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TRR
12-19-2011, 10:55 AM
Posted on Arrowhead Pride....Sorry if repost.

This past hour on 610 AM radio, host Mark Carmen indicated that according to "his sources", Jeff Fisher to the Chiefs was a "done deal" and that he would be coming into KC "soon".

doomy3
12-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Wow, that's pretty weird timing...

Sofa King
12-19-2011, 10:56 AM
This thread should be interesting.

EDIT:

Oh, and i would be livid if this was true.

MIAdragon
12-19-2011, 10:57 AM
http://www.rawfish.com.au/images/exteme-teens-extreme-sports-bridge-jumping1.JPG

kstater
12-19-2011, 10:57 AM
I hope he doesn't buy the house I'm interested in out from under me.

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 10:57 AM
Yah, to be our DC.

Chiefnj2
12-19-2011, 10:57 AM
Clark and Pioli are going to have to squash that pretty quick.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-19-2011, 10:57 AM
Are his sources WPI?

Deberg_1990
12-19-2011, 10:58 AM
:popcorn:

the Talking Can
12-19-2011, 10:58 AM
Martyball


yea

Brock
12-19-2011, 10:58 AM
LMAO

petegz28
12-19-2011, 10:59 AM
I have to call BS on this. For one, Fisher would have to get permission to even talk to the Chiefs since the season is still underway, I do believe.

Secondly, if that were the case how does that not make it out on the media wires?

ChiTown
12-19-2011, 10:59 AM
:clap:

I love great Theatre.

suds79
12-19-2011, 11:00 AM
Allow me to play devils advocate here.

I've said before Sunday my rankings would be 1 - Fisher, 2 - Crennel.

Obviously after that win, Romeo gets a big boost but I'm waiting to see more before I bump him in front of Fisher.

You see it all the time. Coaching change, team gets a 2-3 game boost of energy before settling back into what they where.

Lets see what the team does before we anoint Romeo HC just yet. Fisher is still a hell of a coach IMO.

At this point I'd be pretty happy with either.

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 11:01 AM
I have to call BS on this. For one, Fisher would have to get permission to even talk to the Chiefs since the season is still underway, I do believe.

Secondly, if that were the case how does that not make it out on the media wires?
Who are we asking permission of? His mommy? Dude doesn't belong to a team, so he's free game now.

J Diddy
12-19-2011, 11:01 AM
I'm not going to go into the legitimacy of this report. However, I would like to go on record as saying, "This would piss me off. Alot. Not nearly as much as McDaniels, but in the same ballpark."

petegz28
12-19-2011, 11:02 AM
Who are we asking permission of? His mommy? Dude doesn't belong to a team, so he's free game now.

The Titans. I believe he is still under contract until at least the end of the season.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 11:02 AM
If true, Pioli really is an asshole of epic proportions.

stonedstooge
12-19-2011, 11:02 AM
Scotty leaking shit to the media again?

kstater
12-19-2011, 11:02 AM
I have to call BS on this. For one, Fisher would have to get permission to even talk to the Chiefs since the season is still underway, I do believe.




Look at this. Look at how stupid you are.

J Diddy
12-19-2011, 11:03 AM
The Titans. I believe he is still under contract until at least the end of the season.


You don't think they would give permission. If he's still under contract then they're paying him to do nada. I'm sure they'd jump all over it.

Pestilence
12-19-2011, 11:03 AM
If true.....this shit is about to get interesting.

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Payback for taking Brady out!!!!

threebag02
12-19-2011, 11:04 AM
Clark and Pioli are going to have to squash that pretty quick.

ya like that can happen Piolis word is worth about three shits in a sack

J Diddy
12-19-2011, 11:04 AM
My sources tell me Todd Haley to Kansas City is a done deal. They've decided they have enough talent now to win with so the brought back the Toddster.

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 11:04 AM
The Titans. I believe he is still under contract until at least the end of the season.
He hasn't coached any games this year. I think it was done back in January. They agreed to a buyout.

SPATCH
12-19-2011, 11:04 AM
oh my /takei

the Talking Can
12-19-2011, 11:05 AM
but if it means we draft a QB, then I don't care who the new coach is...

i'll take Gunther if that is what is required to get a QB...everything else is meaningless

gblowfish
12-19-2011, 11:05 AM
Fisher is 53. Crennel is 65. Chiefs front office don't like old people.

MoreLemonPledge
12-19-2011, 11:05 AM
Best Buy, Leawood, Phobia, secret email newsletter, Okay Gang, etc

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 11:06 AM
Yeah, the Titans coach is Munchak

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 11:06 AM
but if it means we draft a QB, then I don't care who the new coach is...

i'll take Gunther if that is what is required to get a QB...everything else is meaningless
Lots of ifs with this alleged hire

petegz28
12-19-2011, 11:07 AM
You don't think they would give permission. If he's still under contract then they're paying him to do nada. I'm sure they'd jump all over it.

Go back and read my post. I said if they gave him permission the media would be all over it.

petegz28
12-19-2011, 11:08 AM
He hasn't coached any games this year. I think it was done back in January. They agreed to a buyout.

Ah, ok. I didn't know they agreed to a buyout. I thought he was still under contract.

KC_Lee
12-19-2011, 11:09 AM
I have made my case against Fisher as the Chiefs' coach in numerous threads. If this is true we are screwed.

stonedstooge
12-19-2011, 11:10 AM
Who was trying to sabatoge the team? Haley? Or perhaps Pioli.

Sofa King
12-19-2011, 11:11 AM
I have made my case against Fisher as the Chiefs' coach in numerous threads. If this is true we are screwed.

I've seen it. I've agreed with it. How people think fisher is anything but average to below average is beyond me.

ILChief
12-19-2011, 11:13 AM
Did we fire Mike Shanahan already?

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 11:13 AM
Posted on Arrowhead Pride....Sorry if repost.

This past hour on 610 AM radio, host Mark Carmen indicated that according to "his sources", Jeff Fisher to the Chiefs was a "done deal" and that he would be coming into KC "soon".

Is he driving to KC or flying lol

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 11:14 AM
BTW, Crennel wouldn't fuffill our Rooney Rule requirement since he is already on staff.

J Diddy
12-19-2011, 11:14 AM
Go back and read my post. I said if they gave him permission the media would be all over it.

Why exactly? Are they required to give a press release?

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:14 AM
I've seen it. I've agreed with it. How people think fisher is anything but average to below average is beyond me.

But but but he went to the SB 1 time!!!!!!!!!111111111

Cave Johnson
12-19-2011, 11:14 AM
F. No.

J Diddy
12-19-2011, 11:15 AM
Is he driving to KC or flying lol


December 25.

Catching a ride with ol Saint Nick.

petegz28
12-19-2011, 11:16 AM
I think Carmen is stirring shit up to fuck with the Romeo love-fest

Pestilence
12-19-2011, 11:16 AM
I don't really see how this would be true.

It would basically end Crennel's tenure at KC. I don't think he sticks around unless he's given a legitimate shot at the HC position.

Predarat
12-19-2011, 11:17 AM
I heard Shanny is going to be out in Washington and the Chiefs are waiting on that shoe to drop to do anything.

petegz28
12-19-2011, 11:17 AM
Romeo has 5 SB rings....Fish has???

Mile High Mania
12-19-2011, 11:17 AM
Fisher is an interesting option... not sure what I really think of him.

142-120 overall as a HC in his 17 years with Oilers/Titans.

17 years and 11 were at or below .500 overall... the 6 other seasons were all over 10+ wins.

11 playoff games, won 5 and lost 6...

Brock
12-19-2011, 11:17 AM
BTW, Crennel wouldn't fuffill our Rooney Rule requirement since he is already on staff.

I don't think that's right.

eazyb81
12-19-2011, 11:18 AM
Poor man's version of Marty Ball.

Fisher couldn't even hold Marty's jockstrap.

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 11:18 AM
More like, Arrowhead's PI lied
amiright?

Deberg_1990
12-19-2011, 11:18 AM
The deal is done
Posted via Mobile Device

boogblaster
12-19-2011, 11:19 AM
oh the drama ......

JD10367
12-19-2011, 11:19 AM
Despite the midwest-wide erection at topping Green Bay, I'm still not sold on Romeo as a head coach. Yes, Cleveland has issues and it's always hard for a coach to shine there (e.g. Belichick). But I'm not sure I'd give Romeo the king's chair at the table after one game against an opponent who probably took them lightly and already have a playoff spot sewn up. Many teams play well under interim coaches for a game or two simply because the firing of the head coach lights a bit of a fire under their ass; combined with some anger over being disrespected (everyone assuming the Pack would crush them) and it being a home game, and... Just saying, one win by Romeo--even over an undefeated team--doesn't mean he'd be a great HC.

Having said that, personally I don't put Fisher that high on my list of "Former Coaches Who Would Be A Good Hire". I'd probably prefer Gruden or Cowher or even Billick. And while Fisher might be a smidge better choice than Crennel, that's only if Crennel stays on. If Crennel walks, it's a wash.

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:20 AM
I'm heading to best buy.

DaFace
12-19-2011, 11:20 AM
What incredibly bizarre timing. Color me skeptical.

stonedstooge
12-19-2011, 11:21 AM
It would crush the morale of the players if this is true

DMAC
12-19-2011, 11:22 AM
No way. KC media sucks.

gblowfish
12-19-2011, 11:23 AM
Fisher has a good porn stash, and unlike Haley, will bathe and put on clean clothes for game day.

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:23 AM
It would crush the morale of the players if this is true

Hard to believe that Pioli would go there after the way our guys played yesterday and supported Romeo.

Coogs
12-19-2011, 11:23 AM
I hope he doesn't buy the house I'm interested in out from under me.

If you are looking in Leawood, you may want to do a quick drive by to see if the for sale sign in the yard is still there.

stonedstooge
12-19-2011, 11:24 AM
Fisher has a good porn stash, and unlike Haley, will bathe and put on clean clothes for game day.

And Tony Saprano shades

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 11:24 AM
Fisher, Fox & Norv
talk about booring

Fritz88
12-19-2011, 11:25 AM
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/7417128/2/stock-illustration-7417128-bull-crap.jpg

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:26 AM
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/7417128/2/stock-illustration-7417128-bull-crap.jpg

LMAO

BigRichard
12-19-2011, 11:26 AM
http://www.rawfish.com.au/images/exteme-teens-extreme-sports-bridge-jumping1.JPG

LMAO

BigRichard
12-19-2011, 11:27 AM
What incredibly bizarre timing. Color me skeptical.

Is that sort of a greenish color?

BigMeatballDave
12-19-2011, 11:28 AM
BS.

I know Pioli appears to be a dumbass, but I cannot believe he would go after Fisher this soon. Not to mention I would hope he'd want to wait until the season is completely done to interview assistants on play off teams.

mdstu
12-19-2011, 11:31 AM
http://twitter.com/thecarm

@JoeyArs
Joey Arseneau
@thecarm : carm you sound like such a bitch on the radio today, go back to chicago you fucking fruit cake. Your just such a bitch!

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 11:32 AM
1. i don't see how Fisher would need permission since the Titans fired him. They lost all their control on him then.

2. Crennel would fulfill the Rooney rule because it would be about giving him a promotion to the empty position. Whether he is already on stuff doesn't matter.

3. I still don't see it. Hiring Fisher would basically mean gutting everything and starting over. Crennel won't stick around under another Defensive coach like Fisher. Jeff Fisher runs a 4-3 and Pioli has been picking up personnel for a 3-4. Makes no sense.


i still think Crennel gets the job IF the Chief play well the rest of the season. Then hopefully Crennel cleans house on offense and gets a new OC who can develop a young QB.

T-post Tom
12-19-2011, 11:34 AM
http://www.rawfish.com.au/images/exteme-teens-extreme-sports-bridge-jumping1.JPG

LMAOLMAOLMAO

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 11:36 AM
1. i don't see how Fisher would need permission since the Titans fired him. They lost all their control on him then.

They bought out his contract, did they not? He should be a complete free agent at this point.

ChiTown
12-19-2011, 11:41 AM
It would crush the morale of the players if this is true

I stopped giving a shit what these players want when the Chiefs players rallied around Frank Ganz and got him hired In 87.

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 11:41 AM
December 25.

Catching a ride with ol Saint Nick.

I'm tired of Santa continually dumping a shitload of coal on this franchise...

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Let's hire the most unimaginative, boring offensive coach out there...

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Best buy.com reports that Jeff Fisher is an unrestricted free agent.

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Fisher is just using KC so he can get a better deal & rub elbows with the '72 Fins

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 11:43 AM
Let's hire the most unimaginative, boring offensive coach out there...

But wha abouts Jason Babin!?!?!

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 11:45 AM
But wha abouts Jason Babin!?!?!


Bud Adams doesn't have a rep for being CHEAP for nuttin...

Geez, can't keep your best pass rusher for $6 mil per...

18 sacks in 14 games, who would want that player???

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 11:45 AM
Fischer looks like such a dour dandy. It's the holidaze people, and at least Romeo looks like a photo negative of Santa...

Whose lap would you rather sit on?

I'm just sayin'...

Hoover
12-19-2011, 11:46 AM
I sure hope they don't go get a guy like Bill Belichick he was 36 and 44 with Cleveland and had one fluke winning season...

Chief Faithful
12-19-2011, 11:46 AM
3. I still don't see it. Hiring Fisher would basically mean gutting everything and starting over. Crennel won't stick around under another Defensive coach like Fisher. Jeff Fisher runs a 4-3 and Pioli has been picking up personnel for a 3-4. Makes no sense.



Fisher is so out of the Pioli mold I can't imagine him even getting an interview.

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 11:46 AM
Fischer looks like such a dour dandy. It's the holidaze people, and at least Romeo looks like a photo negative of Santa...

Whose lap would you rather sit on?

I'm just sayin'...


A "Shroud of Turin" of Santa - LOL!!!

PRIEST
12-19-2011, 11:49 AM
I sure hope they don't go get a guy like Bill Belichick he was 36 and 44 with Cleveland and had one fluke winning season...




THIS

Hoover
12-19-2011, 11:51 AM
I think a guy like Fisher makes perfect sense, but more important than getting a coach, is finding a franchise quarterback.

If I could have it my way I would take Fisher as HC and keep Romeo, but understand that's not how things work.

notorious
12-19-2011, 11:52 AM
If this is true:


Bullet, meet franchise's head.

Mile High Mania
12-19-2011, 11:52 AM
I sure hope they don't go get a guy like Bill Belichick he was 36 and 44 with Cleveland and had one fluke winning season...

Belichick was 41-55 prior to Tom Brady... we all know what has happened since that time. Not saying that BB is a bad HC, but ... there's a lot to be said for the Tom Brady factor.

I think a guy like Fisher makes perfect sense, but more important than getting a coach, is finding a franchise quarterback.

If I could have it my way I would take Fisher as HC and keep Romeo, but understand that's not how things work.

Agreed and Bill approves.

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 11:52 AM
I think a guy like Fisher makes perfect sense, but more important than getting a coach, is finding a franchise quarterback.

If I could have it my way I would take Fisher as HC and keep Romeo, but understand that's not how things work.

If the Fish arrives, he's going to bring his own staff. If that's not an option, I'd bet that he doesn't come at all...

jd1020
12-19-2011, 11:53 AM
I don't mind this hire. This dude went ape when the franchise he had been with for more than a decade drafted the wrong QB.

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 11:54 AM
A great example of a Jeff Fisher offense...

Chris Johnson in the backfield. Pass play. CJ's assignment: pick up James Harrison on the blitz... result - Vince Young gets "pile driven" into the ground...

Honestly, your best offensive player with 4.2 jets who played WR at East Carolina for a while and is a natural pass catcher... you have him in blocking... not out forcing the safeties back to cover his speed...

Sorry...

If the Chiefs keep Cassel and hire Fisher, the O will surely suck again...

notorious
12-19-2011, 11:54 AM
Romeo is either our head coach next year or he is gone.


It's almost lose-lose.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 11:54 AM
A great example of a Jeff Fisher offense...

Chris Johnson in the backfield. Pass play. CJ's assignment: pick up James Harrison on the blitz...

Honestly, your best offensive player with 4.2 jets who played WR at East Carolina for a while and is a natural pass catcher... you have him in blocking... not out forcing the safeties back to cover his speed...

Sorry...

If the Chiefs keep Cassel and hire Fisher, the O will surely suck again...

Considering he is a fucking defensive minded coach, he doesn't have an offense.

Dayze
12-19-2011, 11:54 AM
I want whatever coach can coach up our 1st round OL the best.

Bane
12-19-2011, 11:54 AM
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!

KC kid
12-19-2011, 11:55 AM
Pioli is married to the 3-4. I do not see fisher running the 3-4. Color me skeptical

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 11:56 AM
A good means test should be if they've hired their own relatives. Just say no
I don't know about Fisher in that respect

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 11:57 AM
BS.

I know Pioli appears to be a dumbass, but I cannot believe he would go after Fisher this soon. Not to mention I would hope he'd want to wait until the season is completely done to interview assistants on play off teams.

Not just dumb, but this would be a dick move to do this to Romeo. Romeo thinks he has a shot it would be disrespectful IMO

jd1020
12-19-2011, 11:58 AM
Pioli is married to the 3-4. I do not see fisher running the 3-4. Color me skeptical

I don't think Pioli has a choice in the matter. Pioli brought his guys in to work with Haley. This would be Clark bringing his guy in to work with Pioli.

bricks
12-19-2011, 11:58 AM
Pioli is married to the 3-4. I do not see fisher running the 3-4. Color me skeptical

You just gave me a reason to believe that this is all BS.

Thank you sir.

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 11:58 AM
If the Chiefs keep Cassel and hire Fisher, the O will surely suck again...



I'd make the call that if the Fish arrives, he is not only going to want his own staff, but his own QB as well. If he threw such a fit in Tenn over VY, then you think he's going to have a heaping helping of Matt Casserole rammed down his throat?

The Fish would send those leftovers out with the trash...

BigRichard
12-19-2011, 11:58 AM
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!

http://mindlesscomfort.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/are-you-not-entertained.jpg

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 12:00 PM
If Clark wants old school
Who's the modern day Jimmy Raye & Paul Hackett

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 12:01 PM
I'd make the call that if the Fish arrives, he is not only going to want his own staff, but his own QB as well. If he threw such a fit in Tenn over VY, then you think he's going to have a heaping helping of Matt Casserole rammed down his throat?

The Fish would send those leftovers out with the trash...


Fisher didn't want VY. So at least he has experience saying "yes sir" to dumb owner...

bricks
12-19-2011, 12:01 PM
Not just dumb, but this would be a dick move to do this to Romeo. Romeo thinks he has a shot it would be disrespectful IMO

It would be a huge dick move. But it's all false.

KC_Lee
12-19-2011, 12:01 PM
And if you thought that Haley's press conferences were lacking info Fisher's would go something like;

mumble mumble...got to control the ball...mumble mumble mumble...better defense...mumble mumble mumble...

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 12:03 PM
Fisher didn't want VY. So at least he has experience saying "yes sir" to dumb owner...

Don't you mean "no sir" ?

I'm having a syntax error issue with some of your posts...

"Jason Babin...gobbledygookgobbledygook...Jason Babin!"

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 12:04 PM
Pacman Jones, Hayensworth & Bowe will revert back to The Bowe Show

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 12:05 PM
And if you thought that Haley's press conferences were lacking info Fisher's would go something like;

mumble mumble...got to control the ball...mumble mumble mumble...better defense...mumble mumble mumble...

Lol it's like Herm as an analyst. Every question the ESPN guys ask he answers with "well they gotta run the football." LMAO

Bump
12-19-2011, 12:05 PM
If Crennel is cool with going back to DC, then fine. But I think Crennel is going to win out and if we get help to get in the playoffs, watch out bitches!

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 12:05 PM
Don't you mean "no sir" ?

I'm having a syntax error issue with some of your posts...

"Jason Babin...gobbledygookgobbledygook...Jason Babin!"


Bud Adams - We are taking Vince Young
Fisher - Yes Sir

Any questions...

WV
12-19-2011, 12:07 PM
I've seen it. I've agreed with it. How people think fisher is anything but average to below average is beyond me.

This.....................

Trevo_410
12-19-2011, 12:07 PM
whats the chances of us making nthe playoffs this year?

Coogs
12-19-2011, 12:08 PM
First off, I am white. And I hate to do this, but I am going to ask anyway. Aren't most all of the branches of "the tree" outside of Crennel white? Would hate to think this has anything to do with not hiring Crennel, but almost makes you wonder.

Mr_Tomahawk
12-19-2011, 12:09 PM
First off, I am white. And I hate to do this, but I am going to ask anyway. Aren't most all of the branches of "the tree" outside of Crennel white? Would hate to think this has anything to do with not hiring Crennel, but almost makes you wonder.

You son of a bitch...





















LMAO

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 12:09 PM
Bud Adams - We are taking Vince Young
Fisher - Yes Sir

Any questions...

So you're telling me he was fine with drafting VY, when it clearly lead to his break with the franchise. What was he supposed to do when Adams dropped VY in Fischer's stocking, after what I can only assume was some manner of resistance to the decision.

If it went down like you say, then Fischer might still be there...

Chiefs Pantalones
12-19-2011, 12:10 PM
First off, I am white. And I hate to do this, but I am going to ask anyway. Aren't most all of the branches of "the tree" outside of Crennel white? Would hate to think this has anything to do with not hiring Crennel, but almost makes you wonder.
Back in the 1960s yes it would be something to wonder about.

Coogs
12-19-2011, 12:11 PM
You son of a bitch...


I know! :shrug:

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 12:12 PM
"So you're telling me he was fine with drafting VY"


When it all erupted, VY said JF "never wanted me."

Fisher was not "fine" with drafting Vince. Fisher wanted either Cutler or Matt Leinart. When the owner told Fisher otherwise, Fisher did what he always did, he said "yes sir" and went on with life...

Coogs
12-19-2011, 12:12 PM
Back in the 1960s yes it would be something to wonder about.

But not now?

RustShack
12-19-2011, 12:13 PM
Please god, don't be true.

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 12:14 PM
content.usatoday.c om/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/ousted-vince-young-jeff-fisher-never-trusted-me/1


""I didn't feel like (Jeff) trusted me," Young told The Tennessean. "In the five years I was there, I was always looking over my shoulder.""

notorious
12-19-2011, 12:14 PM
Please god, don't be true.

It's so scary we are looking to God for help.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 12:15 PM
First off, I am white. And I hate to do this, but I am going to ask anyway. Aren't most all of the branches of "the tree" outside of Crennel white? Would hate to think this has anything to do with not hiring Crennel, but almost makes you wonder.
So now Pioli is not only Dr. Evil but he wears a white hood?


:facepalm:

Guru
12-19-2011, 12:15 PM
funny how the only sites this shows up on in a google search are Chiefs fan sites.

Mr. Kotter
12-19-2011, 12:15 PM
whats the chances of us making nthe playoffs this year?

If the Donks lose to Buffalo, and we win our last two.....wouldn't that be a hoot....LMAO

Bwana
12-19-2011, 12:17 PM
http://condition1industries.com/images/No%20Bullshit.jpg

suds79
12-19-2011, 12:17 PM
If the Donks lose to Buffalo, and we win our last two.....wouldn't that be a hoot....LMAO

I believe it's also and if SD loses 1 of their next 2.

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 12:17 PM
"So you're telling me he was fine with drafting VY"


When it all erupted, VY said JF "never wanted me."

Fisher was not "fine" with drafting Vince. Fisher wanted either Cutler or Matt Leinart. When the owner told Fisher otherwise, Fisher did what he always did, he said "yes sir" and went on with life...

So explain to me what his alternative could have been?
What do other coaches do when they are provided players not to their liking?

You make it sound as if he was a Bud Adams "yes man", which is clearly not the case...

The Fish was uber critical of VY as a response to having him dropped on his plate by Adams.

It's cool to debate, especially when logic plays no part of it...

Jason Babin = unicorn farts

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 12:18 PM
I got it...

He's banned to weekend evening shows, but he's ready. He has awesome people skills, and knows how to talk to those violent. And when the time comes, he knows how to throw a good punch...


GERALDO for Chiefs Head Coach!!!!!!!

Mile High Mania
12-19-2011, 12:19 PM
If the Donks lose to Buffalo, and we win our last two.....wouldn't that be a hoot....LMAO

Well, KC needs Denver to lose both of their final 2 games and they would need the Chargers and Raiders to slip up..

KC needs to go 2-0, with Denver going 0-2... OAK and SD losing some combination of their 2 remaining games each.

Dexter Manley
12-19-2011, 12:19 PM
"You make it sound as if he was a Bud Adams "yes man", which is clearly not the case..."


is - present, Fisher no longer TN head coach.

While TN head coach, Fisher was 100% a "yes man" to Bud Adams, as is everyone on the staff...

That 'hands on owner' issue...

Dartgod
12-19-2011, 12:20 PM
"So you're telling me he was fine with drafting VY"


When it all erupted, VY said JF "never wanted me."

Fisher was not "fine" with drafting Vince. Fisher wanted either Cutler or Matt Leinart. When the owner told Fisher otherwise, Fisher did what he always did, he said "yes sir" and went on with life...

Learn how to use the quote function, you fucking moran.


So you're telling me he was fine with drafting VY

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 12:20 PM
Well, KC needs Denver to lose both of their final 2 games and they would need the Chargers and Raiders to slip up..

KC needs to go 2-0, with Denver going 0-2... OAK and SD losing some combination of their 2 remaining games each.

Technically KC needs to win their last 2 and Denver needs to lose to Buffalo, since all 4 play each other in some fashion in the last 2 weeks.

Dartgod
12-19-2011, 12:21 PM
"You make it sound as if he was a Bud Adams "yes man", which is clearly not the case..."


is - present, Fisher no longer TN head coach.

While TN head coach, Fisher was 100% a "yes man" to Bud Adams, as is everyone on the staff...

That 'hands on owner' issue...

Again...
You make it sound as if he was a Bud Adams "yes man", which is clearly not the case...

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:21 PM
Well, KC needs Denver to lose both of their final 2 games and they would need the Chargers and Raiders to slip up..

KC needs to go 2-0, with Denver going 0-2... OAK and SD losing some combination of their 2 remaining games each.

We dont need the Raiders to slip up. We play them.

Chiefs need to win out. Chargers needs to lose 1 game. Tebows needs to lose to Buffalo.

I don't like out chances.

Baby Lee
12-19-2011, 12:22 PM
Well, KC needs Denver to lose both of their final 2 games and they would need the Chargers and Raiders to slip up..

KC needs to go 2-0, with Denver going 0-2... OAK and SD losing some combination of their 2 remaining games each.

If KC goes 2-0, it also takes care of Oakland.

ct
12-19-2011, 12:23 PM
First off, I am white. And I hate to do this, but I am going to ask anyway. Aren't most all of the branches of "the tree" outside of Crennel white? Would hate to think this has anything to do with not hiring Crennel, but almost makes you wonder.

nigga please, u crazy

The Bad Guy
12-19-2011, 12:24 PM
Chargers on the road the last 2 weeks. I don't worry about them. Rivers always has a WTF moment down the stretch just like last year against Cinci.

keg in kc
12-19-2011, 12:25 PM
Oh jesus.

Graystoke
12-19-2011, 12:26 PM
That would be very bad

Bump
12-19-2011, 12:28 PM
the real question is, has Fischer been to any Best Buy's in the area?

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:31 PM
the real question is, has Fischer been to any Best Buy's in the area?

I think the even bigger question is: Why do people feel the need to spell "Fisher" with a "c?"

ChiefsCountry
12-19-2011, 12:32 PM
Chargers on the road the last 2 weeks. I don't worry about them. Rivers always has a WTF moment down the stretch just like last year against Cinci.

Detroit will take care of San Diego. Buffalo against the Donks is the game for our playoff hopes.

ILChief
12-19-2011, 12:33 PM
Oh jesus.

Why does every discussion have to involve Tim tebow?

Bump
12-19-2011, 12:34 PM
I think the even bigger question is: Why do people feel the need to spell "Fisher" with a "c?"

because it's common. Bite me.

BigChiefTablet
12-19-2011, 12:34 PM
RAC!
RAC!
RAC!

O.city
12-19-2011, 12:35 PM
If Crennel leads this team to the playoffs and wins a playoff game or even 2, would everyone be alright with him going forward?

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:36 PM
If Crennel leads this team to the playoffs and wins a playoff game or even 2, would everyone be alright with him going forward?

Not unless his successor was also on the team in the form of a coordinator.

Bump
12-19-2011, 12:37 PM
If Crennel leads this team to the playoffs and wins a playoff game or even 2, would everyone be alright with him going forward?

Not even if we win the Superbowl

/cp

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 12:38 PM
I think the even bigger question is: Why do people feel the need to spell "Fisher" with a "c?"

It's the proper German spelling! :)

loochy
12-19-2011, 12:39 PM
the real question is, has Fischer been to any Best Buy's in the area?

I think the even bigger question is: Why do people feel the need to spell "Fisher" with a "c?"

The biggest question is:

Why do people feel the need to use a possessive in the place of a plural?

Bane
12-19-2011, 12:39 PM
If Crennel leads this team to the playoffs and wins a playoff game or even 2, would everyone be alright with him going forward?

To be honest I'm fine with it anyway.

KCUnited
12-19-2011, 12:41 PM
If Crennel leads this team to the playoffs and wins a playoff game or even 2, would everyone be alright with him going forward?

Jackson County would vote to fund a statue of him. Romeo Quennell BBQ joint next the George Bretts on the Plaza.

saphojunkie
12-19-2011, 12:43 PM
First of all, there are a ton of people who don't seem to understand what needs to be done for us to go to the playoffs.

Here is the rundown. If all this happens, we go. If any one part doesn't happen, we don't. This is the ONLY playoff scenario:

Denver loses to Bills, then loses to Chiefs.
Oakland loses to KC, then loses to San Diego.
San Diego loses to Detroit, then beats Oakland.
KC wins out.

All teams end at 8-8, with KC holding the tie breakers.

To the coach question, I would be worried about hiring Fisher, only because I think the players really love Romeo Crennel. They might be actively backing him, and you could cause locker room problems with bringing someone new in.

Also, Fisher is a 4-3 guy and therefore Romeo becomes obsolete. We also have too teach our defenders a whole new defense yet again. You risk Hali, Houston, and DJ dropping in production. That said, I think Dorsey and Jackson would improve.

KCUnited
12-19-2011, 12:43 PM
I'd be ok with Cornell or Ficsher. /610 caller

Three7s
12-19-2011, 12:44 PM
First of all, there are a ton of people who don't seem to understand what needs to be done for us to go to the playoffs.

Here is the rundown. If all this happens, we go. If any one part doesn't happen, we don't. This is the ONLY playoff scenario:

Denver loses to Bills, then loses to Chiefs.
Oakland loses to KC, then loses to San Diego.
San Diego loses to Detroit, then beats Oakland.
KC wins out.

To the coach question, I would be worried about hiring Fisher, only because I think the players really love Romeo Crennel. They might be actively backing him, and you could cause locker room problems with bringing someone new in.

Also, Fisher is a 4-3 guy and therefore Romeo becomes obsolete. We also have too teach our defenders a whole new defense yet again. You risk Hali, Houston, and DJ dropping in production. That said, I think Dorsey and Jackson would improve.
If KC beats Oakland, which has to happen for KC to get into the playoffs, then Oakland is eliminated. They don't need to lose to SD as well. We might be rooting for Oakland if SD beats Detroit.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 12:45 PM
First of all, there are a ton of people who don't seem to understand what needs to be done for us to go to the playoffs.

Here is the rundown. If all this happens, we go. If any one part doesn't happen, we don't. This is the ONLY playoff scenario:

Denver loses to Bills, then loses to Chiefs.
Oakland loses to KC, then loses to San Diego.
San Diego loses to Detroit, then beats Oakland.
KC wins out.

All teams end at 8-8, with KC holding the tie breakers.

To the coach question, I would be worried about hiring Fisher, only because I think the players really love Romeo Crennel. They might be actively backing him, and you could cause locker room problems with bringing someone new in.

Also, Fisher is a 4-3 guy and therefore Romeo becomes obsolete. We also have too teach our defenders a whole new defense yet again. You risk Hali, Houston, and DJ dropping in production. That said, I think Dorsey and Jackson would improve.

Oakland does not need to lose out. Thanks for trying.

chief4life
12-19-2011, 12:46 PM
Carmen just tweeted that his "source" is Danan Hughes.

He said specifically that its still a rumor.

This is far from a done deal, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was baseless.

Brock
12-19-2011, 12:46 PM
First of all, there are a ton of people who don't seem to understand what needs to be done for us to go to the playoffs.


Apparently, you're one of them.

johnny961
12-19-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm not real high on getting Fisher. Too conservative on offense. Not to mention his hire would probably mean Crennel is gone.

loochy
12-19-2011, 12:46 PM
I think the even bigger question is: Why do people feel the need to spell "Fisher" with a "c?"

Because Jenna Fischer is hot. That's why.

http://www.brightandearlyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jenna-fischer1.jpg

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 12:47 PM
Carmen just tweeted that his "source" is Danan Hughes.

He said specifically that its still a rumor.

This is far from a done deal, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was baseless.

Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

Trevo_410
12-19-2011, 12:47 PM
wow,, thanking back on the season... after all we've been through... and we still have a chance... wow

Bane
12-19-2011, 12:47 PM
Because Jenna Fischer is hot. That's why.

http://www.brightandearlyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jenna-fischer1.jpg

Rep

ILChief
12-19-2011, 12:51 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

Has anyone heard from Marc Boerigter? I'm sure he has some inside info as well.

stonedstooge
12-19-2011, 12:52 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

I see Clay had posted in that discussion

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-19-2011, 12:52 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

Well he's been inside Arrowhead Stadium...

Brock
12-19-2011, 12:52 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

Been talking to Marty or something, is the only semi plausible connection I can think of.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 12:53 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

wasn't he a WR drafted by the Chiefs in the early 90's?

Brock
12-19-2011, 12:54 PM
wasn't he a WR drafted by the Chiefs in the early 90's?

He was also their emergency QB, so he's a double insider.

Deberg_1990
12-19-2011, 12:54 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?

He goes to church with Phobia or something.....

Brock
12-19-2011, 12:55 PM
He goes to church with Phobia or something.....

He also waitresses at IHOP.

Predarat
12-19-2011, 12:57 PM
Because Jenna Fischer is hot. That's why.

http://www.brightandearlyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jenna-fischer1.jpg

ummmmmmmmmmm I agree!

DTLB58
12-19-2011, 01:01 PM
1) an interim coach does not satisfy the Rooney rule.

2) A team can't hire a permanent replacement to the intern during the season.

They talked about this on NFLN and espn both last week.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 01:02 PM
1) an interim coach does not satisfy the Rooney rule.

2) A team can't hire a permanent replacement to the intern during the season.

They talked about this on NFLN and espn both last week.

The "Rooney rule" can go fuck itself.

Micjones
12-19-2011, 01:02 PM
First of all, there are a ton of people who don't seem to understand what needs to be done for us to go to the playoffs.

Here is the rundown. If all this happens, we go. If any one part doesn't happen, we don't. This is the ONLY playoff scenario:

Denver loses to Bills, then loses to Chiefs.
Oakland loses to KC, then loses to San Diego.
San Diego loses to Detroit, then beats Oakland.
KC wins out.


WRONG.

Denver must lose to both the Chiefs & Bills.
Oakland only has to lose Saturday.
San Diego either has to lose to either Detroit OR Oakland.

Kansas City would hold the division record tiebreaker over Denver.
Kansas City would hold the head-to-head tiebreaker over Oakland.
Kansas City would hold the division record tiebreaker over San Diego.

Buffalo beating Denver is the toughest part of all of this, but they have won more than they've lost at home this year.
Everything else seems reasonable.

Coogs
12-19-2011, 01:03 PM
First of all, there are a ton of people who don't seem to understand what needs to be done for us to go to the playoffs.


If by ton, you mean 1 person, then you would be correct.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-19-2011, 01:03 PM
Since when is Danan Hughes an insider?


Hughes gets his info from that dumbass Bob Fescoe (always on his show) and bob is on WPI payroll so this Rumor is dead.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 01:06 PM
wasn't Fishers last year as HC for the Titans a mess?

seems like he wanted to start Kerry Collins over Vince Young and Bud Adams chose to keep VY as the starter and fired Fisher.

Predarat
12-19-2011, 01:07 PM
Jeff Fisher pretty much follows the law of averages. So basicily if you get him and keep him for 16 years you will get 6 playoff appearences, 2 AFC Championship appearences and a Super Bowl Victory.

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 01:07 PM
I think a fisher is some kinda cross between a ferret & a mink anyway

jd1020
12-19-2011, 01:11 PM
wasn't Fishers last year as HC for the Titans a mess?

seems like he wanted to start Kerry Collins over Vince Young and Bud Adams chose to keep VY as the starter and fired Fisher.

Actually, the Titans first announced they were going to keep Fisher and dump VY. Then they surprised everyone and dumped them both.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 01:13 PM
Actually, the Titans first announced they were going to keep Fisher and dump VY. Then they surprised everyone and dumped them both.

yep that sounds right, i knew they were a mess.

DaWolf
12-19-2011, 01:13 PM
Is Jeff Fisher essentially a poor man's Bill Cowher pre-Big Ben?

FringeNC
12-19-2011, 01:16 PM
I'd believe the rumor if it made sense. Don't see how Jeff Fisher makes sense for Scott Pioli.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 01:18 PM
If Crennel leads this team to the playoffs and wins a playoff game or even 2, would everyone be alright with him going forward?I'm ok with Crennel being HC right now AS LONG as we bring in a stud OC and new offensive staff too. I guess Zorn can stay on at QB coach but everyone else needs to go.

BoneKrusher
12-19-2011, 01:19 PM
I'd believe the rumor if it made sense. Don't see how Jeff Fisher makes sense for Scott Pioli.

i heard yesterday, he was headed to the Dolphins.

htismaqe
12-19-2011, 01:19 PM
I'm only with Crennel being HC right now AS LONG as we bring in a stud OC and new offensive staff too. I guess Zorn can stay on at QB coach but everyone else needs to go.

This.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 01:21 PM
This.
Man, my typing sucks. I have to go back to edit mistakes on almost every post. It's like my brain doesn't control my fingers.


:cuss:

BigChiefTablet
12-19-2011, 01:25 PM
I have no idea why everyone is hanging on Fisher's ball sack. The guy didn't win shit in 17 years with the same team. Give me Romeo any day.

Kyle DeLexus
12-19-2011, 01:25 PM
I don't really see how this would be true.

It would basically end Crennel's tenure at KC. I don't think he sticks around unless he's given a legitimate shot at the HC position.

I thought when Romeo first came here, it was basically said that he didn't want to be a head coach again?

Reerun_KC
12-19-2011, 01:26 PM
I have no idea why everyone is hanging on Fisher's ball sack. The guy didn't win shit in 17 years with the same team. Give me Romeo any day.

WTF has Romeo won?

:facepalm:

Bwana
12-19-2011, 01:26 PM
I thought when Romeo first came here, it was basically said that he didn't want to be a head coach again?

Perhaps, but I have a feeling he has changed his mind, if that was the case.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 01:27 PM
WTF has Romeo won?

:facepalm:

25 games bro! 25 GAMES!

philfree
12-19-2011, 01:27 PM
Didn't Fisher have control over personnel with the Titans? I jsut don't see him has a good fit with Pioli.

I'm not saying it's true, however, on the day Haley was fired I called up my buddy who comes down every Sunday to watch the games and told him what was going on. He called me back about ten minutes later and said he had just spoke with a guy he knows who listens to alot of sports talk radio. This guy told him he heard on some station that Clark wanted Fisher and if Pioli didn't want to hire him that Pioli could hit the road with Haley.

Okie_Apparition
12-19-2011, 01:28 PM
ONe for the thumb

notorious
12-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Crennel is going to be head coach.


Josh McDaniels is going to be the OC.


Get ready.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Didn't have Fisher have control over personnel with the Titans? I jsut don't see him has a good fit with Pioli.

I'm saying it's true, however, on the day Haley was fired I called up my buddy who comes down every Sunday to watch the games and told him what was going on. He called me back about ten minutes later and said he had just spoke with a guy he knows who listens to alot of sports talk radio. This guy told him he heard on some station that Clark wanted Fisher and if Pioli didn't want to hire him that Pioli could hit the road with Haley.

Ya right. Clark loves Pioli.

suds79
12-19-2011, 01:30 PM
I have no idea why everyone is hanging on Fisher's ball sack. The guy didn't win shit in 17 years with the same team. Give me Romeo any day.

SB appearance. Had to work around a core team lead by Steve McNair who seemingly got hurt every single year.

I wouldn't call those teams loaded by any means.

Then had Vince Young forced upon him.

philfree
12-19-2011, 01:31 PM
Ya right. Clark loves Pioli.

Like I said "I'm not saying it's true" it's just what I got in the form of 2nd/3rd hand information.

jd1020
12-19-2011, 01:31 PM
Like I said "I'm not saying it's true" it's just what I got in the form of 2nd/3rd hand information.

You said "I'm saying it's true" and you bolded it.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-19-2011, 01:31 PM
OK gang....I'm hearing Steve McNair will co coach QB's with Trent and Eddie George to coach the running backs.

BigChiefTablet
12-19-2011, 01:32 PM
WTF has Romeo won?

:facepalm:

So four years with the Browns is the same as 17 years with the Oilers/Titans?

The almighty Belichick couldn't win with the Browns. Nobody should have given him a second chance either.

And Romeo has 5 Superbowl rings. That's WTF he has won.

KCtotheSB
12-19-2011, 01:32 PM
OK gang....I'm hearing Steve McNair will co coach QB's with Trent and Eddie George to coach the running backs.

Too soon.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2011, 01:33 PM
Crennel is going to be head coach.


Josh McDaniels is going to be the OC.


Get ready.
Pioli is the debbil!!!!111 :deevee:

DMAC
12-19-2011, 01:33 PM
So four years with the Browns is the same as 17 years with the Oilers/Titans?

The almighty Belichick couldn't win with the Browns. Nobody should have given him a second chance either.

And Romeo has 5 Superbowl rings. That's WTF he has won.

Get either guy a QB and either guy will have success.

KC_Lee
12-19-2011, 01:34 PM
OK gang....I'm hearing Steve McNair will co coach QB's with Trent and Eddie George to coach the running backs.

So one zombie and another who got his brains scrambled like a zombie?

philfree
12-19-2011, 01:35 PM
Ya right. Clark loves Pioli.

Clark seemed pretty pissed that day and while Fisher doesn't jive with Pioli I could see Clark pulling rank.

ChiefsCountry
12-19-2011, 01:36 PM
OK gang....I'm hearing Steve McNair will co coach QB's with Trent and Eddie George to coach the running backs.

Well a dead Steve McNair is still better than an alive Matt Cassel.

Sofa King
12-19-2011, 01:36 PM
Jeff Fisher pretty much follows the law of averages. So basicily if you get him and keep him for 16 years you will get 6 playoff appearences, 2 AFC Championship appearences and a Super Bowl Victory.

Victory? I think you mean loss.

philfree
12-19-2011, 01:37 PM
You said "I'm saying it's true" and you bolded it.

Typo and I fixed it. :)

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-19-2011, 01:37 PM
So one zombie and another who got his brains scrambled like a zombie?

Are you doubting my sources? ;)

suds79
12-19-2011, 01:38 PM
Jeff Fisher pretty much follows the law of averages. So basicily if you get him and keep him for 16 years you will get 6 playoff appearences, 2 AFC Championship appearences and a Super Bowl Victory.

I wish the law of averages where about every 16 years. ;)

For us apparently it's 40... and counting.

gblowfish
12-19-2011, 01:40 PM
I've got maybe 25 years left on Planet Earth. These boneheads better figure out a way to get KC to the Superbowl in that time frame, or I'm screwed!

MOhillbilly
12-19-2011, 01:41 PM
46 hybrid, runs the ball, plays d, ultra conservative. Yep that's a good fit.

Predarat
12-19-2011, 01:42 PM
I've got maybe 25 years left on Planet Earth. These boneheads better figure out a way to get KC to the Superbowl in that time frame, or I'm screwed!

Give Fisher 16 years, and you will have the ring + 9 years of gravy.

mlyonsd
12-19-2011, 01:43 PM
I thought when Romeo first came here, it was basically said that he didn't want to be a head coach again?Maybe now that he finally got gatorade dumped on him he'll be ok just as DC.

Royal Fanatic
12-19-2011, 01:57 PM
I stopped giving a shit what these players want when the Chiefs players rallied around Frank Ganz and got him hired In 87.
I don't give a shit about what the players want either. But comparing Frank Gansz to Romeo Crennel is bogus. Gansz was just a smooth-talking serial liar who talked his way into the job. Crennel has solid credentials.

Brock
12-19-2011, 02:12 PM
1) an interim coach does not satisfy the Rooney rule.

Gonna need a link on that.

petegz28
12-19-2011, 02:13 PM
Actually doing some googling it appears Danan Hughes reported a few days ago that the Chiefs would announce Fisher as the new HC within a few days. That is probably "Carm's" source.

Caseyguyrr
12-19-2011, 02:15 PM
610 says a lot of stuff, dont believe everything

DaWolf
12-19-2011, 02:24 PM
WTF has Romeo won?

:facepalm:

The best Browns regular season since, well, they reopened operations? :shrug:

Dave Lane
12-19-2011, 02:25 PM
but if it means we draft a QB, then I don't care who the new coach is...

i'll take Gunther if that is what is required to get a FRANCHISE CALIBER QB...everything else is meaningless

FYP

DaWolf
12-19-2011, 02:39 PM
Anyone who is excited about the idea of Fisher, read this and let me know how you feel...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/561049-jeff-fisher-supporters-quit-making-the-coaching-decisio-him-versus-vince-young
One thing that really irks me is how Jeff Fisher supporters (including his media organs Paul Kuharsky, Jim Wyatt, David Climer, David BoClair and Joe Biddle, plus a few pliant types in the national media) keep making this a "Jeff Fisher versus Vince Young" dispute. What that does other than help Jeff Fisher get another job, I have no idea. What do people expect this story line to accomplish?

It presumes that having the best record in the NFL and failing to win a single playoff game TWICE (2000, 2008) is OK.

It presumes that all of these free agency busts and failed high draft picks are OK (Now that Floyd Reese is long gone, Fisher fans can stop scapegoating the guy...if anything, the personnel moves have gotten even worse).

It presumes that all of the times Fisher has allowed malcontents like LenDale White, Albert Haynesworth and Adam Jones to marginalize his authority and make him look far more ridiculous than Vince Young ever did simply because they were "his guys" that he stuck his neck out for on draft day are OK.

It presumes that all of Jeff Fisher's failed coaching staff moves over the years (firing Earnest Byner was far from the first...remember Norm Chow anyone? This actually goes back to his firing Jerry Rhome because—gasp!—Rhome wanted to throw the ball and wanted better receivers) are OK.

It presumes that Jeff Fisher's many strategic/gameday coaching failures in big games and his regularly being outclassed and overmatched when going up against the better NFL coaches are OK.

It presumes that Jeff Fisher's failure to field a consistently good defense—largely due to his failure to adapt to the passing-oriented and spread offenses that made his 4-6 defense much less effective—for the last 10 years despite defense being his area of expertise is OK.

It presumes that the years of special teams debacles—again, despite Fisher being a former special teams player and his making special teams a point of emphasis — are OK (Yes, the special teams were good in 2008 and 2010, but outside of those have been real sore areas for years.).

It presumes that not having a consistent, reliable inside power running game since the 2000 season (after which Eddie George's fast slide began; basically, there was the Travis Henry season of 2006, Smash and Dash in 2008, and that was it) despite such being a major component to Jeff Fisher's blueprint for winning is OK.

And the Titans didn't add 2010 to that list because Jeff Fisher released LeGarrette Blount in order to give Lavelle Hawkins—the guy that he insisted would be every bit as good as DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Mario Manningham, and the other WRs drafted ahead of him—another shot, just as he released Antonio Johnson a couple of years back to give Chris Henry another shot, and who knows who was released in order to carry Paul Williams all those years.

It presumes that never having a true No. 1 receiver in his 16 seasons as head coach is OK (Derrick Mason, for all his positives, is only a No. 2 because of his lack of size and deep speed. Mason never reached 10 TD catches in a season, and has fewer than a dozen career receptions of 50 yards or longer.).

It presumes that never in 16 years having a group of WRs that would receive similar playing time for most of the other NFL teams are OK.

It presumes that spending most of his coaching career with glaring deficiencies in at least one pass rusher spot and in several secondary spots are OK (a fact made even worse by Fisher's dedicating most of his major personnel moves, high draft picks and major free agent contracts, to defense).

It presumes that going his entire career without having a single QB reach 3400 yards or 25 TDs passing (mostly due to the lack of quality and depth among the WRs mentioned earlier) is OK.

It presumes that missing the playoffs five of the last seven years is OK.

It presumes that always being able to find a series of convenient scapegoats for your failures (a series of players, assistant coaches, and front office people) is OK.

It presumes as if there not being a bit of evidence that Jeff Fisher is going to change is OK (Fisher has steadfastly defended the team talent and his coaching decisions all season long, just as he always does).

Bottom line: It presumes that winning five playoff games in 16 years, with three of those wins coming in 1999 and most of them against very shaky teams (Baltimore with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with Tommy Maddox at QB, Buffalo with Rob Johnson at QB, and a very young Indianapolis team coached by Jim Mora) is good enough.

This only makes sense if your No. 1 issue is wanting Vince Young off the roster, despite the fact that the Titans' failures long preceded Vince Young and—as long as Jeff Fisher remains head coach with almost unchallenged personnel power—will continue in the future.

Or, of course, if you are Jeff Fisher or a Jeff Fisher supporter, who is able to contrive this into choosing an immature, unpopular and statistically meager QB over a head coach. If that is how the issues are framed, then the general sentiment is to back the coach, no matter who the coach is or what his record.

But if you think that you can get rid of Vince Young now and Jeff Fisher later...think again. The minute Vince Young is dumped, Jeff Fisher and their chorus will start saying "We need to start over and rebuild around a new QB. The process should take, oh, two or three years."

And two or three years down the line, the Titans will be right back to where a 10-6 record for two years out of three is OK (just as it basically has been for Jeff Fisher's tenure) or blaming THAT QB for all of Jeff Fisher's problems.

The one thing that Jeff Fisher doesn't want you to remember is that he hasn't won consistently with ANY QB. He didn't win consistently (or at all) with Chris Chandler (who went on to lead the Atlanta Falcons to the Super Bowl, and it was in the Chris Chandler era that Jerry Rhome was fired because he wanted to draft talented WRs and throw the football). He didn't win consistently with Steve McNair. He put up a losing record with Billy Volek, whom he dumped for Kerry Collins because of the insane delusion that Collins was a better player.

And of course, he has had one good season but two bad ones with Kerry Collins. Wait...that is not true (Jeff Fisher, er, has won consistently with Vince Young, who has had a winning record as a starter every single year. But let's pretend that it isn't the case for now.).

So, other than the folks still bitter over not getting Jay Cutler (and in the process ignoring Cutler's own won/loss or TD to turnover ratios), there is not a single bit of evidence that the Titans would have been better had they drafted another QB then, there is not a single bit of evidence that the Titans will be better going forward if they draft another QB now, and in fact all available evidence points to the contrary!

And yet, folks still want to make this about Vince Young versus Jeff Fisher instead of evaluating a record for Fisher that was pedestrian at best long before Young ever joined this organization!

So please stop it. The only reason why it is even a little bit relevant is because Jeff Fisher—playing the PR game as always—has had his informants "leak" that he doesn't want to come back if Vince Young is on the team, and because Bud Adams prefers Jeff Fisher back for one last shot to rebuilding with a new coach.

Fine, but let's not forget that had Vince Young not won games in 2006 and 2007, Jeff Fisher would have been fired long ago! I repeat, had Fisher and Norm Chow (who is battling to hold onto his job at UCLA!) gotten Matt Leinart in 2006, Fisher wouldn't have lasted past the bye week in 2007.

So quit buying into the propaganda angle where Fisher is using a (rather unjustifiably) unpopular QB to save his job and reputation (Fisher knows that even if he is hired as a new head coach somewhere else, he won't get a front office executive job or carte blanche control over personnel and the scouting department.).

Instead, let Fisher's record stand for itself. The only reason to do otherwise is because you are either a Jeff Fisher loyalist, or so intent on getting rid of Vince Young that you are willing to be stuck with Jeff Fisher until he gets yet another chance to prove that he can't win with yet another QB (and group of assistant coaches and group of players to go with him).

FringeNC
12-19-2011, 02:45 PM
I'm about as excited over the prospect of Jeff Fisher as I was with Herm Edwards.

BigChiefFan
12-19-2011, 02:55 PM
Great, another mediocre coach for a mediocre franchise.

King_Chief_Fan
12-19-2011, 02:57 PM
the deal isn't done until Nick Athan and his butt buddy GoChiefs says it is

Red Beans
12-19-2011, 03:17 PM
Anyone who is excited about the idea of Fisher, read this and let me know how you feel...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/561049-jeff-fisher-supporters-quit-making-the-coaching-decisio-him-versus-vince-young

Well, when you put it that way...

http://i41.tinypic.com/2d82ezn.jpg

Pushead2
12-19-2011, 03:21 PM
NO THANKS - Keep Crennel

FAX
12-19-2011, 03:24 PM
I honestly have no idea why people would think that Fisher would want this job.

FAX

Pushead2
12-19-2011, 03:25 PM
I honestly have no idea why people would think that Fisher would want this job.

FAX

I hope you're right Mr. Fax, because the feeling is mutual on why fans would want him to want it.

BigChiefFan
12-19-2011, 03:29 PM
I honestly have no idea why people would think that Fisher would want this job.

FAXI don't think Fisher has as much clout as you seem to think. I think he'll be lucky to find a job. 16 years is plenty of time to see, he isn't an outstanding coach and I doubt many franchises see him, as their saviour. He's an over-hyped, mediocre coach.

Phobia
12-19-2011, 03:30 PM
I don't know if Danan is the source on this rumor or not. But whomever referenced Boerighter as a comparison couldn't be further from the truth.

Danan is active with the Chiefs organization. He's a member of the Ambassadors and obviously does pre/post-game with Metro Sports. I don't know if that makes him an "insider". I don't actually attend church with him any longer. Haven't for a couple of years.

CaliforniaChief
12-19-2011, 03:31 PM
Someone will bite on Fisher. But I don't think it will be us. We are 2 victories away from RAC City.

Brock
12-19-2011, 03:32 PM
I don't think Fisher has as much clout as you seem to think. I think he'll be lucky to find a job. 16 years is plenty of time to see, he isn't an outstanding coach and I doubt many franchises see him, as their saviour. He's an over-hyped, mediocre coach.

He'll get a job, but the idea that any franchise is going to give him any great measure of control over anything is silly. He looks and acts like a burnout.

BigChiefFan
12-19-2011, 03:49 PM
He'll get a job, but the idea that any franchise is going to give him any great measure of control over anything is silly. He looks and acts like a burnout.

I'm trying to think who will be looking for a new head coach and out of those teams I can't see any of them going after Fisher. Possibly the Dolphins, but I doubt it. I think Gruden and Cowher will be more highly-sought after, leaving Fisher out in the cold. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds, but I pray he isn't our next coach.

munkey
12-19-2011, 03:52 PM
I have made my case against Fisher as the Chiefs' coach in numerous threads. If this is true we are screwed.


why?

darkchief
12-19-2011, 03:53 PM
I would be ok with Fisher or RAC. The downside with RAC is that Josh Mcdaniels will become our OC and that means Cassels is still here. EWWWW!

munkey
12-19-2011, 03:54 PM
I don't think Fisher has as much clout as you seem to think. I think he'll be lucky to find a job. 16 years is plenty of time to see, he isn't an outstanding coach and I doubt many franchises see him, as their saviour. He's an over-hyped, mediocre coach.


Kinda like when Peterson brought in Marty...

munkey
12-19-2011, 03:55 PM
I would be ok with Fisher or RAC. The downside with RAC is that Josh Mcdaniels will become our OC and that means Cassels is still here. EWWWW!

Not gonna happen...no way in hell

suds79
12-19-2011, 03:58 PM
I don't think Fisher has as much clout as you seem to think. I think he'll be lucky to find a job. 16 years is plenty of time to see, he isn't an outstanding coach and I doubt many franchises see him, as their saviour. He's an over-hyped, mediocre coach.

I'll take that bet. He'll end up getting a gig for about 5-6 mil a year.

vailpass
12-19-2011, 03:59 PM
I'll take that bet. He'll end up getting a gig for about 5-6 mil a year.

Yep

BigChiefFan
12-19-2011, 04:05 PM
I'll take that bet. He'll end up getting a gig for about 5-6 mil a year.
Seems teams had no problem letting him sit out the season. I've got no dog in the fight, I just think he's an overrated average coach, who will be lucky to find a job, because his coaching history is well-documented. He causes internal strife on a frequent basis and I don't think many teams are looking for an ego-maniac to pull rank. Just my take.

Mopery
12-19-2011, 04:05 PM
Done deal eh? Was he recently seen shopping for a home in the KC area?

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-19-2011, 04:06 PM
JasonLa Canfora Just said look for crennel to be named coach and mcdummy as OC and HC in waiting. ON NFLN

Pawnmower
12-19-2011, 04:07 PM
Done deal eh? Was he recently seen shopping for a home in the KC area?

how did you manage to tell this joke 1st

lcarus
12-19-2011, 04:10 PM
I'd honestly rather stick with Crennel than Fisher at this point. I think he's overrated.

FAX
12-19-2011, 04:18 PM
I don't think Fisher has as much clout as you seem to think. I think he'll be lucky to find a job. 16 years is plenty of time to see, he isn't an outstanding coach and I doubt many franchises see him, as their saviour. He's an over-hyped, mediocre coach.

It has nothing to do with clout, Mr. BigChiefFan. It's just that Fisher has already had the "HC vs GM" experience and I don't think he would want to go through that again. When his Tacks gig was over, he was pretty burned out. Unless his brain has gone through a massive overhaul, I'm not sure he would be interested in the KC job.

You're right, though. He may never be offered another HC position, in which case the point is ... MOOT!!!

FAX

Sofa King
12-19-2011, 04:21 PM
JasonLa Canfora Just said look for crennel to be named coach and mcdummy as OC and HC in waiting. ON NFLN

HC in waiting? Fuck that.