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O.city
01-10-2012, 10:54 AM
Didn't see this posted and didn't wanna look thru any threads.

Romeo Crennel is good for the Chiefs — if Scott Pioli changes his ways
By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star
By SAM MELLINGER The Kansas City Star
Updated: 2012-01-10T09:11:32Z
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It’s official: Crennel is Chiefs’ new coach Romeo Crennel is good for the Chiefs — if Scott Pioli changes his ways Chiefs sign practice squad player Chiefs turn to Crennel’s experience Crennel seemed to be players’ choice Poll: Is Crennel the right call as the Chiefs' head coach?

This is the right man at the right time, as much as that can be said at the moment, but the more important reaction to his being announced as the Chiefs’ permanent head coach can be summarized in one word:
Enough.
As in, enough with the former Patriots. Enough getting the band back together. Three years after taking over, general manager Scott Pioli has made this organization a fuzzy copy of what he saw in New England, and the only reason it’s still floating along with potential is that he’s signed the most talented players he inherited.
Pioli is a smart football man, and in the most important ways, the narrative about him being a wild egomaniac is misguided. In certain ways, sure. But when it comes to personnel decisions and the thought process behind them, Pioli is hampered more by insecurity than ego.
Faced with a decision, Pioli almost always goes with the safe choice, the familiar choice, and that’s the part that needs to stop.
Now more than ever, Pioli must be bold. Leave his comfort zone. Make the Chiefs his own. That means taking chances, stretching his own boundaries and making sure his line during Monday’s news conference about being held accountable by Crennel is more than a forgotten sound bite.
Put simply: Pioli made the right decision with Crennel, but only if the Chiefs understand that nearly all of the remaining fixes for a franchise that essentially just lost a year of development must be found outside the building.
This will work, but only if Pioli decides that he must make key corrections in how he’s operated so far and tries to create something new here rather than clone past glory.
• • •
Romeo Crennel is a players’ coach. You hear that term a lot, even if people aren’t sure exactly what it means, but everyone seems sure that Crennel is a players’ coach. The players on this team love him, you know, and many openly campaigned for him to get the job.
Tamba Hali says Crennel is the kind of man players want to please. Dexter McCluster says Crennel has a unique way of motivating millionaire athletes to give that extra effort. Le’Ron McClain said Crennel has the “overwhelming” support of the most important players, and if you take any of this to mean Crennel is a pushover, there is an instructive story you might want to hear.
The setting was a team meeting a few weeks ago, after Crennel was appointed interim coach. He stood before his players as their tenuous leader, nobody quite certain how he would use the power … and he dogged Thomas Jones.
In front of the entire team.
Understand that as much as Todd Haley earned his reputation as a disciplinarian — fat camp, cuss words, we-only-talk-about-the-players-who-are-here — players grew to think that some guys were off-limits.
This was a special status. Matt Cassel made it as the quarterback. Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali worked themselves into it. Casey Wiegmann earned it based on his long career, and so did Jones.
So this group of players had never seen Jones called out by the head coach. Certainly not for everyone to see, and as they scooted up in their chairs and pushed their heads forward to get a better look, you know what happened next?
Jones took it.
He nodded.
Listened carefully.
Maybe even smiled a bit, because deep down, he sort of liked it. Enough of his teammates did, too, and over two offseasons and 29 games as defensive coordinator and three games as interim head coach, the Chiefs saw so many of the characteristics they want to embody in Crennel.
Consistency. Dependability. Intellect. Energy.
He is the right man, and in the right place. It would just help if he came from some other place, because then we could be more confident about the other necessary changes being made.
• • •
The easy thing is to trash this hire. The Chiefs need to get better, need to get inspiring, and hiring from within doesn’t normally accomplish either.
Thirteen years ago, the Chiefs promoted their defensive coordinator in large part because the players loved him and then went through two entirely gray seasons most remembered as “Gunther Cunningham.”
What’s easy to miss is that part of what makes Crennel a good fit here is that, just as he won’t hesitate to call out an organizational prince like Jones, he isn’t afraid to stand up to Pioli.
Crennel is 18 years older than Pioli, strikingly comfortable in his own skin and secure in his own accomplishments. He calls his boss Scott, and the first thing he did upon taking over was switch quarterbacks. The second thing was to tell Scott that he switched quarterbacks.
That’s how this thing has to work. Because these two men are inseparably tied together now. One can’t fail without the other one going down. Pioli will hold his head coach accountable, sure, but he has to mean it when he says the opposite will be true, too.
Crennel’s fortitude will be an important tool for the Chiefs, because so far Pioli’s effectiveness has been limited by his own reluctance. Being thorough and measured and certain are all good things, but so is making a decision.
For example, if Crennel thinks the Chiefs will be better off upgrading at quarterback through the draft or free agency, he is better equipped to make the case than Todd Haley was. And if Pioli is more committed to the Chiefs’ success than his own image, he’ll listen hard and be more aggressive than we’ve seen so far.
In other words, Crennel is the right man at the right time. But that doesn’t matter nearly as much as Pioli making good on his vow to do his own job better.
For that to happen, doing it “better” will have to mean doing it “different.”


Posted on Mon, Jan. 09, 2012 11:44 PM

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/09/3361922/romeo-crennel-is-good-for-the.html#storylink=cpy


Sorry for the format.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 10:56 AM
Nope

O.city
01-10-2012, 10:59 AM
He called out Jones.

Thats somewhat impressive. Also says Haley had his favorites which is not surprise.

SNR
01-10-2012, 11:00 AM
Bring back Tribal Warfare to post these threads. It's not hard to clean up the format, douche.

O.city
01-10-2012, 11:01 AM
Sorry, I'm in class didn't have time.


One of the MODS can delete this thread.

talastan
01-10-2012, 11:02 AM
I agree that Pioli needs to step away from the Patriots part deux. As to whether Crennel will be able to convince him to do that, or stand up to him I don't know that I have faith in that yet. Show me an improvement in the QB situation and I'll change my mind.

Coogs
01-10-2012, 11:06 AM
Show me an improvement in the QB situation

Paging L.A.Chieffan!

Extra Point
01-10-2012, 11:17 AM
D is set. Let's get an O that can score TDs, and keep people from bitching about our kicker.

Molitoth
01-10-2012, 11:21 AM
I SO wish I could hear Todd Haley's opinion on his stint here with Scott.

DeezNutz
01-10-2012, 11:22 AM
Maybe. I could see Romeo having a better go of it his second time around as a HC, and I agree that his past carries far more clout than Haley's could even dream of.

DeezNutz
01-10-2012, 11:23 AM
I SO wish I could hear Todd Haley's opinion on his stint here with Scott.

Why? Pioli certainly must take a lot of blame for the organization's failings, but Haley was promoted beyond his ability level, and I don't care what piss-poor HCs think about anything.

Gonzo
01-10-2012, 11:23 AM
You have to wonder if things went differently and Weis was still here, would Scott have still selected Crennel?
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DaKCMan AP
01-10-2012, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure Romeo could fit inside a leaf, but he could probably tip (turn) one over.

http://www.nissanusa.com/ev/media/images/learn/specs/exterior.jpg

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Maybe. I could see Romeo having a better go of it his second time around as a HC, and I agree that his past carries far more clout than Haley's could even dream of.

Even if Jim Zorn is the OC?

lcarus
01-10-2012, 11:32 AM
Romeo is a great defensive coach. If he keeps some control of the defense and we get an offensive guy in here, this could be a great hire.

DeezNutz
01-10-2012, 11:33 AM
Even if Jim Zorn is the OC?

I wouldn't freak out if he were promoted.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 11:34 AM
I wouldn't freak out if he were promoted.

That'd be a pretty awful hire. Crennel, Gibbs, Zorn that'd have to be the worst Chiefs coaching staff since the Cunningham days. Maybe i'm reading too much into this but Zorn was the only coach at Romeos PC yesterday.

arrowheadnation
01-10-2012, 11:37 AM
Romeo turning over a new "Leaf"?

<img src=http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1548651206433&id=65330011b1dcc646b134fc46d4250dea>

talastan
01-10-2012, 11:56 AM
That'd be a pretty awful hire. Crennel, Gibbs, Zorn that'd have to be the worst Chiefs coaching staff since the Cunningham days. Maybe i'm reading too much into this but Zorn was the only coach at Romeos PC yesterday.

I keep seeing that Zorn would be an awful OC hire. I'm not critizing anyone who thinks this; but I'm curious as to where this opinion comes from. I thought that he was a QB coach who was promoted to a HC and then fired and put back to a QB coach (We don't have a history with him as an OC). Did he call plays in Washington? Inquiring minds want to know.....

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 11:57 AM
I keep seeing that Zorn would be an awful OC hire. I'm not critizing anyone who thinks this; but I'm curious as to where this opinion comes from. I thought that he was a QB coach who was promoted to a HC and then fired and put back to a QB coach. Did he call plays in Washington? Inquiring minds want to know.....

His play calling sucked in Washington at this point I'd say the best candidate from the tree is Brian Daboll.

talastan
01-10-2012, 12:00 PM
His play calling sucked in Washington at this point I'd say the best candidate from the tree is Brian Daboll.


I didn't know that he was the playcaller in Washington. I do know that he is a WCO type of guy. How did the offense rank in Washington during his tenure. I realize also that Campbell was his QB most of that time.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 12:02 PM
I didn't know that he was the playcaller in Washington. I do know that he is a WCO type of guy. How did the offense rank in Washington during his tenure. I realize also that Campbell was his QB most of that time.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12692307/idiotic-play-call-seals-zorns-doom-in-washington

This article pretty much says it all.

talastan
01-10-2012, 12:04 PM
From Zorn's Wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn#Professional_head_coaching_.282008.E2.80.932009.29

Zorn complemented the Redskins’ bruising running attack with his version of the West Coast Offense, a combination that helped the Redskins finish eighth in the NFL in rushing yards per game (130.9).[3] After the first half of the regular season, in which the team finished 6-2, Redskin Nation got "Horny for Zorny." Zorn and the team proceeded to implode and finish 8-8, making the season a huge disappointment. However Zorn’s new offense produced four starters who earned Pro Bowl honors. Running back Clinton Portis, finished fourth in the NFL in rushing yards (1,487).[3] Tight end Chris Cooley earned his second consecutive Pro Bowl appearance and led the team with a career-high 83 receptions for 849 yards. Offensive Tackle Chris Samuels earned his sixth Pro Bowl appearance—marking the third-most in franchise history, while fullback Mike Sellers earned his first Pro Bowl selection in his eighth NFL season.[3]

Six games into the 2009 season, with a record of two wins and four losses, the Washington Redskins relieved Zorn of offensive play calling duties, assigning them to assistant coach Sherman Lewis following the Redskins' loss to the Kansas City Chiefs on October 18.

DaWolf
01-10-2012, 12:22 PM
It'll be interesting to watch this offseason. If we see the Chiefs making a lot of aggressive moves, I think we can chalk that up to the head coach and GM being on the same page in terms of player acquisition. There is a possibility that the lack of action we saw last year was due to the GM and HC not seeing eye to eye on certain players, which ended up paralyzing the organization in terms of player moves. I have no doubt that Haley had a relatively strong influence on who was brought in, as we can see by former guys Haley worked with in Arizona and in the case of Thomas Jones, Chicago being brought in.

Anyway, we'll see. If we are still not making moves, then Scott Pioli really must want to lose his job...

DeezNutz
01-10-2012, 12:28 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12692307/idiotic-play-call-seals-zorns-doom-in-washington

This article pretty much says it all.

Yep, I remember that play now. Not exactly a shining moment.

htismaqe
01-10-2012, 12:37 PM
First, is anybody else having trouble reading that OP? Horrible formatting...

Second, there's no need to read the whole thing. You can stop after reading the title:

Romeo Crennel is good for the Chiefs — if Scott Pioli changes his ways

Deberg_1990
01-10-2012, 12:42 PM
Redskin Nation got "Horny for Zorny."

ROFL.


Someone needs to start a new poll:


Who is "Horny for Zorny"?

BossChief
01-10-2012, 01:01 PM
Zorn should stay where he is.

We can do worse at OC, but it would be hard to.

Tom Clements (qb coach in green bay) should be offered the OC job here.

That's the only hire that would be exciting, to me.

HC in waiting and it would force Pioli to work outside his NE comfort zone.. KC ties as a player AND coach. Highly respected and very knowledgeable.

Slainte
01-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Not even going top attempt to read this unformated pile of shit. Lazy-ass effort on the OP's part...

58kcfan89
01-10-2012, 02:31 PM
I SO wish I could hear Todd Haley's opinion on his stint here with Scott.

Like this? (Stuff we give a shit about starts at around 5 minutes in. And it's nothing too groundbreaking.)

http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/nfl/todd-haley-a-great-learning-experience-14607/

It'll be interesting to watch this offseason. If we see the Chiefs making a lot of aggressive moves, I think we can chalk that up to the head coach and GM being on the same page in terms of player acquisition. There is a possibility that the lack of action we saw last year was due to the GM and HC not seeing eye to eye on certain players, which ended up paralyzing the organization in terms of player moves. I have no doubt that Haley had a relatively strong influence on who was brought in, as we can see by former guys Haley worked with in Arizona and in the case of Thomas Jones, Chicago being brought in.

Anyway, we'll see. If we are still not making moves, then Scott Pioli really must want to lose his job...

I can't friggin' stand Pioli right now, but I think last year had to do more with the short offseason & coming off a division title than anything. I think Pioli honestly thought his team didn't need any major acquisitions and that they'd be better suited just going into this season with what they had.

Or he's a dumbass. Which is probably just as likely.

Simply put, if I don't see a change at QB, I'm continuing my boycott of this team's merchandise and tickets.

Count Alex's Wins
01-10-2012, 02:32 PM
Romeo calling out TJ is pretty awesome.

Now he needs to call out Cassel.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 02:40 PM
Romeo calling out TJ is pretty awesome.

Now he needs to call out Cassel.

When'd this happen?

DaWolf
01-10-2012, 04:20 PM
When'd this happen?

See above article...

The setting was a team meeting a few weeks ago, after Crennel was appointed interim coach. He stood before his players as their tenuous leader, nobody quite certain how he would use the power … and he dogged Thomas Jones.

In front of the entire team.

Understand that as much as Todd Haley earned his reputation as a disciplinarian — fat camp, cuss words, we-only-talk-about-the-players-who-are-here — players grew to think that some guys were off-limits.

This was a special status. Matt Cassel made it as the quarterback. Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali worked themselves into it. Casey Wiegmann earned it based on his long career, and so did Jones.

So this group of players had never seen Jones called out by the head coach. Certainly not for everyone to see, and as they scooted up in their chairs and pushed their heads forward to get a better look, you know what happened next?

Jones took it.

He nodded.

Listened carefully.

Maybe even smiled a bit, because deep down, he sort of liked it. Enough of his teammates did, too, and over two offseasons and 29 games as defensive coordinator and three games as interim head coach, the Chiefs saw so many of the characteristics they want to embody in Crennel.

Consistency. Dependability. Intellect. Energy.

O.city
01-10-2012, 04:27 PM
When'd this happen?

It's in the column.

trndobrd
01-10-2012, 04:40 PM
Romeo calling out TJ is pretty awesome.

Now he needs to call out Cassel.


Ray Farmer needs to call out Cassel....and bring your playbook.

DTLB58
01-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Like this? (Stuff we give a shit about starts at around 5 minutes in. And it's nothing too groundbreaking.)

http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/nfl/todd-haley-a-great-learning-experience-14607/



I can't friggin' stand Pioli right now, but I think last year had to do more with the short offseason & coming off a division title than anything. I think Pioli honestly thought his team didn't need any major acquisitions and that they'd be better suited just going into this season with what they had.

Or he's a dumbass. Which is probably just as likely.

Simply put, if I don't see a change at QB, I'm continuing my boycott of this team's merchandise and tickets.

Yea, I use to like to listen to Pioli but anymore I think he is just blowing a bunch of smoke and thinks that all fans are just dumb asses. I wish Clark would have fired him and hired Polian or McKenzie.

DTLB58
01-10-2012, 04:44 PM
Ray Farmer needs to call out Cassel....and bring your playbook.

:thumb: :clap: :LOL:

lcarus
01-10-2012, 04:44 PM
Ray Farmer needs to call out Cassel....and bring your playbook.

Let's just get rid of the playbook while we're at it too. Thing sucked.

whoman69
01-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Let's just get rid of the playbook while we're at it too. Thing sucked.

Maybe they shouldn't have written it in pink crayon.

Monty
01-10-2012, 05:35 PM
I know that RAC will do the right thing. He just called and told me that he's really excited to be the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs and he thanked me for being a fan etc. etc. I tried to chime in with my thoughts about the OC position, but then he hung up.... :banghead:

notorious
01-10-2012, 05:40 PM
If Cassel starting next year Crennel should just retire.

Kerberos
01-10-2012, 05:50 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-orleans-saints-drew-brees-dirty-little-secret-011012


From Jason Fatlock of Fox Sports;


Chiefs general manager Scott Egoli promoted Romeo Crennel to head coach to prove the genius of his general managership.

Crennel’s ascension isn’t about the love he enjoys in the locker room. Compared to Todd Haley, Chiefs players would love Rich Kotite. Nope. This hire was about Scott Pioli’s egoli.

Egoli believes he gave Haley all the tools necessary to contend for a Super Bowl title. If coached properly, in Egoli’s mind, Tyler Palko should have been Kansas City’s version of T.J. Yates.

Crennel was hired because he’s willing to pretend Matt Cassel is a franchise quarterback, Tyson Jackson is the next Richard Seymour and the Chiefs don’t miss Brian Waters.

I wish Romeo luck.

boogblaster
01-10-2012, 05:53 PM
Romeo will be fine if he gets some O help and stays hands-on with the D ......

htismaqe
01-10-2012, 06:29 PM
Romeo will be fine if he gets some O help and stays hands-on with the D ......

If he stays hands-on with the D, who the fuck is the head coach?

stonedstooge
01-10-2012, 06:36 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-orleans-saints-drew-brees-dirty-little-secret-011012


From Jason Fatlock of Fox Sports;


Chiefs general manager Scott Egoli promoted Romeo Crennel to head coach to prove the genius of his general managership.

Crennel’s ascension isn’t about the love he enjoys in the locker room. Compared to Todd Haley, Chiefs players would love Rich Kotite. Nope. This hire was about Scott Pioli’s egoli.

Egoli believes he gave Haley all the tools necessary to contend for a Super Bowl title. If coached properly, in Egoli’s mind, Tyler Palko should have been Kansas City’s version of T.J. Yates.

Crennel was hired because he’s willing to pretend Matt Cassel is a franchise quarterback, Tyson Jackson is the next Richard Seymour and the Chiefs don’t miss Brian Waters.

I wish Romeo luck.

I'll bet his take on the situation is as close to the truth as we have seen

notorious
01-10-2012, 06:41 PM
Teicher said today that Cassel will probably be the starter next year and that Orton wants out.


So, we are basically back to having full-blown meltdowns on Sunday again.

el borracho
01-10-2012, 07:47 PM
a) What a crock of crap. Players were not off limits to Haley. Haley buried players on the depth chart until they convinced him that they were ready to contribute, even highly paid, 1st day draft picks like Bowe and DJ were not off-limits to Haley.

b) Crennel is the wrong hire because he won't accomplish anything meaningful in the next two years (no one could without a QB) and he will not be here in five or ten years. Hell, Crennel is more likely to die in the next five years than win a Super Bowl.

NJChiefsFan
01-10-2012, 08:39 PM
Hell, Crennel is more likely to die in the next five years than win a Super Bowl.

Well thats not saying much. With Cassel at QB I have a better chance of winning the lottery than the Chiefs winning a SB.