Sandbox Football League 2: Discussion Thread

[Rain Man]

This thread is to separate you from those amateurs in League 1.

If you don't mind, introduce yourself (user name) and your team name and I'll put them in this post so everyone knows which teams are which.

From this point on, make your roster comments, trading block announcements, and other stuff in this thread. And good luck in the 2012 season!


Andchiefs - Seattle Undertakers
brorth - Corona Lights
Dartgod - Provo Lone Wolf Pack
dtforever - Rancho Cucamonga RedRage
bevischief - Lubbock Knuckle draggers
Rain Man (babysitting) - St. Louis Spiders (tentatively claimed by crazycoffey once the paperwork gets done)
Rain Man (babysitting) - Anchorage Eskimos
Rain Man (babysitting) - Columbia KC Hood Starz
Rain Man (babysitting) - Independence Jokers
Stanley Nickels - Round Rock TambaTornado
Fat Elvis - Aurora Borealis
MagicHef - Fort Collins Horseteeth
shorman - KC Fubar
AndChiefs - Seattle Undertakers

I'm babysitting the teams that were abandoned during the draft, but will keep the last one that's not claimed as new owners come in.

[AndChiefs]

<------Seattle Undertakers

[brorth]

<------Corona Lights
(I didn't know the name of Rain Man's bidness until I saw the email this morning, now I feel like a fanboi)

[Dartgod]

I am The Provo Lone Wolf Pack. The franchise with the most creative team name in ANY league. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

[dtforever]

Rancho Cucamonga RedRage checking in.

[bevischief]

Lubbock Knuckle draggers

[Rain Man]

<------Corona Lights
(I didn't know the name of Rain Man's bidness until I saw the email this morning, now I feel like a fanboi)

You're going to win the championship. I can just feel it.

[Fat Elvis]

<-----Aurora Borealis (so much for lighting up the sky with Manning out all year, but helllloooo Andrew Luck/RG3).

[Rain Man]

Round Rock's Roster and Initial Depth Chart


Looking at my team, here's what I need and what I have for trade bait. I'm looking up players' starts and games played on pro football reference to see where I have depth and needs.

Overall, this team fared very well this year in terms of injuries. Our only real problem area is DT and the fact that we drafted inconsistently between a 3-4 and 4-3 D.


Trade bait:

Some spot starters at HB - Maurice Morris and Stephen Ridley

WR - Donald Driver, Titus Young, Mohammad Massaquoi, and Armanti Edwards are all viable players.

G - I have six guards who started or got good playing time. All are available except Brandon Moore.

For 3-4 D's, I can trade Chris Kelsay (OLB) and B.J. Raji (NT) and Stephen Bowen (DE), all good starters, but need a 4-3 DT and 4-3 DE in return.

Alternately, I can trade Kamerion Wimbley (OLB) and Andre Carter (DE) to a 4-3 D, but would need back a 3-4 ILB and 3-4 DE.



My needs

Starting fullback

Backup at LT, RT, and C

Starting punter

Maybe an upgrade at SS

Third CB or upgrade my starters

Starting DE and 2 DTs for a 4-3, OR starting ILB and DE for a 3-4.




Tony Romo QB
Kerry Collins QB
Tyler Thigpen QB

Strong here, and healthy.

Michael Turner HB
Kevin Smith HB
Maurice Morris HB
Ronnie Brown HB
Stevan Ridley HB

Not much depth, but Turner's a workhorse for us.

Tony Fiammetta FB
Madison Hedgecock FB

Might be a little light here as Fiametta only played in 10 games and Hedgecock is a goner.

Steve Johnson WR
Brandon LaFell WR
Donald Driver WR
Titus Young WR
Armanti Edwards WR
Mohamed Massaquoi WR

Have a ton of depth here.

Jeremy Shockey TE
Dave Thomas TE
Tony Moeaki TE

Shockey stepped up when Moeaki went down.

Rodger Saffold LT
Jamon Meredith LT

Got hit by injuries here. Need a backup.

Erik Pears RT

Not much depth, but have the starting position covered.

Brandon Moore G
Vernon Carey G
Chris Williams G
Stefen Wisniewski G
Chris Chester G
William Rackley G

Tons of depth here if anyone needs help. Tons of it. Every one of these guys has a lot of starts.

Eugene Amano C

Got it covered, and Rackley is our backup.

Phil Dawson K

Good shape here.

Reggie Hodges P

Strikeout. I need a punter.

Jairus Byrd FS
Madieu Williams FS

Pretty good shape here with not much depth.

Steve Gregory SS
Melvin Bullitt SS

Covered for most of the season, but have no coverage the last few games.


Sheldon Brown CB
Kareem Jackson CB
Marcus Trufant CB
D.J. Moore CB
Demarcus Van Dyke CB
Brandon Hogan CB

Got a couple of starters and some depth. Could use an upgrade, but generally okay.

Shaun Phillips OLB (3-4)
Kamerion Wimbley OLB
Chris Kelsay OLB (3-4)
Danny Clark OLB

No depth and will have some injury problems. Might need a backup.

Stephen Tulloch MLB
Dhani Jones MLB

Tulloch has me covered if we go 4-3, but Jones is retired.

Andre Carter DE
Stephen Bowen DE (3-4 DE)
Ray Edwards DE
Austen Lane DE
Raheem Brock DE

My DEs may be better suited for a 4-3, which is problematic. Might have to swing some deals to go one way or the other.

B.J. Raji NT
Kyle Williams NT
Pat Sims DT
Nick Hayden DT
Marvin Austin DT

This is trouble. Williams went down with an injury early, so I've got Raji and backups, and barely that. Need a starter here.

[Rain Man]

Columbia KC Hood Starz

Trade Bait:

Got Joshua Cribbs or Davone Bess at WR.

Shiancoe and Leonard Pope at TE.

Sam Baker at LT, for at least a partial season.

George Wilson at SS or maybe FS.

Could probably let Terrance Knighton go at DT if we got value back.


Team Needs:

Need a FB.

Need a RT.

Maybe a stopgap FS, but not vital.

Desperate for an OLB (4-3).

Someone to finish out the season at MLB.

Need a 4-3 DE.

Ryan Fitzpatrick QB
Todd Collins QB
Troy Smith QB

We'll give Fitzpatrick a long-term deal.

Steven Jackson HB
Pierre Thomas HB
Leon Washington HB
Brian Westbrook HB

Good here. Good starter, good backup, good third-down back.

Moran Norris FB
Ovie Mughelli FB

Not sure I can cobble a full fullback out of two injury cases.

Wes Welker WR
Vincent Jackson WR
Davone Bess WR
Joshua Cribbs WR
Sammie Stroughter WR

Love the receivers on this team. Quantity and quality.

Visanthe Shiancoe TE
Leonard Pope TE
Lance Kendricks TE

Got three starters here. Golden.

Jordan Gross LT
Sam Baker LT

Good here. Very good.

Corey Hilliard RT
Sean Locklear RT

Trouble here. Need a starter.

Jahri Evans G
Kraig Urbik G
Derrick Dockery G
Ben Ijalana G

Good here. Not much depth, but good.

Jonathan Goodwin C
Shaun O'Hara C

Good here. O'Hara is hurt, but Goodwin is good.

Mike Nugent K

Happy here.

Sam Koch P

Happy here, too.

Jim Leonhard FS
C.C. Brown FS
Chris D. Clemons FS

Not covered the whole season, but generally okay.

Adrian Wilson SS
George Wilson SS
Jon McGraw SS

Pretty strong here. McGraw got hurt, but the Wilson boys are iron.

Quentin Jammer CB
Andre' Goodman CB
Jacob Lacey CB
Kelvin Hayden CB
Shareece Wright CB
Chris Culliver CB

Reasonably strong here. Two full-time starters and a couple of backups. Lacey also started half the season.

Julian Peterson OLB
Daryl Smith OLB
Bryan Thomas OLB
Gabe Miller OLB

One starter and backups. Send help.

Jonathan Vilma MLB
Zak DeOssie ILB
Lance Laury ILB
Tim Dobbins ILB

Vilma would be fine if he'd finished the season. Need a little late-season help at MLB.

Will Smith DE
George Selvie DE
Matt Shaughnessy DE
Jimmy Wilkerson DE

Major trouble here. Not much after Will Smith.

Tommy Kelly DT
Terrance Knighton DT
Terrell McClain DT
Stephen Paea DT

Nice strong depth here. I like this group.

[Rain Man]

Anchorage Eskimos

Trade Bait:

I have 3/4ths of an extra LT. Could trade either Johnson or Okung.

Todd Herremans is a good RT.

Chris Spencer is available at C.

Israel Idonije is a good 4-3 DE.

Matt Toeaina and Leger Douzable are potential DTs for someone.

Also, I could trade Vince Wilfork and/or Muhammad Wilkerson for a 4-3 DT or other talent, but it'd better be a really good one.

Team Needs:

Wouldn't mind upgrading at QB.

Need a FB

Could use a #1 WR.

Could use an upgrade at punter.

Desperately need a FS.

Stopgap CB.

Need an OLB (4-3)

Colt McCoy QB
Jason Campbell QB
Greg McElroy QB

Um...Colt. Colt's our starter.

LeSean McCoy HB
Jason Snelling HB
Isaac Redman HB
Mikel Leshoure HB

Fine here. Move along.

Lousaka Polite FB
Reagan Mauia FB

Not much here. Need help.

Andre Roberts WR
Vincent Brown WR
Devin Hester WR
Hines Ward WR
Jacoby Ford WR
Terrell Owens WR

An odd group. Lots of speed, lots of injuries. And Andre Roberts is our #1.

Vernon Davis TE
Zach Miller TE
John Carlson TE

Not much depth due to injuries, but we're fine at starter.

Russell Okung LT
Charlie Johnson LT

Good shape here with two legit starters.

David Stewart RT
Todd Herremans RT
Jordan Black RT

Black's out of the league, but Stewart is good and Herreman is a starter.

Chris Snee G
Jacob Bell G
Jason Spitz C
Daniel Loper G

Good starters, but need some injury replacements.

Dominic Raiola C
Chris Spencer C

This works.

Jay Feely K
Garrett Hartley K

Feely steps in to replace the injured guy.

Matt Turk P

Barely stayed in the league. Might want some help.

Nick Collins FS

Boom. IR after two games. I need a body.

Charles Godfrey SS
Craig Dahl SS

Okay here.

Mike Jenkins CB
A.J. Jefferson CB
Benny Sapp CB
Leigh Bodden CB
Shawntae Spencer CB

Injury riddled. We can survive, but could use help.

Jarret Johnson OLB
Na'il Diggs OLB
Titus Brown OLB
Bruce Carter OLB

Need another starter. That's all there is to it.

Ray Lewis MLB
Nate Irving ILB

Got some injury problems, but the stabber is around most of the year.


Robert Mathis DE
Jabaal Sheard DE
Israel Idonije DE
Stylez G. White DE

We're golden here. Three guys with pass rush skills.

Vince Wilfork NT
Muhammad Wilkerson DT
Matt Toeaina DT
Leger Douzable DT
C.J. Mosley DT
Junior Siavii DT
Tony Brown DT

[Rain Man]

Independence Jokers

Trade Bait:

I could trade Michael Bush to someone needing a stopgap HB.

DeCoud at FS

Deon Grant as a partial-year guy (injury).

Paris Lenon is available at ILB.

I have two 3-4 ends I could trade - Dwan Edwards and Ryan Pickett.

I'm stacked at DT. Make me an offer for Corey Peter, Remi Ayodele, or Shaun Cody.




Team Needs:

A one-year QB would be good.

Need a FB.

Wouldn't mind a third receiver.

Wouldn't mind upgrading at LT.

Need a K.





Christian Ponder QB
Donovan McNabb QB
Kyle Boller QB

Well...going with the rookie. Let's see how it goes.

Michael Bush HB
Shonn Greene HB
Kendall Hunter HB
Alex Green HB

Not sure if Bush or Greene will start, but we're in good shape.

Jerome Felton FB
Heath Evans FB

Could use an upgrade here.

Larry Fitzgerald WR
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR
Ramses Barden WR
Niles Paul WR

We have size, speed, and great hands. And four other receivers behind him.

Dallas Clark TE
Kellen Davis TE
Kyle Rudolph TE

Pretty good group here. Veteran, goal line guy, and promising rookie.

J'Marcus Webb LT
Gabe Carimi LT

Webb is fine, kind of. What happened to Carimi?

Khalif Barnes RT
Lydon Murtha RT

Fine here.

Jason Pinkston G
Richie Incognito G
Kory Lichtensteiger G
Leonard Davis G

Couple of starters and an injured Lichtensteiger. We'll be fine.


Roberto Garza C
Mike McGlynn C

Garza's got it under control.

Joe Nedney K

Oops. Need a kicker.

Donnie Jones P

All is well.

Dashon Goldson FS
Thomas DeCoud FS

Two good starters here.

Sean Jones SS
Deon Grant SS

Good shape here. Two starters, though one was hurt for a while.

Cortland Finnegan CB
Josh Wilson CB
Tracy Porter CB
Travis Daniels CB
William James CB

Great shape here with three starters and a good backup with Daniels.

Tamba Hali OLB
Erik Walden OLB
Mike Peterson OLB
Thomas Davis OLB
Frank Zombo OLB

Okay on the starters here, and reasonable backups.

London Fletcher-Baker ILB
Paris Lenon ILB

Two good starters.

Robert Geathers DE
Dwan Edwards DE
Ryan Pickett DE
Dave Tollefson DE
Jamaal Anderson DE
Darryl Tapp DE
Trevor Scott DE
Gerard Warren DE

Three starters and a few pass-rushers. Lots of bodies here.

Kevin Williams DT
Henry Melton DT
Corey Peters DT
Remi Ayodele DT
Shaun Cody DT

Wow. I have five starters here who are strong. Offer me a deal.

[MagicHef]

Fort Collins Horseteeth here.

[Fat Elvis]

I am so far beyond screwed it isn't even funny.

[Rain Man]

I am so far beyond screwed it isn't even funny.

It's amazing how hard it is to put together a strong team, and we only have 24 teams competing.

[brorth]

Thought that I would put it in here that The Lights are looking for a twenty six year old or younger, definitive number one wide receiver. 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns required. Make offer.

[Rain Man]

Thought that I would put it in here that The Lights are looking for a twenty six year old or younger, definitive number one wide receiver. 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns required. Make offer.


Columbia is willing to listen to offers for Vincent Jackson. Scroll down to see our team needs.

[brorth]

Columbia is willing to listen to offers for Vincent Jackson. Scroll down to see our team needs.

I think I can help in two or three areas of need for Columbia, but will need warm bodies in those positions in return. I'm sure we can find a workable solution.

[Old Dog]

Pomona Platypi

QB: J. Freeman, A. Dalton, L. McCown
RB: A. Bradshaw, J. Starks, A. Dixon, D. Brown
FB: J. Kuhn
TE: G. Olsen, J. Cook
WR: S. Rice, P. Garcon, S. Smith(Phi), M. Spurlock, R. Moss, K. Durham, J. Jernigan, B. Obomanu
LT: J. Long, J. Bushrod
LG: D. College, D. Lutui
C: Maurkice Pouncey, J. Zuttah
RG: H. Blalock, J. Scott
RT: J. Otah, A. Davis

NT/DT: P. Soliai, R. Miller, G. Gibson
DT/DE: T. Jackson, C. Liuget, D. Peko, S. Fua, M. Neal
OLB: M. Kiwanuka, D. Moch, N. Roach, G. Hayes, Q. Groves
ILB: J. Beason*, D'Qwell Jackson, K. Morrison, J. Goff, H.B. Blades
S: B. Meriweather, D. Landry, M. Griffin, S. Brown
CB: B. Carr, J. Joseph, P. Peterson, C. Cook, T. Jennings

K: N. Kaeding*
P: M. McBriar
KR/PR: P. Petereson

* IR

Not really happy with my LB corps with Beason out, and there are no extra kickers, so I'm SOL there, but otherwise I think I'm fairly solid, especially with the O-line and the back four of the defense

[Fat Elvis]

FWIW, I didn't draft a punter. I would like to go through the season without punting. Just to see what happens.

[cdcox]

FWIW, I didn't draft a punter. I would like to go through the season without punting. Just to see what happens.

You'll have that option. :evil:

[shorman22]

KC fubar

[shorman22]

I need a QB

[AndChiefs]

Man my offense mostly sucks.

Seattle Undertakers:

Offense:

QB: Joe Flacco, Colin Kaepernick, Charlie Whitehurst
HB: Arian Foster, Mike Tolbert, Montario Hardesty, Steve Slaton
FB: Dan Skuta
TE: Jason Witten, Ben Watson, Andrew Quarless
WR: Eddie Royal, Lance Moore, Chaz Schilens, Derek Hagan, Marc Mariani, Randall Cobb, Robert Meachem
LT: Andrew Whitworth, Chris Hairston, Rashad Butler, Tyler Polumbus
G: Daniel Kilgore, Keith Williams, Eric Wood, Tyronne Green, Will Montgomery
C: Jason Kelce, Lyle Sendlein
RT: Ryan Harris

Defense:

NT: Sione Pouha, Aubrayo Franklin, Anthony Toribio
DE: Cliff Avril, Alex Brown, Antwan Barnes, Calais Campbell
OLB: Cameron Wake, Arthur Moats, Cory Greenwood, Manny Lawson, Rob Ninkovich
ILB: Navorro Bowman, Brandon Spikes, Desmond Bishop
FS: Major Wright, Reshad Jones
SS: Courtney Greene, Haruki Nakamura, Tyvon Branch
CB: Darrelle Revis, Kyle Wilson, Jordan Pugh, Charles Tillman, Prince Amakumara

Special Teams:

K: Matt Bryant
P: Dustin Colquitt
KR/PR: Marc Mariani

[brorth]

Corona Lights
Offense (Starters Bold)
LT: Duane Brown, Eugene Monroe
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Wade Smith, Jason Brown
RG: Rob Sims
RT: Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Joe Barksdale
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Dustin Keller
QB: Matt Stafford, Cam Newton
HB: Matt Forte, Roy Helu, Jerious Norwood
FB: Jacob Hester, Owen Schmitt
WR: Plaxico Burress, Mike Williams, Devon Aromashodu, Brandon Gibson, Greg Salas, Brian Robiskie

Defense 4-3 (Starters Bold)(3-4 Starters in Italics)(+ = Nickel , * = Dime)
LDE: Ray McDonald, Derrick Morgan, Michael Bennett
LDT: Ndamukong Suh, Frank Okam
RDT: Tyson Alualu, (Gerald McCoy, IR)
RDE: Chris Long, Everson Griffen, Antwan Applewhite, Sergio Kindle
WLB: Connor Barwin, Erin Henderson, Ernie Sims
MLB: Patrick Willis, Donald Butler
SLB: Pat Angerer, Brady Poppinga, Travis LaBoy, Casey Matthews
RCB: Kyle Arrington, *Cary Williams, (Terrell Thomas, IR)
LCB: Lardarius Webb, +Vontae Davis, Leodis McKelvin, (Roc Carmichael, IR)
FS: Glover Quin, Jarrad Page
SS: Kenny Phillips, Taylor Mays
K: Mason Crosby
P: Michael Koenen
KR: Jerious Norwood
PR: Lardarius Webb

* Subject to change based on getting an idea of how to manipulate the mapping system to get the most potential out each player.

[Rain Man]

Achoo! (wiping nose) (bump).

Whew. Sorry about that. Had to sneeze.

[Rain Man]

The St. Louis Spiders have the following to offer:

FS Kendrick Lewis (need a SS in return)
LT Bryant McKinnie
Either HB Adrian Peterson or HB Maurice Jones-Drew

In return we need:

Starting WR
Upgrade over Kyle Orton at QB
Wouldn't mind an upgrade at DE

[Rain Man]

The Columbia KC Starz Hood can offer ....

Pierre Thomas to a team that needs a HB
Terrance Knighton at DT
Quentin Jammer at CB

We need...

Outside linebacker
Right tackle

[Rain Man]

The Anchorage Eskimos can offer...

Todd Herremans, a very good right tackle
Chris Spencer, a decent guard
Isaac Redmon if someone is in big trouble at HB
Israel Idonije as a good starting DE
Leger Douzable is a decent starting DE

...and we need....

outside linebacker
upgrade at LT (not vital)
upgrade at QB (not vital)

[Rain Man]

The Independence Jokers can offer...

Kellen Davis, reasonable starting TE
Michael Bush if someone needs a stopgap HB
Remi Ayodele, a good DT/NT
Shaun Cody, a good NT
Jamaal Anderson, a DE with potential
Paris Lenon, a good ILB
Dashon Goldson, a very good FS

...and need...

a good 4-3 DE
wouldn't mind an upgrade at LT (not vital)
stopgap QB (not vital)
fourth WR (not vital)
wouldn't mind an upgrade at SS

[Rain Man]

Okay, since I'm just babysitting these teams I'm going to make a big trade that helps two of them.

Anchorage is sending to Independence:

Robert Mathis
Muhammad Wilkerson
Craig Dahl

Independence is sending to Anchorage:

Shaun Cody
Paris Lenon
Dashon Goldson
Darryl Tapp

Independence is happy because they get two good starters at defensive end, and a backup at FS

Anchorage is happy because they upgrade at DT, get a stopgap starter at OLB, get a good starter at FS, and a situational pass rusher.

[brorth]

The St. Louis Spiders have the following to offer:

FS Kendrick Lewis (need a SS in return)
LT Bryant McKinnie
Either HB Adrian Peterson or HB Maurice Jones-Drew

In return we need:

Starting WR
Upgrade over Kyle Orton at QB
Wouldn't mind an upgrade at DE

Trade proposed.

[Rain Man]

Trade proposed.

Dang. I didn't see this and we're now in a no-trade zone. Stay in touch.

[brorth]

No problemo. One less QB to face.

[Rain Man]

Don't look now, but the team that is tied for the best record in the league has Colt McCoy running at quarterback. He's having a great season.

[Rain Man]

Big changes coming up for Independence. Struggling rookie QB Christian Ponder is going to sit down for a while, and Donovan McNabb is going to step in as the starter.

[Rain Man]

Anchorage is running without David Steward at RT and Devin Hester returning kicks this week. We don't like that. And Ray Lewis is still out. I think he got stabbed or something.

[Rain Man]

Independence has been pretty healthy this year. We lost RT Gabe Carimi for the year early on, and Dallas Clark has been in and out, but otherwise we're healthy.

[Rain Man]

Columbia has been nailed consistently by defensive backfield injuries, but we're fortunate to have a ton of depth in that area. At MLB, we're on our third stringer now. Ouch.

[Rain Man]

St. Louis just lost Adrian Peterson, though oddly it looks like he will make a heroic comeback in four weeks.

[Dartgod]

I thought I had a solid team with a great receiving corp. But Roethlisberger has been less than stellar, with almost as many INTs as TDs (12/11) and a 77.9 QB rating.

So I decided to put Rex Grossman in for a game to see if he made any difference. He did, but in a bad way.

23 of 41 for 210 yards and 2 ints, zero TDs.

The Provo Lone Wolf Pack will be sticking with Roethlisberger for the rest of the season.

[Rain Man]

I thought I had a solid team with a great receiving corp. But Roethlisberger has been less than stellar, with almost as many INTs as TDs (12/11) and a 77.9 QB rating.

So I decided to put Rex Grossman in for a game to see if he made any difference. He did, but in a bad way.

23 of 41 for 210 yards and 2 ints, zero TDs.

The Provo Lone Wolf Pack will be sticking with Roethlisberger for the rest of the season.

Independence tried a similar experiment, bringing Donovan McNabb in to pitch relief for a shell-shocked Christian Palmer, with similar results. We may give McNabb another game or two to see what happens. Independence did win, but it was a hot and cold performance for McNabb.

[topher79]

McNabb is making Newton look like Ryan Leaf in the other league.

[Rain Man]

McNabb is making Newton look like Ryan Leaf in the other league.

He's marginally better than Christian Ponder right now, but with only two starts there's not much data. Independence is winning behind him, though, so he'll stay in. Ponder will learn on the bench for a while.