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the Talking Can
01-17-2012, 02:56 PM
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/likely-first-round-pick-dre-kirkpatrick-arrested-for-marijuana-possession/

Dre Kirkpatrick arrested for marijuana possession Posted by Michael David Smith on January 17, 2012, 3:40 PM EST drekirkpatrick Former Alabama cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, who is widely viewed as a first-round prospect in this year’s NFL draft, has been arrested for possession of marijuana.

The web site for the Sheriff’s Office in Manatee County, Florida, lists Kirkpatrick as having been arrested at 12:48 a.m. today for possession of less than 20 grams of cannabis. He was released after posting $120 bond.

Kirkpatrick, who announced last week that he is leaving Alabama for the NFL, is considered one of the top defensive players in the class of 2012. The eight mock drafts posted at NFL.com all have Kirkpatrick going in the Top 10.

jd1020
01-17-2012, 02:57 PM
Be more worried about tobacco.

Chiefnj2
01-17-2012, 02:57 PM
3rd round steal

DJ's left nut
01-17-2012, 03:05 PM
3rd round steal

Damn right.

Though I will say that at some point, you can put too many potheads in your lockerroom.

I'd absolutely take him in the third, but at some point you want to pump the brakes on stacking your team with guys that slipped because they were too damn irresponsible to put that shit down for 3 months. Creating an clique of tokers is probably not the best way to go about building a ballclub...

Direckshun
01-17-2012, 03:07 PM
He'll be great in the 2nd if he falls that far, but there's simply no chance does.

SNR
01-17-2012, 03:08 PM
Damn right.

Though I will say that at some point, you can put too many potheads in your lockerroom.

I'd absolutely take him in the third, but at some point you want to pump the brakes on stacking your team with guys that slipped because they were too damn irresponsible to put that shit down for 3 months. Creating an clique of tokers is probably not the best way to go about building a ballclub...Hey, at least they're not candy wrapper slobs

DJ's left nut
01-17-2012, 03:09 PM
He'll be great in the 2nd if he falls that far, but there's simply no chance does.

Houston fell from a high-teens, low 20s guy to the middle of the 3rd, why is it impossible that this guy would fall to the low 2nd?

He's considered a better prospect than Houston, but by so much that his fall would be 1/2 as hard?

Dicky McElephant
01-17-2012, 03:11 PM
If he's going to fall.....it'll probably be to the late 1st-early 2nd range.

Johnny Vegas
01-17-2012, 04:13 PM
lets hope RGIII gets arrested for possession now.

DJ's left nut
01-17-2012, 04:45 PM
If he's going to fall.....it'll probably be to the late 1st-early 2nd range.

Early 2nd is an interesting question, is it not?

Let's say we're sitting at 12 in the 2nd and he's still there when the 5th spot comes up - do hope he slides and take him then? Do you deal a 4th rounder to move up and grab him?

Do you say "Nah - another Pacman Jones and I don't want this kid influencing Justin Houston" and pass on him altogether?

If he's there for us in the 2nd, I think I'd grab him and take my chances. I don't think I'd be willing to move a 4th to move up for him, though. There's been a lot of talent that has slid down into the 4th round over the least few years (3rd round especially, but that's a different topic). If you're a team that doesn't have to draft for need there, you can get some really quality players in the 3rd and 4th rounds - it's why the rich keep getting richer.

Urc Burry
01-17-2012, 04:48 PM
If we lose Carr, I would gladly take a flyer on him in the second

DJ's left nut
01-17-2012, 04:51 PM
If we lose Carr, I would gladly take a flyer on him in the second

If we lose Carr and use a 2nd rounder on replacing a 26 yr old corner that has developed #1 skills during his time in KC, I'll probably not give a wet fart about our 2nd round pick.

If Carr walks, it will be absolutely inexcusable. This kid would essentially be our Nickel and give us the best 3rd down defense in football. Given the fact that our DEs are essentially run-stoppers only, having a premier 3rd down defensive package or even a good 2nd and 10 package like that could be a perfect way to construct this defense.

htismaqe
01-17-2012, 04:52 PM
If we lose Carr, I would gladly take a flyer on him in the second

We better not lose Carr.

For any reason.

Dave Lane
01-17-2012, 05:01 PM
Losing Carr would be the final nail on Pioli for me. That or starting Cassel and I'm off the bandwagon probably for good.

Urc Burry
01-17-2012, 05:23 PM
Not saying I want to lose Carr, but it certainly is a possibility. In the end I think he gets extended, but you never know

Urc Burry
01-17-2012, 05:27 PM
LMAO
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?p=2358332#post2358332

Mr. Flopnuts
01-17-2012, 05:55 PM
If we lose Carr and use a 2nd rounder on replacing a 26 yr old corner that has developed #1 skills during his time in KC, I'll probably not give a wet fart about our 2nd round pick.

If Carr walks, it will be absolutely inexcusable. This kid would essentially be our Nickel and give us the best 3rd down defense in football. Given the fact that our DEs are essentially run-stoppers only, having a premier 3rd down defensive package or even a good 2nd and 10 package like that could be a perfect way to construct this defense.

We better not lose Carr.

For any reason.

Losing Carr would be the final nail on Pioli for me. That or starting Cassel and I'm off the bandwagon probably for good.

All of these. If Carr walks, I'm going to meltdown on an epic level. You don't let the hardest workers in football leave over money when you have our cap space and spend it on nothing. It's inexcusable and an indictment on Clark ten times more than Pioli.

JASONSAUTO
01-17-2012, 06:16 PM
All of these. If Carr walks, I'm going to meltdown on an epic level. You don't let the hardest workers in football leave over money when you have our cap space and spend it on nothing. It's inexcusable and an indictment on Clark ten times more than Pioli. this
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SNR
01-18-2012, 09:30 AM
LMAO
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?p=2358332#post2358332JFC. Does their board administrator not care about the forum looking like a piece of whale shit?

BossChief
01-18-2012, 10:08 PM
We better not lose Carr.

For any reason.

Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

Saccopoo
01-19-2012, 01:06 AM
Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.


Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

Urc Burry
01-19-2012, 12:05 PM
Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

In the past he has had trouble getting his head turned around..but this last year he has really stepped up and became a top 15 corner at the least

DJ's left nut
01-19-2012, 12:10 PM
Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

Had Pioli slapped Flowers deal in front of Carr at any point over the last 12 months, Carr would've taken it without blinking. Had he given him 80% of Flowers deal for most of that time period, Carr would have done the same.

If he tests FA and gets an insane deal that we choose not to match, it will be because Pioli badly fucked up the negotiation process prior to this and in the end lost all leverage in the matter.

If Carr leaves, it's an indictment on Pioli - period. And yeah, there are also circumstances where Carr staying could end up an indictment on Pioli. Frankly, Pioi's already dicked up the Carr discussions, all he can do now is mitigate the damage.

boogblaster
01-19-2012, 12:26 PM
at least he'll be ready for let-downs .. pot helps with that .. lol ......

Urc Burry
01-19-2012, 12:31 PM
Had Pioli slapped Flowers deal in front of Carr at any point over the last 12 months, Carr would've taken it without blinking. Had he given him 80% of Flowers deal for most of that time period, Carr would have done the same.

If he tests FA and gets an insane deal that we choose not to match, it will be because Pioli badly ****ed up the negotiation process prior to this and in the end lost all leverage in the matter.

If Carr leaves, it's an indictment on Pioli - period. And yeah, there are also circumstances where Carr staying could end up an indictment on Pioli. Frankly, Pioi's already dicked up the Carr discussions, all he can do now is mitigate the damage.
it was impossible to sign Carr during the regular season due to the 30%
rule...Thats not on Pioli

I think not 100% sure

Chiefnj2
01-19-2012, 12:31 PM
Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot.

No he doesn't.

Detoxing
01-19-2012, 12:33 PM
Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.


Carr isn't going to get 12-13 Million a year. Isn't that Reavis Money?

Carr should be getting 7-9 Million a year, which is perfectly manageable for this team.

Carr is a good CB, but lets not go overboard here.

DJ's left nut
01-19-2012, 12:39 PM
it was impossible to sign Carr during the regular season due to the 30%
rule...Thats not on Pioli

I think not 100% sure

My understanding is that things like completion/roster bonuses can kinda 'skirt' the 30% rule as they are not included in the computation of the 30% increase. EDIT: It appears that signing bonuses aren't calculated, but roster bonuses are. In either event, there are guaranteed dollars that can be given, generally up front, that aren't counted into the 30% rule and thus don't violate it.

Besides, Carr and Flowers were on substantially similar base contracts. Yeah, Flowers was a little more, but not exorbitantly so as a 2nd rounder. I don't believe Flowers contract would've complied with the 30% rule and his was inked in-season.

Why would extending Carr have violated it whereas extending Flowers didn't?

htismaqe
01-19-2012, 12:40 PM
Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

You're confusing Carr with the guy who already got his contract.

Carr is a clear #1 and superior to Flowers.

the Talking Can
01-19-2012, 12:54 PM
there is no excuse for not signing carr...none

plus I've been assured Clark has every intention of spending that big pile of cash he skies down in his backyard, so Carr isn't going anywhere...

Bump
01-24-2012, 06:30 PM
Weed should have no impact on their draftability. They should be encouraged to smoke weed, only at night when it's time for them to relax, I'm sure it would help them out a ton with the pain they endure and there is no safe pain killer other than weed.

jspchief
01-24-2012, 06:34 PM
Weed should have no impact on their draftability. They should be encouraged to smoke weed, only at night when it's time for them to relax, I'm sure it would help them out a ton with the pain they endure and there is no safe pain killer other than weed.

It's a pretty clear indication of how seriously they take their job.

Chiefnj2
01-24-2012, 07:18 PM
Weed should have no impact on their draftability. They should be encouraged to smoke weed, only at night when it's time for them to relax, I'm sure it would help them out a ton with the pain they endure and there is no safe pain killer other than weed.

Except for the whole illegality issue.

Nightfyre
01-24-2012, 09:42 PM
Weed should have no impact on their draftability. They should be encouraged to smoke weed, only at night when it's time for them to relax, I'm sure it would help them out a ton with the pain they endure and there is no safe pain killer other than weed.

There are numerous flaws in this statement:

1) Weed is not proven as a safe pain-killer.
2) Weed is proven to create ambivalence, which is not what you want in a football player.
3) Weed store THC in body fat. Football players are burning body fat during a game. Ergo, players are high during the game if they are weed-users.

JASONSAUTO
01-24-2012, 10:15 PM
You're confusing Carr with the guy who already got his contract.

Carr is a clear #1 and superior to Flowers.
This. Every motherfucking day.
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Nightfyre
01-25-2012, 09:28 AM
Carr is a better cover corner with better upside, but Flowers is a beast in run-support, which some of you apparently aren't considering.

the Talking Can
01-25-2012, 09:41 AM
There are numerous flaws in this statement:

1) Weed is not proven as a safe pain-killer.
2) Weed is proven to create ambivalence, which is not what you want in a football player.
3) Weed store THC in body fat. Football players are burning body fat during a game. Ergo, players are high during the game if they are weed-users.

did you get your science degree from DeVry?

BossChief
01-26-2012, 01:24 AM
Had Pioli slapped Flowers deal in front of Carr at any point over the last 12 months, Carr would've taken it without blinking. Had he given him 80% of Flowers deal for most of that time period, Carr would have done the same.

If he tests FA and gets an insane deal that we choose not to match, it will be because Pioli badly fucked up the negotiation process prior to this and in the end lost all leverage in the matter.

If Carr leaves, it's an indictment on Pioli - period. And yeah, there are also circumstances where Carr staying could end up an indictment on Pioli. Frankly, Pioi's already dicked up the Carr discussions, all he can do now is mitigate the damage.

This whole post is full of assumptions.

There is nothing to indicate that Pioli has fucked up the negotiations of any of this teams players.

In fact, quite the contrary is the truth.

DJ
Hali
Charles
Flowers

All got fair deals, indicating we have done what we needed to do and retain our own homegrown talent and continue to build on it.

There is nothing indicating that we are:

A) gonna lose Carr to free agency in a couple months

B) that Pioli has fucked up the negotiations

Carr was on a 1 year tender...unless he wanted to take a deal that averaged 4 million per year, we can't sign him till march.

I have no doubt that talks took place during the year and that he will be re-signed.

Von Dumbass
01-27-2012, 06:48 AM
The Donkeys #1 need this offseason is a #2 corner. If Carr hits free agency he will be signed by Denver.

rtmike
01-27-2012, 03:21 PM
The Donkeys #1 need this offseason is a #2 corner. If Carr hits free agency he will be signed by Denver.


You would have thought they learned their lesson with D. Carter. ROFL

Bump
01-28-2012, 10:36 AM
There are numerous flaws in this statement:

1) Weed is not proven as a safe pain-killer.
2) Weed is proven to create ambivalence, which is not what you want in a football player.
3) Weed store THC in body fat. Football players are burning body fat during a game. Ergo, players are high during the game if they are weed-users.

JFC

listopencil
02-02-2012, 03:21 PM
There are numerous flaws in this statement:

1) Weed is not proven as a safe pain-killer.
2) Weed is proven to create ambivalence, which is not what you want in a football player.
3) Weed store THC in body fat. Football players are burning body fat during a game. Ergo, players are high during the game if they are weed-users.

Were you high when you typed this?

listopencil
02-02-2012, 03:22 PM
The Donkeys #1 need this offseason is a #2 corner. If Carr hits free agency he will be signed by Denver.

MLB

Sofa King
02-03-2012, 03:44 PM
The Donkeys #1 need this offseason is a #2 corner. If Carr hits free agency he will be signed by Denver.

QB

jd1020
02-06-2012, 03:54 PM
Misdemeanor charges of marijuana possession against Alabama CB Dre Kirkpatrick were dismissed in a Florida court on Monday.
A projected top-25 pick in this year's draft, Kirkpatrick's stock is unlikely to be affected after the dismissal. Arrested on January 17 in Manatee County, Kirkpatrick was allegedly found to have 7.9 grams (0.28 ounces) of pot in his possession. The arrest occurred just five days after Kirkpatrick, a third-year junior, declared for the draft. Kirkpatrick claimed he did not know the marijuana was in friend Chris Rogers' car, and Rogers accepted the blame.

Chiefnj2
02-06-2012, 04:24 PM
Chris' bank account will magically increase by six figures sometime around late August 2012. It's a miracle.