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Pestilence
01-12-2012, 09:26 AM
http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2012kc.php

Kansas City Chiefs (Last Year: 7-9)

Season Summary:
What Romeo Crennel did at the end of the year was pretty impressive. In two of the final three weeks, he shut down Aaron Rodgers and Tim Tebow. Not that those quarterbacks are close to one another, but the latter did go on and defeat the Steelers seven days afterward. With numerous key players coming back from injury, the Chiefs will be a playoff contender in 2012. Unfortunately, their quarterback situation will prevent them from ever being ranked among the league's elite.


Offseason Moves:



Offseason Needs:

Quarterback: It's a shame the Chiefs couldn't hire Josh McDaniels to work with Matt Cassel again. Cassel will be the starter next year, but he's very mediocre. He doesn't have the physical tools to consistently lead his team deep into the playoffs. Ricky Stanzi, a fifth-round pick in 2011, isn't much of a ray of hope, given that he couldn't unseat Tyler Palko as the starter once Cassel went down.

Right Tackle: Barry Richardson was one of the worst starting linemen in the NFL last year. I'm sure the Chiefs would love to land Riley Reiff with the 11th-overall selection in the 2012 NFL Draft. Jonathan Martin would work as well.

Nose Tackle: Kelly Gregg turns 36 this year. Jerrell Powe, drafted in the sixth round last April, barely played. If Kansas City isn't too optimistic about Powe, it could use its second-rounder on Dontari Poe.

Cornerback: Brandon Flowers, bastard of Highgarden, was re-signed to a big contract in September. The Chiefs will also have to lock up free-agent Brandon Carr. If he leaves, they'll need a new starting cornerback.

Guard/Center: Casey Wiegmann will turn 39 in July. He's mulling retirement, so if he follows through, the Chiefs will need an interior offensive lineman, depending on where they want to utilize 2011 second-rounder Rodney Hudson.

Tight End: Tony Moeaki was injury-prone at Iowa, so it wasn't a surprise to see him tear his ACL in the preseason. Moeaki is talented, but unreliable. A mid-round pick could be used on a tight end.

Running Back: Jamaal Charles will be back from a torn ACL. There were already questions about his ability to carry the load, so the Chiefs should find another capable back to split carries with him. If Trent Richardson isn't available at No. 11 overall, a mid-round pick could be used on a complement.

Rush Linebacker Depth: Justin Houston really came on at the end of last season, but the Chiefs won't have much of a pass rush if either he or Tamba Hali goes down with an injury next year.

Inside Linebacker Depth: Kansas City is also thin in this area.


2012 NFL Free Agent Signings:




Kansas City Chiefs Free Agents:

Salary Cap: TBA.

Dwayne Bowe, WR, Chiefs. Age: 27.
Dwayne Bowe is a dynamic talent and one of the better receivers in the NFL. His production is remarkable considering the mediocre quarterbacks he's worked with throughout his professional career.

Brandon Carr, CB, Chiefs. Age: 26.
Brandon Carr allowed a completion percentage of 49.4 in 2011. He is a No. 1-caliber cornerback who will be rewarded with a big contract this offseason.

Jovan Belcher (RFA), ILB, Chiefs. Age: 25.
Jovan Belcher is a very underrated player. He's a slight liability in coverage sometimes, but he's terrific in run support.

Le'Ron McClain, FB, Chiefs. Age: 27.
Le'Ron McClain is only a decent run-blocker. He barely got any carries last year despite the injury to Jamaal Charles.

Casey Wiegmann, C, Chiefs. Age: 39.
The Chiefs will welcome back Casey Wiegmann if he still wants to play, but at 39, his performance could fall off at any point without warning.

Kyle Orton, QB, Chiefs. Age: 29.
Kyle Orton has proven that he can be a solid game-manager when surrounded by a quality supporting cast. That's all he is though.

Kelly Gregg, NT, Chiefs. Age: 35.
Kelly Gregg did a great job stuffing the run early, but wore down as the season went on. He'll be 36 in November.

Barry Richardson, OT, Chiefs. Age: 26.
Wallace Gilberry, DE, Chiefs. Age: 27.
Amon Gordon, NT, Chiefs. Age: 30.
Jon McGraw, S, Chiefs. Age: 33.
Jackie Battle, RB, Chiefs. Age: 28.
Travis Daniels, CB, Chiefs. Age: 29.
Leonard Pope, TE, Chiefs. Age: 28.
Thomas Jones, RB, Chiefs. Age: 34.
Anthony Becht, TE, Chiefs. Age: 35.
Sabby Piscitelli, S, Chiefs. Age: 29.
Jerheme Urban, WR, Chiefs. Age: 31.
Jake O'Connell (RFA), TE, Chiefs. Age: 26.

Chiefnj2
01-12-2012, 09:50 AM
I think safety is also a big need.

htismaqe
01-12-2012, 10:03 AM
The analysis on the QB situation is lacking. It's pretty clear based on the events that transpired immediately after Haley was fired that Stanzi was never given the chance to beat out Palko.

And I agree, safety is a need.

durtyrute
01-12-2012, 10:31 AM
The analysis on the QB situation is lacking. It's pretty clear based on the events that transpired immediately after Haley was fired that Stanzi was never given the chance to beat out Palko.
And I agree, safety is a need.

I believe this to be very true.

Munson
01-12-2012, 10:38 AM
Seems about right. Somebody needs to email this list to Pioli.

Pestilence
01-12-2012, 10:39 AM
The analysis on the QB situation is lacking. It's pretty clear based on the events that transpired immediately after Haley was fired that Stanzi was never given the chance to beat out Palko.

And I agree, safety is a need.

Walterfootball.com is a little biased. The dude has REPEATEDLY hated on the Chiefs no matter what they do.

philfree
01-12-2012, 04:11 PM
That's a pretty long list of free agents.

Gadzooks
01-12-2012, 05:11 PM
IMO - you guys need to draft a DE in the 1st, preferably from LSU.

O.city
01-12-2012, 05:14 PM
Good thing about the free agency list is that most of those guys should probably be gone anyway.

jd1020
01-12-2012, 05:18 PM
IMO - you guys need to draft a DE in the 1st, preferably from LSU.

If we could get a second for Dorsey, I wouldn't mind Devon Still in the 1st.

whoman69
01-12-2012, 05:39 PM
Good thing about the free agency list is that most of those guys should probably be gone anyway.

Out of that list we maybe look to bring back Gordon, Daniels and Pope. If it were me I would look elsewhere at TE. I'd also like to see Battle come back if another team doesn't make a starter pay offer. I think he's a good complement to Charles.

Bewbies
01-12-2012, 07:41 PM
If we could get a second for Dorsey, I wouldn't mind Devon Still in the 1st.

Or keep Dorsey and draft someone else. LMAO

jd1020
01-12-2012, 09:59 PM
Or keep Dorsey and draft someone else. LMAO

The only thing you know about is the non existent QB thats going to be at 11/12 when we are on the board.

NJChiefsFan
01-12-2012, 10:39 PM
The analysis on the QB situation is lacking. It's pretty clear based on the events that transpired immediately after Haley was fired that Stanzi was never given the chance to beat out Palko.


Yeah, I always am bothered when I read/hear somebody say that.

Bewbies
01-13-2012, 12:36 AM
The only thing you know about is the non existent QB thats going to be at 11/12 when we are on the board.

I know better than trading a great player for a pick lower than the one you use to draft his replacement. That makes no sense at all.

I would prefer a Qb, but if we stay where we are I like Richardson, Kirkpatrick or maybe Upshaw, but none of those make tons of sense either. NT and QB are the only real needs we have at a position worth a top 1/3 of round 1 pick. Which is why we will be trading our pick in April.

jd1020
01-13-2012, 05:16 AM
I know better than trading a great player

I stopped right there.

Bewbies
01-13-2012, 08:16 AM
I stopped right there.

You are awesome.

jd1020
01-13-2012, 09:45 AM
You are awesome.

Keep on praising one of the worst overall players at his position as "great."

He's a 4-3 DT trying to play a 3-4 DE and it just doesnt work.

He has 1 more year on his contract. Trade him...

Bewbies
01-13-2012, 09:59 AM
Keep on praising one of the worst overall players at his position as "great."

He's a 4-3 DT trying to play a 3-4 DE and it just doesnt work.

He has 1 more year on his contract. Trade him...

Dorsey is one of the worst players at his position?

jd1020
01-13-2012, 10:01 AM
Dorsey is one of the worst players at his position?

He's a top run stopper. The end.

He might as well not be on the field on pass plays.

Bewbies
01-13-2012, 10:02 AM
He's a top run stopper. The end.

He might as well not be on the field on pass plays.

You do understand how our version of the 3-4 works?

jd1020
01-13-2012, 10:04 AM
You do understand how our version of the 3-4 works?

You do understand that he doesn't command double teams and on passing plays his job is to pressure the QB, right?

Detoxing
01-13-2012, 10:21 AM
You do understand that he doesn't command double teams and on passing plays his job is to pressure the QB, right?

He's good at what he does, but yeah, this is why he usually comes out on 3rd downs. With that said, I think re-signing Gilberry (though i doubt that happens) and continuing to develop Baily is the best option for this team.

Situational pass rushers FTW!

Detoxing
01-13-2012, 10:22 AM
Keep on praising one of the worst overall players at his position as "great."

He's a 4-3 DT trying to play a 3-4 DE and it just doesnt work.

He has 1 more year on his contract. Trade him...

This, however, which i should've read first, is pretty stupid.

Though Dorsey is not a great pass rushing threat, he's still a good player and an important cog in the defense.

jd1020
01-13-2012, 10:24 AM
This, however, which i should've read first, is pretty stupid.

Though Dorsey is not a great pass rushing threat, he's still a good player and an important cog in the defense.

Dorsey has regressed to less than what Jackson is.

Dorsey some how graded better against the run than Jackson this past season, yet Jackson had more run stops and more solo tackles.

BossChief
01-14-2012, 12:11 AM
jd1020 proves once again that his dumbassery is up there with the best of em.

Reaper16
01-14-2012, 12:39 AM
Hey jd1020: try Googling "Fairbanks-Bullough" sometime, you cunt.

jd1020
01-14-2012, 06:51 AM
Hey jd1020: try Googling "Fairbanks-Bullough" sometime, you ****.

You mean the 3-4 2 gap defense thats designed for the DL to eat up blockers and free up the LB to make plays? Is that why the Chiefs were T-27 in sacks and Hali barely had a pass rush until he was up against the Packers 3rd string linemen?

But at least our rush D was good. That's why we were 26th in the league.

jspchief
01-14-2012, 08:57 AM
The center/guard FA pool is qood this year. This is the area where the Chiefs should be aggressive.

TE/RB needs can be filled via FA also. The Chiefs could get serious about RB and get someone very good, or get a middle of the pack guy and still lean on the draft. I'm ok with Richardson, but I don't think he makes it to 12.

We have to be realistic about how many needs can be filled with rookies. To get more than 2 first year starters out of the draft is a pipe dream. O lineman is the most likely. RB and TE support are also realistic.

We have to retain Bowe, Carr, and Belcher. If we don't, the number of starter holes becomes hard to fill.

To me the biggest question may be NT. I don't see where we'll get one that makes noticeable impact. Sure wish we had given Powe more opportunities.

ForeverChiefs58
01-14-2012, 10:17 PM
You do understand that he doesn't command double teams and on passing plays his job is to pressure the QB, right?

Actually, this is wrong. Dorsey does command double teams, he still makes plays, and was a huge reason for the Chiefs having a good run D.

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http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/dorseyden2.gif

jd1020
01-14-2012, 10:42 PM
Actually, this is wrong. Dorsey does command double teams, he still makes plays, and was a huge reason for the Chiefs having a good run D.

Really? 1 out of 4?

ForeverChiefs58
01-14-2012, 11:05 PM
Really? 1 out of 4?

Those are just a few of him making plays in one game. I thought it proved the point he makes plays, and you can see the effort he brings. He is no bust.

htismaqe
01-15-2012, 05:32 PM
Tyson Jackson draws 2-3 times the number of double-teams Dorsey does.

O.city
01-15-2012, 05:43 PM
Dorsey played alot better against Denver when we got in more 4 man fronts and let him shoot gaps.

He really doesn't fit the system we run but he still makes some plays which I think shows how talented he is, but he doesn't fit what we do.

There for if you could trade him do it.

Micjones
01-16-2012, 02:43 PM
Tender Belcher.

Re-sign Gilberry, Gordon and Daniels.

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