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Dr. Gigglepants
01-14-2012, 11:42 PM
Secrecy, intimidation, fear and a watchful eye have become hallmarks of working for the Chiefs, say some current and former employees.

BY KENT BABB THE KANSAS CITY STAR

Todd Haley walked into the public relations office at Chiefs headquarters on a Thursday in early December. Four days before he was fired as the team’s coach, he wanted to talk about what life was like inside this organization. But he didn’t know who else might be listening.

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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14/3371495/arrowhead-anxiety-turnover-off.html

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This article goes into a lot of detail on the changes that came into effect with the Pioli regime. Sounds like a shitty ass place to work now.

dirk digler
01-14-2012, 11:45 PM
holy shit...

The Bad Guy
01-14-2012, 11:47 PM
Clark Hunt, the team’s chairman and CEO, rejected the notion that Arrowhead is a difficult place to work, but he said there has been an emphasis placed on responsibility. Change, he said, is often uncomfortable.

“We needed a culture that pursued excellence,” he said. “One that valued honesty and integrity, one where the employees would be held accountable.”

When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt fucking Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the fucking quarterback of the team?

Pioli can fucking die.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-14-2012, 11:47 PM
holy shit...

A gum wrapper? In an envelope...pulled out at a meeting. Seriously?

The Bad Guy
01-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Yeah, in the year 2011, it's great to conduct your business like it's medieval times.

What a pile of shit Scott Pioli is. Clark Hunt is a bigger one for allowing his organization to run like this.

I hope Lamar Hunt haunts Clark.

ZootedGranny
01-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Absolutely pathetic.

The Bad Guy
01-14-2012, 11:49 PM
If you buy season tickets for this shit, you need your head checked.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-14-2012, 11:50 PM
When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt fucking Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the fucking quarterback of the team?

Pioli can fucking die.

My thoughts exactly when I read that part. Accountability for everyone except me. What I don't get, is when Carl got canned and we hired Pioli, and I believe promoted Donovan to oversee the business side, it seems like Pioli just runs the whole show. I thought he was brought in to run the team and Donovan was going to run the business side.

Count Alex's Losses
01-14-2012, 11:52 PM
Crap.

The Bad Guy
01-14-2012, 11:53 PM
Clark gave this maniac this power. Why is the general manager of the football operations side telling employees what doors they can enter in the gym?

It's stories like this that make me realize that any Hunt/Pioli lead organization will never win shit.

evolve27
01-14-2012, 11:53 PM
I'm schocked. Blow this fugger up.

The Bad Guy
01-14-2012, 11:53 PM
I'll anxiously await the Patriot ballwashers that come to the rescue of Scott Pioli to address this nonsense.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-14-2012, 11:54 PM
Crap.

saight. I stumbled on it like 5 minutes after it posted on the website by chance. Waited like 25 minutes for someone to post it but no one was so I thought I get it on here.

What a piece of shit.

dirk digler
01-14-2012, 11:55 PM
A gum wrapper? In an envelope...pulled out at a meeting. Seriously?

That doesn't bother me but what does is the feeling that they are spying and listening to your private conversations.

Count Alex's Losses
01-14-2012, 11:55 PM
The candy wrapper is the worst part.

Makes me want to waterboard Scott Pioli.

Guru
01-14-2012, 11:56 PM
I think this article will draw up a lawsuit against Babb.

The Bad Guy
01-14-2012, 11:56 PM
After a while, a saying was adopted by top administrators for behavior that didn’t fit the new standards: “That’s so 2-and-14,” they would say, referring to the Chiefs’ win-loss record in 2008. This pertained to matters large and small: Stephanie Melton, who worked 11 years on the team’s operations staff, recalled Pioli’s reaction after she and a coworker, after working past midnight on a weekend, had parked a courier van in the unmarked space usually occupied by Pioli’s car. The women had forgotten to move it, and Pioli was livid the next morning. Melton said she was made to feel for several days that she’d be fired.

“There was an incredible fear of saying and doing the wrong thing,” said a former business-side executive, who was among a group of sources who requested anonymity — in some cases because they still worked for the Chiefs, and in others because they believed their comments might hinder their chances of getting another job in sports.

He's a fucking bully. What's the standard for 7-9 Scott? How about 4-12? You've had 2 losing seasons out of 3.

I can't root for people like Scott Pioli.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-14-2012, 11:57 PM
I think this article will draw up a lawsuit against Babb.

Sure looks like he fell on his pen here. We'll see how he's treated after this, Babb might not be the Chiefs guy anymore, but he went ahead and exposed this clown for what he is.

Count Alex's Losses
01-14-2012, 11:58 PM
Yeah, that was a great big fucking bomb for sure.

I wonder if Haley is the unnamed source for any of that.

Baconeater
01-14-2012, 11:59 PM
That's a lot of words.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:00 AM
GODDAMMIT, WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY ON COFFEE!!!

Oh, and draft Tyson Jackson, trade for Matt Cassel and give them $120 million.

I'm outta here, I think I saw a candy wrapper in the east wing.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-15-2012, 12:00 AM
Sure looks like he fell on his pen here. We'll see how he's treated after this, Babb might not be the Chiefs guy anymore, but he went ahead and exposed this clown for what he is.

I think everyone knew. It was just a matter of time before it got blown up.

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
If this is true he needs to be fired 2.5 years ago.

ZootedGranny
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
Anyone down to chip in for a skywriter to fly over the practice field and write "WE'RE WATCHING YOU"?

Bowser
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
Control freak with an inferiority complex. Probably killing him watching the Patriots light up the Broncos today.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
That's a lot of words.

Best parts:


Haley suspected that many rooms at the team facility were bugged so that team administrators could monitor employees’ conversations. Stopping finally in a conference room, Haley said he believed his personal cellphone, a line he used before being hired by the Chiefs in 2009, had been tampered with.


During his first year, Pioli noticed a candy wrapper in a back stairwell and waited to see how long it took to be picked up. About a week passed, and it remained in the stairwell. He placed the wrapper in an envelope, and during a meeting of department heads, Donovan, then the team’s chief operating officer, brandished the wrapper as evidence of the attention to detail that Chiefs employees had grown to ignore.

“A great coaching moment,” Donovan said. LMAOLMAOLMAO


Pioli frequently came down hard on minutiae. Some emphases made sense, some staffers said; others, though, seemed over the top. One executive, who’s no longer with the team, was sent to human resources for casually referring to Pioli by his last name; the executive said, however, that first names were acceptable. Pioli also sent a memo with detailed instructions, including which stairway to use and which doorway to enter, when using the facility’s gym.


When Pioli took over the Chiefs, he seemed determined to eliminate the chance of a competitor spying on his team. This past November, a security guard noticed a sedan stopped on Lancer Lane, a public road that runs adjacent to the Chiefs’ practice fields, as the team’s morning session was beginning. The driver took a photograph on his cell phone, and the guard ran toward him, standing there until the man deleted the picture. As the guard returned to his post, he told a Star reporter that, if the man hadn’t erased the photo, the guard would’ve confiscated the phone.

Melton said she frequently took the brunt of Pioli’s outbursts on such matters as the temperature in his office, the radio signal in the weight room, and how much the organization spent annually on coffee.

Bowser
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
Anyone down to chip in for a skywriter to fly over the practice field and write "WE'RE WATCHING YOU"?

In

PornChief
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
if it gets us a superbowl he can give em all cavity searches for all i care.

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 12:03 AM
“He was so focused on what seemed like unimportant details for the general manager of a football team,” she said. “We all had to step to the beat of his drum, but we all kept questioning: ‘How is this building a better football team?’"

Fucking exactly. Don't build the depth on the line, safety, or quarterback Scott.

Just worry about the radio frequency in the locker room and how much coffee is being consumed.

Brock
01-15-2012, 12:03 AM
I understand some of the things in the article being thought of badly, but does anybody really think of "Hey they could be watching my email and my web surfing and my phone log" as something odd? The bottom line is if you want stable employment working for more or less easygoing people, a sports franchise is probably among the worst things you could pick.

dallaschiefsfan
01-15-2012, 12:03 AM
Wow. Crazy stuff. Actual Journalism...I'm impressed. I actually know Stephanie Melton from High School. She seemed to contribute quite a bit to Babb's story.

And what ever happened to the division between the personnel side and the business operations side? Last I checked, Pioli didn't carry both titles like Carl. He sure seems to be exercising the power of both titles, though. This can't end well.

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:04 AM
Anyone down to chip in for a skywriter to fly over the practice field and write "WE'RE WATCHING YOU"?

<--------- I have been. ;)

Dr. Gigglepants
01-15-2012, 12:04 AM
If this is true he needs to be fired 2.5 years ago.

I hate to react that way, immediately after reading an article like this one, and I am still one of the few who is holding on to a slight bit of hope for the Pioli era here.

But if we went a new direction tomorrow I wouldn't be upset.

Bowser
01-15-2012, 12:04 AM
I believe I would have told that rent a cop to kindly go get fucked if he threatened to confiscate my phone.

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 12:04 AM
The guard would have confiscated the phone? On what grounds?

dallaschiefsfan
01-15-2012, 12:06 AM
The guard would have confiscated the phone? On what grounds?

He couldn't have. He would have been charged if he had attempted to confiscate anything.

tk13
01-15-2012, 12:06 AM
There's always going to be grumbling when there's turnover, some people will never like the new boss. But some of this stuff isn't hard to believe. Belichick himself is probably borderline psycho about some things. Look at all that Spygate stuff. He just wins football games so no one cares. There have been plenty of reports come out lately that Bill Polian ruled with ego and fear too. The stuff about Haley thinking his office was bugged is hilarious, in a twisted way.

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:08 AM
I think this article will draw up a lawsuit against Babb.

But if this is true, then he did a damn great job of reporting.

teedubya
01-15-2012, 12:08 AM
"A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized."

Goldman Sachs training program. :rolleyes:

This franchise is an embarrassment. Who would want to come here as a free agent knowing this shit? Word gets around.

Winning, my ass.

Brock
01-15-2012, 12:09 AM
Babb did a nice job on this, I haven't read an interesting story on the Chiefs since Whitlock left.

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:09 AM
I'll wait to see how he handles the QB position to see how I fully feel about Pioli.

This backroom shit doesn't affect me one bit. If he gets us a QB, I couldn't care less if he made employees strip down and gave each one of them cavity searches before they could enter the building.

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:10 AM
But if this is true, then he did a damn great job of reporting.

Oh absolutely!!!! Can't wait to hear KK and NW on Monday now.

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:11 AM
if it gets us a superbowl he can give em all cavity searches for all i care.

But that's the problem. He hasn't done shit yet, so he doesn't have the right to act the way he does. Yeah maybe he looked good in New England thanks to an amazing coach and falling into a franchise QB by accident, but in KC he hasn't done shit.

Bowser
01-15-2012, 12:11 AM
"A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized."

Goldman Sachs training program. :rolleyes:

This franchise is an embarrassment. Who would want to come here as a free agent knowing this shit? Word gets around.

Winning, my ass.

This is actually a great point. It will be interesting to watch how active we are in FA this year, considering we're close to 30 mil under the cap. If we go out and have another haul of Bechts and Piscatellis for our FA pickups this year, this theory will have much merit.

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:11 AM
Oh absolutely!!!! Can't wait to hear KK and NW on Monday now.

Same here. Nick is gonna be all over this shit.

Al Bundy
01-15-2012, 12:11 AM
Business-side staffers with an office window facing the practice fields were made to keep their shades drawn during practices. The team president was no exception. A security guard made the rounds during practices, sometimes interrupting phone calls and meetings to lower shades.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14/3371495/arrowhead-anxiety-turnover-off.html#storylink=cpy


This part I know to be true. Paranoia.... one of my friends worked there and had to quit because of stress.

Bowser
01-15-2012, 12:12 AM
Babb did a nice job on this, I haven't read an interesting story on the Chiefs since Whitlock left.

This may actually be the first truly scathing article of Piloi, considering the backroom stories. And Mellinger's pieces on Piloi's drafts can't be considered scathing compared to this.

Brock
01-15-2012, 12:13 AM
I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-15-2012, 12:13 AM
I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

True, but the coaches and staff sure care.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:14 AM
Anyone have a hard time believing Clark Hunt would want his top executives behaving this way, knowing how his dad was and how he's supposed to be his father's son?

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:14 AM
"A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized."

Goldman Sachs training program. :rolleyes:

This franchise is an embarrassment. Who would want to come here as a free agent knowing this shit? Word gets around.

Winning, my ass.

Nope.

I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

This.

CoMoChief
01-15-2012, 12:14 AM
I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

no kidding.

also, I don't know really what could be done administratively that can make Bowe a better player etc...

Chiefs Pantalones
01-15-2012, 12:15 AM
Could Babb force Hunt's hand to fire Pioli after this article? I mean the organization takes a hit after something like this coming out...

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:16 AM
Lamar Hunt used to pass out gameday magazines in front of Arrowhead on Sundays. Like a minimum wage schlep.

Scott Pioli can't take 10 seconds to bend down and pick up a candy wrapper.

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:17 AM
Could Babb force Hunt's hand to fire Pioli after this article? I mean the organization takes a hit after something like this coming out...

Probably not, but as Chiefs fans we'd have to make sure everyone who cares in KC recognizes this article.

Brock
01-15-2012, 12:17 AM
True, but the coaches and staff sure care.

Well, maybe, but I'm not sure that anything I'm reading in this article is really that far out of the norm. Let's face it, sports management jobs attract a certain type of person (paranoid, psychopathic assholes with giant egos).

tk13
01-15-2012, 12:18 AM
I doubt this would affect free agency. Where it would hurt is coaching candidates (i.e. Jeff Fisher) knowing this stuff and not even blinking at KC while flirting with Miami, where he would've eventually worked under Carl Peterson.

Chocolate Hog
01-15-2012, 12:18 AM
Things are so secret that a talk show host has the teams defensive play book.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 12:21 AM
If Pioli put as much attention to detail into the roster as he does his subordinates, we'd be a pretty decent franchise.

Can't wait until this clown is fired. Eagerly anticipating 2032.

tk13
01-15-2012, 12:22 AM
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:22 AM
Well, maybe, but I'm not sure that anything I'm reading in this article is really that far out of the norm. Let's face it, sports management jobs attract a certain type of person (paranoid, psychopathic assholes with giant egos).

This.

I'm shocked that people are surprised that people who run billion dollar companies have huge egos.

But like Tk said, other teams probably do the same things. The reason you don't hear about it is because they win. If Pioli gets us a QB, nobody on this board will give two shits about Stephanie Melton and her troubles. Just like if this same story came out about Belichick (I'm sure he does the same exact shit), no one in New England would care.

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:23 AM
If Pioli put as much attention to detail into the roster as he does his subordinates, we'd be a pretty decent franchise.

Can't wait until this clown is fired. Eagerly anticipating 2032.

This.

Seems to me that there's too much energy being wasted on non-football related things by a man who is so called the "Head of all football operations".

Bowser
01-15-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah, all good points.

Most people would more than likely be shocked at the things that are said and done in most Fortune 500 companies.

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:24 AM
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

Fuck your mother and die Scotty!

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:24 AM
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

The WPI premium forum is bug free, head on over.

Rain Man
01-15-2012, 12:26 AM
The employees were much happier working for Carl Peterson when there were no performance expectations at all.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 12:26 AM
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

Oww. Thanks for the heads-up.

Hey, Pioli...err...Scott, you worthless piece of fucking shit. It's impressive that you clawed your way into the league by bagging the Tuna's daughter, but the single most admirable line on your resume should be how motherfucking overrated and disappointingly bad you are at your job.

Shove your fucking wrapper up your candy ass, fucking Trey Hillman knockoff.

Chocolate Hog
01-15-2012, 12:26 AM
A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized.

Now that's irony.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 12:27 AM
BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

Iowanian
01-15-2012, 12:28 AM
With all of the discussion about accountability and honor, Pioli won't be fired, he'll be handed a short, ancient Japanese sword by an elderly Samurai.

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:28 AM
The employees were much happier working for Carl Peterson when there were no performance expectations at all.

LMAO

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:29 AM
The employees were much happier working for Carl Peterson when there were no performance expectations at all.

Carl Peterson built the Arrowhead experience from the ground up, took a shit, dying franchise and turned it into gold, and you think there were no performance expectations for the employees?

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:29 AM
BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

:LOL::LOL:


Can't wait for the dirt DaFace has on Rain Man if he ever leaves. I heard Rain Man lets his cat do the accounting for the company.

tk13
01-15-2012, 12:29 AM
Also, the real reason Hootie was banned was because he left a Snickers wrapper on the floor of his bedroom for 5 days. Maybe if that little slob showed some attention to detail he'd still be posting here. We aren't going to win any message board championships with that crap.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 12:31 AM
BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

That's not the most interesting part of this, to me. We've known about the age discrimination suit for some time now.

The reports of dumbass behavior by high-ranking employees is highly disturbing. Judging by what we know, Pioli spent more time scouting a candy bar wrapper than our starting QB.

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:31 AM
Also, the real reason Hootie was banned was because he left a Snickers wrapper on the floor of his bedroom for 5 days. Maybe if that little slob showed some attention to detail he'd still be posting here. We aren't going to win any message board championships with that crap.

Always close your chiefs planet tab when you're done posting. I've heard Patriots Planet has been around here video taping.

Brock
01-15-2012, 12:32 AM
Carl Peterson built the Arrowhead experience from the ground up, took a shit, dying franchise and turned it into gold, and you think there were no performance expectations for the employees?

He fired a bunch of old guard people and brought in his own. This isn't rocket science.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-15-2012, 12:32 AM
Also, the real reason Hootie was banned was because he left a Snickers wrapper on the floor of his bedroom for 5 days. Maybe if that little slob showed some attention to detail he'd still be posting here. We aren't going to win any message board championships with that crap.

He used to work for the Chiefs, but thanks to Pioli now all he can get is a pizza delivery gig. Pioli ruins lives.

Rain Man
01-15-2012, 12:32 AM
Carl Peterson built the Arrowhead experience from the ground up, took a shit, dying franchise and turned it into gold, and you think there were no performance expectations for the employees?

For the first five years I suspect you're right. During the Donnell Bennett/Carlton Gray years, I suspect workers were going to the movies during the work day. And we know Carl wasn't doing anything at all for the first four or five months of the John Tait negotiations.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 12:33 AM
He fired a bunch of old guard people and brought in his own. This isn't rocket science.Exactly. Cry me a river.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 12:34 AM
Bit reductive to claim that he only cycled through some employees.

Don't watch the practice field! Raise your hands to piss!

Psst, Pioli, you fat fuck. Your team still sucks.

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:34 AM
He fired a bunch of old guard people and brought in his own. This isn't rocket science.

Nope. That's not how it works. Watch, Reggie McKenzie will bring absolutely zero personnel from the Packers to run the Raiders. That's how real GMs do it. They work with people they're not familiar or comfortable with, because that's just how awesome they are.

Rain Man
01-15-2012, 12:34 AM
:LOL::LOL:


Can't wait for the dirt DaFace has on Rain Man if he ever leaves. I heard Rain Man lets his cat do the accounting for the company.


I've bailed DaFace out of jail so often that there's no way he goes state witness on me.

ChiefsNow
01-15-2012, 12:35 AM
auto correct Pioli to Who will pick up the gum wrappers?

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:37 AM
Tim God's anointed NFL disciple

Oh, you've gone and done it now.

DaWolf
01-15-2012, 12:39 AM
You know what, having worked in management at multiple organizations, when you bring in change, you scare certain people, because all of a sudden their gravy train is over. So if you are sitting there paranoid about getting caught doing something wrong, that probably means you're not focusing on doing your job right, which means I'm not going to shed a tear if the Chiefs can you.

I remember a story in the book War Room where Pioli had just taken over and had the scouts together in a meeting room and they were going over players and he kept hearing two scouts in the back snickering. He finally went over and asked them what was so funny, and one of the scouts turns his laptop around and shows him some funny online video he was showing the other guy. You better bet that those guys got canned and the internet probably got locked down after that...

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 12:41 AM
Could you imagine Karen Kornacki asking Pioli during a press conference: "Scott, who will pick up the gum wrappers from now on in the building? You yelled at the staff so close to Christmas. Think about the children."

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 12:46 AM
This is the Kansas City Star's version of the epic (ok, damnit... how do you spell ek-spoe-zay) :D

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:51 AM
expose'

DRU
01-15-2012, 12:52 AM
I find it funny that a journalist would waste his time on this sort of thing, and I find it even more funny that those few of you who read the article post the negative quotes and comments for the others to read, but leave out the positive or indifferent stuff that just as many people said.

For every negative quote in the article there's another one from somebody saying it's no big deal and it doesn't bother them. Both from people who are still there and those who aren't. One even talked about how the same fears and feelings were evident when Peterson took over years ago.

New management took over. Some people were let go, and some people weren't. It happens everywhere with business, large and small.

The candy wrapper thing is nothing, but you guys are acting like Pioli is the devil because of it. I've seen that example of proving the "attention to detail" point in lots of business management books and I've heard it used at business conferences as well. It's supposed to illustrate how an entire team of people work together to ensure that every small detail is handled within an organization. The point is that if so many people are walking by a piece of trash in their work place and nobody ever picks it up, what other "trash" are they seeing and doing nothing about? It's a simple concept and was most likely used to spark the conversation in the meeting.

This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 12:52 AM
exposeThank you.

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:53 AM
Thank you.

sorry expose' I think.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 12:54 AM
Yeah, you guys are right. Pioli has this thing on lock. /DMC at #36 overall

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 12:55 AM
I find it funny that a journalist would waste his time on this sort of thing, and I find it even more funny that those few of you who read the article post the negative quotes and comments for the others to read, but leave out the positive or indifferent stuff that just as many people said.

For every negative quote in the article there's another one from somebody saying it's no big deal and it doesn't bother them. Both from people who are still there and those who aren't. One even talked about how the same fears and feelings were evident when Peterson took over years ago.

New management took over. Some people were let go, and some people weren't. It happens everywhere with business, large and small.

The candy wrapper thing is nothing, but you guys are acting like Pioli is the devil because of it. I've seen that example of proving the "attention to detail" point in lots of business management books and I've heard it used at business conferences as well. It's supposed to illustrate how an entire team of people work together to ensure that every small detail is handled within an organization. The point is that if so many people are walking by a piece of trash in their work place and nobody ever picks it up, what other "trash" are they seeing and doing nothing about? It's a simple concept and was most likely used to spark the conversation in the meeting.

This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.Yep.

BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

-King-
01-15-2012, 12:56 AM
Yeah, you guys are right. Pioli has this thing on lock. /DMC at #36 overall


Yes he does. /Justin Houston at #70 overall.

Smed1065
01-15-2012, 12:56 AM
Jump the shark. Idiots or Chiefs followers.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 12:56 AM
sorry expose' I think.Now you're gettin' fancy.

mikey23545
01-15-2012, 12:57 AM
Pioli shouldn't be fired - he should be prosecuted.

Smed1065
01-15-2012, 12:57 AM
Or the draftubators that have failed for 4 years now.

Shogun
01-15-2012, 12:57 AM
That's not the most interesting part of this, to me. We've known about the age discrimination suit for some time now.

The reports of dumbass behavior by high-ranking employees is highly disturbing. Judging by what we know, Pioli spent more time scouting a candy bar wrapper than our starting QB.

Matt Cassel was the candy bar wrapper.

That explains his poor QB play.

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:57 AM
Now you're gettin' fancy.

Well, I am a KU fan. Gotta hold up the higher standard. :evil:

Guru
01-15-2012, 12:58 AM
Matt Cassel was the candy bar wrapper.

That explains his poor QB play.

Holy shit!!!! I think you're on to something.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 12:58 AM
Yep.

BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

You're taking too simplistic of an approach to this. When Babb started this article, there was at least one key player with a job (Haley).

Smed1065
01-15-2012, 12:58 AM
Facts or STFU?

Not hindsight.

Bewbies
01-15-2012, 12:58 AM
Working for a micro manager sucks ass.

Anyway, what's funny to me is holding so many people to account, and the appearance that you don't hold your own actions/decisions to that standard.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:00 AM
Open your blinds during practice? Fired. Trade and sign Cassel to participate in these practices? Well done!

Smed1065
01-15-2012, 01:01 AM
When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt fucking Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the fucking quarterback of the team?

Pioli can fucking die.

You first if so dedicated. If not die for us. Bedsides STFU. Not your field, idiot thought, or Just FU.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 01:02 AM
Well, I am a KU fan. Gotta hold up the higher standard. :evil:F'n Beakers. I bet you hold your pinky up when you take a drink.

(Wait, was that a filter infraction?)

-King-
01-15-2012, 01:03 AM
It's going to keep me up all night knowing that Pioli fired people responsible for all those superbowl wins the past couple decades. THE NERVE!

trndobrd
01-15-2012, 01:03 AM
The warm, friendly, cuddly work environment, with an attitude of "just do your best" and "good enough" hasn't been very successful for the last 30+ years.

I have no problem with giving "personal accountability" and "attention to detail" a try.

DRU
01-15-2012, 01:04 AM
Open your blinds during practice? Fired. Trade and sign Cassel to participate in these practices? Well done!

This is another topic in the article I think is being blown out of proportion.

I'm going to guess that many of the people that work at Arrowhead are Chiefs fans, like myself. I'm also going to state the fact that if I were working at Arrowhead, and my beloved Chiefers were practicing right outside my window, I probably wouldn't be getting near as much work done as I would be if I couldn't see them and watch them.

If I'm running a business of any kind and I see this sort of distraction I'm going to do something about it. It's called a business decision, and I wouldn't be surprised if they could present data to backup the fact that general production went up when this distraction was removed.

It's just like blocking Facebook, Chiefsplanet, etc. on company networks. It's a distraction that costs an organization money because of lack of production. It's my opinion that this sort of thing has a lot more to do with what's going on than conspiracy.

SNR
01-15-2012, 01:05 AM
holy shit...I know! Can you believe it?

A Kansas City Star writer actually did some investigating and reporting!!!

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:05 AM
80-20 split. What a shock.

It's cool, Pi...Scott! Yes, sir. Whatever you say! Go Chiefs!!! Details! Wins! BBQ!!!

Micjones
01-15-2012, 01:06 AM
The six elephants the room:

1. The Kansas City media has an axe to grind with the new regime and their lack of access to information. Hostility towards Pioli is a direct result of that.

2. Employees from the previous regime who've lost jobs ALSO have an axe to grind. Others, still on the payroll and also unhappy with the new direction of the organization, are uncomfortable having to abandon their comfort zones (established by previous regimes).

3. Fans also have an axe to grind with the level of secrecy this organization has created over the last 3 years. The explosion of information through every kind of media imaginable doesn't dovetail with these rigid policies about keeping everything quiet.

4. Fans don't care how an organization is run so long as it produces results. If this organization were winning there'd be no indignation about this micro-management.

5. Scott Pioli and Mark Donovan can only do what Clark Hunt allows them to. You can't, on the one hand, burn the two of them at the stake and simultaneously give our illustrious owner a pass. He's ultimately responsible.

6. Every GM has to run the organization how he sees fit. If you can be relieved of your job, you want it to be on your own terms. Be that secrecy, an open-door policy or indifference. Hunt can't hire the man to do a job then have his hand in everything he's entrusted to Scott Pioli. If you find that his "way" isn't serving your franchise...can him and find someone else. But the man has to have some level of freedom to build it...his "way".

trndobrd
01-15-2012, 01:07 AM
You're taking too simplistic of an approach to this. When Babb started this article, there was at least one key player with a job (Haley).

But he was/is Bat S**t crazy, looked and no doubt smelled like a hobo, and was probably was seeing black helicopters.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:08 AM
This is another topic in the article I think is being blown out of proportion.

I'm going to guess that many of the people that work at Arrowhead are Chiefs fans, like myself. I'm also going to state the fact that if I were working at Arrowhead, and my beloved Chiefers were practicing right outside my window, I probably wouldn't be getting near as much work done as I would be if I couldn't see them and watch them.

If I'm running a business of any kind and I see this sort of distraction I'm going to do something about it. It's called a business decision, and I wouldn't be surprised if they could present data to backup the fact that general production went up when this distraction was removed.

It's just like blocking Facebook, Chiefsplanet, etc. on company networks. It's a distraction that costs an organization money because of lack of production. It's my opinion that this sort of thing has a lot more to do with what's going on than conspiracy.

Indeed. And reporters must raise their hands to piss and employees are locked out of certain parts of Arrowhead to prevent further distractions.

I'll say this: think about how poorly this team would have performed if Pioli hadn't initiated these changes? Scary. Thank goodness that comfy-cozy environment left and he instilled one laden with playoff wins.

Chocolate Hog
01-15-2012, 01:08 AM
Deez is really pounding the fire Pioli drum.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 01:08 AM
80-20 split. What a shock.

It's cool, Pi...Scott! Yes, sir. Whatever you say! Go Chiefs!!! Details! Wins! BBQ!!!OK really... do you believe the Chiefs are bugging employees personal cell phones?

Chocolate Hog
01-15-2012, 01:11 AM
OK really... do you believe the Chiefs are bugging employees personal cell phones?

Pretty sure that's against the law.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:11 AM
OK really... do you believe the Chiefs are bugging employees personal cell phones?

Nope. But I think the priorities are way, way, way out of whack.

And this team won't win anything of substance (read: SB) while an incompetent fuck like Pioli is here.

Executives cannot watch practice, but Cassel leads and participates in them. Justify this.

Guru
01-15-2012, 01:12 AM
OK really... do you believe the Chiefs are bugging employees personal cell phones?

They're bugging yours.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:14 AM
The GM who hired Haley cultivated an environment in which the latter spent, apparently, a decent amount of time worrying about what he could or could not say.

But he was the "face of the franchise" according to the same overhyped piece of NE shit. Good to know that the "Exec. of the Decade" wasn't wasting everyone's money on Sundays.

Mojo Jojo
01-15-2012, 01:14 AM
OK really... do you believe the Chiefs are bugging employees personal cell phones?

I know for a fact they bug and trace all company issued cell phones.

FAX
01-15-2012, 01:15 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that candy wrapper belonged to Brian Waters.

The scary part of this is that Dr. Evil has really just begun his reign of terror.

I was very hopeful that, once we got the bathrooms all locked up nice and tight, we would start winning some playoff games. I guess we need more accountability, though. It's time to implanting RFID Chips in the damn employees, the media guys, and their families. Babb, you're first.

FAX

Guru
01-15-2012, 01:17 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that candy wrapper belonged to Brian Waters.

The scary part of this is that Dr. Evil has really just begun his reign of terror.

I was very hopeful that, once we got the bathrooms all locked up nice and tight, we would start winning some playoff games. I guess we need more accountability, though. It's time to implanting RFID Chips in the damn employees, the media guys, and their families. Babb, you're first.

FAX

throw a 666 on their heads too for identification purposes.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 01:18 AM
Nope. But I think the priorities are way, way, way out of whack.

And this team won't win anything of substance (read: SB) while an incompetent **** like Pioli is here.

Executives cannot watch practice, but Cassel leads and participates in them. Justify this.Well, I can't. I'm not a Cassel guy. (don't know who is, at this point) But you've got this article all wrong.

The article itself is a silly bunch of trash. It seems interesting, but in the end... it's really nothing. (Kinda like Cassel himself.)

I put that last part in there just for you.

SNR
01-15-2012, 01:19 AM
Those rumors that Haley started Palko just to fuck up the image and product of the Patriot Way KC Chiefs?

That's actually pretty funny now. LMAO

I could totally see myself doing the same fucking thing in his position.

FAX
01-15-2012, 01:19 AM
Apparently, that office-bugging stuff happens more often than people realize (at least, more often than I realized). I have a very close friend who was the accountant at a prestigious physician's office here in Nashville. The doctors changed office managers and one day he found a bug under his desk. He traced it back to the company that sold it and the guy told him those little wireless bug deals were selling like hos at International House Of Hos on Ho Day.

It's not easy being normal these days.

FAX

|Zach|
01-15-2012, 01:19 AM
The up and down teams each year...whatever...I can deal with it.

But this tone deaf organization with its head so far up its ass is absolutely maddening.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:19 AM
I put that last part in there just for you.

LMAO

Fair enough.

FAX
01-15-2012, 01:20 AM
I know for a fact they bug and trace all company issued cell phones.

That's a pretty wacky fact, man.

FAX

Guru
01-15-2012, 01:21 AM
Scott Pioli is Joey Morolto in The Firm

DRU
01-15-2012, 01:21 AM
Executives cannot watch practice, but Cassel leads and participates in them. Justify this.

Pretty simple. If you're running a multi-million dollar corporation and your top executives are watching football practice instead of doing their job, wouldn't you want to make a change to remove that distraction?

tk13
01-15-2012, 01:22 AM
Seriously though... I wonder if any of this stuff helped us win the tampering case against the Lions regarding Jarrad Page.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-15-2012, 01:23 AM
Pretty simple. If you're running a multi-million dollar corporation and your top executives are watching football practice instead of doing their job, wouldn't you want to make a change to remove that distraction?

No, it's fucking stupid.

DeezNutz
01-15-2012, 01:24 AM
Pretty simple. If you're running a multi-million dollar corporation and your top executives are watching football practice instead of doing their job, wouldn't you want to make a change to remove that distraction?

If you ran that same company and the person in the single most important position in said company was making it less profitable, in terms of dollars and overall success, wouldn't you want to make a change to remove that unsightly piece of motherfucking QBing shit?

We love you, Scott. Happy reading. NE clearly misses you. Trey Hillman-lite.

HMc
01-15-2012, 01:24 AM
This is another topic in the article I think is being blown out of proportion.

I'm going to guess that many of the people that work at Arrowhead are Chiefs fans, like myself. I'm also going to state the fact that if I were working at Arrowhead, and my beloved Chiefers were practicing right outside my window, I probably wouldn't be getting near as much work done as I would be if I couldn't see them and watch them.

If I'm running a business of any kind and I see this sort of distraction I'm going to do something about it. It's called a business decision, and I wouldn't be surprised if they could present data to backup the fact that general production went up when this distraction was removed.

It's just like blocking Facebook, Chiefsplanet, etc. on company networks. It's a distraction that costs an organization money because of lack of production. It's my opinion that this sort of thing has a lot more to do with what's going on than conspiracy.

Actually, since you're into up-to-the-minute business ideas and conferences and all that jazz, I think it's worth pointing out the currently accepted wisdom is that you're better off not blocking access to such websites. Google it if you want. I work for a major international law firm, who aren't the most progressive types traditionally, and they unblocked facebook and youtube about 18 months ago. It's happening a lot.

Let people have their blinds the way they want them and let them access the internet. You'll have a much happier staff. Underperformers get fired.

How hard can that be? You're just pissing off the productive employees by treating them like children.

Dr. Gigglepants
01-15-2012, 01:26 AM
Actually, since you're into up-to-the-minute business ideas and conferences and all that jazz, I think it's worth pointing out the currently accepted wisdom is that you're better off not blocking access to such websites. Google it if you want. I work for a major international law firm, who aren't the most progressive types traditionally, and they unblocked facebook and youtube about 18 months ago. It's happening a lot.

Let people have their blinds the way they want them and let them access the internet. You'll have a much happier staff. Underperformers get fired.

How hard can that be? You're just pissing off the productive employees by treating them like children.

My employer opened everything up about that time as well, and it's a lot better for us. Some people prefer fear and intimidation though.

Fritz88
01-15-2012, 01:27 AM
How much money is spent on coffee?

Boy I'd hate to work in a place like that.
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HMc
01-15-2012, 01:28 AM
Pretty simple. If you're running a multi-million dollar corporation and your top executives are watching football practice instead of doing their job, wouldn't you want to make a change to remove that distraction?

And in the process, you upset all those that can produce output with the blinds up, who are probably the people you want to keep.

Remove underperformers when they underperform. Whether they were reading CP or watching practice or fingering their bumholes, who gives a shit?

FAX
01-15-2012, 01:29 AM
Actually, since you're into up-to-the-minute business ideas and conferences and all that jazz, I think it's worth pointing out the currently accepted wisdom is that you're better off not blocking access to such websites. Google it if you want. I work for a major international law firm, who aren't the most progressive types traditionally, and they unblocked facebook and youtube about 18 months ago. It's happening a lot.

Let people have their blinds the way they want them and let them access the internet. You'll have a much happier staff. Underperformers get fired.

How hard can that be? You're just pissing off the productive employees by treating them like children.

Yeah, the problem with micro-managing is that you get too caught up in minutia and lose sight of the overall direction. Your efforts at leadership become comical.

As a business leader, you're far better off managing "results" (or the lack, thereof) and staying the hell away from trying to herd cats. If someone is spending so much time on the internet that it's adversely affecting their work product or performance metric, find somebody who has a different set of priorities or who can manage themselves better. You get big bucks knowing who to hire and who to fire ... and when ... not for being a babysitter.

That's how I see it, anyhow.

FAX

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 01:29 AM
How much money is spent on coffee?



This must be why Arrowhead is using the extra cheap see-through toilet paper.

KcMizzou
01-15-2012, 01:30 AM
Actually, since you're into up-to-the-minute business ideas and conferences and all that jazz, I think it's worth pointing out the currently accepted wisdom is that you're better off not blocking access to such websites. Google it if you want. I work for a major international law firm, who aren't the most progressive types traditionally, and they unblocked facebook and youtube about 18 months ago. It's happening a lot.

Let people have their blinds the way they want them and let them access the internet. You'll have a much happier staff. Underperformers get fired.

How hard can that be? You're just pissing off the productive employees by treating them like children.I, for one, support this change. Fuck Websense. Trust me to do my job. I'll do it.

DRU
01-15-2012, 01:31 AM
Actually, since you're into up-to-the-minute business ideas and conferences and all that jazz, I think it's worth pointing out the currently accepted wisdom is that you're better off not blocking access to such websites. Google it if you want. I work for a major international law firm, who aren't the most progressive types traditionally, and they unblocked facebook and youtube about 18 months ago. It's happening a lot.

Let people have their blinds the way they want them and let them access the internet. You'll have a much happier staff. Underperformers get fired.

How hard can that be? You're just pissing off the productive employees by treating them like children.

This is steering us in a different direction, though. If you want to discuss the positive or negative effects of making such moves, and whether or not it actually helps or not, we'd probably agree on a lot of aspects of it.

Here, though, this article and the responses to it are trying to claim that decisions like this are being made to be secretive, or to try and back up conspiracy theories. I just don't buy that.

Also, I know I'm the one who brought up the analogy, but if you want to discuss that subject in this way I'd have to say that online resources are quite different than something going on outside my window.

One of the reasons that unblocking the internet can be better is because they're actually valuable resources for employees to use to find information in an efficient manner. Watching football practice outside your window, though, isn't going to do that for you.

Also, I'm not saying that this IS the reason they closed the blinds. I'm just saying that there are plenty of reasons changes like this could be made that don't have to do with conspiracy. Hell, it could be the players getting distracted because some smokin hot chick works in there or something. Rather than bring attention to her they make everybody close their shit.

It could be anything, and I just don't think it's good ammo to use in articles like this.

Micjones
01-15-2012, 01:32 AM
Restricting access to certain sites is about more than just productivity.
An employee, left to his/her own devices, could probably get some pretty nasty shit in the wrong places on the Internet.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-15-2012, 01:34 AM
How much money is spent on coffee?

Boy I'd hate to work in a place like that.
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Cassel's coffee mug says "the best part of waking up is Pioli in my butt!"

KCrockaholic
01-15-2012, 01:34 AM
I bet Chiefsplanet is blocked at Arrowhead on everyone's computer BUT Pioli and Clarks.

Or maybe it's the other way around...

Smed1065
01-15-2012, 01:39 AM
Fuck him, Thats a Smed move. Get it right or move out. Step up or out. Or be mecca.

Phobia
01-15-2012, 01:39 AM
The last regime was secretive and nasty to the media as well... perhaps not to this level but I think they're all that way. When you're throwing millions at coaches, personnel, and facilities you spend millions to protect those investments.

Hog Farmer
01-15-2012, 04:30 AM
I run my Hog semen extracting facility in much the same manner. I hired a bunch of jerkoffs and crawl their asses if they spill anything.

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 05:09 AM
I'll start by saying that organizational change is really tough. It makes everyone uneasy, especially one where you're trying to get rid of an old regime. You've got a lot of workers who are stuck on old habits. A lot of the people who were uneasy or "turned over" probably deserved to be, if their work was low quality. So there's some very good stuff coming out of this. It's good that Pioli has that kind of attention to detail. From what I've heard, in the scouting process, he is incredibly thorough (Cassel aside, our personnel has largely improved). And it's good that they're running a results-oriented operation. I'm kind of curious if this is a carbon copy of the Pats organization, or if it's the Pats organization on steroids.

But while the change is in the right direction, it's gone way too far. I've never worked at Goldman, but I've never heard of anyone I know that's worked in an organization shrouded in that much secrecy. The fact that they comb over e-mails and phone records is an enormous invasion of privacy and trust, frankly, I don't know how or why anyone would want to work in that environment. Pioli can deliver that kind of a message harshly and sternly without having to resort to this kind of stuff. That's very small of him. That's a really bad thing when your organization has to spy on you because they don't trust you. If you don't trust them, they won't trust you.

And anybody knows that good organizational design is one that encourages collaboration and talking across functions. It seems that the environment is so toxic that they're not only keeping information from the media, they're also keeping information away from each other. That's really, really bad. What makes this worse is that no qualified employee is going to want to work in KC after reading stuff like this. And you'd have to think there's going to be a long line of fed up employees heading for the door. This sounds like a really, really toxic atmosphere.

So you have to take some of this with a grain of salt. A lot of it is just grumbling over a necessary change to increase accountability and there's some merit to the stuff they're doing. But they've pretty clearly taken it to the wrong extreme. You know, you never want to root for a losing season, but it's stories like this that almost make you want to see the team fail only because you know that's the only way we can force a regime change. Sad.

Superbowltrashcan
01-15-2012, 05:48 AM
The problems with a myopic management style such as this, and I know about it since I grew up in a household ran much this way and have had a boss or two that played out the same way, are pretty consistent and always eventually borne out: 1. Leadership focuses so much on details that, while important, don't effect the true end product. They simply effect external impressions of the process from others. 2. Those being managed in this manner will eventually find a counter-leader, mutiny, and having distanced themselves in every possible way from leadership have no problem falling on a sword for the cause.
Translation: pioli is A fascist. Stop giving them money... I stopped 2 days ago... Before I read this and now I feel validated...

the Talking Can
01-15-2012, 06:25 AM
pioli is a wet fart

which has been more detrimental to the chiefs:

someone not picking up a gum wrapper that pioli hid under a used condom, or Matt Cassel who Pioli hand picked and gave 60 millions dollars?

accountability is waiting for Pioli...in a dark alley, with a baseball bat...his day is coming

scho63
01-15-2012, 06:55 AM
"A runaway nun speaks ill of her convent."

I guess it was better when no one held them accountable and the team had people like Frank Ganz, Gunther, and other shit bum coaches running a team that didn't win jack squat.

Firing people is not a fun thing to do but if they are completing all the work now after firing all these other people, maybe the organization became bloated.

Plus Clark Hunt is a money hungry pr*ck!

Mojo Jojo
01-15-2012, 07:16 AM
I think the point posters are missing is that the people fired have Nothing to do with the product on the field. These are business, community relations, pr, stadium operations people...many of them were considered among the best in the NFL...othere teams sent there people to observe and learn from these people to make their teams better.

okcchief
01-15-2012, 07:26 AM
No matter how much you love the Arrowhead experience on Sunday DO NOT renew your season tickets. That's the only way Clark Hunt will understand. Vote with your feet.

KCUnited
01-15-2012, 07:48 AM
It's not his ego that's the problem, it's his insecurities. Pioli is on his treadmill reading this article and some Lamar era receptionist is going to have hell to pay as a result.

memyselfI
01-15-2012, 07:54 AM
So the sociopath Haley was paranoid? Wow, that is news. Likewise, the man in charge during the spy gate years is suspected of spying. Wow, that is news.

Captain Obvious would be impressed.

donkhater
01-15-2012, 08:02 AM
Personally, I think this story is a little sensationalized. You had an organization run by one of the nicest, humblest men in sports and while that doesn't mean that a team can't be successful with an owner like that, it does increase the likelihood of employees taking advantage of that affability.

In comes Pioli, who admittedly does seem like a severe micromanager, and the culture shock will be huge. Some people don't like change at all and will bitch and moan. I don't begrudge Pioli at all for showing those people the door. It would take more of his energy trying to convert them. I manage employees. I don't take a my-way-or-the-highway approach, but I do know that the 1-2 employees that are reluctant to adjust to what management wants consume more of my time than all the other people (10) combined.

htismaqe
01-15-2012, 08:04 AM
The last regime was secretive and nasty to the media as well... perhaps not to this level but I think they're all that way. When you're throwing millions at coaches, personnel, and facilities you spend millions to protect those investments.

Protect them from what? Are their egos THAT fragile?

tmax63
01-15-2012, 08:06 AM
Changing culture from the ground up in an organization is tough. I've worked for Uncle Sugar for 26 years, 12 in uniform, 14 in civilian clothes. In my time in uniform there were times I had to "change the culture". I have had changes in supervisors every year or 3 for the whole time. Accountability and attention to detail are tough to instill in employees who don't have it because it takes alot more work. I've seen areas where "good enough" was fine for years then all of sudden wasn't. Usually the people who are most paranoid and upset are the ones who have been just "getting by". They don't choose to understand and adapt to the fact that supervisors can change the standards employees are held to. Resistance to change is almost universal. Pioli was brought in to change the culture of the Chiefs. None of us here know where the Chiefs were or where they are going on that side of the house. Listening to and believing disgruntled employees and media as fact machines is a quick way to get mislead. I doubt they're doing anything illegal to the employees or they would of been busted for it by now. If they are then it will come to an end end quick enough.

tomahawk kid
01-15-2012, 08:34 AM
If Pioli put as much attention to detail into the roster as he does his subordinates, we'd be a pretty decent franchise.

Can't wait until this clown is fired. Eagerly anticipating 2032.

This. A billion times.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 08:38 AM
Yup the wrong person was fired this year Pioli is a joke.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 08:39 AM
When you’re mentally abused, you eventually lose it, too,” one former longtime Chiefs executive said


Right there is why haley played Palko .

ChiTown
01-15-2012, 08:43 AM
The leadership in this franchise is completely fucked up. I can't believe how utterly dysfunctional we continue to be. Our fans deserve so much better than these assholes.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 08:49 AM
Good Luck getting a real OC to come here with all this crap going on.

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 08:56 AM
I find it funny that a journalist would waste his time on this sort of thing, and I find it even more funny that those few of you who read the article post the negative quotes and comments for the others to read, but leave out the positive or indifferent stuff that just as many people said.

For every negative quote in the article there's another one from somebody saying it's no big deal and it doesn't bother them. Both from people who are still there and those who aren't. One even talked about how the same fears and feelings were evident when Peterson took over years ago.

New management took over. Some people were let go, and some people weren't. It happens everywhere with business, large and small.

The candy wrapper thing is nothing, but you guys are acting like Pioli is the devil because of it. I've seen that example of proving the "attention to detail" point in lots of business management books and I've heard it used at business conferences as well. It's supposed to illustrate how an entire team of people work together to ensure that every small detail is handled within an organization. The point is that if so many people are walking by a piece of trash in their work place and nobody ever picks it up, what other "trash" are they seeing and doing nothing about? It's a simple concept and was most likely used to spark the conversation in the meeting.

This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.

Translation: I'm going to cover my eyes, and stick my fingers in my ears.

What whole thing is blown out of proportion?

The fact that the Chiefs produce a shit product, hold employees accountable, but the GM and the quarterback are held to a different standard?

Mojo Jojo
01-15-2012, 09:04 AM
[QUOTE=tmax63;8297426 None of us here know where the Chiefs were or where they are going on that side of the house. [/QUOTE]
I do..Epic Fail to you...

donkhater
01-15-2012, 09:05 AM
I agree with DRU. This is blown out of proportion. So he closes the blinds to practice. Maybe he thinks employees will be distracted by the team practicing and not on the task they should be doing. I know I would be. So he orders the blinds closed so people can focus.

The wrapper is a classic example of proving your point about attention to detail by making a big deal of a little detail. I doubt Pioli spends his days wandering around the offices looking for wrappers on the floor.

I do know this. Organizations can be tough enough to run without people not buying into what needs to be done. If the boss man wants things done a certain way, then that's it. Look at the team Herm left. Yes it had some talent but it was fat and lazy and the result showed on the field. When Haley started he wanted players to get in shape and focus. Those that resisted that, got sent the door, but it seems as if everyone on this board was ok with that. What's the difference?

donkhater
01-15-2012, 09:09 AM
This team hasn't won playoff game in twenty years and people think its only because of the players and coaches we've had? The culture that is defined at the top of the leadership ladder trickles down to the product on the field. After 40+ years of not making it to the Super bowl, might it not be time to clean house a bit?

Dragonocho
01-15-2012, 09:10 AM
No matter how much you love the Arrowhead experience on Sunday DO NOT renew your season tickets. That's the only way Clark Hunt will understand. Vote with your feet.

Done. Even stood strong through the very persuasive Mitch Holthus Robot call. Are there any humans at that franchise anymore?

My SKC STH Account manager has called me no less than 5 times in the year Livestrong has been open. That franchise is running circles around the Chiefs.

memyselfI
01-15-2012, 09:16 AM
Done. Even stood strong through the very persuasive Mitch Holthus Robot call. Are there any humans at that franchise anymore?

My SKC STH Account manager has called me no less than 5 times in the year Livestrong has been open. That franchise is running circles around the Chiefs.



The absolute best thing that could happen for this franchise would be for the Hunt family to sell to a group of local business people who live in the city and care not only about WINNING football but the community.

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 09:17 AM
You first if so dedicated. If not die for us. Bedsides STFU. Not your field, idiot thought, or Just FU.

I actually feel sorry for you.

I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you've already probably tried that.

Maybe this year, you can work on complete sentences.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 09:17 AM
caplannflAdam Caplan
@kentbabb's story on Haley and what supposedly went on when he was with the Chiefs is fascinating. I just RT'ed it you didn't see it.



Nice the National media is picking up on this.

Messier
01-15-2012, 09:22 AM
This team hasn't won playoff game in twenty years and people think its only because of the players and coaches we've had? The culture that is defined at the top of the leadership ladder trickles down to the product on the field. After 40+ years of not making it to the Super bowl, might it not be time to clean house a bit?

We haven't won a playoff game in 20 years for many reasons. Some is due to the GM side, some on the coaching side, some is just bad luck, bad matchups, etc. For instance, if we'd have won the Raiders game, and won the division, I believe the the playoff winless streak would've ended this year.

What house cleaning are you suggesting? The only constant over the last 40 years is the Hunt family. Owners don't get fired, they sell the team, and that's not happening with Clark Hunt.

beach tribe
01-15-2012, 09:22 AM
When half of the former staff is gone, the other half is going to be paranoid as fuck that they are next, or pissed off and fueling this fire because they KNOW they are next.
Ray Farmer, who I see as a straight shooter, says it's over blown.
I'd be pissed too if some fuck I'm paying to keep the place clean, went a full week without cleaning the stairwell.
When Herm&Carl ware here, everyone wanted someone to clean this sloppy mess up. Now that you have it, you still cry like bitches.

donkhater
01-15-2012, 09:26 AM
When half of the former staff is gone, the other half is going to be paranoid as **** that they are next, or pissed off and fueling this fire because they KNOW they are next.
Ray Farmer, who I see as a straight shooter, says it's over blown.
I'd be pissed too if some **** I'm paying to keep the place clean, went a full week without cleaning the stairwell.
When Herm&Carl ware here, everyone wanted someone to clean this sloppy mess up. Now that you have it, you still cry like bitches.

This

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 09:26 AM
Yup the wrong person was fired this year Pioli is a joke.

Dude, get off your fucking Haley kick.

He's never getting another HC job. Ever.

Messier
01-15-2012, 09:26 AM
This tells me Haley was paranoid. Pioli is just a micro-manager.

beach tribe
01-15-2012, 09:30 AM
Translation: I'm going to cover my eyes, and stick my fingers in my ears.

What whole thing is blown out of proportion?

The fact that the Chiefs produce a shit product, hold employees accountable, but the GM and the quarterback are held to a different standard?

I'm going to get flamed, but Pioli has taken the talent that was here, and built a team that is a QB away from a long term SB window. If not for injuries, we win 10-11 games again.
Please tell me which QB we should have chosen. Mark Sanchez?
Seriously. I don't think Cassel gets another year with Romeo. I just don't.
I respect your opinion, and would really love to hear about the QBs that were available to us that you would have picked.

tomahawk kid
01-15-2012, 09:40 AM
Here's what's frustrating to me, and what this article brings to light - the depth on this team is for sh!t.

Maybe if the GM worried more about the talent on the field and less about coffee, doors used and gum wrappers, we'd be in the playoffs right now.

The Chiefs won't be getting my family's money this season for the first time in 18 years. The information presented in this article reinforce that decision, to me, 1000%.

milkman
01-15-2012, 09:40 AM
I'm going to get flamed, but Pioli has taken the talent that was here, and built a team that is a QB away from a long term SB window. If not for injuries, we win 10-11 games again.
Please tell me which QB we should have chosen. Mark Sanchez?
Seriously. I don't think Cassel gets another year with Romeo. I just don't.
I respect your opinion, and would really love to hear about the QBs that were available to us that you would have picked.

I know the question was intended for TBG, but how about Andy Dalton?

Jerm
01-15-2012, 09:45 AM
I would KILL for a Haley sit down, tell all interview right about now.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 09:49 AM
Dude, get off your ****ing Haley kick.

He's never getting another HC job. Ever.

Haley will be a HC in 2 years.

KCChiefsFan88
01-15-2012, 09:50 AM
Fat Scott and Clark need to hold themselves to the same level of accountability they are apparently holding everyone else in the organization to.

Bottom line, Fat Scott... you haven't done SHIT yet to prove you weren't anything more than a paper pusher for Bill Belichick. Accomplish something on your own first then you can act like a bully.

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 09:54 AM
Haley will be a HC in 2 years.

Based on what?

His game management skills?

KCChiefsFan88
01-15-2012, 09:54 AM
This is a great quote from a former lower level employee quoted in the article hat Fat Scott should burn into his brain:

He was so focused on what seemed like unimportant details for the general manager of a football team,” she said. “We all had to step to the beat of his drum, but we all kept questioning: ‘How is this building a better football team?’

FringeNC
01-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Reading this article makes me think Matt Cassel is not going anywhere as long as Pioli is here. Given how he preaches accountability, moving on from Cassel would be admitting a monumental failure that Pioli's ego cannot take.

-King-
01-15-2012, 09:56 AM
Reading this article makes me think Matt Cassel is not going anywhere as long as Pioli is here. Given how he preaches accountability, moving on from Cassel would be admitting a monumental failure that Pioli's ego cannot take.

I don't understand this. He fired Haley. Haley was the first hire Pioli made. Isn't that admitting a monumental failure? Especially firing him mid season?

beach tribe
01-15-2012, 09:57 AM
I know the question was intended for TBG, but how about Andy Dalton?

:drool:
Would have been nice.
Some scouts had Stanzi ranked as the same kind of prospect, and may well turn out to be.
If KC picks Dalton, he never starts a game here last season anyway.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 09:57 AM
Candy wrapper in stairwell this morning, expensive coffee in the machine. This franchise is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The parking lots are extended gutters and the gutters are full of barbecue sauce and when the drains finally congeal over, all the Chiefs fans will drown.

The accumulated filth of all their season tickets and playoff losses will foam up about their waists and all the true fans and drafturbators will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

Deberg_1990
01-15-2012, 09:58 AM
I would KILL for a Haley sit down, tell all interview right about now.

Will never happen. Guys don't burn bridges in the small fraternity of the NFL for fear of getting blackballed and never working again.

beach tribe
01-15-2012, 10:00 AM
I don't understand this. He fired Haley. Haley was the first hire Pioli made. Isn't that admitting a monumental failure? Especially firing him mid season?

The "ego can't handle such a mistake" bit it is one of the dumbest on this board, and that's saying a lot.

People here have let a butthurt whitlock schtick completely mold their opinion of our GM.

FringeNC
01-15-2012, 10:02 AM
I don't understand this. He fired Haley. Haley was the first hire Pioli made. Isn't that admitting a monumental failure? Especially firing him mid season?

It was failure, no doubt, but I don't think it was in the same league as Matt Cassel, given that Pioli had all types of insider information regarding Matt Cassel. Cutting ties with Cassel would strike to the heart of the aura that he is a player personnel guru.

mikey23545
01-15-2012, 10:03 AM
I run my Hog semen extracting facility in much the same manner. I hired a bunch of jerkoffs and crawl their asses if they spill anything.

That's not fair. Their mouths can only hold so much.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-15-2012, 10:04 AM
:drool:
Would have been nice.
Some scouts had Stanzi ranked as the same kind of prospect, and may well turn out to be.
If KC picks Dalton, he never starts a game here last season anyway.

Wake me on Dalton when he beats a winning team anyway.

FringeNC
01-15-2012, 10:06 AM
The "ego can't handle such a mistake" bit it is one of the dumbest on this board, and that's saying a lot.

People here have let a butthurt whitlock schtick completely mold their opinion of our GM.

Yeah, it sounds stupid, but all the other reasonable explanations as to why Matt Cassel is thought of as a franchise quarterback have been exhausted. Pioli is insane makes as much sense as any alternative explanation.

beach tribe
01-15-2012, 10:07 AM
Wake me on Dalton when he beats a winning team anyway.

This too.

Deberg_1990
01-15-2012, 10:07 AM
It was failure, no doubt, but I don't think it was in the same league as Matt Cassel, given that Pioli had all types of insider information regarding Matt Cassel. Cutting ties with Cassel would strike to the heart of the aura that he is a player personnel guru.

Really? Pioli had known Haley for years. Parcels who is Piolis Father in law personally recommended Haley. You don't think he knew Haley very well? You don't think that was A tough decision to fire him?

-King-
01-15-2012, 10:10 AM
It was failure, no doubt, but I don't think it was in the same league as Matt Cassel, given that Pioli had all types of insider information regarding Matt Cassel. Cutting ties with Cassel would strike to the heart of the aura that he is a player personnel guru.

Pioli knew Haley longer than he knew Cassel.
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beach tribe
01-15-2012, 10:12 AM
Yeah, it sounds stupid, but all the other reasonable explanations as to why Matt Cassel is thought of as a franchise quarterback have been exhausted. Pioli is insane makes as much sense as any alternative explanation.

I also think there has been an extremely limited amount of viable replacement options.
Stick with the devil you know.
I asked for a solution, and the only one I've gotten is Andy Dalton, who has proven jack, and that was after Crapple was coming off of a 27-7 PO season. Were we supposed to replace him with..........?

FringeNC
01-15-2012, 10:13 AM
Pioli knew Haley longer than he knew Cassel.
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He observed Cassel on a daily basis for years.

GloryDayz
01-15-2012, 10:18 AM
He can make a coaching point out of not "picking" up a wrapper, but when our DBs aren't "picking" off a pass, nobody's fired!

And none of it bothers me really - as long as everybody knows they ARE being watched and listened to and they have ZERO privacy in their workplace.

And last.....it must be good to be the king. If folks have been fired for things under the accountability heading, why not eat his own dog food. Will he walk away or make excuses? Do his players suck, or do they save too much money?

And in keeping with the smoke and fire theme... Where there's secrecy, there's rules being broken. I hope this article is a straw on the back of the Clark camel's back.

And it's not that I didn't want to see things blown up in this organization, unfortunately he needs to the blow up to be "up" (the chain) first to fix the real problem. He gets rid of the scum Hunt family and he'll have made his best fire yet.

FringeNC
01-15-2012, 10:19 AM
I also think there has been an extremely limited amount of viable replacement options.
Stick with the devil you know.
I asked for a solution, and the only one I've gotten is Andy Dalton, who has proven jack, and that was after Crapple was coming off of a 27-7 PO season. Were we supposed to replace him with..........?

Well there are better options out there now, as Orton has made clear. Trotting Cassel out there in 2012 is pure insanity. I hope you are right, and Pioli can admit his mistake with Cassel, but I am not hopeful after reading that article.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 10:19 AM
SI_JimTrotterJim Trotter

a must read from @kentbabb this morning: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14/3371495/arrowhead-anxiety-turnover-off.html


I bet pioli is pissed LOL

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 10:21 AM
SI_JimTrotterJim Trotter

a must read from @kentbabb this morning: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14/3371495/arrowhead-anxiety-turnover-off.html


I bet pioli is pissed LOL

Where did I read that Pioli runs on the treadmill or something like that reading all kinds of articles about him.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 10:27 AM
kentbabbKent Babb
KC Star: Anxiety at Arrowhead: A behind-the-scenes look at the working environment inside the Chiefs' front office. http://bit.ly/yoW0b6
11 hours agoFavoriteRetweetReply
Retweeted by @AdamSchefter


Adam Schefter is coming out man i love it........

OnTheWarpath58
01-15-2012, 10:31 AM
Where did I read that Pioli runs on the treadmill or something like that reading all kinds of articles about him.

IIRC, that was an interview with either Jeff Chahida or Mike Silver on 610.

Messier
01-15-2012, 10:36 AM
Pioli is really unpopular with the media, it goes beyond thinking he's bad at his job. It's a genuine dislike. He must be pretty bad to them. I take this into account when I read things about Pioli. If he were well liked, he could have made the exact same moves, and would be defended by the media. They use the only power they have, the ability to sway public opinion, against people they hate.

Iconic
01-15-2012, 10:36 AM
Nice.
An article that interviews disgruntled fired employee's about their boss...

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 10:39 AM
This is going to get real interesting. First of all, you can bet that there will be some big sports journalists looking deeper into this and trying to pry even more information out of these people.

Second, it sounds like the age discrimination suits are in full motion. Once that happens, you can bet that those involved in the suit are going to spill a lot of beans and that will happen under oath. And you can also bet that to build that case, their lawyers aren't going to stop at age discrimination. They're going to look for anything and everything that builds the case that the front office environment is toxic.

Probably a good chance that they settle. But maybe not.

DTLB58
01-15-2012, 10:42 AM
Really? Pioli had known Haley for years. Parcels who is Piolis Father in law personally recommended Haley. You don't think he knew Haley very well? You don't think that was A tough decision to fire him?

I still think Pioli was going to wait till the end of the season and Clark pushed the issue.

Messier
01-15-2012, 10:45 AM
I still think Pioli was going to wait till the end of the season and Clark pushed the issue.

I think you might be right. Pioli said he and Hunt had two discussions, one after the Jets game, and another the next morning. I think the second one was Hunt saying we need to do this now.

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 10:46 AM
I still think Pioli was going to wait till the end of the season and Clark pushed the issue.

This article makes you think pretty differently. To me, it sure seems like Haley was fired because that was a better option to him than resigning voluntarily. If he resigned, it sounded like he was ready to spill a lot of beans. If he got fired, they could force him to sign a bunch of non-disclosures.

I've been a vocal supporter of Haley and still stand by it. I think he has the upside to be a good coach but caught in a really toxic environment. Shame.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 10:46 AM
DannyParkinsDanny Parkins


And finally, the Chiefs provided eight current employees to do interviews for the story but not Scott Pioli? That speaks volumes.

Extra Point
01-15-2012, 10:47 AM
"This past year, Haley stopped talking on the phone and repeatedly checked his office for listening devices. After being fired, Haley didn’t respond to interview requests; many former staffers said they signed confidentiality agreements upon being let go."

Is that legal? Ordinarily, such agreements are signed upon hire. If I'm getting canned, why should I sign, except for a sizable severance?

Messier
01-15-2012, 10:50 AM
This article makes you think pretty differently. To me, it sure seems like Haley was fired because that was a better option to him than resigning voluntarily. If he resigned, it sounded like he was ready to spill a lot of beans. If he got fired, they could force him to sign a bunch of non-disclosures.

I've been a vocal supporter of Haley and still stand by it. I think he has the upside to be a good coach but caught in a really toxic environment. Shame.

I'm sorry, defiantly continuing to start Palko, knowing he is the worst QB on the roster, is something that should always come back to haunt Haley in the future. He absolutely had to go.

JASONSAUTO
01-15-2012, 10:54 AM
So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
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chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 10:54 AM
I'm sorry, defiantly continuing to start Palko, knowing he is the worst QB on the roster, is something that should always come back to haunt Haley in the future. He absolutely had to go.

Right. We should blame the coach because he chose the wrong option between a shitty QB or a rookie fifth rounder they deemed to be unready.

Lightrise
01-15-2012, 10:55 AM
I have worked in organizations at both extremes as well as in the middle, but I don't think corporate America, let alone the sports industry, has a sound grasp of motivation principles. It goes well beyond integrity and accountabilitiy and unfortunately focusing on those extremes accomplishes nothing but sucking the self esteem out of those caught up in it. This is what decision makers never seem to grasp. Ralph Nader once said, the rich are too rich in this country. Think about that, it accurately foretold by well over a decade where society was heading and the outcome has been far worse than anybody could have imagined. As Jon Huntsman recently said in a debate when Romney suggested it was more important to align with party than for country, "...it's attitudes like that dividing us..." The people are frustrated because they want to contribute in positive and rewarding ways but they are powerless to persuade ostructionists who can't see that by a losing a little you ultimately win a lot.

I've said before that I liked Haley and thought he got a raw deal overall, but I honestly do not think Pioloi will survive more than two more years. Hunt will then move more in his father's direction and settle somewhere in the middle where contentent finally leads to success.

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 10:56 AM
So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
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What do you mean? How do you walk out of this thinking Haley was anything but a victim?

Messier
01-15-2012, 10:59 AM
Right. We should blame the coach because he chose the wrong option between a shitty QB or a rookie fifth rounder they deemed to be unready.

Palko is more than shitty, he shouldn't have even make a practice squad. I mean it was really embarrassing that he was ever started. How can anyone know what Stanzi is until he gets in a game? My guess is he would have out preformed Palko.

prhom
01-15-2012, 11:01 AM
So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
Posted via Mobile Device

OR...Pioli got his hands on that fear toxin from the batman movie and kept piping it into Haley's office. Either way Haley comes off as being a little paranoid. What does it matter anyway if someone listens to your work calls.

JASONSAUTO
01-15-2012, 11:02 AM
What do you mean? How do you walk out of this thinking Haley was anything but a victim?
They tapped his personal cell phone? Come on man.
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ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 11:04 AM
OR...Pioli got his hands on that fear toxin from the batman movie and kept piping it into Haley's office. Either way Haley comes off as being a little paranoid. What does it matter anyway if someone listens to your work calls.

Against the Law not sure

Extra Point
01-15-2012, 11:04 AM
The Star will invest in a pair of clothespins for Babb and Mellinger, so they don't have to go at Arrowhead.

Messier
01-15-2012, 11:06 AM
Most will take from this what they already suspected. If you hate Pioli this will just fuel that. I'm still on the fence about Pioli, but what I know is he has no fans in the media, and they'll listen to anything Haley has to say, and they'll believe it because they want to.

CaliforniaChief
01-15-2012, 11:07 AM
This sounds more like an episode of 24 than the operation of an NFL team.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 11:08 AM
This sounds more like an episode of 24 than the operation of an NFL team.

It sounds like we're trying to root terrorist plants out of The Arrowhead Bureau of Investigation.

DTLB58
01-15-2012, 11:09 AM
When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt ****ing Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the ****ing quarterback of the team?

Pioli can ****ing die.

Couldn't agree more. They always talk at draft and TC time about how competition drives and makes everyone better.....except at the QB position apparently. :banghead:

Chiefnj2
01-15-2012, 11:16 AM
"Forbes downgraded the Hunt family for its five-year franchise value increase of just 3 percent and a five-year winning percentage of 36 percent."

Looks like Pioli's supreme secrecy plan is failing on and off the field.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 11:17 AM
Maybe Pioli will be Hunt's scapegoat!

Shit runs downhill, Scotty.

DTLB58
01-15-2012, 11:24 AM
Kinda of Ironic. I just took a break from reading the Steve Jobs book this morning to read this article and hey, Scott Pioli = Steve Jobs.

Both control freaks, treat their employees ruthlessly and reaching great heights with one company only to run another into the ground.

GloryDayz
01-15-2012, 11:24 AM
Against the Law not sure

Not illegal! If the employees are informed of the policy and any external party is made aware, it's totally legal. Some may not like it, but when things happen "under your nose" that you're questioned about later, then you start listening. we all get it with matters of national security, so this isn't quite that high, but if loyalty is a condition of employment, this is what happens. And with such a small amount of loyalty left in almost any market, you can understand why corporate America wants to know when folks aren't fully sold on the corporate plan any longer.

I still hate Hunt, not in love with Pioli, but I get it too.

My big thing, show me that everybody was told. if they were, STFU and work hard. And if it bothers you at all, don't sign anything on the way out the door, and let the world know the facts, not emotional opinions.

Next step, hold the GD players to the same standard. They should fear a dropped ball, missed block, missed tackle, poor throw, a fumble, of a dumb penalty. More than one, then expect to clear-out your locker. So far that's not the case.

Mojo Jojo
01-15-2012, 11:26 AM
One issue the story missed is that the Chiefs are facing a big Intellectual Property law suit too...Clark is going to be writing some big checks.

Messier
01-15-2012, 11:26 AM
"Forbes downgraded the Hunt family for its five-year franchise value increase of just 3 percent and a five-year winning percentage of 36 percent."

Looks like Pioli's supreme secrecy plan is failing on and off the field.

That is weighted down by the pathetic last two years of herm. Just saying.

GloryDayz
01-15-2012, 11:30 AM
When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt ****ing Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the ****ing quarterback of the team?

Pioli can ****ing die.

Clark is a pu55y! He's always going to hire somebody to be the bad guy. Plus, I suspect he's the person in the entire organization to be least likely to win a fight. Plus, and this is the real reason, he doesn't care. He's going to say he hired a hatchet man, and it didn't work. But like CP, they'll say that 20 years from now! That's some $150-200M from now. What's the rush! He can't be fired, he just rolls in money no matter how many wrappers are left in the stairwell.

The hunt family just sucks the root, they're here for the coin, and that'll always be their only motivating factor. And they want easy money - NO RISK!!

F*** Clark!

-King-
01-15-2012, 11:30 AM
DannyParkinsDanny Parkins


And finally, the Chiefs provided eight current employees to do interviews for the story but not Scott Pioli? That speaks volumes.

Wouldn't it speak even more volumes if it was pioli that did the interviews and not the employees? If it was a big deal like the article states it is, then employees would not be made available.
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Saulbadguy
01-15-2012, 11:30 AM
Fear will keep the AFC West in line...fear of this football organization.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 11:33 AM
Fear will keep the AFC West in line...fear of this football organization.

LMAO

What of the reports of the rebel Tebows, massing near Denver?

unlurking
01-15-2012, 11:35 AM
Lot of exaggeration and hyperbole here. First off, there's no way the Chiefs could legally tap any phones in the office, let alone personal cell phones. All they can do is check logs, which include the numbers and dates/times on the office phones. It's not legal to secretly record conversations in the building either. Of course they can read company email and track internet usage as well. This happens (or can happen) in most of corporate America, so why would an NFL team be any different?

I'm not saying Pioli/Hunt aren't mad scientist, evil whack-job, Nazis. I'm just saying that this article doesn't have enough legitimate information in it that can't be argues away as he said/she said or disgruntled employee complaints. Pioli sounds like a micro-managing asshole who I'd never want to work for, but I've known people like that to do some amazing things. Although they usually burn out quickly.

The Bad Guy
01-15-2012, 11:38 AM
The Chiefs could absolutely have the offices tapped with intercom systems and ways to hear what they are saying in private conversations in their offices.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2012, 11:40 AM
Babb gathers information for this story:

http://www.ghostprotocolmissionimpossible.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Mission_Impossible_I.jpg

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-15-2012, 11:41 AM
LMAOBabb gathers information for this story:

http://www.ghostprotocolmissionimpossible.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Mission_Impossible_I.jpg

notorious
01-15-2012, 11:44 AM
Some employees bitch, some adapt.


The employees that bitch usually blow things out of proportion.


But, for the life of me, I can not figure out that if Pioli has such an eye for detail, how can he be blind when it comes to Cassel?

unlurking
01-15-2012, 11:47 AM
The Chiefs could absolutely have the offices tapped with intercom systems and ways to hear what they are saying in private conversations in their offices.

Of course than can, technically, but it is ILLEGAL.

Voice recordings are illegal without a MINIMUM one party consent in the conversation. This is why all those nanny cam spy products are camera only. It is illegal to record a conversation where none of the participants are aware they are being recorded.

EDIT:
Obviously one way to get around this would be to inform all employees AND visitors (in case two are talking without an informed employee present) that there are listening devices scattered around the facility. If all employees and guests had been made aware of this fact, this would have been news years ago.

Stanley Nickels
01-15-2012, 11:51 AM
I really don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak, but to get sort of "meta" on this thread, I'm really impressed with the intelligent and thoughtful responses from both sides on here. This board isn't the biggest in the world, but the posters are generally very knowledgeable and insightful (for the most part).

Great thread.

tk13
01-15-2012, 11:58 AM
Of course than can, technically, but it is ILLEGAL.

Voice recordings are illegal without a MINIMUM one party consent in the conversation. This is why all those nanny cam spy products are camera only. It is illegal to record a conversation where none of the participants are aware they are being recorded.

I think the Haley stuff was hilarious because it's a bit paranoid. But that said, there are people in this organization that came from a place where they did pretty much anything to get information, including taping practices. And McDaniels still did it when he went to Denver. I wouldn't find it hard to believe they are a bit fanatical about this stuff. If you know you can do it to other organizations, you probably become paranoid about it happening to you.

notorious
01-15-2012, 12:00 PM
No wonder Haley looked like shit in interviews. Non-stop paranoia will wear a man down.

Mojo Jojo
01-15-2012, 12:00 PM
Lot of exaggeration and hyperbole here. First off, there's no way the Chiefs could legally tap any phones in the office, let alone personal cell phones. All they can do is check logs, which include the numbers and dates/times on the office phones. It's not legal to secretly record conversations in the building either. Of course they can read company email and track internet usage as well. This happens (or can happen) in most of corporate America, so why would an NFL team be any different?

I'm not saying Pioli/Hunt aren't mad scientist, evil whack-job, Nazis. I'm just saying that this article doesn't have enough legitimate information in it that can't be argues away as he said/she said or disgruntled employee complaints. Pioli sounds like a micro-managing asshole who I'd never want to work for, but I've known people like that to do some amazing things. Although they usually burn out quickly.
Get real it is legal to tap business owned phones. Has been done for years and has held up in court. Most business' do it.