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Count Zarth
12-18-2011, 01:49 PM
We are officially out of the running for any of the quarterbacks this year, barring an unforseen trade that is highly unlikely.

Enjoyable win, but as 'Hamas' would say, "pyrrhic."

DaFace
12-18-2011, 01:49 PM
Yup, but I've never been on the "lose for draft position" side of this argument.

Buck
12-18-2011, 01:52 PM
Those choices don't include a no option.

Otter
12-18-2011, 01:52 PM
Yep, but when the Chiefs need to pull themselves up by the boot strings to **** themselves even harder, that's when they shine.

I'm up $700 because of the outcome however. Congrats to the Chiefs and their retard strength, special little super bowl win once again.

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-18-2011, 01:52 PM
You trying to jinx us?

Bane
12-18-2011, 01:55 PM
Two.Trade up motherfucker!!!

BigMeatballDave
12-18-2011, 01:55 PM
Do you believe Pioli would actually pull the trigger on one?

That is the real question, IMO.

Buck
12-18-2011, 01:55 PM
inb4 the loss

eazyb81
12-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Of course not.

Molitoth
12-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Orton looks fantastic, and I'd give him a year considering Luck and RG3 were already going to be taken anyway. We had the best chance at drafting Landry Jones whom I don't care for at all.

Winning today was nice, although the Redskins AND Dolphins also won... so it would've been a great week to lose if we wanted to sabotage the season for draft position.

If we didn't already win that dumb bears game, I would've preferred to lose.

pr_capone
12-18-2011, 02:01 PM
I will root for a win every single week. If you root for a loss for draft position, you are worthless as a fan and should promptly leave. Preferably to a location that is on fire.

prhom
12-18-2011, 02:02 PM
There was no guarantee we'd draft a QB anyway. If we do, I don't think this win will change Pioli's approach to getting one.

prhom
12-18-2011, 02:03 PM
Bullshit on the announcers. Who gives a shit, they didn't challenge the play. Why bring it up now?

Kyle DeLexus
12-18-2011, 02:04 PM
Looks like Romeo and Orton are the future.

Count Zarth
12-18-2011, 02:05 PM
Looks like Romeo and Orton are the future.

Yep.

Welcome to mediocrity.

Gonzo
12-18-2011, 02:06 PM
Meh, I dunno. Orton looks damn good today. The defense looked fucking phenomenal. Let's see how the rest of the year shakes out. We may have something we can build on.
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cdcox
12-18-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't think we were going to take a QB anyway, so the victory was sweet. Still have a shot at the playoffs too. (ducks)

dirk digler
12-18-2011, 02:08 PM
Definitely. Anytime you can stop a great team like this who was going for 19-0 it is huge win and I hope no one complains about this win.

The Iron Chief
12-18-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm thrilled I dont care and on top of all that I lost my playoff fantasy due to this and i still dont care!

-King-
12-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Yep. I damn near came.

Baby Lee
12-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Just any ol' game? perhaps not.

Crennel's first as HC, Orton's first as QB, against the Pack? Absolfuckinglutely.

splatbass
12-18-2011, 02:10 PM
I will root for a win every single week. If you root for a loss for draft position, you are worthless as a fan and should promptly leave. Preferably to a location that is on fire.

This.

Chiefnj2
12-18-2011, 02:11 PM
Same position as before. If they want to guarantee a shot at the top 3 QBs, they still need to move up.

Fritz88
12-18-2011, 02:12 PM
If we need a QB, we can trade up to get one. If Pioli does not get a QB by trading up, he will not grab one if we have a high draft. **** him.

**** rooting for my team to lose. I will not root for them to lose unless they give up on a game (see 'Fins, Detroit, Bills) games.

Hydrae
12-18-2011, 02:12 PM
The win was fun for sure. At this point I would have no problem keeping Orton for one or two years, trade down in the first and pick up someone like Foles. Let him sit on the bench while we work with Orton. I would NOT do that with Cassell, that 's for sure.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2011, 02:13 PM
You can't be pissed about beating a 13-0 team at home. The fact that it happened without Haley and Cassel is a really good sign.

You wanna bitch about winning certain games, talk about the games we had no business winning, like San Diego, and Chicago. This one should be enjoyed.

This was a good win. It's the first time we've ever beaten a truly legitimate team since Vermeil was here. The Pyrrhic victories were the Minny, Indy, SD, and Chicago games.

KC_Lee
12-18-2011, 02:13 PM
Looks like Romeo and Orton are the future.

Yep, this would be typical for the Chiefs.

Saul Good
12-18-2011, 02:13 PM
The last time we had people rooting for draft position, we got Tyson Jackson.

banyon
12-18-2011, 02:13 PM
One of the Big 3/4 QB's will slide down the board like Rogers and Brady Quinn did. Let's just hope we nab Rogers and not Quinn.

Sutter Cane
12-18-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm happy with today's outcome. We stopped the packers from going 16-0, and managed to actually look like a pretty good team out there. It's always nice to get a win over an elite team.

Pawnmower
12-18-2011, 02:14 PM
Was worth it just to see all the fucking loser fag hags that root for the Chiefs to lose have to eat a big, greasy, hairy bag of dicks.

Fuck you if you root for us to lose.

BillSelfsTrophycase
12-18-2011, 02:17 PM
Yes, still got this guy

America, Fuck Yeah

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dannybcaitlyn
12-18-2011, 02:21 PM
We most likely just beat this seasons superbowl champs. That gives me a little bragging rights at the office. Lol

Shag
12-18-2011, 02:23 PM
I'm not sure it really changed the draft situation that much. Even losing out, KC would likely have had to trade up to get one of the top 3 QBs. That hasn't changed - will just cost more (though, I doubt it was in the plans, anyway)...

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-18-2011, 02:24 PM
Enjoyed the hell out of it.

MiamiDolphins
12-18-2011, 02:25 PM
I voted hooray for winning because no respectable fan wants their team to lose.

GO CHIEFS! 1972 Perfect season remains intact.

Munson
12-18-2011, 02:25 PM
The last time we had people rooting for draft position, we got Tyson Jackson.

At least he's better than BJ Raji. LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2011, 02:25 PM
The last time we had people rooting for draft position, we got Tyson Jackson.

Therefore this will always happen.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 02:26 PM
The only people who believed we had a shot at the top 3 QB's were blind anyways.

Graystoke
12-18-2011, 02:26 PM
Beating Green Bay is never a bad thing.

Never

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 02:28 PM
People who were rooting for the Chiefs to lose out are fucking insane.

mylittlepony
12-18-2011, 02:29 PM
KC winning was an upset but so was a couple of other scores today(WAS over NYG and SEA over CHI also to be noted MIA beat Buffalo)

As it stands now I think its like this:
+IND 1-13
MIN 2-12 (Ponder)
SLT 2-12 (Bradford)
JAC 3-11 (Gabbert)
TB 4-10 (Freeman)
*CLE 4-9
+WAS 5-9
+CAR 5-9 (Newton)
+MIA 5-9
BUF 5-9 (Fritzpatrick got a big deal didnt he?)
+PHI 6-8 (Vick)
+KC 6-8
*SD 6-7 (Rivers)
+SEA 7-7

The bad teams with a franchise QB lost and the ones without won.
+ = won this week
* = yet to play

aturnis
12-18-2011, 02:30 PM
What QB are we missing out on?

BigRichard
12-18-2011, 02:30 PM
I look at it more like the other games we won fucked us, not this one. This one felt too good.

Guru
12-18-2011, 02:31 PM
guys give up on the high draft pick. it was never going to happen.

Deberg_1990
12-18-2011, 02:31 PM
If the Chiefs truly want a 1st round QB, they can trade up anytime......they obviously havent wanted one for nearly 30 years.

Chiefspants
12-18-2011, 02:32 PM
Well, it may completely blow our shot at netting Mcdaniels as well, so...

rockymtnchief
12-18-2011, 02:33 PM
Yup, but I've never been on the "lose for draft position" side of this argument.

:clap: Same here.

Slainte
12-18-2011, 02:35 PM
If we're truly interested in drafting a high-quality QB, we'll move up and trade picks for him.

If not, we probably weren't going to anyway...

Basileus777
12-18-2011, 02:35 PM
We finish the season against Oakland and Denver, two more winnable games. I'm not angry because I figured we'd end up winning enough to take us out of QB drafting range anyway.

Rausch
12-18-2011, 02:35 PM
If we're truly interested in drafting a high-quality QB, we'll move up and trade picks for him.

If not, we probably weren't going to anyway...

This...

Deberg_1990
12-18-2011, 02:36 PM
Oh, and the best QB in the NFL currently was drafted by the Packers who went 10-6 during the 2004 season.

chasedude
12-18-2011, 02:36 PM
The "Suck for Luck" losing viral spirit has sure mutated itself into something monstrous around here. I for one am quarantining myself from this crap in hopes it doesn't spread further.

Daru
12-18-2011, 02:37 PM
Yep.

Welcome to mediocrity.

That mediocrity just defeated Super Bowl Champs

Bwana
12-18-2011, 02:37 PM
I'll take the win.

Rausch
12-18-2011, 02:39 PM
That mediocrity just defeated Super Bowl Champs

And made them look very pedestrian on offense for 60 minutes.

aturnis
12-18-2011, 02:40 PM
What QB are we missing out on?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Discuss Thrower
12-18-2011, 02:42 PM
RENT-A-CENTER

Kyle DeLexus
12-18-2011, 02:43 PM
If we're truly interested in drafting a high-quality QB, we'll move up and trade picks for him.

If not, we probably weren't going to anyway...

This. It'll be an interesting offseason to say the least.

htismaqe
12-18-2011, 02:44 PM
1) We were out of the Luck/RG3/Barkley running already.
2) Even if we were in the running, we likely wouldn't have drafted them.
3) I want no part of Landry Jones

Most importantly

4) We finally have DEFINITIVE proof that Cassel, more than any other single person - even Haley - was the problem with this team.

Slainte
12-18-2011, 02:48 PM
1)
Most importantly

4) We finally have DEFINITIVE proof that Cassel, more than any other single person - even Haley - was the problem with this team.

Es verdad.

Noss
12-18-2011, 02:48 PM
What made you think the Chiefs would draft a QB that would make a difference if they lost.

SNR
12-18-2011, 02:50 PM
This was a legitimate win with a legitimate QB. If this was done with Palko/Haley, I would overwhelmingly say no.

Now, though? Not so sure. I'm conflicted.

tredadda
12-18-2011, 02:50 PM
This was the one game this year that I am not too upset with a win. Sure it hurt our draft stock, but we beat the Packers and ended their unbeaten streak and the defense was unbelieveable. We are going to have to trade up for our QB, so we will see how serious Pioli is about getting one and not relying on Orton for the long term.

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 02:51 PM
This was a legitimate win with a legitimate QB. If this was done with Palko/Haley, I would overwhelmingly say no.

Now, though? Not so sure. I'm conflicted.

I don't think Orton is legit.

He's average and won't hurt the Chiefs unlike Cassel.

tecumseh
12-18-2011, 02:52 PM
Always want the Chiefs to play to win. Let the Crennel/Orton era begin.

Straight, No Chaser
12-18-2011, 02:52 PM
Looks like Romeo and Orton are the future.

Mix in a QB battle with Cassel for number #1 too.

SNR
12-18-2011, 02:53 PM
I don't think Orton is legit.

He's average and won't hurt the Chiefs unlike Cassel.He's a legitimate starting QB. Not a top-tier guy. Far from it. But he's legitimate. It's been so long since we've had that kind of QB around here.

Easy 6
12-18-2011, 02:54 PM
**** losing.

Straight, No Chaser
12-18-2011, 02:54 PM
This was a legitimate win with a legitimate QB. If this was done with Palko/Haley, I would overwhelmingly say no.

Now, though? Not so sure. I'm conflicted.

I doubt it. Ask Denver fan. Orton may be better at play action and throw a better ball down field than Cassel, but any Denver fan will tell you Don't get to excited about Orton. Typical - 0 for whatever in the red zone.

tredadda
12-18-2011, 02:56 PM
He's a legitimate starting QB. Not a top-tier guy. Far from it. But he's legitimate. It's been so long since we've had that kind of QB around here.

At least since Green, although I would not put him on Green's level.

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 02:56 PM
He's a legitimate starting QB. Not a top-tier guy. Far from it. But he's legitimate. It's been so long since we've had that kind of QB around here.

He'll be decent enough. He's league average. He's a good short term solution, doubt that he would be a good long term one.

Count Zarth
12-18-2011, 02:57 PM
He'll be decent enough. He's league average. He's a good short term solution, doubt that he would be a good long term one.

He's a poor man's Trent Green.

If we assemble a killer team around him we might have half a chance.

wazu
12-18-2011, 02:58 PM
Thing is, we'll probably win at least one more game anyway, so might as well finish strong and go into the offseason with no question that Orton > Cassel.

wazu
12-18-2011, 02:59 PM
By the way - if this game had been Haley winning with Palko, my answer would have been different.

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 03:00 PM
He's a poor man's Trent Green.

If we assemble a killer team around him we might have half a chance.

As well as the right system.

If McDaniels came to KC as OC, the offense could be good.

suzzer99
12-18-2011, 03:00 PM
He's a poor man's Trent Green.

If we assemble a killer team around him we might have half a chance.

Our D with Berry back, Houston and Bailey coming on, our corners and DJ beasting could be dominant next year.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2011, 03:02 PM
:facepalm:

Guys, Kyle Orton is only the answer if the question is "name a quarterback who is better than Cassel but not good enough to get this team over the top."

jd1020
12-18-2011, 03:02 PM
Makes it easier for the Chiefs to take a shot with one of the second tier QB's like Jones or Tannehill in the first.

Still wont happen, though. But, it would be less of a reach.

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 03:05 PM
:facepalm:

Guys, Kyle Orton is only the answer if the question is "name a quarterback who is better than Cassel but not good enough to get this team over the top."

There's nothing, I repeat nothing, wrong with Orton being the starter for a few seasons as another QB develops.

mylittlepony
12-18-2011, 03:05 PM
Problem is that even with a loss today we compete with CLE, MIA, WAS and possibly BUF.

Having a tougher schedule then all those teams even with a loss today we would need them to win atleast 1 more game.

MIA has @NE and NYJ left
WAS has a winnable games MIN and @PHI left
CLE has @BAL and PIT left (IF they beat ARI today)

So saying we left any chance to get a franchise QB is a bit of a stretch. At best we would be 4th team with a need at QB with IND, MIA and CLE infront of us.

DaFace
12-18-2011, 03:07 PM
There's nothing, I repeat nothing, wrong with Orton being the starter for a few seasons as another QB develops.

If you change "a few" to "one," then I agree.

O.city
12-18-2011, 03:10 PM
Makes it easier for the Chiefs to take a shot with one of the second tier QB's like Jones or Tannehill in the first.

Still wont happen, though. But, it would be less of a reach.

This.

We could go alot of ways in the first and pick up a qb in the second or grad Jones and let him sit for a year. If I knew tannehill would be around in the 2nd I wouldnt mind grabbing say Richardson or the best tackle available. Hell just take the best player available at whatever position.

The key to winning in the NFl is to continue to draft a develop. We need to keep having drafts like the last two for the next 2 or 3 years to get where our depth is solid enough.

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 03:11 PM
If you change "a few" to "one," then I agree.

1-3 seasons.

2nd season he splits time with QB in development.

3rd season, if developed QB is not ready to start, Orton starts.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2011, 03:12 PM
There's nothing, I repeat nothing, wrong with Orton being the starter for a few seasons as another QB develops.

Apparently you haven't read many of the posts on this board or this thread which seem to suggest that this team can win with Orton period.

Basileus777
12-18-2011, 03:13 PM
Problem is that even with a loss today we compete with CLE, MIA, WAS and possibly BUF.

Having a tougher schedule then all those teams even with a loss today we would need them to win atleast 1 more game.

MIA has @NE and NYJ left
WAS has a winnable games MIN and @PHI left
CLE has @BAL and PIT left (IF they beat ARI today)

So saying we left any chance to get a franchise QB is a bit of a stretch. At best we would be 4th team with a need at QB with IND, MIA and CLE infront of us.

And we play Oakland and Denver, we could definitely win another game or two making that chance even more remote.

Rams Fan
12-18-2011, 03:14 PM
Apparently you haven't read many of the posts on this board or this thread which seem to suggest that this team can win with Orton period.

I have seen a few suggest he is the long term answer.

Most are saying he is decent short term answer.

suzzer99
12-18-2011, 03:14 PM
As good as our D should be next year - with Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki and Charles - yeah, we could win with Orton. And a right tackle.

Sam Hall
12-18-2011, 03:14 PM
I think Herm Edwards was right...

Guru
12-18-2011, 03:15 PM
Orton for one or two years MAX. But if we don't draft a QB high in the draft then we are still fucked.

crispystl420
12-18-2011, 03:16 PM
All I know is that this was the least frustrating game I have watched since Trent Green was here. Even when we were winning last year Cassel was still frustrating to watch.

KCBOSS1
12-18-2011, 03:16 PM
Do you believe Pioli would actually pull the trigger on one?

That is the real question, IMO.

Yep.

Welcome to mediocrity.


Okay.... Well today, in their first game with a limited play book (because he's only been in the system 2 weeks) they beat the best team in football without Charles, Berry or Moeaki. How is that mediocrity?

O.city
12-18-2011, 03:17 PM
IMO a game like today shows just how much we need to get up in the draft and get a franchise guy. This team, when healthy, is about 3 spots away from being a legit contender.

RT,NT, QB.

I wouldn't be pissed at all if we went 2009 Jets and traded up to get say Barkley.

suzzer99
12-18-2011, 03:18 PM
All I know is that this was the least frustrating game I have watched since Trent Green was here. Even when we were winning last year Cassel was still frustrating to watch.

Totally agreed. Cassel somehow makes screen passes look like the hardest thing to execute in the world.

KCBOSS1
12-18-2011, 03:18 PM
If Orton plays out the rest of the season like he did today, he deserves the starting job hands down with no concern for "competition". I wasn't an Orton supporter but after not having a real quarterback in this offense since Trent Green, the potential of this team looks completely different with him in there. I believe a win like this could absolutely bond players with coach, with quarterback. If he continues like he did today, we should not draft a QB first round, he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder. The job should be completely his. If a highly ranked qb falls to a lower round, that's different.

suzzer99
12-18-2011, 03:20 PM
IMO a game like today shows just how much we need to get up in the draft and get a franchise guy. This team, when healthy, is about 3 spots away from being a legit contender.

RT,NT, QB.

I wouldn't be pissed at all if we went 2009 Jets and traded up to get say Barkley.

Yeah I agree. This team isn't that hurting that we need tons of draft picks. But we'll never do it. Also a stud RT would be hard to pass on in the first round.

tredadda
12-18-2011, 03:23 PM
If Orton plays out the rest of the season like he did today, he deserves the starting job hands down with no concern for "competition". I wasn't an Orton supporter but after not having a real quarterback in this offense since Trent Green, the potential of this team looks completely different with him in there. I believe a win like this could absolutely bond players with coach, with quarterback. If he continues like he did today, we should not draft a QB first round, he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder. The job should be completely his. If a highly ranked qb falls to a lower round, that's different.

Although I would take Orton over Cassel and Palko in a heartbeat, lets not forget we only scored 19 points against the worst defense in football. We had 4 FGs while having the ball in the red zone multiple times and we failed on a fourth and inches in the red zone. While Orton would outplay Cassel and Palko, he does not deserve any credit for our win. This is all on our defense. It is sad that our QB situation is so bad that some are looking to Orton as the solution on offense.

KCBOSS1
12-18-2011, 03:24 PM
Drafting a quarterback or any first rounder is a crap shoot. I'm always for the proven player. Orton has a better receiving Corp in KC than he has ever had and has thrown for a lot of yards and played well. He has performed beyond expectation everywhere he's gone with less than most quarterbacks. Denver? CHICAGO?! Add Moeaki and Charles. I've had to re-think this. The same goes for Crennel.

Frazod
12-18-2011, 03:24 PM
We weren't going to get Griffin anyway. Luck to Indy is done. And I don't ever want another fucking USC quarterback named Matt, regardless of how good he looks.

So fuck yes, knocking off the undefeated Super Bowl champions FUCKING ROCKS.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 03:25 PM
Although I would take Orton over Cassel and Palko in a heartbeat, lets not forget we only scored 19 points against the worst defense in football. We had 4 FGs while having the ball in the red zone multiple times and we failed on a fourth and inches in the red zone. While Orton would outplay Cassel and Palko, he does not deserve any credit for our win. This is all on our defense. It is sad that our QB situation is so bad that some are looking to Orton as the solution on offense.

How does a guy who continued to lead scoring drives not deserve any credit?...

Obvious stupid is obvious.

Tribal Warfare
12-18-2011, 03:26 PM
another thing to keep in mind is if the plan was truly "groom" Stanzi as the QBOTF then retaining Orton would be plausible.

KCBOSS1
12-18-2011, 03:27 PM
Although I would take Orton over Cassel and Palko in a heartbeat, lets not forget we only scored 19 points against the worst defense in football. We had 4 FGs while having the ball in the red zone multiple times and we failed on a fourth and inches in the red zone. While Orton would outplay Cassel and Palko, he does not deserve any credit for our win. This is all on our defense. It is sad that our QB situation is so bad that some are looking to Orton as the solution on offense.

Absolute BS. He moved the ball masterfully. The plays inside the 5 were called horribly. Our Defense played amazing. But apart from getting stuffed like 10 times in the RUN, we should have won that game by 20.

Frazod
12-18-2011, 03:28 PM
Although I would take Orton over Cassel and Palko in a heartbeat, lets not forget we only scored 19 points against the worst defense in football. We had 4 FGs while having the ball in the red zone multiple times and we failed on a fourth and inches in the red zone. While Orton would outplay Cassel and Palko, he does not deserve any credit for our win. This is all on our defense. It is sad that our QB situation is so bad that some are looking to Orton as the solution on offense.

It's not Orton's fault we can't pound the ball in from inside the five yard line.

And also (and I hate to keep harping on this because we won) but the obviously bent officiating resulted in at least a nine point swing. This game wasn't nearly as close as the score indicated.

tredadda
12-18-2011, 03:28 PM
Drafting a quarterback or any first rounder is a crap shoot. I'm always for the proven player. Orton has a better receiving Corp in KC than he has ever had and has thrown for a lot of yards and played well. He has performed beyond expectation everywhere he's gone with less than most quarterbacks. Denver? CHICAGO?! Add Moeaki and Charles. I've had to re-think this. The same goes for Crennel.

Chicago preferred Cutler over Orton and Denver preferred Tebow over Orton. Orton is far from being a long term answer at QB. He is not as bad as who we have on our roster, but he is by no means great either. He is proven, but to a point. I would rather roll the dice on an unknown QB then stick with an ok QB on team #3.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 03:29 PM
It's not Orton's fault we can't pound the ball in from inside the five yard line.

And also (and I hate to keep harping on this because we won) but the obviously bent officiating resulted in at least a nine point swing. This game wasn't nearly as close as the score indicated.

We did get away with a fumble out of the endzone, though.

Frazod
12-18-2011, 03:30 PM
We did get away with a fumble out of the endzone, though.

Because they missed it - not because they ignored it.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 03:31 PM
Because they missed it - not because they ignored it.

Its all points to bad officiating.

Hali "sells" the constant screaming of holding because he always flails his arm around. We don't have the same officiating crew every week. It's consistently not called holding.

Frazod
12-18-2011, 03:32 PM
Its all points to bad officiating.

Bad officiating is one thing. Bought officiating is another thing entirely.

threebag02
12-18-2011, 03:33 PM
Yep.

Welcome to mediocrity.

I am good with it mediocrity walked away in the win column today.

With Orton QB isn't our weakness. Maybe QB depth but now we could fill more holes. It's a good thing.

tredadda
12-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Absolute BS. He moved the ball masterfully. The plays inside the 5 were called horribly. Our Defense played amazing. But apart from getting stuffed like 10 times in the RUN, we should have won that game by 20.

He moved the ball masterfully up and down the field, but when it came to punching it in the end zone, we did it only once. GB plays a bend but don't break defense. They allow teams to move the ball up and down the field, but shut them down in the red zone. They did that to us today. This win was on the defense without question.

Guru
12-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Its all points to bad officiating.

Hali "sells" the constant screaming of holding because he always flails his arm around. We don't have the same officiating crew every week. It's consistently not called holding.

I just don't get how you can choke Hali from behind and NEVER fucking get called.

KCBOSS1
12-18-2011, 03:35 PM
Chicago preferred Cutler over Orton and Denver preferred Tebow over Orton. Orton is far from being a long term answer at QB. He is not as bad as who we have on our roster, but he is by no means great either. He is proven, but to a point. I would rather roll the dice on an unknown QB then stick with an ok QB on team #3.

I'm sorry dude, but this guy has had 3 kinds of hell raining down on him since Tebow got into Denver with all of then Donkey fans wanting rid of him and he just just took a huge stride today in winning over chiefs fans, me included.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 03:35 PM
He moved the ball masterfully up and down the field, but when it came to punching it in the end zone, we did it only once. GB plays a bend but don't break defense. They allow teams to move the ball up and down the field, but shut them down in the red zone. They did that to us today. This win was on the defense without question.

The Chiefs shut themselves out with dropped TD passes and penalties.

NJChiefsFan
12-18-2011, 03:35 PM
Drafting a quarterback or any first rounder is a crap shoot. I'm always for the proven player. Orton has a better receiving Corp in KC than he has ever had and has thrown for a lot of yards and played well. He has performed beyond expectation everywhere he's gone with less than most quarterbacks. Denver? CHICAGO?! Add Moeaki and Charles. I've had to re-think this. The same goes for Crennel.

Proven player? Have you watched Orton? He has as many terrible games as he does great. He is much better than Cassel, but why is that what we compare QBs to?

Everybody is willing to give up time seeing how average QBs do but aren't willing to give up time seeing what a young QB can do. You need a QB that can win you 3 or 4 games in a row to win a SB.

Saying we shouldn't draft a QB because of one game is way too much of an overeaction. Especially if you have ever watched Orton play before.

scho63
12-18-2011, 03:36 PM
I just don't get how you can choke Hali from behind and NEVER ****ing get called.

I don't think GB got one holding call today-that's pretty hard to do

KCBOSS1
12-18-2011, 03:37 PM
He moved the ball masterfully up and down the field, but when it came to punching it in the end zone, we did it only once. GB plays a bend but don't break defense. They allow teams to move the ball up and down the field, but shut them down in the red zone. They did that to us today. This win was on the defense without question.

Well with the last two quarterbacks we've had the defense doesn't win today. So credit to Orton for letting our defense win today.

Buckweath
12-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Proven player? Have you watched Orton? He has as many terrible games as he does great. He is much better than Cassel, but why is that what we compare QBs to?

Everybody is willing to give up time seeing how average QBs do but aren't willing to give up time seeing what a young QB can do. You need a QB that can win you 3 or 4 games in a row to win a SB.

Saying we shouldn't draft a QB because of one game is way too much of an overeaction. Especially if you have ever watched Orton play before.

Orton today played average just as he has played his whole career.

He played exactly like I expected him to play, nothing better. But for some reason, some Chiefs fans thought he would play as shitty as Cassel has played for us this year.

If this team doesn't draft a top QB prospect this year, there will be many more years of mediocrity, mark my words.

Orton is far far from the QB who can lead this franchise to a Superbowl.

NJChiefsFan
12-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Well with the last two quarterbacks we've had the defense doesn't win today. So credit to Orton for letting our defense win today.

Thats competely fair. BUT if we are trying to win a SB, we need to STOP comparing our next QB to Cassel and Palko. That is a good way to get a slight upgrade and nothing more.

Buckweath
12-18-2011, 03:42 PM
LOL at Chiefs fans saying Orton moved the ball masterfully today. You know this franchise has had absolutely terrible QB play lately when you hear that.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 03:42 PM
LOL at Chiefs fans saying Orton moved the ball masterfully today. You know this franchise has had absolutely terrible QB play lately when you hear that.

Did you watch the game?

prhom
12-18-2011, 03:43 PM
1) We were out of the Luck/RG3/Barkley running already.
2) Even if we were in the running, we likely wouldn't have drafted them.
3) I want no part of Landry Jones

Most importantly

4) We finally have DEFINITIVE proof that Cassel, more than any other single person - even Haley - was the problem with this team.

I really think people are underestimating how important #4 is. As long as Cassel is on this team we HAVE to make sure we have someone make him look like a fool. Orton just did that today. Once Cassel is gone we can worry about the next QB, but until then we can't be sure that we're in the clear.

Basileus777
12-18-2011, 03:45 PM
It was one game against a bad defense, let's not go overboard with the Orton hype.

NJChiefsFan
12-18-2011, 03:46 PM
I really think people are underestimating how important #4 is. As long as Cassel is on this team we HAVE to make sure we have someone make him look like a fool. Orton just did that today. Once Cassel is gone we can worry about the next QB, but until then we can't be sure that we're in the clear.

Thats true but their are still idiots on this board and others that think it was all on Haley, and thats what Pioli wants.

mcan
12-18-2011, 03:47 PM
I will never ever ever root for my team to lose or be glad my team lost. Ever again. If I were a Colts fan right now, I'd be elated to have a win. Champagne and toasts. Speaking of. I think I wanna go out and celebrate my Chiefs looking like a professional football team for the first time in... Shit, it's been a long time.

Buckweath
12-18-2011, 03:47 PM
Did you watch the game?

Of course I watched the game and Orton had a good game. But anyone who thinks Orton is our Qb of the future or can lead us towards our goal of winning the Superbowl is retarded as far as I'm concerned.

Guru
12-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Of course I watched the game and Orton had a good game. But anyone who thinks Orton is our Qb of the future or can lead us towards our goal of winning the Superbowl is retarded as far as I'm concerned.

only a few think that,. IF we draft a QB he will be a good stopgap. Nothing more.

Buckweath
12-18-2011, 04:02 PM
only a few think that,. IF we draft a QB he will be a good stopgap. Nothing more.

Thank you. Trade up and draft Barkley or Griffin. Have Orton as a stopgap and I'll be the happiest Chiefs fan ever.

SuperChief
12-18-2011, 04:05 PM
Yep.

Welcome to mediocrity.

Just shut the fuck up already. It's simple: make cool GIFs, and don't talk.

Frosty
12-18-2011, 04:28 PM
4) We finally have DEFINITIVE proof that Cassel, more than any other single person - even Haley - was the problem with this team.

htismaqe hits it out of the park and wins the thread.

The other thing that made this win worth it is those dickweeds on the TeSPN pregame show chortling while making the Packers-Chiefs game picks. Tom Jackson: "No way Green Bay loses this".

Dave Lane
12-18-2011, 04:36 PM
I will root for a win every single week. If you root for a loss for draft position, you are worthless as a fan and should promptly leave. Preferably to a location that is on fire.

Awesome plan. Carl thanks you for your support and needs advise on how to implement said allegiance in Miami.

Guru
12-18-2011, 04:39 PM
htismaqe hits it out of the park and wins the thread.

The other thing that made this win worth it is those dickweeds on the TeSPN pregame show chortling while making the Packers-Chiefs game picks. Tom Jackson: "No way Green Bay loses this".

LMAO and of course the talk tonight will be about how the Packers lost the game rather than how the Chiefs won it.

crossbow
12-18-2011, 06:52 PM
htismaqe hits it out of the park and wins the thread.

The other thing that made this win worth it is those dickweeds on the TeSPN pregame show chortling while making the Packers-Chiefs game picks. Tom Jackson: "No way Green Bay loses this".

Yup and from Fox Sports News:

"Rodgers was harassed by the Chiefs' weak pass rush, and Green Bay wound up making five first downs."

I guess Hali is a bum.

chiefzilla1501
12-18-2011, 06:54 PM
As I said before when I was defending the decision to start Orton.

This win loses us the chance to draft a high round QB. But it does enormous things for us in terms of sealing up Bowe and Carr, getting top-shelf Head coaches and coordinators, getting top-shelf free agents who want to play for a contender, and selling season tickets (which will make it more likely that we spend money on players).

prhom
12-18-2011, 07:26 PM
Well with the last two quarterbacks we've had the defense doesn't win today. So credit to Orton for letting our defense win today.

Yep, he helped by dominating time of possession and not creating turnovers. Good game by Orton. If we got down by three TDs he probably wouldn't have played as well, but we kept it close and came out on top by playing a complete game.

WV
12-18-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm happy they won and never root for a loss.....but I wouldn't have been sad to lose out either.

Bitter Sweet victory.

ChiefsCountry
12-18-2011, 10:57 PM
We are still at #10 in the draft order right now. Still in the hunt for a QB.

corn fed chief
12-18-2011, 11:00 PM
The worst part is that Mercury Morris and the rest of the '72 Dolphins will remain ''relevant'' for another year. I would've taken a loss just to keep GB on track to shut them up.

jd1020
12-18-2011, 11:02 PM
The worst part is that Mercury Morris and the rest of the '72 Dolphins will remain ''relevant'' for another year. I would've taken a loss just to keep GB on track to shut them up.

GB would have had to win it all to shut them up.

I think we proved today that their defense is suspect and its going to be harder for them to repeat than people want to believe.

corn fed chief
12-18-2011, 11:15 PM
GB would have had to win it all to shut them up.

I think we proved today that their defense is suspect and its going to be harder for them to repeat than people want to believe.


Yeah, I was just saying that the Pack would've still been in the running to shut them up. And I agree about the D being suspect but I think this loss will open their eyes and I still have my money on them to win it all. Although.... NO is looking really tough lately.

saphojunkie
12-18-2011, 11:50 PM
I am good with it mediocrity walked away in the win column today.

With Orton QB isn't our weakness. Maybe QB depth but now we could fill more holes. It's a good thing.

That's the thing - Matt Cassel is a weakness on the team. I want a team where QB is our strength, but I certainly will not suffer a team where it is a detriment.

Hey, quick question - how many sacks did Kyle Orton take today? How many do you think Ol' Matt "1,000 year delivery" Cassel would have taken scanning the field?

jd1020
12-18-2011, 11:51 PM
Hey, quick question - how many sacks did Kyle Orton take today? How many do you think Ol' Matt "1,000 year delivery" Cassel would have taken scanning the field?

None. Cassel doesn't scan the field.

Fruit Ninja
12-18-2011, 11:58 PM
If the Chiefs are serious about drafting a qb, they will make it happen. If they arent, then they wont.

This doesnt cost us, the players have to go out there n do their damned jobs, they did it.

Fruit Ninja
12-18-2011, 11:59 PM
That's the thing - Matt Cassel is a weakness on the team. I want a team where QB is our strength, but I certainly will not suffer a team where it is a detriment.

Hey, quick question - how many sacks did Kyle Orton take today? How many do you think Ol' Matt "1,000 year delivery" Cassel would have taken scanning the field?

Kyle Orton's play fake ability is amazing. The Packers Defense was totally off balance most of that game. Something us Chiefs fans havent seen for years.

ChiefsCountry
12-19-2011, 12:07 AM
Or we can hope that Redskins, Browns, and Dolphins - two of the three want to sign Matt Flynn or trade for Peyton Manning. That would be nice.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 01:02 AM
big picture it would of probably been better for the Team to lose out.


but Hey ... we won!! PBJ

and got to knock off the champion and undefeated Packers, so i'm not gonna complain.

besides the Bears win pretty much already screwed up the high draft pick.

griZZly64
12-19-2011, 01:10 AM
Like I always say. Play your games and when the season is over you will receive the pick you deserve. Obviously we do not deserve a Top 5 pick. Which is music to my ears. That would mean we have more holes than we previously thought.

KCChiefsFan88
12-19-2011, 01:13 AM
Looks like Romeo and Orton are the future.

Welcome to 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 seasons.

A franchise QB like RGIII or Barkley makes the Chiefs potentially great in the future.

splatbass
12-19-2011, 01:19 AM
Welcome to 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 seasons.



We already have the talent on this team to do better than that. We just need them healthy, with good coaching. Hell, we could go 8-8 THIS YEAR.

Stick your "mediocrity" bullshit up your ass.

jspchief
12-19-2011, 01:29 AM
This seems like a win that could play large in the psyche of the players. It's what we all thought the team was capable of, but had never surfaced against a quality opponent. That's some quality affirmation.

Is that more valuable than draft position that may have cost us a QB? Time will tell. But as a fan, I'm glad we won. And we have a lot of guys that play their ass off week in and week out who deserve that kind of win.

splatbass
12-19-2011, 01:37 AM
This seems like a win that could play large in the psyche of the players. It's what we all thought the team was capable of, but had never surfaced against a quality opponent. That's some quality affirmation.

Is that more valuable than draft position that may have cost us a QB? Time will tell. But as a fan, I'm glad we won. And we have a lot of guys that play their ass off week in and week out who deserve that kind of win.

I think we are in the same draft position we were before the game. I don't think there has ever been a chance we could pick up one of the top QBs without trading up or getting lucky that one dropped farther than expected (which has happened before). Who was the QB that was expected to go top 5, and he dropped way farther than expected so they moved him to a back room where the ESPN cameras couldn't see him?

The bottom though is that if Pioli wants a QB in the first round he will get one, if he doesn't he won't. It doesn't matter one iota what draft position we are in - or what CP posters think. Might as well just sit back and wait, not much else to do. I'm certainly not going to get worked up over something I have no control over.

Slainte
12-19-2011, 01:45 AM
Cassel doesn't scan the field.

Yes he does. He just doesn't comprehend what he sees.

johnny961
12-19-2011, 02:12 AM
I can see us drafting a QB again this year...just not one of the highly rated QB's that will go early in the 1st round like everybody wants. Unless somebody drops badly on draft day kinda like Rodgers did. It would be nice to see us draft a QB that actually developed into something other than a career backup at best some day.

King_Chief_Fan
12-19-2011, 06:37 AM
I think we are in the same draft position we were before the game. I don't think there has ever been a chance we could pick up one of the top QBs without trading up or getting lucky that one dropped farther than expected (which has happened before). Who was the QB that was expected to go top 5, and he dropped way farther than expected so they moved him to a back room where the ESPN cameras couldn't see him?

The bottom though is that if Pioli wants a QB in the first round he will get one, if he doesn't he won't. It doesn't matter one iota what draft position we are in - or what CP posters think. Might as well just sit back and wait, not much else to do. I'm certainly not going to get worked up over something I have no control over.

this.....end of thread.......I hope the losers who would rather lose comprehend your point

the Talking Can
12-19-2011, 06:57 AM
this win means absolutely nothing for next year...


other than Orton will now be the next worthless QB we waste years on while fans pretend he's 'good enough'....

it is mind blowing to watch people convince themselves - in less than 24 hours - that we're good rolling with Orton after 30 years of Ortons...

If this team doesn't draft a 1st round QB this year, then next year is already pointless...and every year after until we do


Kyle Orton...KC's Franchise QB....jesus fuck

Deberg_1990
12-19-2011, 06:58 AM
Here we go again.........


The Chiefs can draft a top QB anytime they want no matter their draft position. They just choose not to. They are free to trade up anytime........they just have to be willing to give up something in the short term.

They havent been willing to do this for nearly 30 years.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 07:01 AM
If this team doesn't draft a 1st round QB this year, then next year is already pointless...and every year after until we do


Kyle Orton...KC's Franchise QB....jesus ****



as long as Pioli's here i dont see a high draft pick being spent on a QB.

the Talking Can
12-19-2011, 07:03 AM
Here we go again.........


The Chiefs can draft a top QB anytime they want no matter their draft position. They just choose not to. They are free to trade up anytime........they just have to be willing to give up something in the short term.

They havent been willing to do this for nearly 30 years.

actually, they're not 'free to trade up' anytime...it takes a partner

the lower you are, the more likely it is that the guy you want is either gone or being targeted by other teams who may have better assets (higher picks)...

if you're high enough, you don't have to compete with anyone else...saying it doesn't matter is flat out ridiculous

the Talking Can
12-19-2011, 07:04 AM
as long as Pioli's here i dont see a high draft pick being spent on a QB.

of course not, this franchise has never been serious about winning

Chiefnj2
12-19-2011, 07:16 AM
I want the Chiefs to win the West, host the Ravens again at Arrowhead and beat them with a different QB.

Deberg_1990
12-19-2011, 07:18 AM
of course not, this franchise has never been serious about winning

Thats basically what i was trying to say above. The Chiefs have had their oppurtunities to select a 1st round QB or to trade up and get one...they just chose not to.

Reerun_KC
12-19-2011, 07:25 AM
It was cool to win, but very devastating to the future of this franchise...

It put alot of False hope in Orton and Crennel....

the Talking Can
12-19-2011, 07:26 AM
Thats basically what i was trying to say above. The Chiefs have had their oppurtunities to select a 1st round QB or to trade up and get one...they just chose not to.

i agree

suds79
12-19-2011, 07:29 AM
I'm torn. It was nice to see them win. I like Roemo. I like Orton a lot more then Cassel but...

I realize it's more of the same thing that hasn't worked for this franchise.

I'm in the RG3 camp but after his latest performances, us winning here & there, what'll happen after the combine, I think we might be well out of his reach. I could see him being the 2nd QB taken.

Some of the other QBs would be nice but they just don't excite me.

So if they really want RG3, it's the same situation I've felt regardless of the win yesterday. They'll have to trade up to get him if they want him.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 07:44 AM
It was cool to win, but very devastating to the future of this franchise...

It put alot of False hope in Orton and Crennel....

yeah the Chiefs wasted three years of false hope on Haley and Cassel.

maybe if the next three weeks will show Pioli the way.

i liked what i saw from the team yesterday. (except redzone offense)

Frosty
12-19-2011, 07:50 AM
i liked what i saw from the team yesterday. (except redzone offense)

I think the offense will get better as Orton gets the timing down with the wideouts. He hasn't had a lot of practice time. You could tell the timing was off on some of the routes.

I don't want the Chiefs to go forward with Orton as the QBotF but I hope the difference is glaring enough that it shows Pioli (or better yet, Clark) that Cassel is most definitely not the answer.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 07:51 AM
I think the offense will get better as Orton gets the timing down with the wideouts. He hasn't had a lot of practice time. You could tell the timing was off on some of the routes.

I don't want the Chiefs to go forward with Orton as the QBotF but I hope the difference is glaring enough that it shows Pioli (or better yet, Clark) that Cassel is most definitely not the answer.

Yep i agree.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 08:27 AM
I want the Chiefs to win the West, host the Ravens again at Arrowhead and beat them with a different QB.

Wouldn't that be something?

ct
12-19-2011, 09:03 AM
If it prevents McDumbass from consideration as next HC, absolutely!!

Pestilence
12-19-2011, 09:08 AM
If it prevents McDumbass from consideration as next HC, absolutely!!

Ummm.....who do you think Orton had his best years with?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-19-2011, 09:15 AM
this win means absolutely nothing for next year...


other than Orton will now be the next worthless QB we waste years on while fans pretend he's 'good enough'....

it is mind blowing to watch people convince themselves - in less than 24 hours - that we're good rolling with Orton after 30 years of Ortons...

If this team doesn't draft a 1st round QB this year, then next year is already pointless...and every year after until we do


Kyle Orton...KC's Franchise QB....jesus fuck

Post of the season.

Old Dog
12-19-2011, 10:34 AM
I have no real issues hoping for a loss when I'm sitting in front of the big screen at home, but when I've driven 2 1/2 hours to get to Arrowhead at 7am so I can get my tailgating spot I just can't bring myself to cheer for them to lose.
While I don't believe that the win yesterday is going to bring anything good in the future, I was quite happy to see it play out the way it did and do the chant exiting the stadium while 30,000 cheeseheads looked like their world had just ended.
If it was a multiple choice poll, I would have to vote for both.

DRU
12-19-2011, 12:12 PM
It is mind blowing to watch people convince themselves - in less than 24 hours - that we're good rolling with Orton after 30 years of Ortons...

Slightly off-topic, but when people say this sort of thing it bothers me (as much as a comment on an internet board can bother me, which isn't much.)

If not for a guy named Peyton Manning, Trent Green would have been the top QB in the NFL during his time with us.

He also went toe to toe with Manning in 2003, answering all of their TD's in a playoff game, and would have won that game (and a great chance at the Super Bowl that year) except that Priest Holmes fumbled and gave them an extra possession in a game where nobody punted (which nobody ever wants to talk about because we all love Priest so much). Both defenses sucked in that game.

We also had Joe Montana and he took us to an AFC Championship game. Is he just another "Orton"?

Now, you can say, well, we didn't draft them. That's a different argument all together, though. To call them "Orton's" when you're trying to say Orton isn't good enough is a slap in the face to those QB's, who played damn well for us.

Now, if you want to talk about the fact that those are the only 2 QB's I can mention in my entire 30 year life of being a Chiefs fan, then we'll probably agree.