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O.city
01-15-2012, 05:17 PM
This was brought up in the other thread.

There are going to be some enticing free agent qbs this offseason. There is a possibilty all those teams ahead of us who need a qb, will sign one of the free agents.

Who are the free agents this offseason and what teams are looking for a quarterback?

Since some are mistaking this as " I want the Chiefs to get one of these guys" I'll add this.

I am looking to see which FA's could go to teams ahead of us in the draft allowing RGIII or LUck to fall to us.

O.city
01-15-2012, 05:21 PM
Only ones that come to mind are possibly


Flynn
Orton
Campbell
Manning (maybe)

3rd&48ers
01-15-2012, 05:22 PM
McNabb

O.city
01-15-2012, 05:23 PM
I think Mcnabb is retiring.

chop
01-15-2012, 05:24 PM
According to nfltraderumors here are a few free agents:

Drew Brees
Alex Smith
Jason Campbell
Matt Flynn
Kyle Orton

Not sure if any are restricted free agents.

3rd&48ers
01-15-2012, 05:25 PM
Hell the Chiefs have the money to get Brees

That would be a helluva FA

O.city
01-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Don't see any way Brees gets outta NO

pr_capone
01-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Hell the Chiefs have the money to get Brees

That would be a helluva FA

He is King Cock in NO. Short of the GM fucking his wife... he is gonna end his career in NOLA.

3rd&48ers
01-15-2012, 05:27 PM
He is King Cock in NO. Short of the GM ****ing his wife... he is gonna end his career in NOLA.

Theres no loyalty in the NFL anymore, it's all about the $$$$

ChiefsCountry
01-15-2012, 05:27 PM
Brady Quinn
Shaun Hill

Mr. Laz
01-15-2012, 05:28 PM
According to nfltraderumors here are a few free agents:

Drew Brees
Alex Smith
Jason Campbell
Matt Flynn
Kyle Orton

Not sure if any are restricted free agents.Saints already have the tag ready to go for Brees
Smith - Meh
Flynn - after only 1 game?
Orton - if we want to switch Orton > Cassel and then get a young guy
Campbell - meh
Payton Manning - ?

O.city
01-15-2012, 05:29 PM
Laz, I don't want us to sign any of these guys. I'm hoping the Phins, Skins, and Browns do.

BigMeatballDave
01-15-2012, 05:32 PM
Brady Quinn
Shaun Hill

PRINT EM!

Mr. Laz
01-15-2012, 05:34 PM
Laz, I don't want us to sign any of these guys. I'm hoping the Phins, Skins, and Browns do.
because?

3rd&48ers
01-15-2012, 05:35 PM
Trade down, get somebodys 1st next yr

O.city
01-15-2012, 05:37 PM
because?

RGIII can fall to us.

Rooster
01-15-2012, 05:42 PM
Cooper Manning is still out there.

angelo
01-15-2012, 07:01 PM
What Happened to Dennis Dixon? He played some good games for teh steelers.
Would he be worth a shot?

Ang

Mr. Laz
01-15-2012, 07:04 PM
RGIII can fall to us.good for you ... keep the hope alive.


:D

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:04 PM
I keeping it going. Crazier shit has happened.

KC Tattoo
01-15-2012, 07:06 PM
Fuck FA QB

Damn. When is enough of suckledge?

Tribal Warfare
01-15-2012, 07:08 PM
21 posts without a Chase Daniel reference? For shame ChiefsPlanet, for shame!!!!!!!!!!

Direckshun
01-15-2012, 07:08 PM
Drew Brees, Saints -- no prayer
Matt Flynn, Packers -- franchised & traded
Alex Smith, 49ers -- no prayer

Kyle Orton, Chiefs
Jason Campbell, Raiders
Donovan McNabb, Vikings
Chris Redman, Falcons
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:08 PM
Apparently some don't fully read the OP.

I don't want a free agent for us, I want he teams ahead of us to take them leaving RGIII for us.

CaliforniaChief
01-15-2012, 07:09 PM
It's probably just me and a few others on here, but hearing the words "Free Agent Quarterbacks" makes me want to gouge my eyes out and eat them. Unless we're talking about backups.

BigMeatballDave
01-15-2012, 07:09 PM
Fuck FA QB

Damn. When is enough of suckledge?

We all agree but the assumption(reality)is Pioli will not trade up.

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:10 PM
Drew Brees, Saints -- no prayer
Matt Flynn, Packers -- franchised & traded
Alex Smith, 49ers -- no prayer

Kyle Orton, Chiefs
Jason Campbell, Raiders
Donovan McNabb, Vikings
Chris Redman, Falcons
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)

So you got Orton, Campbell, Young, Flynn, and possibly Manning.

Those 5 guys are likely starting somewhere next year.

Lets hope like hell it's Miami, Cleveland, and Washington.

BigMeatballDave
01-15-2012, 07:11 PM
Matt Flynn, Packers -- franchised & traded


I see you missed the thread on this.

Mr. Laz
01-15-2012, 07:13 PM
Drew Brees, Saints -- no prayer
Matt Flynn, Packers -- franchised & traded
Alex Smith, 49ers -- no prayer


I believe the packers aren't going to use the franchise tag on Flynn


Alex Smith ... dunno what Harbaugh really thinks. He could see room for growth with Smith or he could be just making the best of the situation.

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:14 PM
The 9ers, if I'm remembering correctly were pretty high on Kapernick. However with Smiths play it's gonna be tough to move on this offseason.

3rd&48ers
01-15-2012, 07:24 PM
Pick Boller, he is good at throwing to Chief players

lewdog
01-15-2012, 07:27 PM
RGIII can fall to us.

Not happening unless with offer him a nice cheese sandwich, or he gets caught with weed at the combine.......But probably the cheese sandwich.

KC Tattoo
01-15-2012, 07:29 PM
Apparently some don't fully read the OP.

I don't want a free agent for us, I want he teams ahead of us to take them leaving RGIII for us.

LMAO

Got me, I did not read full OP, but really Fuck the FA route. It's what we do man & or trade away draft picks for rejects. The notion or idea sets me off like no other.

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:31 PM
The draft order is

Colts
Rams
Viks
Browns
Bucs
Skins
Jags
Panthers
Phins
Bills
Chiefs
Seahawks depending on coin flip

Browns, Skins, and Phins are the only ones in front of us looking for a quarterback.

Say the Colts release Manning, he could go to the Skins as they would be willing to pay him a TON.

Miami might take a flyer on Orton, as they wanted him last year.

Browns could stick with McCoy or could look to bring in Flynn who will be in demand.

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 07:32 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Flynn, but I wouldn't mind throwing a big contract at him and then being aggressive over the next 3 years to bring in a good young QB to groom. Probably moreso than Orton, but I'd be okay with Orton too.

Unlike most people, I don't think the Chiefs should swing for the fences for a QB just because they have to. I think they need to swing for the fences for the right QB. And this year, I just don't think there are good enough QBs to swing for (that are within reach), unless Tyler Wilson declares.

notorious
01-15-2012, 07:32 PM
I could see SF trading Smith. His stock won't get any higher, and he's obviously a product of Harbaugh.

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:34 PM
If we aren't trading up to get a qb, we needa just resign Orton.

Put as many weapons around him and see what he can do. He put up good numbers in Denver having shit around him with a shitty defense.

Okie_Apparition
01-15-2012, 07:42 PM
Hoping to correct your failures by other club's ineptness
& distracting Pete Carroll with a shinny object on the way to the draft day podium
is just crazy enough it might work

Dayze
01-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Just watch...somehow RGIII falls to us and pioli trades down or takes an o lineman.

Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if that were to happen

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:45 PM
If RGIII is there when we pick, he's the pick. And if he is there and I'm Clark and Pioli is balking I pull rank and run to the podium.


How much do you think season ticket sales would skyrocket if we drafted the Heisman winning quarterback?

lewdog
01-15-2012, 07:46 PM
I think if we trade up to #9 where the Phins are at, it could be possible to get him there.

Okie_Apparition
01-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Heisman winner failure for no extra draft picks
whoa

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:47 PM
If he gets past the skins and browns, I'd be on the phone with the Panthers.

Okie_Apparition
01-15-2012, 07:48 PM
He already saw the The State Farm curse tonight

O.city
01-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Heisman winner failure for no extra draft picks
whoa

Am I convincing you he coudl be there at 11?

evolve27
01-15-2012, 07:51 PM
Am I convincing you he coudl be there at 11?

No way he falls down to us. I want it to happen though.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:02 PM
I don't think it's that impossible that he falls to us.


If he gets past the Browns and Redskins, I'd be on the phone with the Panthers to move ahead of the phins.

evolve27
01-15-2012, 08:04 PM
I don't think it's that impossible that he falls to us.


If he gets past the Browns and Redskins, I'd be on the phone with the Panthers to move ahead of the phins.

:drool:

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:06 PM
How amazing owuld it be if he fell to us and we didn't even have to give up any picks.


A draft of

RGIII
Reynolds
Fleener
Polk
bpa
bpa
bpa

Would be fanfucking tastic.

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 08:07 PM
If he gets past the skins and browns, I'd be on the phone with the Panthers.

Not only do I doubt RGIII will fall past those teams, I'd be surprised if those teams didn't trade up to get him.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:10 PM
Not only do I doubt RGIII will fall past those teams, I'd be surprised if those teams didn't trade up to get him.

Oh I feel the same way.


I'm basing all this on the fact that these teams could fill their qb needs before the draft.

I don't think Shanny will want to have to groom a new qb.

It's cleveland and Miami that scares me the most.

jd1020
01-15-2012, 08:13 PM
Oh I feel the same way.


I'm basing all this on the fact that these teams could fill their qb needs before the draft.

I don't think Shanny will want to have to groom a new qb.

It's cleveland and Miami that scares me the most.

So you think "Shanny" is going to continue to groom Rex Grossman, who is a FA, and hasn't done shit his entire NFL career?

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:14 PM
No, I think the Skins will overpay for Manning if he hits free agency.


They also might go after Vince Young. He would seem to fit taht system pretty well.

jd1020
01-15-2012, 08:16 PM
No, I think the Skins will overpay for Manning if he hits free agency.


They also might go after Vince Young. He would seem to fit taht system pretty well.

Not sure why Shanahan would overpay for a stonefeet brokeneck QB when he likes mobile QBs or an unstable VY when he could get RG3 for at least 4 years and cheaper.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:18 PM
Not sure why Shanahan would overpay for a stonefeet brokeneck QB when he likes mobile QBs or an unstable VY when he could get RG3 for at least 4 years and cheaper.

This is true.

However given the way Snyder has been in the past, I'd say that it coudl be an option that they go free agency.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:20 PM
In any manner jd, I'm not really as much on the RGIII bandwagon as I am the Luck one.

I really want that guy to be a Chief.

Chris Meck
01-15-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Flynn, but I wouldn't mind throwing a big contract at him and then being aggressive over the next 3 years to bring in a good young QB to groom. Probably moreso than Orton, but I'd be okay with Orton too.

Unlike most people, I don't think the Chiefs should swing for the fences for a QB just because they have to. I think they need to swing for the fences for the right QB. And this year, I just don't think there are good enough QBs to swing for (that are within reach), unless Tyler Wilson declares.

This is the most reasoned post on this subject I've seen. All up to the Tyler Wilson part. He needs to stay in school another year.

jd1020
01-15-2012, 08:36 PM
This is the most reasoned post on this subject I've seen. All up to the Tyler Wilson part. He needs to stay in school another year.

He is.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:38 PM
I was gonna say I thought I seen where he was staying in school next year.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:38 PM
Jd, what are your thoughts on trading a shitload to get Luck?

jd1020
01-15-2012, 08:41 PM
Jd, what are your thoughts on trading a shitload to get Luck?

I side with Pioli. Too many eggs to put in one basket.

Besides... He's not even available. The Colts couldn't be more obvious in their intentions.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:42 PM
I side with Pioli. Too many eggs to put in one basket.

I get that.

I just really wish we were in a spot to get the guy.

RustShack
01-15-2012, 08:42 PM
Happen every single year where a QB falls down the draft that everyone says there's no way he does. Hopefully its RG3 this year to us... or at least far enough down where we can trade up without parting with two first round picks.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:43 PM
So you think it's a given that the Redskins are taking RGIII?

jd1020
01-15-2012, 08:46 PM
So you think it's a given that the Redskins are taking RGIII?

I don't have any doubt in my body that Shanahan will draft RG3 if he's still on the board when the Redskins pick. I wouldn't even be shocked if he traded up in front of the Browns to draft him.

O.city
01-15-2012, 08:48 PM
Probably true.

He really fits that system pretty well.

I gotta say I've kinda come over to your side on RGIII. I think he's an intriguing prospect but he has alot more question marks and I don't think he is a can't miss guy.

I think the Luck stuff is probably pretty spot on. I've went back and watched alot of his stuff and he's pretty much the real deal. I'd love to somehow get him in a Chiefs uni if the price were right.

I do see the not giving up so much tho.

chiefzilla1501
01-15-2012, 08:50 PM
Oh I feel the same way.


I'm basing all this on the fact that these teams could fill their qb needs before the draft.

I don't think Shanny will want to have to groom a new qb.

It's cleveland and Miami that scares me the most.

Shanny would LOVE to have a QB that can bootleg out like Jake Plummer. Because his offense is designed around using the QB's athleticism to open up plays, I don't think he's as concerned about a learning curve. If Plummer can run the offense, RGIII as a rookie can too.

And there's no way Cleveland doesn't make an aggressive play to get him. Holmgren is a QB guru. Shurmur knows QBs. There's no way either thinks Colt McCoy is the answer.

NJChiefsFan
01-15-2012, 09:11 PM
Don't you think teams that possibly get an Orton or say a Manning are still likely to draft RG3 to replace them?

O.city
01-15-2012, 09:19 PM
I don't se why you would.

If you signed those guys you would want to put people around them to win right now.

NJChiefsFan
01-15-2012, 09:32 PM
I don't se why you would.

If you signed those guys you would want to put people around them to win right now.

Maybe so. I just don't think we can assume 100% that teams wouldn't still take RG3.

What would you do if you were sitting at #4 with RG3 there and had just signed Kyle Orton?

Valiant
01-15-2012, 10:04 PM
How amazing owuld it be if he fell to us and we didn't even have to give up any picks.


A draft of

RGIII
Reynolds
Fleener
Polk
bpa
bpa
bpa

Would be fan****ing tastic.

Even if he fell.. We would not select him, we are the Chiefs..

MoreLemonPledge
01-15-2012, 10:47 PM
Derek Anderson AND Brady Quinn. Recreate that Browns magic.

boogblaster
01-15-2012, 11:20 PM
If no Luck is there .. dont spend the money ......

WildTurkey
01-15-2012, 11:43 PM
Maybe we could coax Favre out of retirement.:evil:

JD10367
01-16-2012, 07:34 AM
Drew Brees, Saints -- no prayer
Matt Flynn, Packers -- franchised & traded
Alex Smith, 49ers -- no prayer

Kyle Orton, Chiefs
Jason Campbell, Raiders
Donovan McNabb, Vikings
Chris Redman, Falcons
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)

That's a sad list of washups, retreads, over-the-hills, and underachievers. So no matter if you follow the OP or interpreted it wrong as "who would the Chiefs like", the answer is the same: no one wants these bags of shit. The ONLY one available who doesn't outright suck is Orton, and even he doesn't impress that much.

There is no way RGIII makes it past the 2nd pick, never mind slips to the Chiefs. The Rams know there are plenty of teams out there who want him, and they will entertain offers to trade up and take the best one.

CoMoChief
01-16-2012, 09:59 AM
Gotta resign Orton. you keep Cassel and let them battle it out for the starting job (ultimately you give the nod to Orton, but at least it'd give Cassel something to work his ass for). You keep both QB's so that we're not put in a position like we were last season where we're starting a Palko or even Stanzi. I know a lot of people wanted to see him get some snaps, myself included, but look at what was left in the cupboard....Palko. Almost anyone would be better than Palko, so that's not saying much. Cassel is an expensive backup, but we can't do anything about the way Pioli handled that mess and awarded him a contract he didn't deserve. Just have to accept that fact. Besides, we have the money to pay both Orton and keep Cassel, and while MC is an expensive backup, and wouldn't normally have that much money invested in 2 players at that position, there's nothing wrong (in fact it's smart) with having a good solid insurance policy, which Cassel makes a fine backup IMO.

Why sign Orton and keep Cassel? If anything else it's because there isn't a better alternative out there.

The FA list is a VERY sad list of bums. Best one on that list is Orton, and Matt Flynn is just a stupid choice on all levels. Don't want to go down that "Cassel" road again where one QB plays well for a team for a handfull of games, then we sign him in the offseason and give him a contract he doesn't deserve. FA is a no go unless we resign Orton.

Peyton Manning. There are 2 major things w/ Manning. First, obviously his health. Is he going to be able to come back to his former self and for how long. He'll be 36 by the time we have next season's draft. Neck/Back/Spinal injuries are very serious. Will he retire after playing one season, 2? A health Manning IMO would give 2-3 more years of prime service, depending on the Oline he's behind, and yes more than likely the Chiefs would instantly become SB contenders for that short time period. But another thing is that there is just no way the Colts let him go without getting a shit ton in return. Would we have to give up Bowe? 2 first rd picks plus another first day pick (or more)??? Is that worth getting a SB when it could effect the team's future? I dunno, this franchise hasn't won shit in a awfully long time so that temptation is definitely there, but I think we can get to a SB without him, and without giving up the farm in the process. Personally I don't think it's worth it. What happens if he has neck troubles and decides to take his money and walk away and retire? That would be a shitty situation for the Chiefs.

This team isn't in the position to where it can just give up draft picks and go for the homerun so to speak. We're in fantastic shape with players 1-30, after that it's ****ing terrible, a major dropoff in talent on this roster. We saw that this past season when this team was plagued with injuries. This team desperately needs depth. It's that simple.

Drafting a QB in the first rd. Face it, there are 2 QB's that are worthy of drafting high in the first rd. Luck and RG3. After that the talent drops off dramatically. Say no to Barkley, Moore, Foles, Cousins, in the first rd. Personally (even though it's against the status quo)....I'd draft RB Trent Richardson, I know you can pluck RB off of trees, but he's a spectacular player and our running game was shit last season once Charles was out w/ his knee inj, and who knows if he's going to return to his former self. He's a small shifty back that requires a lot of cutting and exploding into that 2nd gear. Can his knee handle that? Richardson gives a fine backup option to Charles. Keep Battle for ST and McClain just needs to be on the field more. He's a fine player, but just didn't see the field all that much.

FA and Rds 2-7 go after OT, Interior OL, NT, S, ILB,

lcarus
01-16-2012, 10:02 AM
Matt Flynn will be a good QB for someone and I'm gonna laugh when we're stuck with Cassel still. I liked him before the game he had against the Lions.

Setsuna
01-16-2012, 10:13 AM
Where is the a free agents of 2012 thread where it lists all impact free agents at every position for us to discuss on? For instance, Safety Dashon Goldson (SF), is a free agent.

Chris Meck
01-16-2012, 10:20 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about Flynn. I do think it's completely a false comparison to say that Flynn=Cassel.

Just because he's a FA backup that sits behind a superstar doesn't equate them. They're different people, with different skillsets.

You don't know what you're going to get with Flynn, anymore than any of the rookies you might draft-except that he has played a little in actual NFL games and played well. It's an awfully small sample size, though.

3rd&48ers
01-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Oregon QB Darren Thomas declares for the NFL Draft.......

Setsuna
01-16-2012, 02:21 PM
Oregon QB Darren Thomas declares for the NFL Draft.......

Pat White/Brad Smith clone.

Deberg_1990
01-16-2012, 02:23 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about Flynn. I do think it's completely a false comparison to say that Flynn=Cassel.

Just because he's a FA backup that sits behind a superstar doesn't equate them. They're different people, with different skillsets.

You don't know what you're going to get with Flynn, anymore than any of the rookies you might draft-except that he has played a little in actual NFL games and played well. It's an awfully small sample size, though.

Smaller even than Cassel had before KC.
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whoman69
01-16-2012, 02:37 PM
I want no part of Matt Cassel and 2012 Chiefs going together. I'd rather put him on the trade block and see what we can get. I don't think its out of the realm of possibility for the Browns to be satisfied that Cassel gives McCoy some competition at QB or as a failsafe. I'd much rather re-sign Orton and see what we can get in the draft. I don't see Orton wanting to sign if Cassel is still here. Like many here, I wouldn't trust that Cassel is handed the job.

lewdog
01-16-2012, 02:43 PM
Oregon QB Darren Thomas declares for the NFL Draft.......

:facepalm: