2011, 02:24 PM
I hear he scrubs a mean toilet. Bring him in for a look....

milkman
12-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Fisher as HC and McDaniels as OC.

Will never happen though. KC is reportedly only willing to offer half of what Fisher got in Tennessee and what other teams in need of a coach would offer him.

They are just throwing his name out there to give the illusions that they give a shit.

An average of 8 and 1/2 wins and 6 playoff appearences in 17 years.

Yeah, that kind of mediocrity excites the hell out of me.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 02:29 PM
You can't get someone to play to their form when that form occurred in an aberrational year when their INT rate was preposterously low.

Yeah, in that Pro Bowl year, Cassel's YPA were nothing special.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 02:33 PM
An average of 8 and 1/2 wins and 6 playoff appearences in 17 years.

Yeah, that kind of mediocrity excites the hell out of me.

By all means... Lets go get Brian Billick, an offensive guy, with the same average wins and won because of his teams defense.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Would like to think Jeff Fisher = New QB

Red Brooklyn
12-17-2011, 02:56 PM
Question here.

I am of the opinion that it's going to come down to Fisher or McDumbass, as I stated earlier.

Of those two, which would you prefer?
Same question to you.

I'm not thrilled by the idea of Jeff Fisher. But, to me, Josh McDaniels is toxic.

milkman
12-17-2011, 03:07 PM
Same question to you.

I'm not thrilled by the idea of Jeff Fisher. But, to me, Josh McDaniels is toxic.

I've already answered this.

Jeff Fisher had 17 years to show us what he is, and there's no way in hell you can expect him to change that.

McDumbass made some huge mistakes, but he only had a season and a half, which means there's a chance he can improve.

And he won't be the guy making the decisions.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 03:08 PM
What do you guys chalk up McDaniels 6-0 start to? I remember he beat New England, Dallas, and San Diego. Not too shabby.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 03:14 PM
I've already answered this.

Jeff Fisher had 17 years to show us what he is, and there's no way in hell you can expect him to change that.

McDumbass made some huge mistakes, but he only had a season and a half, which means there's a chance he can improve.

And he won't be the guy making the decisions.

Didn't you say the other day that you want Marty back?

;)

Brock
12-17-2011, 03:17 PM
I've already answered this.

Jeff Fisher had 17 years to show us what he is, and there's no way in hell you can expect him to change that.

McDumbass made some huge mistakes, but he only had a season and a half, which means there's a chance he can improve.

And he won't be the guy making the decisions.

Pretty much how I feel about it. Fisher is what he is.

milkman
12-17-2011, 03:18 PM
By all means... Lets go get Brian Billick, an offensive guy, with the same average wins and won because of his teams defense.

He showed the ability to adapt, and he won a SB with Trent Dilfer.

Jeff Fisher went with the same old stale offense and couldn't win a SB with Steve McNair.

milkman
12-17-2011, 03:23 PM
Let's be clear on this.

I don't want Brian Billick as the next HC.

I don't want Josh McDumbass as the next HC.

I don't want Jeff Fisher as the next HC.

But if you're telling me that I have to take any of those 3, Billick would be my first choice.

I want no part of Jeff Fisher.

-King-
12-17-2011, 03:48 PM
Let's be clear on this.

I don't want Brian Billick as the next HC.

I don't want Josh McDumbass as the next HC.

I don't want Jeff Fisher as the next HC.

But if you're telling me that I have to take any of those 3, Billick would be my first choice.

I want no part of Jeff Fisher.

I'd like Pagano too but I don't think he'll leave Baltimore this year.
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The Bad Guy
12-17-2011, 04:11 PM
Fisher as HC and McDaniels as OC.

Will never happen though. KC is reportedly only willing to offer half of what Fisher got in Tennessee and what other teams in need of a coach would offer him.

They are just throwing his name out there to give the illusions that they give a shit.

The reports that the Chiefs won't pay a coach are complete unsubstantiated bullshit.

They pay Romeo 2 mill a year. They paid Weis 2 million a year. They paid Haley 3 million a year and they pay Pioli 5 million a year.

Clark Hunt is more than willing to invest in the coaching staff. Money will not be the thing that keeps Fisher from coaching here. Pioli will be.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 04:14 PM
The reports that the Chiefs won't pay a coach are complete unsubstantiated bullshit.

They pay Romeo 2 mill a year. They paid Weis 2 million a year. They paid Haley 3 million a year and they pay Pioli 5 million a year.

Clark Hunt is more than willing to invest in the coaching staff. Money will not be the thing that keeps Fisher from coaching here. Pioli will be.

Have you heard anything new BG?

DeezNutz
12-17-2011, 04:22 PM
Pretty much how I feel about it. Fisher is what he is.

Astrix. He was also dealing with a pain-in-the-ass, meddling owner.

What is he: smart and fucking tough. He's Marty with playoff success. Not the ultimate success, which I believe will be a huge motivating factor for him in job #2.

He is, hands down in my opinion, the top available candidate.

DeezNutz
12-17-2011, 04:24 PM
Let's be clear on this.

I don't want Brian Billick as the next HC.

I don't want Josh McDumbass as the next HC.

I don't want Jeff Fisher as the next HC.

But if you're telling me that I have to take any of those 3, Billick would be my first choice.

I want no part of Jeff Fisher.

I'll pass on the offensive "genious" who could never find a QB. He and McfuckingWorthless are on the same level for me.

tk13
12-17-2011, 04:30 PM
I think I'd take Fisher 100 times out of 100 over McDaniels. I don't think it's even close, but McDaniels is welcome to prove me wrong. But I also don't think Fisher is Marty. He's probably closer to Rex Ryan. Chiefs fans are so burned out that any kind of physical football is Martyball.

WhiteWhale
12-17-2011, 04:31 PM
I think I'd take Fisher 100 times out of 100 over McDaniels. I don't think it's even close, but McDaniels is welcome to prove me wrong. But I also don't think Fisher is Marty. He's probably closer to Rex Ryan. Chiefs fans are so burned out that any kind of physical football is Martyball.

Fisher is not Rex Ryan.

He's John Fox.

BIG_DADDY
12-17-2011, 04:34 PM
Fisher would be WAY better than McDaniels.

The Bad Guy
12-17-2011, 04:40 PM
Have you heard anything new BG?

I heard, which I posted the other day, that RAC and Fisher are the 2 most serious candidates. Clark is leaning on Marty a lot (cringe) about this decision and it's not a decision that Pioli will make alone.

Pioli does not want Fisher, at all, but Clark wants a coach that's squeaky clean and can be the face of the franchise.

DeezNutz
12-17-2011, 04:44 PM
The best part about hiring a guy like Fisher would be that it would signal that he, not Pioli, is truly the alpha male in KC. If shit goes south, guess who stays and who goes? Bye-bye Patriot Way and all your superfluous bullshit.

This would be very similar to the early part of Cowher's career in Pitt.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 04:56 PM
What's the over under on how long a Pioli/Fisher relationship would last? I'll say an hour. I'd imagine Fisher will demand we draft a QB since we're picking in the top 10.

notorious
12-17-2011, 05:00 PM
The direction this offseason coming up appears to be headed, it seems that Pioli's two chioces will come down to him or Fisher, and the fact is, I'd rather have McDumbass.

The chance does exist that he did learn from his mistakes.

Jeff Fisher is the very epitome of mediocrity and I want no part of him.



This.

notorious
12-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Fisher would be WAY better than McDaniels.

If you want 8-8 every year with a possible 13-3 season with playoff collapse.



Sounds familiar.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 05:09 PM
The preference for Fisher over McDaniels seems inconsistent with the general tone of this board, which is there are only two true outcomes: the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, or the Chiefs do not win the Super Bowl. Sure, chances are McDaniels falls flat on his face, but there is maybe a 5-10% McDaniels may be a REALLY good coach. We already know Jeff Fisher is not.

Sure, in expected value terms, Fisher wins more games than McDaniels, but I thought you guys only cared about the tail of the distribution.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:12 PM
I heard, which I posted the other day, that RAC and Fisher are the 2 most serious candidates. Clark is leaning on Marty a lot (cringe) about this decision and it's not a decision that Pioli will make alone.

Pioli does not want Fisher, at all, but Clark wants a coach that's squeaky clean and can be the face of the franchise.

I wish we'd draft a franchise QB to be the face of the franchise...

Any word on Cassel's future here?

jd1020
12-17-2011, 05:12 PM
but there is maybe a 5-10% McDaniels may be a REALLY good coach.

I'd love to see how those numbers were figured.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 05:12 PM
The preference for Fisher over McDaniels seems inconsistent with the general tone of this board, which is there are only two true outcomes: the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, or the Chiefs do not win the Super Bowl. Sure, chances are McDaniels falls flat on his face, but there is maybe a 5-10% McDaniels may be a REALLY good coach. We already know Jeff Fisher is not.

Sure, in expected value terms, Fisher wins more games than McDaniels, but I thought you guys only cared about the tail of the distribution.

Eh Fisher made the playoffs 5 times in the 2000's McDaniels can't even get an offense to score more than 10 points. The choice is pretty obvious IMO.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:13 PM
What's the over under on how long a Pioli/Fisher relationship would last? I'll say an hour. I'd imagine Fisher will demand we draft a QB since we're picking in the top 10.
Fisher didn't get along with his former GM too well did he?

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:13 PM
Hunt will never allow McDaniels to coach here.

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:14 PM
If Fisher becomes HC, it pretty much reduces Pioli to "head of scouting."

Then he can be fired for horrible personnel decisions.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 05:18 PM
Fisher didn't get along with his former GM too well did he?

I thought he got into it with his owner over Vince Young?

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:21 PM
Question here.

I am of the opinion that it's going to come down to Fisher or McDumbass, as I stated earlier.

Of those two, which would you prefer?

I'll take Fisher, because even if he is what everyone thinks he is, we're more likely to luck into a SB by drafting the right QB than we are to witness McDaniels suddenly becoming a competent HC instead of a screaming nitwit.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:22 PM
I thought he got into it with his owner over Vince Young?

Yeah either him or the GM, can't remember which...

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:23 PM
I'll take Fisher, because even if he is what everyone thinks he is, we're more likely to luck into a SB by drafting the right QB than we are to witness McDaniels suddenly becoming a competent HC instead of a screaming nitwit.

Would Fisher keep the 3-4?

listopencil
12-17-2011, 05:25 PM
Just to be clear, McD planned to sit Tebow for a few seasons and develop him. It's obvious from the way the way the contract was written.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 05:25 PM
Yeah either him or the GM, can't remember which...

Looks like it was a real shitty situation kinda like here. I'd be surprised to get him.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/sports/29leading.html

tk13
12-17-2011, 05:25 PM
The preference for Fisher over McDaniels seems inconsistent with the general tone of this board, which is there are only two true outcomes: the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, or the Chiefs do not win the Super Bowl. Sure, chances are McDaniels falls flat on his face, but there is maybe a 5-10% McDaniels may be a REALLY good coach. We already know Jeff Fisher is not.

Sure, in expected value terms, Fisher wins more games than McDaniels, but I thought you guys only cared about the tail of the distribution.

The flipside is from all accounts Jeff Fisher will go somewhere where he can have or draft a great QB. McDaniels possibly increases the odds we go with some project they think they can coach up.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 05:30 PM
The flipside is from all accounts Jeff Fisher will go somewhere where he can have or draft a great QB. McDaniels possibly increases the odds we go with some project they think they can coach up.

Good point. I just can't wrap my head around Fisher vs. McDaniels. Seems polar opposite choices. Who the hell knows what is going on...

I still think Haley was fired primarily over giving up on Cassel...

notorious
12-17-2011, 05:31 PM
Common wisdom says that a franchise will hire the polar opposite of the previous coach.


Scary business.

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:31 PM
Would Fisher keep the 3-4?

No way to know.

scott free
12-17-2011, 05:33 PM
So, If you were guaranteed McDaniels would turn Cassel into a playoff winning QB and could take this team to a SB, you wouldn't take that just because its Cassel?

That's ****ing stupid.

Thing is, McDaniels cant make Cassel a 'deep into the playoffs guy', nor can anyone else... the guy is what he is, a well thought of backup qb.

The list of things he isnt capable of is a mile long & no coach can fix that.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:35 PM
The flipside is from all accounts Jeff Fisher will go somewhere where he can have or draft a great QB. McDaniels possibly increases the odds we go with some project they think they can coach up.

But what would the chances be of Fisher talking Pioli into getting rid of Cassel? If all this Pioli is married to Cassel talk is true, I can't remember a GM backing a player so much and controlling his keeping

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:36 PM
But what would the chances be of Fisher talking Pioli into getting rid of Cassel? If all this Pioli is married to Cassel talk is true, I can't remember a GM backing a player so much and controlling his keeping

Fisher likely wouldn't have to talk Pioli into anything.

He'd have the power to choose his own QB.

The Bad Guy
12-17-2011, 05:38 PM
Anyone coming in here is going to have to run a 3-4. There's absolutely no point in going back to a 4-3 with this team now that we actually have 4 linebackers that can play. Belcher gets a raw deal on here.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:42 PM
Fisher likely wouldn't have to talk Pioli into anything.

He'd have the power to choose his own QB.

Pioli would probably put a gun on the table after Fisher signs the contract and say, "so...what do you think of Cassel again?"

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 05:43 PM
Fisher likely wouldn't have to talk Pioli into anything.

He'd have the power to choose his own QB.

Sad thing is, I'd have much rather than power to Haley than Fisher.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 05:43 PM
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If you really think fisher is coming to KC come back from Fantasy land.

jd1020
12-17-2011, 05:44 PM
Sad thing is, I'd have much rather than power to Haley than Fisher.

I'm glad you aren't the owner of the Chiefs.

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:44 PM
Sad thing is, I'd have much rather than power to Haley than Fisher.

That's because you have an irrational love for Haley based on his demeanor and style, not because he's actually a good football coach.

The Bad Guy
12-17-2011, 05:44 PM
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If you really think fisher is coming to KC come back from Fantasy land.

I'd put your opinions on this board somewhere between RoyR's and Chiefzilla. Both are awful, one just articulates his thoughts a lot worse than the other.

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:45 PM
If you really think fisher is coming to KC come back from Fantasy land.

At this point I'm not nearly as confident as I was that Haley was gone, but I'd say he's one of the top three candidates for sure.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 05:46 PM
That's because you have an irrational love for Haley based on his demeanor and style, not because he's actually a good football coach.

Not really, and the ironic thing is Fisher seems to have a similar style to Haley.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 05:46 PM
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If you really think fisher is coming to KC come back from Fantasy land.

Weren't you arguing with Clay and I that Haley wouldn't be fired just last week?

notorious
12-17-2011, 05:47 PM
Weren't you arguing with Clay and I that Haley wouldn't be fired just last week?

Is he a CoMo mult?

sedated
12-17-2011, 05:48 PM
That stuff about RG3 going ahead of Luck are completely stupid, and yet completely typical this time of year.

tk13
12-17-2011, 05:52 PM
That stuff about RG3 going ahead of Luck are completely stupid, and yet completely typical this time of year.

Chris Mortensen said the same thing the other day. Didn't paint it like some huge shift though... just said RG3's stock was rising and he'd talked to 2-3 front office people who would consider putting him ahead of Luck.

I think part of that might be everyone already shot their wad on Luck, there's no more excitement there. He's going to the Colts.

notorious
12-17-2011, 05:53 PM
Chris Mortensen said the same thing the other day. Didn't paint it like some huge shift though... just said RG3's stock was rising and he'd talked to 2-3 front office people who would consider putting him ahead of Luck.

I think part of that might be everyone already shot their wad on Luck, there's no more excitement there. He's going to the Colts.

Mortensen also said that Landry Jones is in his top 15, and that he might be in his top 5 fairly soon.


Fucking idiot.

scott free
12-17-2011, 05:55 PM
I'll say this about Fisher, he'll put together a tough defense & run game if he comes here... but its a good thing we already have talent at the wr positions, because he flat out SUCKS at finding it.

He didnt have a single stud on his roster for his entire tenure with Tennessee & i'm not all that confident he's a great judge of qb's either, while i liked what i knew of Steve McNair the guy, he did O for me as a passer... didnt throw a very pretty ball & wasnt all that accurate either, then Fisher followed him up with Kerry Collins iirc LMAO.

tk13
12-17-2011, 05:56 PM
Mortensen also said that Landry Jones is in his top 15, and that he might be in his top 5 fairly soon.


****ing idiot.

Yeah, but him personally evaluating players is obviously a different thing than front office executives telling him they like RG III... unless he's just lying.

stonedstooge
12-17-2011, 05:57 PM
Are the Chiefs going to wait and see how Romeo does or hire someone before the end of the season? Kind of interested in seeing how he does. Maybe he can get it right the second time

Chiefs Pantalones
12-17-2011, 05:58 PM
Fisher will probably draft Monte Ball with the first round pick lol

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 05:58 PM
Are the Chiefs going to wait and see how Romeo does or hire someone before the end of the season? Kind of interested in seeing how he does. Maybe he can get it right the second time

Well McDummy and the whole rams staff wont be fired for another 15 days.

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 05:59 PM
I'll say this about Fisher, he'll put together a tough defense & run game if he comes here... but its a good thing we already have talent at the wr positions, because he flat out SUCKS at finding it.

He didnt have a single stud on his roster for his entire tenure with Tennessee & i'm not all that confident he's a great judge of qb's either, while i liked what i knew of Steve McNair the guy, he did O for me as a passer... didnt throw a very pretty ball & wasnt all that accurate either, then Fisher followed him up with Kerry Collins iirc LMAO.

He went with Kerry Collins because the owner tied his hands with the selection of Vince Young.

And they did draft Derrick Mason early in Fisher's tenure there. He has almost 1,000 career catches.

Here is my biggest concern with Fisher: He will overuse Jamaal and if he doesn't run him into the ground in three years, he'll probably be injured.

Then again if we get the right QB, that won't really matter.

scott free
12-17-2011, 06:12 PM
He went with Kerry Collins because the owner tied his hands with the selection of Vince Young.

And they did draft Derrick Mason early in Fisher's tenure there. He has almost 1,000 career catches.

Here is my biggest concern with Fisher: He will overuse Jamaal and if he doesn't run him into the ground in three years, he'll probably be injured.

Then again if we get the right QB, that won't really matter.

Fair enough point on Collins, but Mason was never a 'gamebreaker' in any sense of the word, just a reliable possession guy.

And you're probably right, he'd grind Charles into hamburger.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-17-2011, 06:18 PM
Let me preface this by saying that I was in favor of the Pioli hire, I drank the NFL Executive of the Year koolaid, and I was sure he would prove the handful of naysayers (Whitlock) at the time of his hire wrong--just so you know where I'm coming from.

Pioli will absolutely hire McDaniels, in my opinion. I can't imagine a top-notch coach with other options would want to have anything to do with working under an clueless, egomaniac, control-freak like Pioli. I live in Denver. I saw the disaster that was Josh McDaniels. The guy alienated everyone in the Donk's organization and an entire city in less than 2 years. Sure he drafted Tebow, but as a HC he was an unqualified disaster. Which is why Pioli will hire him. Pioli is a failure. A complete fraud. Any GM who thinks Matt Cassel is an adequate NFL starter and that Tyler Palko is an adequate backup is by definition totally freaking clueless. Pioli has no chance to lead the Chiefs out of this mess because he obviously isn't a good evaluator of talent--on the field, or on his coaching staff. Since it looks like Ferentz is out (no problem with that here), it's definitely gonna be McDaniels or Crennel. No way Pioli is secure enough in his own ability to step outside the circle.

The curtain has been pulled back in the Kingdom of Oz, and Pioli is just a paranoid little fraud, frantically using the fog machine and the pyrotechnics, blindly pushing buttons and pulling levers hoping that somehow, something will work. But the Emperor has no clothes. Not a ****ing stitch.

I'll never jump ship. I'm a Chief fan for life, like it or not. But it's gotten to the point that I've stopped thinking about a 3-yr or 5-yr plan in terms of the Chiefs success. I've got some friends who are diehard Cub's fans, so I've seen what can happen. I'm now thinking in terms of a 50-year plan. I just want the Chiefs to contend for a championship at least once while I'm still living. Firing Pioli's ignorant ass brings them one step closer to that goal, so whatever makes that happen as soon as possible (ie, hiring McDaniels), I'm on board with.

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 06:21 PM
Why is everyone assuming Pioli is calling the shots on this 100%?

I think the very fact that Fisher's name is coming up so much is because Clark is stepping in.

At this point, if McDaniels is hired, it's because Pioli convinced Clark it was the thing to do.

The Bad Guy
12-17-2011, 06:22 PM
The only reason I'm really against McDaniels here is because him coming here means Cassel for an infinite amount of time.

Once that ink dries on the contract he's going to get from Pioli, that's the day that I finally care more about my fantasy football teams than I do this shitbag organization.

stonedstooge
12-17-2011, 06:23 PM
Let me preface this by saying that I was in favor of the Pioli hire, I drank the NFL Executive of the Year koolaid, and I was sure he would prove the handful of naysayers (Whitlock) at the time of his hire wrong--just so you know where I'm coming from.

Pioli will absolutely hire McDaniels, in my opinion. I can't imagine a top-notch coach with other options would want to have anything to do with working under an clueless, egomaniac, control-freak like Pioli. I live in Denver. I saw the disaster that was Josh McDaniels. The guy alienated everyone in the Donk's organization and an entire city in less than 2 years. Sure he drafted Tebow, but as a HC he was an unqualified disaster. Which is why Pioli will hire him. Pioli is a failure. A complete fraud. Any GM who thinks Matt Cassel is an adequate NFL starter and that Tyler Palko is an adequate backup is by definition totally freaking clueless. Pioli has no chance to lead the Chiefs out of this mess because he obviously isn't a good evaluator of talent--on the field, or on his coaching staff. Since it looks like Ferentz is out (no problem with that here), it's definitely gonna be McDaniels or Crennel. No way Pioli is secure enough in his own ability to step outside the circle.

The curtain has been pulled back in the Kingdom of Oz, and Pioli is just a paranoid little fraud, frantically using the fog machine and the pyrotechnics, blindly pushing buttons and pulling levers hoping that somehow, something will work. But the Emperor has no clothes. Not a ****ing stitch.

I'll never jump ship. I'm a Chief fan for life, like it or not. But it's gotten to the point that I've stopped thinking about a 3-yr or 5-yr plan in terms of the Chiefs success. I've got some friends who are diehard Cub's fans, so I've seen what can happen. I'm now thinking in terms of a 50-year plan. I just want the Chiefs to contend for a championship at least once while I'm still living. Firing Pioli's ignorant ass brings them one step closer to that goal, so whatever makes that happen as soon as possible (ie, hiring McDaniels), I'm on board with.
Now Todd has an account LMAO

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 06:23 PM
Why is everyone assuming Pioli is calling the shots on this 100%?

I think the very fact that Fisher's name is coming up so much is because Clark is stepping in.

At this point, if McDaniels is hired, it's because Pioli convinced Clark it was the thing to do.

The only people that say fisher in KC is WPI

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 06:27 PM
The only people that say fisher in KC is WPI

Wrong, it's coming from multiple sources.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 06:28 PM
Wrong, it's coming from multiple sources.

LOL

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 06:34 PM
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-12-12/kansas-city-chiefs-report-jeff-fisher-kirk-ferentz-possible-successors

Kansas City Chiefs team report: Jeff Fisher, Kirk Ferentz possible successors

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2011, 06:36 PM
CasserlyCBSCharley Casserly

@ChiefsandOsFan I do not see Fisher going there. McDaniels will be a hard sell to KC fan base & I think Clark Hunt will be sensitive to that

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 06:38 PM
CasserlyCBSCharley Casserly

@ChiefsandOsFan I do not see Fisher going there. McDaniels will be a hard sell to KC fan base & I think Clark Hunt will be sensitive to that

Way to commit, Charlie.

Chiefnj2
12-17-2011, 06:40 PM
I'd take Marty with a young aggressive OC over Fisher any day of the week.

Mr_Tomahawk
12-17-2011, 06:41 PM
I'd take Marty with a young aggressive OC over Fisher any day of the week.

I will take anyone who drafts a franchise QB and benches Cassel in the process...

Okie_Apparition
12-17-2011, 06:42 PM
McDaniels would have failed with Tebow this year. Fox can keep the jealousy for Tebow(not his fault) getting all the media attention under control. McDaniels would be fist pumping his drafting prowess for reporters. Making the locker room tense

milkman
12-17-2011, 06:44 PM
I'll pass on the offensive "genious" who could never find a QB. He and Mc****ingWorthless are on the same level for me.

Who was drafted at QB that the Ravens had the chance to draft while Billick was the coach in Baltimore?

As for Jeff Fisher, when his team got ahead in games, Marty could only dream of becoming as conservative as Jeff Fisher.

I have no problem with physical football.

As a matter of fact, I enjoy watching teams that can dominate physically on both sides of the ball and impose their will on the opposition far more than a finesse team.

But the fact remains, you have to be able to pass the ball in the NFL in today's game, and you only set yourself up for losing by playing not to lose.

Marty was a master at that, but Jeff Fisher makes him look like a rank amateur, by comparison.

milkman
12-17-2011, 06:46 PM
I'd take Marty with a young aggressive OC over Fisher any day of the week.

Quoted to show my agreement with this post.

Chief Roundup
12-17-2011, 06:50 PM
Wrong, it's coming from multiple sources.

Thought the Chiefs wouldn't pay his demands?

ILChief
12-17-2011, 06:51 PM
Who was drafted at QB that the Ravens had the chance to draft while Billick was the coach in Baltimore?

As for Jeff Fisher, when his team got ahead in games, Marty could only dream of becoming as conservative as Jeff Fisher.

I have no problem with physical football.

As a matter of fact, I enjoy watching teams that can dominate physically on both sides of the ball and impose their will on the opposition far more than a finesse team.

But the fact remains, you have to be able to pass the ball in the NFL in today's game, and you only set yourself up for losing by playing not to lose.

Marty was a master at that, but Jeff Fisher makes him look like a rank amateur, by comparison.

The only QBs that I can recall Baltimore drafting were Kyle Boller and Chris Redman.

Chief Roundup
12-17-2011, 06:51 PM
Who was drafted at QB that the Ravens had the chance to draft while Billick was the coach in Baltimore?

As for Jeff Fisher, when his team got ahead in games, Marty could only dream of becoming as conservative as Jeff Fisher.

I have no problem with physical football.

As a matter of fact, I enjoy watching teams that can dominate physically on both sides of the ball and impose their will on the opposition far more than a finesse team.

But the fact remains, you have to be able to pass the ball in the NFL in today's game, and you only set yourself up for losing by playing not to lose.

Marty was a master at that, but Jeff Fisher makes him look like a rank amateur, by comparison.
Didn't Billick draft Boller?

scott free
12-17-2011, 07:02 PM
Please God, dont let it be Billick, the offensive mastermind who could only win with all world defenses.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 07:20 PM
Why Jeff Fisher? Marty dominates Fisher. If we want an old-school good coach, I can't imagine Clark Hunt couldn't convince Marty for another 2-3 year run while a successor was groomed.

Chocolate Hog
12-17-2011, 07:28 PM
It's sad seeing people asking for Marty to comeback.

FringeNC
12-17-2011, 07:29 PM
It's sad seeing people asking for Marty to comeback.

Compare Fisher's record to Marty's. If we want a Marty-style coach, why go with a cheap imitation?

stonedstooge
12-17-2011, 07:30 PM
It's sad seeing people asking for Marty to comeback.

Joe Gibbs says "Things change after you've been out a few years."

Count Zarth
12-17-2011, 07:33 PM
Compare Fisher's record to Marty's. If we want a Marty-style coach, why go with a cheap imitation?

Because Marty is ancient?

Frosty
12-17-2011, 09:12 PM
The only QBs that I can recall Baltimore drafting were Kyle Boller and Chris Redman.

I think he meant who else could the Ravens have drafted at QB that would have been worth a damn. The next QB off the board after Boller was Rex Grossman.