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The Bad Guy
01-10-2012, 08:33 PM
3 names Williamson seems to think are in the lead for the job are Hue, Dirk Koetter and Zorn.

I'm with Mellinger. I don't think Zorn wants to call plays.

Out of who's left, I guess Hue is the best option. His team was very out of sorts fundamentally this year, but in the past, his offenses have been fine.

What say you?

doomy3
01-10-2012, 08:34 PM
I think Hue would be a nice get for OC. I would be happy with him.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 08:34 PM
Hue Jackson but it seems unlikely.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-10-2012, 08:35 PM
SI_PeterKingPeter King

RT @ChiefsandOsFan: Could you see Hue in KC as the OC? ... No I can't.


I'm going with peter on this one.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 08:35 PM
I also don't think Clark will go for someone who said he was gonna gut people.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-10-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm concerned about the lack of available studs.

Braincase
01-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Bring back Al Saunders. Crennel's D + Saunders' O = OMGWTFBBQ!

SNR
01-10-2012, 08:36 PM
I have no idea what kind of offense Hue likes to run. Would we stick with Erhardt Perkins or do something different?

SNR
01-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Also, add me to the Tom Clements wagon.

Reerun_KC
01-10-2012, 08:36 PM
I dont agree with Kietzman very often, but he said something that was quite interesting.

He feels that Pioli is more of the GM/HC of the Chiefs. Crennel will just be the supervisor of the coaches. That he will over see the "No Cover TE" defense with another coach acting as a DC.

Then they will get a OC in there that will run the offense with very little input from Crennel... But Crennel would have the final say so on game days....

DenverDanChiefsFan
01-10-2012, 08:36 PM
I also don't think Clark will go for someone who said he was gonna gut people.

I think the quote was the new faid gm was going to gut the place.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm not asking who you want to poll on Twitter. Have a fucking opinion of your own for once. Jesus fuck.

Peter King never can see anything for the Chiefs. His track record correctly predicting things for the Chiefs carries the same batting average as Adam Dunn in 2011.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 08:37 PM
3 names Williamson seems to think are in the lead for the job are Hue, Dirk Koetter and Zorn.

I'm with Mellinger. I don't think Zorn wants to call plays.

Out of who's left, I guess Hue is the best option. His team was very out of sorts fundamentally this year, but in the past, his offenses have been fine.

What say you?

BTW where are you getting these names from?

Mr. Flopnuts
01-10-2012, 08:38 PM
Also, add me to the Tom Clements wagon.

I would JIMP. But I don't see it happening. I think Hue is more likely.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
01-10-2012, 08:38 PM
I'd rather see Clements or Lombardi.

Let's step outside the box and look at people coming from highly-effective offenses.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2012, 08:39 PM
BTW where are you getting these names from?

Bill Williamson's blog on ESPN. He was on Sirius a little while ago and said Hue was also a real possibility.

I'm just starting discussion.

I haven't talked to my guy since Saturday night right before the McDaniels news became official.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-10-2012, 08:39 PM
I got a bad feeling its gonna be brian schottenheimer.

CaliforniaChief
01-10-2012, 08:39 PM
I also don't think Clark will go for someone who said he was gonna gut people.

FYI, Hue Jackson didn't say he was going to "gut the organization", he said McKenzie is.

But the sentiment that he is willing to throw anyone under the bus to accommodate his own desires is very true, and will give any team pause to hire him...especially one like ours.

But I'm not going to lie...bringing in someone with a vendetta against a hated rival is a tasty sentiment.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2012, 08:40 PM
I'd rather see Clements or Lombardi.

Let's step outside the box and look at people coming from highly-effective offenses.

There's no guarantees that Lombardi can make the jump. It's a big jump considering he's going to a team with a HC that's going to have no offensive input.

The Chiefs need to hit a homerun here. Going for either guy would be swinging for the fences, but I don't know if they are going to hit.

Clements would be safer out of the 2.

SNR
01-10-2012, 08:40 PM
That he will over see the "No Cover TE" defense with another coach acting as a DC.
So you're saying Pioli is the overseer of Crennel?

God, you're racist.

Reerun_KC
01-10-2012, 08:40 PM
I got a bad feeling its gonna be brian schottenheimer.

What makes you think that?

At this point I havent followed closely enough to know who is out there?

Brock
01-10-2012, 08:41 PM
So you're saying Pioli is the overseer of Crennel?

God, you're racist.

It's going to be a long couple of years if Sherun is going on another tard jihad about a coach he doesn't like.

DeezNutz
01-10-2012, 08:42 PM
SI_PeterKingPeter King

RT @DeezNutz: Whom do you believe Pioli will hire? ... Not sure, but I know he'll fuck it up.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
01-10-2012, 08:45 PM
There's no guarantees that Lombardi can make the jump. It's a big jump considering he's going to a team with a HC that's going to have no offensive input.

The Chiefs need to hit a homerun here. Going for either guy would be swinging for the fences, but I don't know if they are going to hit.

Clements would be safer out of the 2.

There's no guarantees I'm going to wake up in the morning.

Let's skip the retreads and the never-weres. If we're going to do anything, we need to take some chances with this team. Let's look at some damn successful offensive systems and see who's the brightest and best from that team and get them in here.

What's the worst that'll happen? We'll have a losing record and they'll get fired? Like that's never happened before here?

It's pretty much a guarantee if we bring in the usual suspects.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2012, 08:47 PM
There's no guarantees I'm going to wake up in the morning.

Let's skip the retreads and the never-weres. If we're going to do anything, we need to take some chances with this team. Let's look at some damn successful offensive systems and see who's the brightest and best from that team and get them in here.

What's the worst that'll happen? We'll have a losing record and they'll get fired? Like that's never happened before here?

It's pretty much a guarantee if we bring in the usual suspects.

The thing with all this is, yeah, those programs are nice. But they are nice because of Payton, McCarthy. Those guys aren't coming here. The Cardinals offense was nice because of Warner and Fitz. Haley was just a communicator.

I'm not against them, but I don't think these guys are necessarily the best idea with a defensive minded HC.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-10-2012, 08:48 PM
I don't like any of those options.

Dirk has done squat in Jacksonville.

Zorn...well we know his history calling plays.

Hue...What a fukcing clown. What were his offenses ranked while he was an OC?

Reerun_KC
01-10-2012, 08:50 PM
It's going to be a long couple of years if Sherun is going on another tard jihad about a coach he doesn't like.
So original...

milkman
01-10-2012, 09:28 PM
At the end of the day, I don't really think it makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.

If you have talent on the unit you're in charge of, you'll be successful.

If you don't, you won't.

See Al Saunders.

Brock
01-10-2012, 09:29 PM
So original...

So boring and repetitive...

Reerun_KC
01-10-2012, 09:30 PM
So boring and repetitive...

So concerned and troubled.

chasedude
01-10-2012, 09:31 PM
I hate the offseason!

Rausch
01-10-2012, 09:34 PM
At the end of the day, I don't really think it makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.

If you have talent on the unit you're in charge of, you'll be successful.

If you don't, you won't.

See Al Saunders.

I think Saunders was able to work wonders with very little. Our WR's were $3it back then and he managed to funnel production through Gonzo and Holmes...

Rausch
01-10-2012, 09:36 PM
I hate the offseason!

I already asked off for the week of the draft...:evil:

RippedmyFlesh
01-10-2012, 09:36 PM
At the end of the day, I don't really think it makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.

If you have talent on the unit you're in charge of, you'll be successful.

If you don't, you won't.

See Al Saunders.
I agree today players make coaches.
The best coaching can't make up talent deficit.
To OP I wouldn't mind Hue.
He made Campbell look better than he did in the past.
A vendetta against a division opponent is another check in the right column.
As a chief's fan gotta love someone who would be all in to get a QB.

Reerun_KC
01-10-2012, 09:36 PM
I think Saunders was able to work wonders with very little. Our WR's were $3it back then and he managed to funnel production through Gonzo and Holmes...

Thanks to a world class OL. But yeah they did a lot with very litlte we help.

Jerm
01-10-2012, 09:37 PM
Cleveland Plains Dealer writer Tony Grossi tweeted a few minutes ago that he thinks Brian Daboll will be the new OC...

milkman
01-10-2012, 09:39 PM
I think Saunders was able to work wonders with very little. Our WR's were $3it back then and he managed to funnel production through Gonzo and Holmes...

Saunders was able to "work wonders", because he had one of the best O-Lines ever.

Without that, he could have funneled all day long, and it wouldn't have worked.

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Cleveland Plains Dealer writer Tony Grossi tweeted a few minutes ago that he thinks Brian Daboll will be the new OC...

This makes the most sense.

chasedude
01-10-2012, 09:39 PM
I already asked off for the week of the draft...:evil:

Every year my apathy increases. I just don't get jazzed up for it like I used to.

There's no disappointment when you have no expectations.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Cleveland Plains Dealer writer Tony Grossi tweeted a few minutes ago that he thinks Brian Daboll will be the new OC...

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Mr_Tomahawk
01-10-2012, 09:40 PM
Cleveland Plains Dealer writer Tony Grossi tweeted a few minutes ago that he thinks Brian Daboll will be the new OC...

This guys moves more than Weis.

The Bad Guy
01-10-2012, 09:41 PM
This guys moves more than Weis.

At least it's without the use of a motorized scooter.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-10-2012, 09:42 PM
At least it's without the use of a motorized scooter.

:thumb:

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 09:42 PM
That'd be a pretty meh hire folks.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-10-2012, 09:45 PM
That'd be a pretty meh hire folks.

He worked with Favre in NY...maybe...nevermind.

CaliforniaChief
01-10-2012, 09:46 PM
Isn't he the one who was essentially pointed out for being a douche to Colt McCoy?

Chocolate Hog
01-10-2012, 09:47 PM
He worked with Favre in NY...maybe...nevermind.

Hey he made Matt Moore look good against shit teams. Sound familiar?

ArrowheadMagic
01-10-2012, 10:53 PM
Lateral move, attach a HC tag... Rob Chudzinski. Do something else with Carthon.

Frankie
01-10-2012, 11:14 PM
I'd rather see Clements or Lombardi.

Let's step outside the box and look at people coming from highly-effective offenses. X 1000


Zorn...well we know his history calling plays.How do we know that? Are you referring to his HC time in DC? If so I point out that that situation as HC + playcaller is totally different from what his role here will be. Too much responsibility in DC to handle.

At the end of the day, I don't really think it makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.

If you have talent on the unit you're in charge of, you'll be successful.

If you don't, you won't.It does and it doesn't. I agree that elite personnel makes an elite coach out of a good one. But a shitty coach won't succeed with a even a great squad.

Plus having a Lombardi or Clements here gives us the hope that we just may be grooming our next HC.

Cleveland Plains Dealer writer Tony Grossi tweeted a few minutes ago that he thinks Brian Daboll will be the new OC...
Dabollshit! These are just some guys' speculations.

But just in case this one is more, what is Daboll's resume?

DaWolf
01-10-2012, 11:17 PM
Cleveland Plains Dealer writer Tony Grossi tweeted a few minutes ago that he thinks Brian Daboll will be the new OC...

That would be... Interesting. I believe it was Daboll who was mentioned in the book War Room who was pissed at BB and McDaniels that McDaniels leapfrogged him on the Pats staff to become OC...

aturnis
01-10-2012, 11:31 PM
Isn't Dabolll still employed by the Phins? How would we hire him?

DaWolf
01-11-2012, 12:07 AM
Isn't Dabolll still employed by the Phins? How would we hire him?

I would assume whoever they hire will get rid of the existing staff...

mcan
01-11-2012, 12:10 AM
Now that the Raiders are cleaning house, Al Saunders should be available... :)

ChiefsCountry
01-11-2012, 12:16 AM
That'd be a pretty meh hire folks.

There is no homerun hire out there. Daboll would be a solid hire, who is young enough could be a potential head coaching canadiate for us in the future as well.

Frankie
01-11-2012, 12:35 AM
I don't know about you guys, but this puss does not generate a lot of confidence in me.

BryanBusby
01-11-2012, 12:57 AM
I don't know about you guys, but this puss does not generate a lot of confidence in me.

Yes, because I am sure candidates are going to be wrapped around Arrowhead Stadium in hopes they get the opportunity to work with NFL Superstar Matt Cassel.

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 01:55 AM
Lateral move, attach a HC tag... Rob Chudzinski. Do something else with Carthon.

Can't do that anymore.

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 01:56 AM
There is no homerun hire out there. Daboll would be a solid hire, who is young enough could be a potential head coaching canadiate for us in the future as well.

There isn't? Clements? Daboll's offenses have always ranked in the bottom half of the league.

KCUnited
01-11-2012, 05:35 AM
I dont agree with Kietzman very often, but he said something that was quite interesting.

He feels that Pioli is more of the GM/HC of the Chiefs. Crennel will just be the supervisor of the coaches. That he will over see the "No Cover TE" defense with another coach acting as a DC.

Then they will get a OC in there that will run the offense with very little input from Crennel... But Crennel would have the final say so on game days....

Pioli said yesterday on St. John's show that Crennel will be a supervisor of the coaches, but who the coaches are will be Crennel's decision.

I imagine Pioli will say the same thing on Fescoe's show this morning.

The Bad Guy
01-11-2012, 06:23 AM
There isn't? Clements? Daboll's offenses have always ranked in the bottom half of the league.

Just how is Clements a homerun hire?

He hasn't even interviewed one spot besides PSU this year.

htismaqe
01-11-2012, 06:52 AM
I'd rather have Hue than Koetter or Zorn or Daboll.

dirk digler
01-11-2012, 07:20 AM
My guess is Carthon

PGM
01-11-2012, 08:34 AM
At the end of the day, I don't really think it makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.

If you have talent on the unit you're in charge of, you'll be successful.

If you don't, you won't.

See Al Saunders.

:clap:

Molitoth
01-11-2012, 08:38 AM
I'd like to have Saunders or Jackson,... but I'll be damned if ANYONE isn't better to have here than Bill Muir. Get this bastard off the payroll asap!

Lzen
01-11-2012, 08:40 AM
I think Saunders was able to work wonders with very little. Our WR's were $3it back then and he managed to funnel production through Gonzo and Holmes...

Saunders had a future HOF TE, a great QB (in that system), a great RB, and a great OL (including 2 future HOFers). And let's not forget TRich's production during those years. And Kennison was a 1st round draft choice that finally was able to blossom under that system. I liked Saunders as OC, but let's not act like he didn't have talent.

philfree
01-11-2012, 08:57 AM
Saunders had a future HOF TE, a great QB (in that system), a great RB, and a great OL (including 2 future HOFers). And let's not forget TRich's production during those years. And Kennison was a 1st round draft choice that finally was able to blossom under that system. I liked Saunders as OC, but let's not act like he didn't have talent.

Everbody forgets about Jason Dunn. He was a big part of DVs offenses in KC.

FringeNC
01-11-2012, 09:00 AM
I wonder if the lack of progress on the OC front means we know who we are going to hire, but they are on a playoff team.

Chief Roundup
01-11-2012, 09:01 AM
Saunders had a future HOF TE, a great QB (in that system), a great RB, and a great OL (including 2 future HOFers). And let's not forget TRich's production during those years. And Kennison was a 1st round draft choice that finally was able to blossom under that system. I liked Saunders as OC, but let's not act like he didn't have talent.

There might be more than 2 on that OLine. Roaf, Shields, Wiegman, doubtful but maybe Waters.

milkman
01-11-2012, 09:13 AM
There might be more than 2 on that OLine. Roaf, Shields, Wiegman, doubtful but maybe Waters.

I highly doubt that Wiegman goes into the hall.

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 09:35 AM
Just how is Clements a homerun hire?

He hasn't even interviewed one spot besides PSU this year.

Top 10 offense in Buffalo & Coached Rodgers & Flynn.

How do you know? PSU that's a pretty good interview.

The Bad Guy
01-11-2012, 09:52 AM
Top 10 offense in Buffalo & Coached Rodgers & Flynn.

How do you know? PSU that's a pretty good interview.

You show me one other job that he's interviewed for in the NFL.

PSU? Really? 10 months ago, that was a good interview. Clements was also begging for the job.

Look, he mgiht turn out to be a good coach, but the odds are, he's going to stay as the Packers QB coach.

If he's a homerun, we've moved those fences in quite a bit.

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 09:56 AM
You show me one other job that he's interviewed for in the NFL.

PSU? Really? 10 months ago, that was a good interview. Clements was also begging for the job.

Look, he mgiht turn out to be a good coach, but the odds are, he's going to stay as the Packers QB coach.

If he's a homerun, we've moved those fences in quite a bit.

His record compared to a guy like Zorn or Daboll though? It's not even close who's the better candidate IMO. Honestly are you excited about this coaching staff? I'd be willing to bet they won't win a playoff game.

Shox
01-11-2012, 10:37 AM
It amazes me when teams go after an OC who has HOF type QBs. I could be a great OC if I had Brady, Bress, or Rodgers as my QB. Let's see what play should we run here.....maybe a pass. Let's try that one.....picture me throwing a dart.

Rodgers drops back...pass complete to Jennings, he makes move on the defender, runs through a tackle at the 25, to the 20, 15, 10, TOUCHDOWN. Man I'm an amazing OC.

I would much rather have a guy who has proven to have successful offenses with QBs who are not elite. They may not be elite offenses because they have not had elite talent, but they know how to get production from an offensive unit. There are usually only about 3-4 elite QBs in the league at any one time. The other 28+ teams have to figure out how to get it done with a good QB and a good offensive unit. This is where you need a good OC and this is where most NFL teams live year after year.

Mr. Arrowhead
01-11-2012, 10:45 AM
Lets just hope the Colts release peyton, and we can just have him be our OC and our QB at the same time at the 2 for 1 price rate. I bet Clark likes that idea

The Bad Guy
01-11-2012, 11:02 AM
His record compared to a guy like Zorn or Daboll though? It's not even close who's the better candidate IMO. Honestly are you excited about this coaching staff? I'd be willing to bet they won't win a playoff game.

I don't even know who's going to be on the staff yet so how in the hell could I express my happiness or discontent with it?

John Fox just won a playoff game with Tim Tebow and I thought he was a terrible HC choice last year. Way to premature to even discuss that when the entire staff isn't finalized.

Micjones
01-11-2012, 11:12 AM
Brad Childress or Mike Sherman anybody?

htismaqe
01-11-2012, 11:35 AM
Brad Childress or Mike Sherman anybody?

No and no.

Micjones
01-11-2012, 11:36 AM
No and no.

Why?

Frankie
01-11-2012, 11:39 AM
I wonder if the lack of progress on the OC front means we know who we are going to hire, but they are on a playoff team.I have been thinking/hoping the same thing. I'm definitely rooting against the Packers and the Saints this weekend.

John Fox just won a playoff game with Tim Tebow and I thought he was a terrible HC choice last year.He was. But none of counted on the Lord to interfere in the games.

SNR
01-11-2012, 11:50 AM
Why?Because I don't want AIDS