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The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 08:19 AM
Gregg Williams has left the Saints to go to the Rams with Fisher.

Williams is just another name in the NFL. His schemes are garbage. How many times did he overload the right side against the 49ers?

Get ready for a whole lot of blitzin and a whole lot of offensive yards Rams fans.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-16-2012, 08:23 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10836425 Good read about it..


Now that the 2011 season is over for the New Orleans Saints, it's time to start looking ahead to next year. Perhaps the area that needs the most improvement is the Saints defense. Apparently, the players are not the only ones who may be different next year. Reportedly, Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is joining the St. Louis Rams.

In my opinion, history will be kinder to Williams than Saints fans are right now. In the immediate aftermath of the Saints 36-32 playoff loss to the San Francisco 49ers, Williams is taking most of the bullets. Late in the game, Williams' defensive unit somehow allowed 49ers QB Alex Smith to lead two TD drives.


Unlike what 31 other NFL teams would have done, Williams had the Saints blitzing will a late lead. Of course, this philosophy is what brought the Saints to the dance. If Williams had played prevent, the end result may have been the same, but in a different way. However, I can't blame Saints fans for being angry at Williams right now.


Unless Williams makes derogatory comments about New Orleans at a later time (a la Jeremy Shockey) I choose to focus on the positive when it comes to everyone who helped the Saints win Super Bowl 44. I'm not saying we should be content with one Super Bowl. I'm just looking at the whole picture as a Saints fan.


Remember, the Saints defense was so bad before Williams arrived that New Orleans actually had two non-winning seasons in 2007 and 2008. I still feel that Williams was forced to blitz so much to cover for a serious lack of NFL talent at linebacker and a perplexing inability of the defensive ends to generate pressure on opposing quarterbacks.


Williams coached under Jeff Fisher for years, so it's no surprise that he would be joining the Rams new head coach. I would love to see Mike Nolan replace Williams. Remember, Mike's father Dick Nolan was the first New Orleans head coach to have an 8-8 season.


However, Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis need to get together and figure out how to improve both the talent and production of the Saints defense. Perhaps the defensive line needs a new position coach. I definitely feel the linebackers need an upgrade. A decent defense is all that is stopping the Saints from returning to the Promised Land.


Patrick Michael was born and raised in New Orleans and currently resides in the Big Easy. As such, he is a lifelong, diehard New Orleans Saints fan. His highlight as a Saints fan was experiencing the magical Super Bowl season of 2009

TheGuardian
01-16-2012, 08:28 AM
For people who bitch about prevent defenses with a lead, they work more times than not. When you go man to man and a team is taking risks, you open yourself up to big plays like the Saints did.

A prevent defense generally does the job because it keeps everything in front of you. Blitzing and taking risks with the game on the line is generally a good way to lose. People should remember this game the next time they bitch about a prevent defense.

The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 08:31 AM
Williams is essentially Gunther. What a genius game plan. Go man to man on Vernon Davis late in the game.

The love this guy gets is astounding. (sorry, Mo).

The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 08:32 AM
For people who bitch about prevent defenses with a lead, they work more times than not. When you go man to man and a team is taking risks, you open yourself up to big plays like the Saints did.

A prevent defense generally does the job because it keeps everything in front of you. Blitzing and taking risks with the game on the line is generally a good way to lose. People should remember this game the next time they bitch about a prevent defense.

You do know, that there's a happy medium. You don't have to blitz every down at the end of the game, and you don't have to sit in prevent, right?

kysirsoze
01-16-2012, 08:32 AM
For people who bitch about prevent defenses with a lead, they work more times than not. When you go man to man and a team is taking risks, you open yourself up to big plays like the Saints did.

A prevent defense generally does the job because it keeps everything in front of you. Blitzing and taking risks with the game on the line is generally a good way to lose. People should remember this game the next time they bitch about a prevent defense.

The problem is how often teams go into prevent with more than two minutes on the clock and a one score lead. I don't think the Saints should have gone into prevent;they should have gone into zone.

kysirsoze
01-16-2012, 08:33 AM
Williams is essentially Gunther. What a genius game plan. Go man to man on Vernon Davis late in the game.

The love this guy gets is astounding. (sorry, Mo).

Not to mention he instructs his guys to take cheap shots. That's what he did when they won the Superbowl. Hell, he flat out said it in the press.

TheGuardian
01-16-2012, 08:34 AM
You do know, that there's a happy medium. You don't have to blitz every down at the end of the game, and you don't have to sit in prevent, right?

This is true. But the point is, coordinators have used a prevent for a REASON for years to the tune of success. When it does fail, it's not that often actually. It's just that people bitch about it when it does. It's far more safe to sit in a soft zone than to blitz and give up a big play to lose the game. Which is what happened over and over again at the end of the game.

kysirsoze
01-16-2012, 08:35 AM
This is true. But the point is, coordinators have used a prevent for a REASON for years to the tune of success. When it does fail, it's not that often actually. It's just that people bitch about it when it does. It's far more safe to sit in a soft zone than to blitz and give up a big play to lose the game. Which is what happened over and over again at the end of the game.


I agree with the bold, but it is unrelated to your defense of prevent.

Rams Fan
01-16-2012, 08:43 AM
Meh.

chiefzilla1501
01-16-2012, 08:44 AM
Not to mention he instructs his guys to take cheap shots. That's what he did when they won the Superbowl. Hell, he flat out said it in the press.

Then he and Fisher will get along just fine. This will easily be the dirtiest team in football.

kysirsoze
01-16-2012, 08:44 AM
Then he and Fisher will get along just fine. This will easily be the dirtiest team in football.

Ha. Absolutely.

Deberg_1990
01-16-2012, 08:51 AM
Saints have a defense that relied purely on getting turnovers. When that doesn't happen, you tend to lose. You can't always depend on getting turnovers to win games. At some point on defense you have to be able to shut people down without turnovers.

chiefzilla1501
01-16-2012, 08:55 AM
Saints have a defense that relied purely on getting turnovers. When that doesn't happen, you tend to lose. You can't always depend on getting turnovers to win games. At some point on defense you have to be able to shut people down without turnovers.

You have to wonder if there's a lot of truth to the idea that a quick strike passing team has to be surrounded by this kind of defense. Thing is, it's not like New Orleans has a ton of talent on the defensive side. It's possible that Williams knows that this is his best shot at winning. I just remember that in Washington, he had one of the stingiest defenses in the game.

Demonpenz
01-16-2012, 08:55 AM
I am good with throwing as much pressure at Alex Smith as possible. It is less frustrating to loose attacking, than to just sit there and take one up the rump.

Buehler445
01-16-2012, 08:55 AM
Ha. Absolutely.

The Faid say hi.

notorious
01-16-2012, 08:56 AM
Saints have a defense that relied purely on getting turnovers. When that doesn't happen, you tend to lose. You can't always depend on getting turnovers to win games. At some point on defense you have to be able to shut people down without turnovers.

Sounds familiar......like 2003 familiar......

kysirsoze
01-16-2012, 08:59 AM
The Faid say hi.

There are thuggish asshole teams, and there are dirty teams that either stay within the rules or know how not to get caught. The Raiders get caught constantly. Fisher teams usually don't. (Or at least not as much)

Cave Johnson
01-16-2012, 09:04 AM
Anyone who nicknames themselves "Dr. Heat" is a certifiable jackass.

kysirsoze
01-16-2012, 09:06 AM
Anyone who nicknames themselves "Dr. Heat" is a certifiable jackass.

Wait, he did that? Is he a tenor sax player or something?

Deberg_1990
01-16-2012, 09:11 AM
You have to wonder if there's a lot of truth to the idea that a quick strike passing team has to be surrounded by this kind of defense. Thing is, it's not like New Orleans has a ton of talent on the defensive side. It's possible that Williams knows that this is his best shot at winning. I just remember that in Washington, he had one of the stingiest defenses in the game.

Sounds familiar......like 2003 familiar......

Yea exactly. I think its extremely hard in todays parity game to build a top playmaking team on both sides of the ball. I think the NY Giants have the best all around team in the game right now.

Cave Johnson
01-16-2012, 10:00 AM
Wait, he did that? Is he a tenor sax player or something?

You're thinking of Dr. Teeth. ;)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/13/peter-king-gregg-williams-expected-to-join-fisher/

Direckshun
01-16-2012, 11:33 AM
Fisher
OC: Schottenheimer
DC: Williams

That's a pretty impressive set of coaches right there. I know "they all suck" and whatever, but kudos to the Rams for bringing in people at the very top of most people's short lists.

Phobia
01-16-2012, 11:36 AM
Williams is just another name in the NFL. His schemes are garbage.

MOHillbilly will eat your still-beating heart with a turkey baster and rusty salad tongs.

Brock
01-16-2012, 11:41 AM
Fisher
OC: Schottenheimer
DC: Williams

That's a pretty impressive set of coaches right there. I know "they all suck" and whatever, but kudos to the Rams for bringing in people at the very top of most people's short lists.

The team will be fundamentally sound, if nothing else.

Okie_Apparition
01-16-2012, 11:57 AM
They better have a better backup QB than Collins this time around
still think Bradford is every bit as brittle as a Bradford pear tree in an ice storm

PGM
01-16-2012, 12:26 PM
Fisher
OC: Schottenheimer
DC: Williams

That's a pretty impressive set of coaches right there. I know "they all suck" and whatever, but kudos to the Rams for bringing in people at the very top of most people's short lists.

What exactly has Lil Shotty done that is "impressive"? They are all just "names".

HemiEd
01-16-2012, 12:32 PM
Glad he is with the Rams, don't want him working for KC.

The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 12:33 PM
The more football posts Direckshun makes, the more I think he's a Chiefzilla dupe.

Chiefnj2
01-16-2012, 12:34 PM
MoHillbilly is going to kill people.

bowener
01-16-2012, 01:33 PM
His departure may actually make the Saints better next year.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 01:33 PM
I remember a few years back when half the board was screaming to get him here.

King_Chief_Fan
01-16-2012, 01:41 PM
Fisher
OC: Schottenheimer
DC: Williams

That's a pretty impressive set of coaches right there. I know "they all suck" and whatever, but kudos to the Rams for bringing in people at the very top of most people's short lists.

LMAO kudos for Shotty and Williams..LMAO

Chocolate Hog
01-16-2012, 01:42 PM
What a shitty coaching staff

-King-
01-16-2012, 01:43 PM
Superbowl contenders instantly with those coaches! /Gochiefs and kcchiefsdumbass50/50

eazyb81
01-16-2012, 01:59 PM
:popcorn:



patiently waiting for MOHillbilly's appearance.....

BCD
01-16-2012, 02:21 PM
Fisher
OC: Schottenheimer
DC: Williams

That's a pretty impressive set of coaches right there. I know "they all suck" and whatever, but kudos to the Rams for bringing in people at the very top of most people's short lists.

LOL Okay

The_Doctor10
01-16-2012, 02:58 PM
What a shitty coaching staff

I don't give a shit about the other two, but Gregg Williams is two years removed from a Super Bowl... How is he a shitty coach?

chiefzilla1501
01-16-2012, 03:16 PM
The more football posts Direckshun makes, the more I think he's a Chiefzilla dupe.

I don't think Williams is a bad hire. I don't think Fisher's a good hire and think Brian Schottenheimer is a horrible hire. I'm beyond glad this isn't our coaching staff.

BoneKrusher
01-16-2012, 03:24 PM
good choice for DC.
a Titan reunion in St Louis..

-King-
01-16-2012, 03:25 PM
I don't give a shit about the other two, but Gregg Williams is two years removed from a Super Bowl... How is he a shitty coach?

So is jim Caldwell.
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WhiteWhale
01-16-2012, 03:49 PM
Yes, Williams is a terrible DC.

/Kneejerk planet.

I guess Lebeau is a shitty DC too because his gameplan against the Broncos was shit.

Iowanian
01-16-2012, 04:01 PM
I think Williams is a good choice for the lambs.

What people don't think about is the reasons to blitz so much. If your secondary couldn't cover a hobo with a newspaper, possibly you decide to blitz more than normal to put pressure on the QB and give them less time to have to do the job they can't handle.

the Talking Can
01-16-2012, 04:03 PM
I don't give a shit about the other two, but Gregg Williams is two years removed from a Super Bowl... How is he a shitty coach?

Greg Robinson is on line 1 to answer that question...

The_Doctor10
01-16-2012, 04:07 PM
So is jim Caldwell.
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Williams won said Super Bowl. And his defense was a major reason the Saints were able to take the final step.

The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 04:32 PM
I don't think Williams is a bad hire. I don't think Fisher's a good hire and think Brian Schottenheimer is a horrible hire. I'm beyond glad this isn't our coaching staff.

How is Williams not a bad hire?

The guy has an inflated rep because he blitzes a lot. His schemes suck.

Did you not watch last Saturday's game?

He's Gunther Cunningham. Bring a ton of pressure, but fail to adjust.

Saints fans are having a party that's he's gone.

The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 04:34 PM
Yes, Williams is a terrible DC.

/Kneejerk planet.

I guess Lebeau is a shitty DC too because his gameplan against the Broncos was shit.

Let me know when a LeBeau defense finishes in the bottom third in the league in yards allowed.

Chocolate Hog
01-16-2012, 04:39 PM
How is Williams not a bad hire?

The guy has an inflated rep because he blitzes a lot. His schemes suck.

Did you not watch last Saturday's game?

He's Gunther Cunningham. Bring a ton of pressure, but fail to adjust.

Saints fans are having a party that's he's gone.

No way he's great. It was brilliant to put the slowest safety in the league on Vernon Davis.

BossChief
01-16-2012, 04:50 PM
He just sent a text to Darren Sharper

"thanks again!"

PGM
01-16-2012, 05:01 PM
He just sent a text to Darren Shawpah

" you da hardest hitting safety in da league!"

FYP

WhiteWhale
01-16-2012, 07:37 PM
Let me know when a LeBeau defense finishes in the bottom third in the league in yards allowed.
Okay

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1997.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1998.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1999.htm

Who was their defensive coordinator?

Talent > Scheme

The Bad Guy
01-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Okay

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1997.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1998.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1999.htm

Who was their defensive coordinator?

Talent > Scheme

Nice digging of stats from 13 years ago.

So you're saying that Williams doesn't have talent?

Did not having talent force him to play man to man coverage with a safety on just about the only deep receiving threat the 49ers have?

Williams has plenty of talent on that Saints defense.

WhiteWhale
01-16-2012, 08:05 PM
Nice digging of stats from 13 years ago.

So you're saying that Williams doesn't have talent?

Did not having talent force him to play man to man coverage with a safety on just about the only deep receiving threat the 49ers have?

Williams has plenty of talent on that Saints defense.

By all means, name me one elite game-changing player on the Saints defense, and I'll shut up. KC has more game changers than the Saints.

The best player they have is Vilma, and I don't think he's even top 10 at his position.

The Steelers have at least two guys who are arguably THE BEST in the NFL at their position.

One is not like the other.

Lebeau is successful when working with exceptional players. So is Williams.

Both have failed with average to below average talent.

These are the facts. Except my personal opinion on Vilma, which I do believe is correct. You are free to disagree.

MOhillbilly
01-17-2012, 11:59 AM
I've heard so much in the past 20+ years it just doesn't phase me when people express opinions on Gdub.

-King-
01-17-2012, 12:40 PM
Williams won said Super Bowl. And his defense was a major reason the Saints were able to take the final step.

Caldwell won a superbowl in the 2006 season.

Douche Baggins
01-17-2012, 12:42 PM
Hire a quality coach, and quality coaches follow.

Funny how that works.

Douche Baggins
01-17-2012, 12:46 PM
Williams as Titans DC: 12, 12, 15, 2

Williams as Skins DC: 5, 9, 27, 11

Williams as Saints DC: 20, 7, 13

He's Mike Fucking Ditka compared to guys like Gunther and Pendergast.

Two bad seasons out of 11.