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Epic Fail 007
12-19-2011, 03:26 PM
One reason pioli was so hands on ,in haley face as far as decisions.Because Todd was not an experienced HC and pioli could not trust him with everything.I mean Haley proved he could not be trusted.Haley was granted a chance which was chaos from day 1.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 03:34 PM
JasonLa Canfora Just said look for crennel to be named coach and mcdummy as OC and HC in waiting. ON NFLN

To be expected...

Count Zarth
12-19-2011, 03:37 PM
Are his sources WPI?

No. Nick is not reporting that Fisher is going to be our next head coach.

This is like the fourth independent report of Fisher to the Chiefs, though. Pretty smokey.

DaWolf
12-19-2011, 03:47 PM
Wake me up when Schefter chimes in. I still remember the whole "Shanarat is our next head coach" fiasco from last time being reported by Athan and the gang...

FringeNC
12-19-2011, 03:58 PM
JasonLa Canfora Just said look for crennel to be named coach and mcdummy as OC and HC in waiting. ON NFLN

I could live with that as long as Cassel is cut with Fax's AIDS knife.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 03:59 PM
1) an interim coach does not satisfy the Rooney rule.

2) A team can't hire a permanent replacement to the intern during the season.

They talked about this on NFLN and espn both last week.
being an intern Head Coach is a pretty dam good job interview.

all they have to do is sit down in the office one day and discuss the Head coaching job and it would be considered a job interview.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 04:02 PM
isn't that a lateral move by mcdaniels which would cost draft picks

McDaniels would keep Cassel and dump Orton

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-19-2011, 04:03 PM
isn't that a lateral move by mcdaniels which would cost draft picks

McDaniels would keep Cassel and dump Orton

He is about to get fired in 2 weeks with the rest of the rams staff.

Chocolate Hog
12-19-2011, 04:06 PM
isn't that a lateral move by mcdaniels which would cost draft picks

McDaniels would keep Cassel and dump Orton

Baseless bullshit.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 04:15 PM
Does that mean Cassel will be chosen over Orton?

Brock
12-19-2011, 04:17 PM
JasonLa Canfora Just said look for crennel to be named coach and mcdummy as OC and HC in waiting. ON NFLN

Sounds much more likely.

Rams Fan
12-19-2011, 04:18 PM
He is about to get fired in 2 weeks with the rest of the rams staff.

The only person who knows if he will or won't is Stan Kroenke.

Kroenke plays his cards close to his chest.

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 04:51 PM
Crennel said on SC he would be interviewed at the end of the year.

rocknrolla
12-19-2011, 04:59 PM
I think all of this Fisher talk is nothing but horse shit.
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RustShack
12-19-2011, 04:59 PM
isn't that a lateral move by mcdaniels which would cost draft picks

McDaniels would keep Cassel and dump Orton

McDaniels is probably losing his job with the rest of the Rams staff. Even if he doesn't, can't we hire him as the Assistant HC/OC/QB coach?

As for Orton and Cassel, I know his biggest problem in Denver was because he wanted Cassel in the first place... but he did end up getting more production out of Orton that he did with Cassel, and Cassel had a much better supporting cast. I could see him sticking with Orton now.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-19-2011, 05:04 PM
The only person who knows if he will or won't is Stan Kroenke.

Kroenke plays his cards close to his chest.

Spags and company are as good as gone.

rocknrolla
12-19-2011, 05:09 PM
I have no problem with RAC as HC and McDummy as OC. As long as Cassel is gone.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 05:11 PM
McDaniels is probably losing his job with the rest of the Rams staff. Even if he doesn't, can't we hire him as the Assistant HC/OC/QB coach?

As for Orton and Cassel, I know his biggest problem in Denver was because he wanted Cassel in the first place... but he did end up getting more production out of Orton that he did with Cassel, and Cassel had a much better supporting cast. I could see him sticking with Orton now.

We can only hope.

mnchiefsguy
12-19-2011, 05:16 PM
I have no problem with RAC as HC and McDummy as OC. As long as Cassel is gone.

How is the relationship between Orton and McDaniels? After all, McDaniels wanted to replace Orton with Tebow. I would think that a McDaniels hiring is pretty much an endorsement of another year of Cassel, which is not what any of us want.

ILChief
12-19-2011, 05:16 PM
I have a feeling we are gonna get hit with tampering charges over McD

Micjones
12-19-2011, 05:23 PM
JasonLa Canfora Just said look for crennel to be named coach and mcdummy as OC and HC in waiting. ON NFLN

If Crennel is hired as Head Coach and he fails...
McDaniels will never get the opportunity. Hunt will clean house.
Pioli will be gone and so will everyone else.

DTLB58
12-19-2011, 05:24 PM
I think all of this Fisher talk is nothing but horse shit.
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Schefter just said he won't and hasn't talked to anyone till after the season is over.

Makes sense per my earlier post.

Nightfyre
12-19-2011, 06:53 PM
This could be smoke being put out by Fisher's agent to fan some flames of interest elsewhere around the league. Seems the most probable scenario to me.

memyselfI
12-19-2011, 06:57 PM
Probably Todd Haley spreading rumors. :D

whoman69
12-19-2011, 07:45 PM
Probably Todd Haley spreading rumors. :D

If he wanted to spread rumors, he would have said McDunderhead.

durtyrute
12-19-2011, 07:48 PM
It has nothing to do with clout, Mr. BigChiefFan. It's just that Fisher has already had the "HC vs GM" experience and I don't think he would want to go through that again. When his Tacks gig was over, he was pretty burned out. Unless his brain has gone through a massive overhaul, I'm not sure he would be interested in the KC job.

You're right, though. He may never be offered another HC position, in which case the point is ... MOOT!!!

FAX

I think you mean, "The point is Moo" You know, like a cow's opinion....MOOOOOOO

petegz28
12-19-2011, 08:22 PM
If we sign Fisher you might as well let Bowe and Carr go and start the entire rebuilding process again because that is what we will be in for.

Count Zarth
12-19-2011, 08:27 PM
If we sign Fisher you might as well let Bowe and Carr go and start the entire rebuilding process again because that is what we will be in for.

Yes, because new coaches don't want talented players. :rolleyes:

petegz28
12-19-2011, 08:28 PM
Yes, because new coaches don't want talented players. :rolleyes:

So you think Fisher would come in here and not want to rebuild things his way?

prhom
12-19-2011, 08:31 PM
If we sign Fisher you might as well let Bowe and Carr go and start the entire rebuilding process again because that is what we will be in for.

Why wouldn't he want those guys? Not having to worry about finding a cornerback is worth a lot. Those guys can play forever.

Count Zarth
12-19-2011, 08:33 PM
So you think Fisher would come in here and not want to rebuild things his way?

I think he'd keep talented players.

I also believe that nothing special has been built here in three seasons so, might as well let someone else have a crack at it.

petegz28
12-19-2011, 08:34 PM
Why wouldn't he want those guys? Not having to worry about finding a cornerback is worth a lot. Those guys can play forever.

I was being facetious for the most part

Dave Lane
12-19-2011, 08:35 PM
I think all of this Fisher talk is nothing but horse shit.
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That's redundant. Fisher is horseshit.

prhom
12-19-2011, 08:35 PM
I was being facetious for the most part

Ah, missed the sarcasm. Should have read back a page or two I guess.

dirk digler
12-19-2011, 08:38 PM
I think he'd keep talented players.

I also believe that nothing special has been built here in three seasons so, might as well let someone else have a crack at it.

Why do you like Fisher so much?

WhiteWhale
12-19-2011, 08:39 PM
Why do you like Fisher so much?

Fisher, like Herm, is excellent at deflecting blame away from himself and on others around him.

Some people fall for his shit.

Chief_For_Life58
12-19-2011, 08:40 PM
Is he driving to KC or flying lol

mule drawn carriage.....only way into kc

Count Zarth
12-19-2011, 08:41 PM
Why do you like Fisher so much?

Proven winner.

Understands the value of a 1st round QB.

Hungrier than a guy with 5 SB rings and a 60-inch waist.

petegz28
12-19-2011, 08:42 PM
Proven winner.

Understands the value of a 1st round QB.

Hungrier than a guy with 5 SB rings and a 60-inch waist.

DO what?

dirk digler
12-19-2011, 08:49 PM
Proven winner.

Understands the value of a 1st round QB.

Hungrier than a guy with 5 SB rings and a 60-inch waist.

So was Marty

He did draft McNair but didn't want Young but Romeo drafted a QB in the first round too.

Possible.

I can just believe you like Fisher especially since he was an interim head coach.

RustShack
12-19-2011, 08:52 PM
Proven winner.

Understands the value of a 1st round QB.

Hungrier than a guy with 5 SB rings and a 60-inch waist.

Weren't 11 of his 17 seasons losing seasons?

Marcellus
12-19-2011, 08:54 PM
Proven winner.

Understands the value of a 1st round QB.

Hungrier than a guy with 5 SB rings and a 60-inch waist.

There definitely wouldn't be any more JC needs more carries threads.

Count Zarth
12-19-2011, 08:55 PM
I can just believe you like Fisher especially since he was an interim head coach.

That has nothing to do with anything. That was years ago. Not relevant.

dirk digler
12-19-2011, 08:56 PM
Weren't 11 of his 17 seasons losing seasons?

lol yep

Brock
12-19-2011, 08:57 PM
Weren't 11 of his 17 seasons losing seasons?

8-8 or worse.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-19-2011, 08:58 PM
Weren't 11 of his 17 seasons losing seasons?

His teams seemed to be better than thier talent level dictated though.

dirk digler
12-19-2011, 08:58 PM
That has nothing to do with anything. That was years ago. Not relevant.

He got the gig because his players liked him

RustShack
12-19-2011, 09:01 PM
His teams seemed to be better than thier talent level dictated though.

So Pioli's 3-4 defenders will play better in Fishers 4-3 than they would for other coaches? Sold.

Count Zarth
12-19-2011, 09:02 PM
He got the gig because his players liked him

That's cool. What does it have to do with the Chiefs? Nothing.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-19-2011, 09:03 PM
So Pioli's 3-4 defenders will play better in Fishers 4-3 than they would for other coaches? Sold.

I don't think he's coming to KC....so was just sayin

WhiteWhale
12-19-2011, 09:08 PM
His teams seemed to be better than thier talent level dictated though.

I swear, this is exactly like the conversations I had with people in 2006 about Herm.

notorious
12-19-2011, 09:09 PM
There definitely wouldn't be any more JC needs more carries threads.

There will be more "JC needs to be carried of the field" threads.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-19-2011, 09:11 PM
I swear, this is exactly like the conversations I had with people in 2006 about Herm.

I don't really see the comparison. Not every conservative coach is Herm. Herm was a damn buffoon.

dirk digler
12-19-2011, 09:14 PM
That's cool. What does it have to do with the Chiefs? Nothing.

Has any coach that was once an interim head coach ever won a SB?

RustShack
12-19-2011, 09:28 PM
Has any coach that was once an interim head coach ever won a SB?

Crennel has a chance to win one as an interim HC THIS YEAR!!!!

Believe!!!!


BELIEVE!!!!!

FAX
12-19-2011, 11:37 PM
There will be more "JC needs to be carried of the field" threads.

ROFL

FAX

Royal Fanatic
12-19-2011, 11:42 PM
Has any coach that was once an interim head coach ever won a SB?
Has any interim coach ever beat the defending Super Bowl champion and broke the team's 19 game winning streak?

It's pretty easy to frame a question that can make just about any point you want to make. But it's a bullshit argument. If you think Crennel is the wrong choice, you should stick to actually stating WHY, rather than just coming up with a little snippet that you can repeat over and over in multiple threads.

Hint: The fact that he is an interim coach has no bearing on his potential for future success. His age and his reputation as a players' coach would be better points to focus on.

NJChiefsFan
12-20-2011, 12:08 AM
Proven winner.

Understands the value of a 1st round QB.

Hungrier than a guy with 5 SB rings and a 60-inch waist.

He had a great run from 99 to 03. Win totals of 13, 13, 7, 11, and 12. His other seasons are 7, 8, 8, 8, 5, 4, 8, 10, 13, 8, 6. I don't hate the guy, but I think proven winner is a little strong when 10 of the 16 seasons are losing or .500 records.

BigMeatballDave
12-20-2011, 12:12 AM
I'm trying to understand why Clay has such a stiffy for Fisher.

KcMizzou
12-20-2011, 12:12 AM
I don't really see the comparison. Not every conservative coach is Herm. Herm was a damn buffoon.Still is.

ChiefsCountry
12-20-2011, 12:23 AM
I'm trying to understand why Clay has such a stiffy for Fisher.

He wants to prove that his source with Athan is right.

WhiteWhale
12-20-2011, 12:34 AM
I don't really see the comparison. Not every conservative coach is Herm. Herm was a damn buffoon.

The comparison is not in the coaches, but in the words used by those that support them.

"He's a winner".

That's EXACTLY what people said about Herm, and in both cases I believe it to be a smoke-and-mirrors reputation.

Count Zarth
12-20-2011, 12:37 AM
"He's a winner".

That's EXACTLY what people said about Herm

No one was saying that about Herm.

The hire was reviled by the majority.

Count Zarth
12-20-2011, 12:38 AM
I'm trying to understand why Clay has such a stiffy for Fisher.

Because when he had good QB play his team was a contender the majority of the time.

The only thing that stopped him from winning a championship early in his career was the greatest offense of all time and the greatest defense of all time.

I don't hold his later career against him because the owner was meddling.

He's my preference, but I won't cry if we hire someone else's coordinator not named McDaniels.

It's also my belief that we're going to end up with Fisher or Crennel, so I might as well get people to see his good points. He's easily a better option than Romeo.

NJChiefsFan
12-20-2011, 12:43 AM
Because when he had good QB play his team was a contender the majority of the time.

The only thing that stopped him from winning a championship early in his career was the greatest offense of all time and the greatest defense of all time.

I don't hold his later career against him because the owner was meddling.

He's my preference, but I won't cry if we hire someone else's coordinator not named McDaniels.

It's also my belief that we're going to end up with Fisher or Crennel, so I might as well get people to see his good points. He's easily a better option than Romeo.

Those are decent enough points. The way you were talking I took it that you thought Fisher was the shit.

I do disagree that the majority were against Herm when he came. Can't speak for around here, but I knew plenty that didn't want to hear my warnings about him.

ChiefsNow
12-20-2011, 03:58 AM
I'm thinking outside the box here.
If we did buy out Fishers contract, does that mean we have the rights to trade him?

Could it be a good problem to have?

If Crennel kicks butt the next two weeks and they decide to promote him, Could we trade Fisher to move up in the draft packaged with Cassel maybe??

Just a crazy thought.

Dexter Manley
12-20-2011, 05:14 AM
Trade value of Cassel with his current contract = absolute zero (assuming Josh McDaniels is not coach of the Bears, where Cassel could then be traded for Jay Cutler)
Trade value of Jeff Fisher = absolute zero

Chief3188
12-20-2011, 05:51 AM
Has any coach that was once an interim head coach ever won a SB?

Shanahan

Rausch
12-20-2011, 05:58 AM
I also believe that nothing special has been built here in three seasons so, might as well let someone else have a crack at it.

I completely disagree. The talent is here.

We were competitive with Pitt using our 3rd string QB, we beat the undefeated Pack, and shut out a division rival at home.

Our problem is inconsistency. No stability.

Week to week we could lose by 30 or upset the best.

Reminds me of the Gunther years...

Count Zarth
12-20-2011, 06:05 AM
I completely disagree. The talent is here.


That's kinda my point.

We have a lot of talent but no real established systems in place.

The offense is a mess. The defense has made some progress but it's not a top 10 unit just yet.

We might lose a bit of defensive continuity if we get a new HC but there's enough talent to compensate.

J Diddy
12-20-2011, 06:12 AM
Ironically enough the only coach to go to the superbowl after being an interim was Jeff Fisher.

Dexter Manley
12-20-2011, 06:16 AM
That's kinda my point.

We have a lot of talent but no real established systems in place.

The offense is a mess. The defense has made some progress but it's not a top 10 unit just yet.

We might lose a bit of defensive continuity if we get a new HC but there's enough talent to compensate.


Great pass rushers. Hali and everyone Pioli has landed for us... and kept from walking for minimum wage in FA...

J Diddy
12-20-2011, 06:26 AM
That's kinda my point.

We have a lot of talent but no real established systems in place.

The offense is a mess. The defense has made some progress but it's not a top 10 unit just yet.

We might lose a bit of defensive continuity if we get a new HC but there's enough talent to compensate.

No defense is going to be a top ten unit with the ineptitude of our offense. If your spending 40 minutes on the field a game constantly put into bad situations it will effect you.

The defense played like a top ten unit Sunday and a lot of that is because of time of possession.

Chief3188
12-20-2011, 06:34 AM
Ironically enough the only coach to go to the superbowl after being an interim was Jeff Fisher.

Wasn't Shanahan an interim HC at one point? Maybe I was thinking of Fisher.

HMc
12-20-2011, 06:35 AM
I'm thinking outside the box here.
If we did buy out Fishers contract, does that mean we have the rights to trade him?

Could it be a good problem to have?

If Crennel kicks butt the next two weeks and they decide to promote him, Could we trade Fisher to move up in the draft packaged with Cassel maybe??

Just a crazy thought.

have you been drinking

ChiefsNow
12-20-2011, 06:42 AM
have you been drinking


As a matter of fact, yes. Want some?

J Diddy
12-20-2011, 06:45 AM
Wasn't Shanahan an interim HC at one point? Maybe I was thinking of Fisher.
I was referring to the team he was an interim at. Fisher was the interim coach of the oilers in 1994.

In all fairness to Clayton's assertation that no interim coach ever won the superbowl, he came up just a yard short.

Count Zarth
12-20-2011, 07:07 AM
I was referring to the team he was an interim at.

So was I.

None of the interim head coaches in league history won a SB with the team they were interim with.

Pretty sure Shanahan was never an interim, either.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-20-2011, 07:12 AM
I'm thinking outside the box here.
If we did buy out Fishers contract, does that mean we have the rights to trade him?

Could it be a good problem to have?

If Crennel kicks butt the next two weeks and they decide to promote him, Could we trade Fisher to move up in the draft packaged with Cassel maybe??

Just a crazy thought.

ROFL

Rausch
12-20-2011, 07:16 AM
That's kinda my point.

We have a lot of talent but no real established systems in place.

The offense is a mess. The defense has made some progress but it's not a top 10 unit just yet.

We might lose a bit of defensive continuity if we get a new HC but there's enough talent to compensate.

Well, there's our problem.

Our HC and OWNER (MOST IMPORTANTLY) hasn't settled on an identity.

The Steelers, Pats, Ravens, and Packers KNOW who they are. THey know what they want to be and hire HC's they hope will reflect that.

We don't.

We copy the most recent winning model and hope we can mimic it.

Our only constant over the years is defense. We should find a coach willing to build on that and finally solidify it as our Identity...

J Diddy
12-20-2011, 07:21 AM
So was I.

None of the interim head coaches in league history won a SB with the team they were interim with.

Pretty sure Shanahan was never an interim, either.

yes but Fisher was a yard shy of it.

I don't think Shanahan was either.

Chief3188
12-20-2011, 12:20 PM
I was referring to the team he was an interim at. Fisher was the interim coach of the oilers in 1994.

In all fairness to Clayton's assertation that no interim coach ever won the superbowl, he came up just a yard short.

I am sure Clayton is used to that as I am sure he has missed his share of height based rollercoasters in his life.

Count Zarth
12-20-2011, 12:21 PM
I am sure Clayton is used to that as I am sure he has missed his share of height based rollercoasters in his life.

:spock:

I'm 5-11.

Chief3188
12-20-2011, 11:51 PM
:spock:

I'm 5-11.

Sweet.... I like pizza

FAX
12-20-2011, 11:54 PM
I have a crazy thought, too.

FAX

Chief3188
01-09-2012, 11:51 PM
:spock:

I'm 5-11.

I was referring to John Clayton