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Mile High Mania
12-21-2011, 09:23 AM
Looking at things from 1991 through 2010... I heard Mike & Mike talking about this today. Comparing QBs drafted #1 and how they're really about 50/50 on whether or not they have proven to be worth the selection over the last 20 seasons.

Then, comparing that list to the list of starting QBs on SB winning teams in the same 20 year period.

I think there have been something like 11 QBs selected #1 overall in this timeframe... and 5 of them have been on SB winning teams. Guys like Stafford and Bradford are early in their careers.

14 different QBs have won a SuperBowl.

Rypien (round 6)
Aikman (3X, round 1P1)
Young (round 1P1)
Favre (round 2)
Elway (2X, round 1P1)
Warner (UDFA)
Dilfer (round 1P6)
Brady (3, round 6)
B Johnson (round 9)
Roethlisberger (2X, round 1P11)
P Manning (round 1P1)
E Manning (round 1P1)
Brees (round 2)
Rodgers (round 1P24)

Just found it interesting and thought I would throw it out there...

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:26 AM
someone should show this list to the true fans here in KC, and see if they can pick out a common theme among that list.....

Zeke
12-21-2011, 09:28 AM
someone should show this list to the true fans here in KC, and see if they can pick out a common theme among that list.....

Don't draft a QB in the 3rd, 4th, 5th or 7th rounds if you want to win a SB.

1st, 2nd, 6th, and UDFA's are ok.

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 09:31 AM
Unfortunately, True Fans can only see that Tom Brady and Kurt Warner won Superbowls.

ChiefsNow
12-21-2011, 09:31 AM
someone should show this list to the true fans here in KC, and see if they can pick out a common theme among that list.....


Two of the 20 are Mannings. Theme, Draft more Mannings.

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:32 AM
Rypien (round 6)
Aikman (3X, round 1P1)
Young (round 1P1)
Favre (round 2) - I think he was only a pick or two away from the first; traded for a first
Elway (2X, round 1P1)
Warner (UDFA) - Million to 1 shot
Dilfer (round 1P6) -
Brady (3, round 6) Eleventy million to 1 shot
B Johnson (round 9) - All world Defense
Roethlisberger (2X, round 1P11)
P Manning (round 1P1)
E Manning (round 1P1)
Brees (round 2) - Only a pick or 2 away from the 1st.
Rodgers (round 1P24)

So, basically our Front office is banking on the Million+ to 1 shots.

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:33 AM
Two of the 20 are Mannings. Theme, Draft more Mannings.

LMAO

InChiefsHell
12-21-2011, 09:33 AM
How can you have 22 #1 picks overall in 20 years...I must be missing something...

KC_Lee
12-21-2011, 09:33 AM
But if your team never starts rookie QBs ever the point is kind of moot.

htismaqe
12-21-2011, 09:34 AM
Don't draft a QB in the 3rd, 4th, 5th or 7th rounds if you want to win a SB.

1st, 2nd, 6th, and UDFA's are ok.

Actually, that's where the actual draft is headed in my opinion.

2nd and 3rd-round picks are valuable enough and the law of averages are clear enough that teams just aren't going to pick QBs much in the middle rounds anymore.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:36 AM
Bascially it tells me we wont win a Super bowl with Orton, Cassel or Stanzi...

I am sure this will still come as a surprise to some of the true fan nbreds here...

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 09:37 AM
to me it shows what round a QB was drafted in isn't that big of a deal.
Brady has as many Super Bowl wins as Troy Aikman who was drafted first overall in 89.

Warner was better than Dilfer and he wasn't even drafted.

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:38 AM
to me it shows what round a QB was drafted in isn't that big of a deal.
Troy Aikman who was drafted first overall in 89.

Warner was better than Dilfer and he wasn't even drafted.

:spock:
not sure if srs..

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:38 AM
to me it shows what round a QB was drafted in isn't that big of a deal.
Brady has as many Super Bowl wins as Troy Aikman who was drafted first overall in 89.

Warner was better than Dilfer and he wasn't even drafted.

Folks Exhibit A.............

ChiefsNow
12-21-2011, 09:41 AM
There needs to be so much team chemistry, that it is a crapshoot to know which QB will gel with which group of players and which coaches.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:41 AM
There needs to be so much team chemistry, that it is a crapshoot to know which QB will gel with which group of players and which coaches.

And Exhibit B..........


Here we go again...

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:42 AM
I wonder if there are enough letters in the alphabet ....

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 09:42 AM
There needs to be so much team chemistry, that it is a crapshoot to know which QB will gel with which group of players and which coaches.

Well add this to the list of dumb fucking reasons why we shouldn't take a QB.

ChiefsNow
12-21-2011, 09:44 AM
Well add this to the list of dumb ****ing reasons why we shouldn't take a QB.


Who the hell said I didn't want to. WTF

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:44 AM
Clark AND Pioli failed Chemistry in High School. FYI.

RippedmyFlesh
12-21-2011, 09:45 AM
The only thing these numbers show is that your odds of winning a super bowl are higher if you draft a 1st round qb than in any other round.

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Who the hell said I didn't want to. WTF


:Poke:

:evil:

ChiefsNow
12-21-2011, 09:46 AM
I want to draft a QB, but what i said is still true.

carlos3652
12-21-2011, 09:46 AM
It shows me that unless you pick 1st overall your chances decrease significantly.
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T-post Tom
12-21-2011, 09:48 AM
How can you have 22 #1 picks overall in 20 years...I must be missing something...

This jumped out at me too. Makes no sense.

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 09:48 AM
not against taking a QB in round one but
i'd take Brady over every QB on this list and he wasnt a 1st rounder

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 09:51 AM
not against taking a QB in round one but
i'd take Brady over every QB on this list and he wasnt a 1st rounder

Brady is a fucking anomaly. The chances of that happening again.....are slim to none.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:51 AM
not against taking a QB in round one but
i'd take Brady over every QB on this list and he wasnt a 1st rounder

Well I would take Montana over Brady...

Lets play the hindsight 50/50 game...

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:52 AM
Brady is a ****ing anomaly. The chances of that happening again.....are slim to none.

Hell even this guy gets it....

It cant be that fucking hard to understand if Pestilence gets it.....

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Brady is a ****ing anomaly. The chances of that happening again.....are slim to none.

but there is also a chance of drafting a QB like:
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Ryan leaf
again.

Chiefnj2
12-21-2011, 09:55 AM
but there is also a chance of drafting a QB like:
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Ryan leaf
again.

Yes. You know what, San Diego was smart enough to try again. Cincy was smart enough to try again.

Dayze
12-21-2011, 09:57 AM
but there is also a chance of drafting a QB like:
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Ryan leaf
again.

no risk, no reward.

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Yes. You know what, San Diego was smart enough to try again. Cincy was smart enough to try again.

Cincy missed twice in 5 years tho.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:59 AM
but there is also a chance of drafting a QB like:
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Ryan leaf
again.

Yep, but you will never get anywhere in life if you dont first fail.

Failing means you at least tried.. Taking the safe road all the time ='s mediocrity.

You have to lose sight of 9-7 and take a chance at building a super bowl franchise...

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Cincy missed twice in 5 years tho.

Big fucking deal...

We have missed for 40 straight fucking years... Whats the difference?

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Big ****ing deal...

We have missed for 40 straight ****ing years... Whats the difference?

35 years if my math is correct.LMAO

carlos3652
12-21-2011, 10:02 AM
I feel that to have a competent, franchise qb, you need to draft a qb in round 1 or 2 every 2/3 years. I feel if you hit on one, you can always trade the rest for similar compensation. And if you don't hit and only get a serviceable qb you can use him until you groom the next one and then keep them as back up or trade him for good value.

Just my 2 cents.
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Sofa King
12-21-2011, 10:02 AM
but there is also a chance of drafting a QB like:
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Ryan leaf
again.

No team would ever have a QB is they were scared little pussies afraid of taking a shot at one.

KC_Lee
12-21-2011, 10:03 AM
Cincy missed twice in 5 years tho.

So did the Titans, missed with Young and drafted Locker after dumping Young.

And with the current rookie pay scale taking a QB in first round is less of a cap burden than in the past.

Also, you can go down every position on an NFL team and find a high number of early first round busts. So should that preclude an NFL team from ever taking a player at that position early in the draft again?

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2011, 10:04 AM
Guys, we don't need a franchise QB now.

We have a retread that beat the Packers, so we're all good.

Chiefnj2
12-21-2011, 10:04 AM
Cincy missed twice in 5 years tho.

And the franchise is still in better shape than KC.

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:05 AM
No team would ever have a QB is they were scared little pussies afraid of taking a shot at one.

go tell this to Bill Billichick and the Pats.

other than Bledsoe dont see the Pats going after QB's in higher rounds.

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:07 AM
And the franchise is still in better shape than KC.

only because Pioli was dumb enuff to hire Haley and Trade for Cassel, set us back three years.

carlos3652
12-21-2011, 10:07 AM
Bonekrusher : pats dont feel the need to yet.. How many years did the Pack go without taking qb high with Favre on their team?
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Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:07 AM
Guys, we don't need a franchise QB now.

We have a retread that beat the Packers, so we're all good.

Oh no, not you also?

Sofa King
12-21-2011, 10:07 AM
go tell this to Bill Billichick and the Pats.

other than Bledsoe dont see the Pats going after QB's in higher rounds.

They don't HAVE to draft a first round QB anymore. They got the 1 in a million 6th round HOFer.. Nobody else has... Why the fuck would they draft a QB when they don't need one...

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2011, 10:10 AM
Oh no, not you also?

Batteries in your sarcasm meter are needing a change, apparently.

:D

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 10:11 AM
go tell this to Bill Billichick and the Pats.

other than Bledsoe dont see the Pats going after QB's in higher rounds.

Ryan Mallett was a 3rd round pick.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:11 AM
Batteries in your sarcasm meter are needing a change, apparently.

:D


No, I was just being sarcastic back... I knew good and well what you meant.

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 10:12 AM
Hell even this guy gets it....

It cant be that fucking hard to understand if Pestilence gets it.....

Hey......wait a god damn minute.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2011, 10:12 AM
No, I was just being sarcastic back... I knew good and well what you meant.

Well, fuck.

All of my batteries are set aside for my nephew's gifts.

Bummer.

Bane
12-21-2011, 10:14 AM
"Looking at things from 1991 through 2010... I heard Mike & Mike talking about this today. Comparing QBs drafted #1 and how they're really about 50/50 on whether or not they have proven to be worth the selection over the last 20 seasons"

I don't care if the guy is even a 1st rounder.I just want KC to do their homework and draft a guy to build around with actual intentions of using him as a real life NFL QB vs just drafting this numb nuts mother****er over here because you're just supposed to draft one.

lcarus
12-21-2011, 10:17 AM
I want to draft a QB, but what i said is still true.

I agree with you, and I'm also on the "we sure as **** BETTER draft a QB in the first round if one is there" train.

lcarus
12-21-2011, 10:18 AM
to me it shows what round a QB was drafted in isn't that big of a deal.
Brady has as many Super Bowl wins as Troy Aikman who was drafted first overall in 89.

Warner was better than Dilfer and he wasn't even drafted.

I agree with this also. That being said, we're due to draft a QB with our first round pick.

Chiefnj2
12-21-2011, 10:18 AM
only because Pioli was dumb enuff to hire Haley and Trade for Cassel, set us back three years.

You think he should have kept Croyle and Thigpen as starters?

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:21 AM
Guys, we don't need a franchise QB now.

We have a retread that beat the Packers, so we're all good.

i didnt say that,
if we had a chance to get a qb thats considered a cant miss player like Luck then yes.

DaKCMan AP
12-21-2011, 10:21 AM
but there is also a chance of drafting a QB like:
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Ryan leaf
again.

Go look at the total # of QBs drafted in the 1st round in the last 30 years. Then look at the percentage of those who have been to the playoffs, been to the Super Bowl, and won the Super Bowl.

Then go look at the total # of QBs drafted in any other round during the same time frame and calculate those percentages.

I dare you.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:22 AM
Well, ****.

All of my batteries are set aside for my nephew's gifts.

Bummer.

That is if you can figure out how to put the damn thing together?

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:22 AM
You think he should have kept Croyle and Thigpen as starters?

Croyle no
but Thiggy had far better upside than the POS Cassel.

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 10:22 AM
i didnt say that,
if we had a chance to get a qb thats considered a cant miss player like Luck then yes.

If you keep waiting for a can't miss prospect at QB.....you're going to be waiting forever.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:22 AM
Hey......wait a god damn minute.

:D

Just yanking your chain...

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 10:22 AM
Croyle no
but Thiggy had far better upside than the POS Cassel.

Thigpen was a more mobile version of Cassel.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:24 AM
i didnt say that,
if we had a chance to get a qb thats considered a cant miss player like Luck then yes.

Nothing is guranteed buddy...

Luck has the opportunity to be a superbowl QB but he isnt guranteed a damn thing...

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:26 AM
I agree with this also. That being said, we're due to draft a QB with our first round pick.

like i said before we need a QB and drafting one is essential but there has to be more thought going into it than what Pioli did when he traded a second round pick for Cassel.

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:27 AM
Nothing is guranteed buddy...

Luck has the opportunity to be a superbowl QB but he isnt guranteed a damn thing...

i bet he has a super bowl win by his third season.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:27 AM
like i said before we need a QB and drafting one is essential but there has to be more thought going into it than what Pioli did when he traded a second round pick for Cassel.


Agree..

Reerun_KC
12-21-2011, 10:28 AM
i bet he has a super bowl win by his third season.

Alright, What you wanna bet?

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:31 AM
Thigpen was a more mobile version of Cassel.

but he was already on the roster and he didn't cost us a second round pick.

Mile High Mania
12-21-2011, 10:32 AM
How can you have 22 #1 picks overall in 20 years...I must be missing something...

This jumped out at me too. Makes no sense.

My bad... I was thinking something else and typed that comment poorly. I fixed it - there have been 11 QBs taken #1 overall.

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:32 AM
Alright, What you wanna bet?

maybe a sig bet of some sort?

Pestilence
12-21-2011, 10:33 AM
Alright, What you wanna bet?

I would clarify that Luck has to be the starting QB.

Mile High Mania
12-21-2011, 10:36 AM
They also talked about how Indy may have really screwed up by winning last week, especially if they find another win and match the Rams with 2 wins.

There's a scenario that puts the Rams at the #1 overall pick and with Bradford... they could command a HUGE bounty, someone was talking about 3 R1 picks and a couple of R2 picks... or even 4 R1 picks. It's crazy talk, especially with the 50/50 success rate by going QB #1 overall.

I think Luck can be the next great QBotF... but is anyone really wild about their team trading that large of a bounty in order to get him?

BoneKrusher
12-21-2011, 10:39 AM
I would clarify that Luck has to be the starting QB.

thanks a lot man. ;)

Chiefnj2
12-21-2011, 10:43 AM
R1 picks. It's crazy talk, especially with the 50/50 success rate by going QB #1 overall.

I think Luck can be the next great QBotF... but is anyone really wild about their team trading that large of a bounty in order to get him?

Looking at 3 consecutive draft picks:

Would I trade Baldwin, Berry and Jackson for Luck? Yeah.
Would I trade Berry, Jackson, Dorsey? Yes.
Would I trade Jackson, Dorsey and Bowe? Yes.
Dorsey, Bowe, Hali? tougher, but maybe.
Bowe, Hali and DJ? No.

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-21-2011, 10:44 AM
So did the Titans, missed with Young and drafted Locker after dumping Young.

And with the current rookie pay scale taking a QB in first round is less of a cap burden than in the past.

Also, you can go down every position on an NFL team and find a high number of early first round busts. So should that preclude an NFL team from ever taking a player at that position early in the draft again?Especially this.