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Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 03:35 PM
http://www.pitch.com/kansascity/americas-pub-closing-2012/Content?oid=2740718

Bowser
01-11-2012, 03:50 PM
I'm getting old. America's Pub wasn't a problem in my Westport days. I remember the kid dying there, though.


I wouldn't be suprised to see A'sP end up north of the river. There is literally no night life north of the river.

Micjones
01-11-2012, 04:05 PM
Prior to that event, cries that Westport was unsafe largely came from white people in the suburbs who read something in the police blotter or saw some thuggish-looking people the last time they were at Kelly's after a Big 12 game. Nobody takes those people seriously they're afraid of everything.

Basically.

|Zach|
01-11-2012, 04:11 PM
Westport wasn't unsafe in the first place.

Short Leash Hootie
01-11-2012, 04:13 PM
Westport wasn't unsafe in the first place.

yeah, I've been there a ton of times and have never had a single issue

Fish
01-11-2012, 04:15 PM
By "unsafe" they mean "black folks visible"...

The author sounds more than a little terrified of blacks.

Buck
01-11-2012, 04:16 PM
yeah, I've been there a ton of times and have never had a single issue

I bet you weren't wearing your Chiefs gear though.

Short Leash Hootie
01-11-2012, 04:17 PM
I bet you weren't wearing your Chiefs gear though.

what does that even mean?

Short Leash Hootie
01-11-2012, 04:17 PM
By "unsafe" they mean "black folks visible"...

The author sounds more than a little terrified of blacks.

lol

|Zach|
01-11-2012, 04:20 PM
I bet you weren't wearing your Chiefs gear though.

I wear Chiefs gear there alll the time. Don't act like you know shit about the midwest.

Buck
01-11-2012, 04:22 PM
Cross thread humor, nerds.

chasedude
01-11-2012, 04:22 PM
Meh... The place was a shithole, I won't miss it.

SPchief
01-11-2012, 04:22 PM
lol

nice edit

suds79
01-11-2012, 04:22 PM
By "unsafe" they mean "black folks visible"...

The author sounds more than a little terrified of blacks.

Just a side note, the author also can't stand the NBA. :p

Demonpenz
01-11-2012, 04:33 PM
Westport during the day creeps me out when there is no one around.

KCUnited
01-11-2012, 04:37 PM
I get my haircut across the street from AP. I'm going to miss that Saturday morning walk of shame when Becky from the burbs is walking to her car from getting dropped off.

Micjones
01-11-2012, 04:39 PM
I get my haircut across the street from AP. I'm going to miss that Saturday morning walk of shame when Becky from the burbs is walking to her car from getting dropped off.

LMAO

Saul Good
01-11-2012, 04:59 PM
I get my haircut across the street from AP. I'm going to miss that Saturday morning walk of shame when Becky from the burbs is walking to her car from getting dropped off.

Footlights?

KCUnited
01-11-2012, 05:14 PM
Footlights?

Barbers of Westport

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 06:23 PM
Westport wasn't unsafe in the first place.

Amerikas Pub was.

JASONSAUTO
01-11-2012, 06:47 PM
Amerikas Pub was.

Been there many times. Never had an issue
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kstater
01-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Been there many times. Never had an issue
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Billay's the surburbanite in the article.

JASONSAUTO
01-11-2012, 06:50 PM
Billay's the surburbanite in the article.

Probably. Suburbanite is probably too nice though.
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Stanley Nickels
01-11-2012, 06:57 PM
The author, even though he's less-than-vague about the racist attitudes that keep people away from Westport, is right.

Kansas City is one of the least-integrated cities I've ever been to. Hell, go 200 miles east to St. Louis. It's not exactly a melting pot, but good and bad neighborhoods, predominantly black and predominantly white areas, urban and suburban, seem to "mesh" much more compared to KC. The white flight (and, more recently, the gentrification of the less-black areas of KC proper) has played a huge role in how this city treats race relations. The black folks around Westport scare the JoCo crowd who, for right or wrong, attribute blackness with violent crime. Simply creating a mindset that Westport is "safer" could draw more affluent clientele to the district. I'm sure Kelly's, Pete's (I think that's its name?), and McCoy's aren't too upset at the prospect of losing a competitor and gaining traffic and revenue.

Valiant
01-11-2012, 07:09 PM
The author, even though he's less-than-vague about the racist attitudes that keep people away from Westport, is right.

Kansas City is one of the least-integrated cities I've ever been to. Hell, go 200 miles east to St. Louis. It's not exactly a melting pot, but good and bad neighborhoods, predominantly black and predominantly white areas, urban and suburban, seem to "mesh" much more compared to KC. The white flight (and, more recently, the gentrification of the less-black areas of KC proper) has played a huge role in how this city treats race relations. The black folks around Westport scare the JoCo crowd who, for right or wrong, attribute blackness with violent crime. Simply creating a mindset that Westport is "safer" could draw more affluent clientele to the district. I'm sure Kelly's, Pete's (I think that's its name?), and McCoy's aren't too upset at the prospect of losing a competitor and gaining traffic and revenue.

Besides a few people watching sports.. I don't see them gaining any clientele from America's Pub..

I have never had a problem with Westport.. Even in America's Pub there was no main problems.. I do wonder what place is going to gain the former clientele.. The NV/NRG/what ever else named nightclub will never open even with new owners(pitch I believe did an article on them)..

The northland just has Brewtop and hole in the walls.. Though I heard a namebrand bar is going to move into O'Dowds old spot, but most people hate going into Zona to drink..

Bowser
01-11-2012, 07:21 PM
I didn't even know Odowd's was shut down. Obviously I need to get out more often.

suzzer99
01-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Stone Spirit Lodge closed? Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 07:39 PM
Probably. Suburbanite is probably too nice though.
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Not all of us traveled from Warsaw, Missouri to score meth.

Deberg_1990
01-11-2012, 07:43 PM
Kansas City is one of the least-integrated cities I've ever been to. .

I would have to agree with this. Even though i dont live there anymore, ive lived in several other large cities around the US and KC was the least integrated of them all. I have no idea why this is.

PunkinDrublic
01-11-2012, 07:44 PM
The author, even though he's less-than-vague about the racist attitudes that keep people away from Westport, is right.

Kansas City is one of the least-integrated cities I've ever been to. Hell, go 200 miles east to St. Louis. It's not exactly a melting pot, but good and bad neighborhoods, predominantly black and predominantly white areas, urban and suburban, seem to "mesh" much more compared to KC. The white flight (and, more recently, the gentrification of the less-black areas of KC proper) has played a huge role in how this city treats race relations. The black folks around Westport scare the JoCo crowd who, for right or wrong, attribute blackness with violent crime. Simply creating a mindset that Westport is "safer" could draw more affluent clientele to the district. I'm sure Kelly's, Pete's (I think that's its name?), and McCoy's aren't too upset at the prospect of losing a competitor and gaining traffic and revenue.

First of all fuck St. Louis. No city should ever try to emulate a city that is consistantly in the top 5 most violent cities in the country. Westport is no different than any other entertainment district in the country. IMO westport isn't even dangerous the multiple times I've been. It's not a racial thing either, in any entertainment district you're going to have some venues that popup that attract violent shitbags.

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 07:47 PM
The author, even though he's less-than-vague about the racist attitudes that keep people away from Westport, is right.

Kansas City is one of the least-integrated cities I've ever been to. Hell, go 200 miles east to St. Louis. It's not exactly a melting pot, but good and bad neighborhoods, predominantly black and predominantly white areas, urban and suburban, seem to "mesh" much more compared to KC. The white flight (and, more recently, the gentrification of the less-black areas of KC proper) has played a huge role in how this city treats race relations. The black folks around Westport scare the JoCo crowd who, for right or wrong, attribute blackness with violent crime. Simply creating a mindset that Westport is "safer" could draw more affluent clientele to the district. I'm sure Kelly's, Pete's (I think that's its name?), and McCoy's aren't too upset at the prospect of losing a competitor and gaining traffic and revenue.

It's not just racism the city tries to create an unfair advantage for PNL even mayor Funkhauser admitted this to me when I asked him. The trolley that runs from PNL to Westport to the Plaza is awesome now they should allow people to be able to carry drinks outside of the bar since Westport is pretty much 1 big bar area.

Valiant
01-11-2012, 07:49 PM
I didn't even know Odowd's was shut down. Obviously I need to get out more often.

Yeah them and Fooleries closed down in the northland..

Valiant
01-11-2012, 07:50 PM
I would have to agree with this. Even though i dont live there anymore, ive lived in several other large cities around the US and KC was the least integrated of them all. I have no idea why this is.

White flight/ bad kc school district/ most jobs not inside of KC core..

Valiant
01-11-2012, 07:51 PM
It's not just racism the city tries to create an unfair advantage for PNL even mayor Funkhauser admitted this to me when I asked him. The trolley that runs from PNL to Westport to the Plaza is awesome now they should allow people to be able to carry drinks outside of the bar since Westport is pretty much 1 big bar area.

Everyone agrees with that except for PnL.. Every entertainment district should be allowed this..

Stanley Nickels
01-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Besides a few people watching sports.. I don't see them gaining any clientele from America's Pub..

No, but they'll gain the clientele who avoided Westport because of AP's crowd. It may not be something you hear a lot about, but I assure you, people avoid Westport sometimes because of its reputation (one that is unfairly negative).

KC_Lee
01-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Westport started dying when The Lone Star and Thirsty's closed.

KC native
01-11-2012, 08:58 PM
Westport wasn't unsafe in the first place.

ROFL @ the pussy who moved out of westport because of the Raytown kids raiding the Plaza.

Chocolate Hog
01-11-2012, 09:02 PM
ROFL @ the pussy who moved out of westport because of the Raytown kids raiding the Plaza.

Shots fired.

QuikSsurfer
01-11-2012, 09:05 PM
I lived in Westport back in 07 and 08.. Never had a single problem.. I miss that pizza place, papakenos (or something like that).

Reaper16
01-11-2012, 11:17 PM
KC's systemic racism goes back to JC Nichols' real estate policies that encouraged significant white flight.

suzzer99
01-11-2012, 11:25 PM
Is the White Haven neighborhood in Overland Park still going strong?

Smed1065
01-11-2012, 11:29 PM
Didn't that robber pornographer leave there? So It makes sense. He got robbed I Huard.

Bump
01-11-2012, 11:58 PM
in places where tons of alcohol is consumed there are gonna be some problems. Westport aint shit. Try parking your car on MLK blvd in New Orleans and getting lost at 3am trying to find it when your shit faced, that was my mardi gras trip and that was a feeling of unsafe and somehow I didn't have a problem.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 01:02 AM
Westport started dying when The Lone Star and Thirsty's closed.

Business in Westport has been pretty fucking good.

Bowser
01-12-2012, 01:04 AM
Business in Westport has been pretty fucking good.

What's the name of the restaurant horizontally across from Kelley's, next to Harpo's? That place is excellent.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 01:08 AM
Amerikas Pub was.

Generally...you only have problems in KC if you are doing something you shouldn't be doing hanging around people you should not be hanging out with. Random violence is quite rare.

According to the KC Police Chief in a vast majority of the homicides the victim and criminal know eachother.

ThatRaceCardGuy
01-12-2012, 07:13 AM
By "unsafe" they mean "black folks visible"...

The author sounds more than a little terrified of blacks.

This

ThatRaceCardGuy
01-12-2012, 07:17 AM
I would have to agree with this. Even though i dont live there anymore, ive lived in several other large cities around the US and KC was the least integrated of them all. I have no idea why this is.

X2

suzzer99
01-12-2012, 08:13 AM
LA is much more integrated than KC. I actually have black friends out here.

JASONSAUTO
01-12-2012, 08:16 AM
Not all of us traveled from Warsaw, Missouri to score meth.

lol if i wanted meth i could get it here, the meth capitol of missouri.

never tried that shit though

jspchief
01-12-2012, 08:43 AM
I'm old enough to remember when AP was a great place to pick up bar sluts. And Atlantis.. is that still there?

Then one year we went to Westport and AP was all black.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 01:21 PM
Generally...you only have problems in KC if you are doing something you shouldn't be doing hanging around people you should not be hanging out with. Random violence is quite rare.

According to the KC Police Chief in a vast majority of the homicides the victim and criminal know eachother.

I go to Westport atleast once a month and i'm also in KCMO. FFS I used to live there. I don't it means you'll get shot but I do however think you have to always be on your toes and there are certain places in that area I'd never walk alone.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 01:22 PM
What's the name of the restaurant horizontally across from Kelley's, next to Harpo's? That place is excellent.

Beer Kitchen?

Demonpenz
01-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Harrys

ChiefFripp
01-12-2012, 03:49 PM
The Pitch's stance:
Black on White crime=not racist.
White Flight= flagrant racism.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 04:44 PM
certain places in that area I'd never walk alone.

Pussy.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 04:48 PM
Pussy.

It's funny you of all people would call someone else a pussy. Yeah it's be smart to walk down Broadway alone at night.

Demonpenz
01-12-2012, 04:52 PM
there are condos that are expensive as fuck for people to walk to PnL on broadway.

Reaper16
01-12-2012, 09:05 PM
It's funny you of all people would call someone else a pussy. Yeah it's be smart to walk down Broadway alone at night.
Broadway? LMAO

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Broadway? LMAO

Yes it's the street where the most crime occurs outside of East Kansas City. I'm guessing you've never walked alone down Broadway from about 39th to 34th. That 5 block area is rather sketchy and does have a lot of robberies.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 09:26 PM
It's funny you of all people would call someone else a pussy. Yeah it's be smart to walk down Broadway alone at night.

No idea what Kansas City you live in. Must be a different one than mine.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 09:28 PM
The Pitch's stance:
Black on White crime=not racist.
White Flight= flagrant racism.

That's the way quite a few people with "white guilt" think. On the other hand, most crimes committed by blacks are against other blacks, and as Zach said, they usually know one another. So the racism of black-on-white crime is probably not mentioned because it's really a rarity (one the Pitch author went out of his way to find, because it supported his story).

I feel a lot less safe walking three blocks to my car at 39th and Booth than I do in Westport. Mostly because I get an e-mail anytime someone gets robbed on the KUMC campus, and it's usually right on my route to get to my car, and usually at the times I walk to my car.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 09:32 PM
No idea what Kansas City you live in. Must be a different one than mine.

You live in the one where you'd like to pretend crime doesn't exist but it certainly does. Compare the number of robberies from the Plaza-Midtown to Overland Park it's not even close.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 09:43 PM
You live in the one where you'd like to pretend crime doesn't exist but it certainly does. Compare the number of robberies from the Plaza-Midtown to Overland Park it's not even close.

That is some ridiculous sideways logic. An affluent suburb has less crime than an urban neighborhood, so therefore the urban neighborhood is dangerous? Compare violent crime in Westport to, say, Detroit. Detroit city-wide has WAY more crime- per capita -than Westport. Must mean Westport's a pretty nice place. I mean, we could factor in things like socio-economic status, racial history, economy and manufacturing collapses, sure... but that would mean you'd have to factor in the reasons why OP has less crime than Westport. By your logic, Westport is a pretty nice area, because it has less crime than some other place.

Got it.

kstater
01-12-2012, 09:44 PM
Best not walk down the street alone in PV.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/30201925/detail.html

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 09:47 PM
You live in the one where you'd like to pretend crime doesn't exist but it certainly does. Compare the number of robberies from the Plaza-Midtown to Overland Park it's not even close.

I am not pretending it doesn't exist.

I am saying because I don't get involved with bad things and people who do bad things the likelyhood of me being involved in bad happenings plummets...not that it doesn't exist.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 09:51 PM
That is some ridiculous sideways logic. An affluent suburb has less crime than an urban neighborhood, so therefore the urban neighborhood is dangerous? Compare violent crime in Westport to, say, Detroit. Detroit city-wide has WAY more crime- per capita -than Westport. Must mean Westport's a pretty nice place. I mean, we could factor in things like socio-economic status, racial history, economy and manufacturing collapses, sure... but that would mean you'd have to factor in the reasons why OP has less crime than Westport. By your logic, Westport is a pretty nice area, because it has less crime than some other place.

Got it.

Yeah theres not much crime in the Westport/Midtown area at all. Do you care to explain or are you even aware that Mayor Funkhouser was going to put patrol on foot in the midtown area to curb crime?

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 09:54 PM
I am not pretending it doesn't exist.

I am saying because I don't get involved with bad things and people who do bad things the likelyhood of me being involved in bad happenings plummets...not that it doesn't exist.

Yeah and my response is you're more of a target walking alone in some areas of Kansas City at night in which you called my a pussy. Which is complete bullshit.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Yeah and my response is you're more of a target walking alone in some areas of Kansas City at night in which you called my a pussy. Which is complete bullshit.

Just calling them like I see them.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 09:58 PM
Just calling them like I see them.

Funny coming from the guy who private messaged me when I said he looked bloated. The irony of all this is you moved from the Plaza/Westport area because of the riots.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:00 PM
Funny coming from the guy who private messaged me when I said he looked bloated. The irony of all this is you moved from the Plaza/Westport area because of the riots.

What? Do you know the reason I moved from plaza\westport? That isn't it at all.

You grasping for straws by drawing out false reasons for the intent of my choice of places to live is great.

Now in fairness. If you were a woman I wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't think women should be walking around those parts alone. But an able bodied guy in his twenties?

Come on.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:03 PM
What? Do you know the reason I moved from plaza\westport? That isn't it at all.

You grasping for straws by drawing out false reasons for the intent of my choice of places to live is great.

Now in fairness. If you were a woman I wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't think women should be walking around those parts alone. But an able bodied guy in his twenties?

Come on.

It's fair to youre more of a target walking alone though no?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:06 PM
It's fair to youre more of a target walking alone though no?

I think I know what you are trying to write here...while you figure out how to make that sentence work tell me...

What led you to believe I moved out of the Westport area because of the alleged violence that happens there?

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:09 PM
I think I know what you are trying to write here...while you figure out how to make that sentence work tell me...

What led you to believe I moved out of the Westport area because of the alleged violence that happens there?

So are you suggesting that all the robberies in midtown occur because people are doing something they shouldn't or because they are walking in big groups? Tell me out of how many robberies reported do you think it was just 1 person alone?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:12 PM
So are you suggesting that all the robberies in midtown occur because people are doing something they shouldn't or because they are walking in big groups? Tell me out of how many robberies reported do you think it was just 1 person alone?

Are those my two options for why I think robberies happen? I choose C. None of the above. Crime is a complicated issue.

So are we just moving past your bullshit statement about my living situation? Or where are we on that?

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:13 PM
Are those my two options for why I think robberies happen? I choose C. None of the above.

So are we just moving past your bullshit statement about my living situation? Or where are we on that?

Zach, I don't give a fuck about your living situation.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:14 PM
Zach, I don't give a **** about your living situation.

You do enough to lie about it.

Hey its ok....we all say stupid shit that we can't back up on Chiefs Planet. Do you want to use your one mulligan per thread on this? You only get one mind you.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:15 PM
You do enough to lie about it.

Hey its ok....we all say stupid shit that we can't back up on Chiefs Planet. Do you want to use your one mulligan per thread on this? You only get one mind you.

How am I lying about it? Someone else said you moved because of it a few pages ago.

So are all the people getting robbed in midtown females?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:20 PM
So are all the people getting robbed in midtown females?

Of course not. We already established I am not pretending crime doesn't happen.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:20 PM
ROFL @ the pussy who moved out of westport because of the Raytown kids raiding the Plaza.

Who?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:21 PM
Bo: ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME NOBODY EVER GETS HURT IN KC????

Zach: lol. no.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:23 PM
Bo: ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME NOBODY EVER GETS HURT IN KC????

Zach: lol. no.

Yeah that's not what I said though. I said parts of Westport are more prone to crime than other places throughout the metro. Broadway from 39th to about 33rd for sure. I wouldn't walk there alone at night.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:27 PM
Yeah that's not what I said though. I said parts of Westport are more prone to crime than other places throughout the metro. Broadway from 39th to about 33rd for sure. I wouldn't walk there alone at night.

I really don't know what else to tell you. I think you are a pussy and I have no qualms walking around that part of midtown or westport.

This whole thing is boring as hell at this point.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:30 PM
I really don't know what else to tell you. I think you are a pussy and I have no qualms walking around that part of midtown or westport.

This whole thing is boring as hell at this point.

Well maybe if a soccer loving camera man has no qualms about it than I am a pussy but I doubt you even walk around that area.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:30 PM
It isn't personal though if my best friend felt that way I would say the same thing and we would probably go and have drinks in Westport and I would walk with him. Of course...my friends wouldn't have a problem walking alone in this god forsaken war zone...or something.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:31 PM
It isn't personal though if my best friend felt that way I would say the same thing and we would probably go and have drinks in Westport and I would walk with him. Of course...my friends wouldn't have a problem walking alone in this god forsaken war zone...or something.

I would have no problem getting a drink with you either but I think calling someone a pussy for being smart is rather stupid. It's not a war zone but it is a hell hole.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:31 PM
Well maybe if a soccer loving camera man has no qualms about it than I am a pussy but I doubt you even walk around that area.

Dude.

I lived at 44th and Jefferson. Right in the middle of the plaza and Westport. Walked to Westport and around that area alllll the tiiimmmeeee to meet people.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:32 PM
I would have no problem getting a drink with you either but I think calling someone a pussy for being smart is rather stupid. It's not a war zone but it is a hell hole.

Drama queen.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 10:34 PM
Midtown and Westport are crime-infested hell-holes?














wut.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:36 PM
I like how Stanley avoided the part that was mentioned about Funkhouser was going to have foot patrols walk midtown. Right that doesn't happen in flourishing areas. Also all those check into cash places and pawn shops don't mean anything either.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:37 PM
I like how Stanley avoided the part that was mentioned about Funkhouser was going to have foot patrols walk midtown. Right that doesn't happen in flourishing areas. Also all those check into cash places and pawn shops don't mean anything either.

Are those like Storm Troppers?

Are we falling back on the smarts of Funkhouser right now?

Is this real life?

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:37 PM
Drama queen.

Eh you're right the boarded up building across from The News Room is beautiful. It's not like fiends don't go there or anything.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:38 PM
Are those like Storm Troppers?

Are we falling back on the smarts of Funkhouser right now?

Is this real life?

Are you bloated?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:39 PM
Are you bloated?

No idea. You are the once that has cried for years over having his picture on here. This isn't my fight its yours.

Don't worry about me though. I will probably perrish in this apocalyptic american midwestern city. You won't have to deal with me anymore.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:40 PM
No idea. You are the once that has cried for years over having his picture on here. This isn't my fight its yours.

Don't worry about me though. I will probably perrish in this apocalyptic american midwestern city. You won't have to deal with me anymore.

Let's hope so it'd be cool if the guys who broke into your place came back and finished the job.

So do you know more than the mayor?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:43 PM
Let's hope so it'd be cool if the guys who broke into your place came back and finished the job.

So do you know more than the mayor?

Probably not...I don't know what foot patrols are. I mean...I know that in TMNT there were foot soldiers.

Is that like more police patrols?

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Probably not...I don't know what foot patrols are. I mean...I know that in TMNT there were foot soldiers.

Is that like more police patrols?

Yes except the patrol the area on foot. They are doing it in the River Market now because of the string of crimes lately.


Serious question why do you Kansas Citians get so offended when outsiders point out how much crime is in the city? You'd think instead of wasting tax dollars on a douchey entertainment district or an arena that doesn't have a team you'd fix your infrastructure.

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:49 PM
Yes except the patrol the area on foot. They are doing it in the River Market now because of the string of crimes lately.


Serious question why do you Kansas Citians get so offended when outsiders point out how much crime is in the city? You'd think instead of wasting tax dollars on a douchey entertainment district or an arena that doesn't have a team you'd fix your infrastructure.

I think the perception of the nature of the crimes are completely distorted.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:50 PM
I think the perception of the nature of the crimes are completely distorted.

How so?

|Zach|
01-12-2012, 10:54 PM
How so?

I have made it quite clear in this thread. And with that...I completely bored and going to bed.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 10:55 PM
I like how Stanley avoided the part that was mentioned about Funkhouser was going to have foot patrols walk midtown. Right that doesn't happen in flourishing areas. Also all those check into cash places and pawn shops don't mean anything either.

Like that time Funkhouser actually DID have patrols in that dangerous black Waldo neighborhood?

You're terrible at this.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 10:56 PM
Like that time Funkhouser actually DID have patrols in that dangerous black Waldo neighborhood?

You're terrible at this.

You trying to pretend there isn't crime in midtown is laughable.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 10:59 PM
You trying to pretend there isn't crime in midtown is laughable.

I'm not at all. There's crime in midtown. More than in Overland Park or Brookside. But it's not a dangerous place because it has more crime than other places. It's not dangerous because a mayor entertained the idea of stepping up foot patrols, when they had an all-out manhunt in a much nicer neighborhood. I'm not denying anything, but I AM refuting your idea that it's a dangerous place because other places have less crime. It's a poor strawman argument.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 11:03 PM
I'm not at all. There's crime in midtown. More than in Overland Park or Brookside. But it's not a dangerous place because it has more crime than other places. It's not dangerous because a mayor entertained the idea of stepping up foot patrols, when they had an all-out manhunt in a different neighborhood. I'm not denying anything, but I AM refuting your idea that it's a dangerous place because other places have less crime. It's a poor strawman argument.

There's several factors that I believe make it not a great area at night (i'm talking about 39th-33rd and Broadway). Being so close to east Kansas City doesn't help you do get some people from there in that area that aren't up to any good. As I mentioned the Liquor stores, Cash Into Check, Pawn places all attract lower income people. I believe the numbers in crime will go down once that big building I forget the name is finally rebuilt and some other improvements are made in the area. You can't deny that parts of midtown were decaying.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 11:12 PM
There's several factors that I believe make it not a great area at night (i'm talking about 39th-33rd and Broadway). Being so close to east Kansas City doesn't help you do get some people from there in that area that aren't up to any good. As I mentioned the Liquor stores, Cash Into Check, Pawn places all attract lower income people. I believe the numbers in crime will go down once that big building I forget the name is finally rebuilt and some other improvements are made in the area. You can't deny that parts of midtown were decaying.

I won't deny it. A friend and I jog through Westport all the time, and have never really felt in danger. I guess a lot of my opinion is from when I lived in Center City Philadelphia. Crackheads on a lot of corners, drunks on others, people randomly yelling.. but it wasn't the ghetto, either. It's just an urban environment. You take the good (culture, food, proximity to sports and airports) with the bad (drugs/booze, etc). And, by many standards, KC is incredibly safe.

That building, though by The News Room... I had no idea how bad it was until my buddy told me it was a crack house for a while. Can't argue that it's an incredibly good thing they cleaned house (no pun intended) there.

Chocolate Hog
01-12-2012, 11:18 PM
I won't deny it. A friend and I jog through Westport all the time, and have never really felt in danger. I guess a lot of my opinion is from when I lived in Center City Philadelphia. Crackheads on a lot of corners, drunks on others, people randomly yelling.. but it wasn't the ghetto, either. It's just an urban environment. You take the good (culture, food, proximity to sports and airports) with the bad (drugs/booze, etc). And, by many standards, KC is incredibly safe.

That building, though by The News Room... I had no idea how bad it was until my buddy told me it was a crack house for a while. Can't argue that it's an incredibly good thing they cleaned house (no pun intended) there.

I have a buddy who lives in Philly over by Temple he has some interesting stories.

I'm guessing you live in the city? I almost moved down there because I do enjoy the environment down than more so than the burbs. I wasn't trying to paint it like a war zone just certain parts I wouldn't walk alone at night but you're right it is just one persons opinion.

The contrast in a 5 mile span of the city really is amazing. You go from crackhouses to mansions.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 11:19 PM
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Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 11:23 PM
I have a buddy who lives in Philly over by Temple he has some interesting stories.

I'm guessing you live in the city? I almost moved down there because I do enjoy the environment down than more so than the burbs. I wasn't trying to paint it like a war zone just certain parts I wouldn't walk alone at night but you're right it is just one persons opinion.

The contrast in a 5 mile span of the city really is amazing. You go from crackhouses to mansions.

No, I live in Mission. Small ranch, but fine size for my fiancee and I. Very short distance to 39th St, Plaza, etc. We looked at Hyde Park before moving, because those houses... holy shit, they were 4-6 BR, 4-6 BA for $150,000 and they were gorgeous. But we really weren't sure how many people would buy into the Hyde Park "renaissance" and we wanted to keep property value up because we don't plan to live here forever. So we got a smaller place very close to the city.

We also looked in Brookside. I hated Brookside so, so much. I hate yuppies with a passion equal only to that for hipsters. Brookside to me was a lot like Leawood; people would join "jogging clubs" so they could buy $200 custom-fit shoes and a $500 wardrobe, and jog maybe once a week and tell everyone about how "Type-A" they are. Ugh. Sorry, tangent.

Stanley Nickels
01-12-2012, 11:25 PM
And Temple and Penn are crazy. A great college and an Ivy League school, both in one of the two worst places in Philly (West and North always are the worst). It's a shame, really, because Penn's campus is like ten square blocks of freaking beautiful areas, surrounded by the absolute worst ghetto I've ever seen.

LiveSteam
01-12-2012, 11:33 PM
Have been killings on average of 2 ta 3 times a night up here in Omaha.
North Omaha is slowly turning into a war zone. Its really out of hand.

KCUnited
02-18-2012, 11:12 AM
I get my haircut across the street from AP. I'm going to miss that Saturday morning walk of shame when Becky from the burbs is walking to her car from getting dropped off.

Rumor has it Missie B's is a potential future tenant.