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Tribal Warfare
12-19-2011, 12:16 AM
Orton impresses as Chiefs contemplate future at QB (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/18/3327658/orton-impresses-as-chiefs-contemplate.html)
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

When these weeks are finished, the games all done, the Chiefs will have decisions to make. They brought that on last week, when coach Todd Haley was fired.

One of the organization’s decisions became simpler Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, when interim coach Romeo Crennel led the Chiefs to a 19-14 win against the previously unbeaten Green Bay Packers. If this is the effect the 64-year-old Crennel will have on the Chiefs, ending a week of turmoil with a bit of hope, why would the Chiefs bother looking beyond him?

No, the more complicated decision centers on the Chiefs’ plans at quarterback. If the victory simplified the coach question, Kyle Orton’s performance Sunday most assuredly complicated the matter of what the Chiefs should do at their most important position.

“That’s about as much fun as I’ve had on a football field,” Orton said afterward.

Winning is fun, especially when it interrupts a potentially historic run toward perfection. But in this case, it’s not that simple. Now what should the Chiefs do? Bring back Orton, who will be a free agent after this season? Pay Matt Cassel another chunk of a $63 million contract for a fourth season with the Chiefs? Or maybe draft or sign a newcomer, looking toward the future instead of the present?

This is a tough one. But Crennel said Sunday afternoon that there’s a way the quarterback matter could be resolved quickly, too.

“If we win these next two games with him, and he continues to play the way he did today, then you might have to say that,” Crennel said, answering a question about whether Orton should be the Chiefs’ leading man beyond 2011. “That’s what happens in football: You see what kind of production a player has, and then you make a determination of whether you think that production will continue and if you want that type of player on your team.

“If he continues to do what he did today, I would say yes.”

Somehow, Orton outdueled Aaron Rodgers, perhaps the league’s best passer, completing 23 of 31 passes for 299 yards. He managed the offense, communicated with his teammates and eliminated the confusion and doubt that existed the last four games, when Tyler Palko started for the Chiefs.

“Nothing against (Palko) or (Cassel), man, just — Kyle is a new beast out there with us,” fullback Le’Ron McClain said. “He ran the whole game on the sideline, coming to us on certain plays, telling us in the huddle — boom, boom, ‘Just get open for me right here.’ ”

That kind of calm confidence was lacking this season for the Chiefs. It helped, Orton said, when earlier in the week Crennel told reporters that Palko would be benched; if Orton’s injured finger was healed, he would start.

That allowed Orton’s teammates to focus on their new quarterback, learning his voice, cadence and mannerisms. Familiarity and comfort are important things for an NFL team, and Orton’s teammates showed both in Sunday’s victory.

“That’s the tough thing coming into a team late in the season: You haven’t had training camp, you haven’t had all those grueling practices to get to know the guys,” Orton said. “They haven’t had those practices to get to know me, as well. It was a crash course on the field.”

Cassel is a fierce competitor and an admirable leader, but his ability has been questioned throughout his three seasons in Kansas City. A broken right hand landed Cassel on injured reserve last month, again fanning questions of his shortcomings and how the Chiefs should move past him, sooner rather than later. A draft pick or free agent would have to learn the offense and, at least in the case of a rookie, probably be brought along slowly. It wouldn’t help matters that Sunday’s victory again pushed the Chiefs down in the draft order, hurting their chances of selecting a sure-thing passer.

So there Orton was Sunday, wearing a yellow sweater and dark jacket, his hair in his face and a smile coming through. Asked about free-agency and his future, Orton said the only thing he was concerned about was Saturday’s home game against Oakland.

He had already made his point earlier in the day.

“This first week and he does that?” wide receiver Steve Breaston said. “That’s impressive.”

Orton’s performance Sunday was encouraging, remarkable and hopeful. But it didn’t simplify anything. For now, the Chiefs will gladly take on a little more confusion — if it leads to results like this.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:18 AM
Crennel telling it like it is. Refreshing.

Bambi
12-19-2011, 12:20 AM
“Nothing against (Palko) or (Cassel), man, just — Kyle is a new beast out there with us,” fullback Le’Ron McClain said. “He ran the whole game on the sideline, coming to us on certain plays, telling us in the huddle — boom, boom, ‘Just get open for me right here.’ ”

This is what Cassell never had. Well....that and ability to quarterback

Count Alex's Losses
12-19-2011, 12:22 AM
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BigChiefFan
12-19-2011, 12:24 AM
...and so it begins, another year, another band-aid at QB.

Bambi
12-19-2011, 12:26 AM
...and so it begins, another year, another band-aid at QB.

It's the Chiefs way. Always has been, always will be.

This franchise will never seriously draft a QB. Never.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:30 AM
It's the Chiefs way. Always has been, always will be.

This franchise will never seriously draft a QB. Never.

I like how everyone thinks that because of Orton the Chiefs wont draft a QB.

No matter which way the Chiefs go in the Cassel/Orton scenario, they will draft a QB. Whether or not it's going to be the same Pioli type pick in the late rounds is yet to be seen.

1) Cassel stays. Palko shown the door. Orton leaves in FA and the Chiefs pick up a comp pick. Chiefs draft a QB to fill the voided QB position.

2) Cassel's traded/cut. Palko shown the door. Orton signs. Chiefs draft a QB to fill the voided QB position.

TEX
12-19-2011, 12:32 AM
It's the Chiefs way. Always has been, always will be.

This franchise will never seriously draft a QB. Never.

Who cares if the QB can play and Ortan can. What if he's as productive as Gannon?

WhiteWhale
12-19-2011, 12:34 AM
I like how everyone thinks that because of Orton the Chiefs wont draft a QB.

No matter which way the Chiefs go in the Cassel/Orton scenario, they will draft a QB. Whether or not it's going to be the same Pioli type pick in the late rounds is yet to be seen.

1) Cassel stays. Palko shown the door. Orton leaves in FA and the Chiefs pick up a comp pick. Chiefs draft a QB to fill the voided QB position.

2) Cassel's traded/cut. Palko shown the door. Orton signs. Chiefs draft a QB to fill the voided QB position.

I was convinced KC wasn't/will not be drafting a QB anyway. Unfortunately. :(

At least Orton is better than Cassel.

cdcox
12-19-2011, 12:42 AM
To me, the coaching decision is more complicated than the QB question (at least the Orton vs. Cassel part).

Crennel's health is a legitimate concern. Will he hold up to the additional stress and demands of being head coach? How many years can he go? What is the succession plan if you go that direction?

You can't come up with a single reason that Cassel should be selected over Orton, unless Orton flat out won't sign a new contract. In either case, the Chiefs need to draft a QB early, but they probably won't.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:45 AM
I was convinced KC wasn't/will not be drafting a QB anyway. Unfortunately. :(

At least Orton is better than Cassel.

I can't see them not drafting a QB. I don't think it makes any sense to sign an older veteran QB if you are going to stick with either Orton or Cassel. Looking at FA QB's you've got...

Matt Flynn
Chad Henne
Vince Young
Kevin O'Connell - Pioli did draft him

Fruit Ninja
12-19-2011, 12:47 AM
I have no problem if Orton starts another year here, but We do need to draft a qb of the future.

Problem is we wont ever do that. Who knows whats going to happen. They still have to resign Kyle anyways, im sure other teams will be interested.

Count Alex's Losses
12-19-2011, 12:48 AM
To me, the coaching decision is more complicated than the QB question (at least the Orton vs. Cassel part).

Crennel's health is a legitimate concern. Will he hold up to the additional stress and demands of being head coach? How many years can he go? What is the succession plan if you go that direction?

More importantly:

Has an interim head coach promoted to head coach ever won a Super Bowl?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one.

WhiteWhale
12-19-2011, 12:48 AM
I can't see them not drafting a QB. I don't think it makes any sense to sign an older veteran QB if you are going to stick with either Orton or Cassel. Looking at FA QB's you've got...

Matt Flynn
Chad Henne
Vince Young
Kevin O'Connell - Pioli did draft him

I'm not, you know, disagreeing with you.

It's just that I can already hear the "We feel we have 2 solid guys. We're think we're deep at the quarterback position"

I try to avoid getting my hopes up.

KCtotheSB
12-19-2011, 12:48 AM
It's the Chiefs way. Always has been, always will be.

This franchise will never seriously draft a QB. Never.

The Chiefs draft quarterbacks.......they just don't draft them very high.

WhiteWhale
12-19-2011, 12:50 AM
The Chiefs draft quarterbacks.......they just don't draft them very high.

Either that or they're high when they draft them.

One or the other.

spanky 52
12-19-2011, 06:15 AM
To me, the coaching decision is more complicated than the QB question (at least the Orton vs. Cassel part).

Crennel's health is a legitimate concern. Will he hold up to the additional stress and demands of being head coach? How many years can he go? What is the succession plan if you go that direction?

You can't come up with a single reason that Cassel should be selected over Orton, unless Orton flat out won't sign a new contract. In either case, the Chiefs need to draft a QB early, but they probably won't.

These are the most important issues with the Chief's going into the off season. I hope Orton continues to play well the last two games, we resign him and we draft a QB in the draft. Just don't think it'll be in the first three rounds.

Royal Fanatic
12-19-2011, 06:22 AM
More importantly:

Has an interim head coach promoted to head coach ever won a Super Bowl?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one.

We get it. You don't want Crennel.

Chocolate Hog
12-19-2011, 06:26 AM
More importantly:

Has an interim head coach promoted to head coach ever won a Super Bowl?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one.

This is double speak on your part as you've been begging for the Chiefs to get Fisher.

Fritz88
12-19-2011, 06:30 AM
To me, the coaching decision is more complicated than the QB question (at least the Orton vs. Cassel part).

Crennel's health is a legitimate concern. Will he hold up to the additional stress and demands of being head coach? How many years can he go? What is the succession plan if you go that direction?

You can't come up with a single reason that Cassel should be selected over Orton, unless Orton flat out won't sign a new contract. In either case, the Chiefs need to draft a QB early, but they probably won't.

If Muir is still coaching at this age, then so can Romeo.

QB issue is a legitimate concern.
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-King-
12-19-2011, 06:31 AM
More importantly:

Has an interim head coach promoted to head coach ever won a Super Bowl?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one.
How is that more important? It's circumstantial at best.
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Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 06:40 AM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but Orton completed at least one pass to ten different guys. That's spreading it around.

Tribal Warfare
12-19-2011, 06:46 AM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but Orton completed at least one pass to ten different guys. That's spreading it around.

Another reason winning out could be a good thing as it would be a step closer in getting Cassel cut. I know everyone says it will fuck us out of getting a top tier QB in this draft, but I can't emphasize more the actual value of this in the decision making to move forward at the QB position in general. Also if Clark wants a first round QB then he'll get one.

InChiefsHell
12-19-2011, 06:48 AM
If only Kyle could score in the red zone. This was a constant knock on him with the Donks. Move up and down the field between the 20's and then kick a field goal. We were in striking distance many times. Maybe it's play calling, but this game was not nearly as close as the score.

Gotta score TD's dammit. I know he's new and all. I hope they get that ironed out, cuz I have a feeling we'll be keeping Kyle around. Maybe we can trade Cassel and sign a rookie, so we'd have Orton, Stanzi and rookie, and let Stanzi and Rookie fight it out for QBOTF.

ReynardMuldrake
12-19-2011, 06:55 AM
If only Kyle could score in the red zone. This was a constant knock on him with the Donks. Move up and down the field between the 20's and then kick a field goal. We were in striking distance many times. Maybe it's play calling, but this game was not nearly as close as the score.

Gotta score TD's dammit. I know he's new and all. I hope they get that ironed out, cuz I have a feeling we'll be keeping Kyle around. Maybe we can trade Cassel and sign a rookie, so we'd have Orton, Stanzi and rookie, and let Stanzi and Rookie fight it out for QBOTF.

To be fair, the play calling was TERRIBLE in the red zone all game long.

KC Tattoo
12-19-2011, 07:02 AM
I want to see Stanzi play. Just horse shit that they give it to one guy with out looking at the guy we drafted. They better have a true competition in preseason next year. The Chiefs never have competition, they just give it to the incompetent rehash quarterback.

King_Chief_Fan
12-19-2011, 07:15 AM
I want to see Stanzi play. Just horse shit that they give it to one guy with out looking at the guy we drafted. They better have a true competition in preseason next year. The Chiefs never have competition, they just give it to the incompetent rehash quarterback.

Stanzi wouldn't beat out Kyle Orton. And I am not saying that Orton is a world beater. I am saying you all put way too much stock in somone who hasn't even cracked the right to dress out with the team on game days until Cassel went down.

Tribal Warfare
12-19-2011, 07:16 AM
Stanzi wouldn't beat out Kyle Orton. And I am not saying that Orton is a world beater. I am saying you all put way too much stock in somone who hasn't even cracked the right to dress out with the team on game days until Cassel went down.

We won't know until it plays out fairly

King_Chief_Fan
12-19-2011, 07:16 AM
More importantly:

Has an interim head coach promoted to head coach ever won a Super Bowl?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one.

Here comes the anti Crennel campaign

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-19-2011, 07:18 AM
We won't know until it plays out fairly

Why are the limits of our expectations bounded by Stanzi vs. Orton?

King_Chief_Fan
12-19-2011, 07:23 AM
We won't know until it plays out fairly

what does that mean?
We know that after being with the team 3 weeks, Orton learned the play book and in Crennels mind the clear choice to play.
How do we know the criteria used at practice to make this call?
How do you know it isn't fair?

eazyb81
12-19-2011, 07:26 AM
We all would love a new franchise QB, but it likely isn't happening this year. It might never happen under Pioli.

That said, Orton has the potential to put up similar production to Trent Green. With our defense we could win some games in that setup. Probably not a Super Bowl though.

Tribal Warfare
12-19-2011, 07:30 AM
Why are the limits of our expectations bounded by Stanzi vs. Orton?

No limits, just curiosity in how Stanzi will react and play against 1st stringers and I'm not Iowa homer or a True Fan when it comes to the QB position. If he tanks, and shows no signs of improvement or potential to be then QBOTF then fuck him.

Tribal Warfare
12-19-2011, 07:32 AM
what does that mean?
We know that after being with the team 3 weeks, Orton learned the play book and in Crennels mind the clear choice to play.
How do we know the criteria used at practice to make this call?
How do you know it isn't fair?

It was the conservative decision in the known product instead of the unknown one.

KC Tattoo
12-19-2011, 07:41 AM
Stanzi wouldn't beat out Kyle Orton. And I am not saying that Orton is a world beater. I am saying you all put way too much stock in somone who hasn't even cracked the right to dress out with the team on game days until Cassel went down.

That is why getting Stanzi some playing time this year would help. Draft a QB with our first and go into preseason with an open competition.

I want to see a QB we draft get a shot at being the guy. If they don't....

Well here is our mediocre QBotn2y KYLE ORTON.

Chocolate Hog
12-19-2011, 07:43 AM
Give it up on the Stanzi talk folks.

KC Tattoo
12-19-2011, 07:56 AM
Give it up on the Stanzi talk folks.

Why? He hasn't got to play yet. It would be nice to see him play for do diligence in search of QBotf. If not this has been a wasted year on reject QB play. Even if Orton does good he will hold this team back from anything greater than we have had since 1993.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 09:21 AM
Give it up on the Stanzi talk folks.

Seriously. Maybe it's you that should give it up. Until he gets to play, no objective person can say whether we have a potential contributor or not.

I know it just burns you to no end that he's a Hawkeye. It would bother me too if my team's QBs always ended up as safeties in the NFL...

Phobia
12-19-2011, 09:24 AM
One of the organization’s decisions became simpler Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, when interim coach Romeo Crennel led the Chiefs to a 19-14 win against the previously unbeaten Green Bay Packers. If this is the effect the 64-year-old Crennel will have on the Chiefs, ending a week of turmoil with a bit of hope, why would the Chiefs bother looking beyond him?

The Chiefs should be required to interview a white guy for the job to be fair.

InChiefsHell
12-19-2011, 09:32 AM
Seriously. Maybe it's you that should give it up. Until he gets to play, no objective person can say whether we have a potential contributor or not.

I know it just burns you to no end that he's a Hawkeye. It would bother me too if my team's QBs always ended up as safeties in the NFL...

What the fuck? I don't think Bug is saying anything more than give up on the Stanzi talk, cuz the Chiefs ain't gonna play him.

It doesn't bother me that Husker QB's go to the NFL as safeties. Husker football has never been about awesome pro-style QB's.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 09:41 AM
What the ****? I don't think Bug is saying anything more than give up on the Stanzi talk, cuz the Chiefs ain't gonna play him.

It doesn't bother me that Husker QB's go to the NFL as safeties. Husker football has never been about awesome pro-style QB's.

First of all, that's Billay, not Bug.

And he's been anti-Stanzi since the very beginning solely because he can't stand Hawkeye fans, namely BossChief.

He lacks objectivity on the subject and it's obvious.

As for the quip about Husker QBs, turnabout is fair play, is it not? I was merely illustrating how absurd it sounds...

Phobia
12-19-2011, 09:46 AM
To be fair, the play calling was TERRIBLE in the red zone all game long.

Just because it didn't work doesn't mean the play-calling was the culprit. Orton had a couple of his worst throws in the red-zone. The Packers stiffened up and made some plays on the goal-line as well. The Chiefs offense didn't execute flawlessly in goal-to-go situations. Doesn't mean somebody was calling a crappy game necessarily.

tk13
12-19-2011, 09:51 AM
Crennel's fighting for his job at this point. I really doubt Stanzi comes into play unless Orton gets hurt.

But admittedly I hate it when people say "let's see what we have." That basically means throw crap against the wall and see if it sticks. Stanzi should play when he's ready... which maybe he is, but the people clamoring for him aren't really thinking that, just hoping for a Tom Brady miracle.
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Iowanian
12-19-2011, 09:52 AM
I think it's a little early for the Chiefs to get too excited about Orton.

Yes, he's better than Palko, Yes, he's better than Cassel, but he's also washed out of 2 cities as the starter and isn't popular with those fans.

Yesterday, he was a huge improvement over what we've been seeing, but he had some bad throws and several that were almost Casselesque in how far behind they receiver they were thrown.

Brock
12-19-2011, 10:03 AM
Yesterday, he was a huge improvement over what we've been seeing, but he had some bad throws and several that were almost Casselesque in how far behind they receiver they were thrown.

74 percent completion rate says there weren't too many bad throws. Those back shoulder throws are a timing issue, the receivers probably aren't used to a ball being where it's supposed to be.

FAX
12-19-2011, 10:03 AM
Actually, I understood that the book on the Packer defense was "lots of yards", "few points given up". Our difficulty getting into the end zone is consistent with that reputation.

As for Orton, it takes time to get in sync with receivers. Most primary routes in the NFL have a major timing component.

I think it's too early to crown Orton's ass, though. Romeo's ass, too, remains in pre-crowning stage for that matter. It was one game. This Chiefs team has demonstrated a tendency to get "up" one week and falter the next. However, it's pretty clear that even a half-decent, journeyman quarterback improves this team by a factor of approximately 1 bamillion percentergers.

Romeo's deal is the same. Of course we studied our ass off for the Packers. Romeo wants the job ... that couldn't be more clear. It will be interesting to see how Romeo does once he's through the "proving" phase and is actually named head coach (assuming he is). The new girl is always real nice at first. Then, after she moves in, it's "Turn down the music." and "Go to the store, I need Tampax."

FAX

bricks
12-19-2011, 10:07 AM
Actually, I understood that the book on the Packer defense was "lots of yards", "few points given up". Our difficulty getting into the end zone is consistent with that reputation.

As for Orton, it takes time to get in sync with receivers. Most primary routes in the NFL have a major timing component.

I think it's too early to crown Orton's ass, though. Romeo's ass, too, remains in pre-crowning stage for that matter. It was one game. This Chiefs team has demonstrated a tendency to get "up" one week and falter the next. However, it's pretty clear that even a half-decent, journeyman quarterback improves this team by a factor of approximately 1 bamillion percentergers.

Romeo's deal is the same. Of course we studied our ass off for the Packers. Romeo wants the job ... that couldn't be more clear. It will be interesting to see how Romeo does once he's through the "proving" phase and is actually named head coach (assuming he is). The new girl is always real nice at first. Then, after she moves in, it's "Turn down the music." and "Go to the store, I need Tampax."

FAX

LMAO

Dicky McElephant
12-19-2011, 10:09 AM
There is no guarantee that Orton will even be here next year. Orton could be using these last three games to showcase what he can do....and then he'll sign with a different team in the offseason.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 10:16 AM
74 percent completion rate says there weren't too many bad throws. Those back shoulder throws are a timing issue, the receivers probably aren't used to a ball being where it's supposed to be.

Breaston had a drop where it plainly clear the ball got there well before he expected it. They're used to Cassel's floaters.

InChiefsHell
12-19-2011, 10:17 AM
First of all, that's Billay, not Bug.

And he's been anti-Stanzi since the very beginning solely because he can't stand Hawkeye fans, namely BossChief.

He lacks objectivity on the subject and it's obvious.

As for the quip about Husker QBs, turnabout is fair play, is it not? I was merely illustrating how absurd it sounds...

Let me just say, my reading skilz are not good. Must be cuz I'ma husker fan...heh.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 10:18 AM
Let me just say, my reading skilz are not good. Must be cuz I'ma husker fan...heh.

ROFL

Self-deprecating humor is the funniest of all humor...

ChiTown
12-19-2011, 10:22 AM
Did the Chiefs play yesterday?

Brock
12-19-2011, 10:22 AM
There is no guarantee that Orton will even be here next year. Orton could be using these last three games to showcase what he can do....and then he'll sign with a different team in the offseason.

Could be, but where's a better place for a QB than here?

Coogs
12-19-2011, 10:25 AM
Did the Chiefs play yesterday?

Yeah. But we just played a team that has a poor defense, injuries on offense, and was totally disinterested in playing yesterday.

ChiTown
12-19-2011, 10:25 AM
Yeah. But we just played a team that has a poor defense, injuries on offense, and was totally disinterested in playing yesterday.

Okay, now that makes sense.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 10:27 AM
Could be, but where's a better place for a QB than here?

Exactly. He wants to start, more than anything else.

His competition here is on paper only. This job would be his from the minute he signed the new contract.

Chiefnj2
12-19-2011, 10:28 AM
Could be, but where's a better place for a QB than here?

Seattle?

Brock
12-19-2011, 10:29 AM
Seattle?

How so?

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 10:35 AM
I think Orton would stay here. Him saying, "that's about the most fun I've had on a football field" looks pretty good.

Chiefnj2
12-19-2011, 10:35 AM
How so?

Starbucks.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 10:36 AM
Starbucks.

ROFL

For some reason, Orton seems more like a Boulevard guy than a Starbucks guy...

lcarus
12-19-2011, 10:40 AM
That was the best QB play I've seen in 6+ years. Considering it was his first start and he was up against a good team, and also without Charles and Moeaki, I'd be perfectly fine with signing him for next year and grooming a rookie behind him. The o-line played really really well. Best game I've seen from them in a while. That just tells me that the main problem with the offense was Haley and Cassel/Palko. I don't need to tell you all that though. It's pretty obvious and has been obvious for a long time.

Chief Faithful
12-19-2011, 11:12 AM
I think it's too early to crown Orton's ass, though. Romeo's ass, too, remains in pre-crowning stage for that matter. It was one game. This Chiefs team has demonstrated a tendency to get "up" one week and falter the next. However, it's pretty clear that even a half-decent, journeyman quarterback improves this team by a factor of approximately 1 bamillion percentergers.

FAX

I agree with all the points on your post especially about the conclusion that this team is significantly better with a competent QB.

Conclusions Reached From Romeo's First Game:
1. Teams most glaring need is QB. Palko does not belong in the NFL and Cassel is best as a backup.
2. The Chiefs team is a young talented team that is only a few players away from being a good team for years to come. Pioli is doing a good job in my mind.

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 11:12 AM
Everyone in the Chiefs' organization & it's fans married it's first piece of ass

Brock
12-19-2011, 11:23 AM
Everyone in the Chiefs' organization & it's fans married it's first piece of ass

LMAO

JD10367
12-19-2011, 11:25 AM
For whatever reason, Orton has had two good games against Green Bay this season.

Which is nice.

But he's also had shots on two teams (Denver and Chicago) and been shown the door at both locations, and he wasn't exactly replaced with Johnny Unitas.

I take that with a little more weight than I do a couple of good games.

Orton is what he is. He's a game manager, he'll keep you around .500 for a season, but he won't win a Super Bowl.

Brock
12-19-2011, 11:28 AM
For whatever reason, Orton has had two good games against Green Bay this season.

Which is nice.

But he's also had shots on two teams (Denver and Chicago) and been shown the door at both locations, and he wasn't exactly replaced with Johnny Unitas.

I take that with a little more weight than I do a couple of good games.

Orton is what he is. He's a game manager, he'll keep you around .500 for a season, but he won't win a Super Bowl.

Whatever he is, he's better than Cassel.

PunkinDrublic
12-19-2011, 11:32 AM
For whatever reason, Orton has had two good games against Green Bay this season.

Which is nice.

But he's also had shots on two teams (Denver and Chicago) and been shown the door at both locations, and he wasn't exactly replaced with Johnny Unitas.

I take that with a little more weight than I do a couple of good games.

Orton is what he is. He's a game manager, he'll keep you around .500 for a season, but he won't win a Super Bowl.

I think there's an outside chance he's a late bloomer. Like I said in another thread it could be we just need a guy who can read defenses and get the ball to open recievers. At one point in his career, a lot of teams had shown Rich Gannon the door.

notorious
12-19-2011, 11:39 AM
No, no, no.


Orton is not the long-term answer. He should be here for one reason: Start for a season or two while our future QB, which should be drafted next year, sits on the bench.

Rexx
12-19-2011, 01:16 PM
No, no, no.

Orton is not the long-term answer. He should be here for one reason: Start for a season or two while our future QB, which should be drafted next year, sits on the bench.

I agree with this. Orton would be fine as a 1 year guy, nothing more. As long as Cassell is gone and we draft a QB, I'm stoked.