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Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:17 PM
In case you were worried sick wondering what I thought.

Andrew Luck, Stanford ó We all know the story on Luck, his elite size, coaching, pro-style system, athleticism, character, accuracy and clutch-ness. Heís the real deal, and any idiot who comes out this offseason saying Luck is anything other than the best QB prospect to come out since Peyton Manning probably needs to whistle when he takes a crap so he knows which end to wipe. The most fascinating thing about Luck is that he makes his own playcalls, and not just the standard audibles either. His ability to understand complex playbooks and translate them into attack lines on another teamís defense in real time is peerless in college football. He will be a Colt by April. Projected round: 1.

Robert Griffin III, Baylor ó ďRG3″ comes with the most sizzle of any player in this yearís draft. He is incredibly entertaining to watch, and his physical abilities seem to be a direct download of Michael Vick in his current years now that the Eagles groomed Vick to be more a pocket passer. I think RG3 has a little more Cam Newton in him than he does Vick, despite his size similarity to the latter rather than the former. He is a pass-first QB who uses his amazing, unrivaled athleticism to get away from pressure. Heís going to make highlight reels in the NFL. My hesitation is that, for QBs, highlight reels arenít how you get to the Super Bowl. QBs need to be able, above all other things, to dissect defenses and hit windows. Iíve watched plenty of Baylor, but RG3 is often times not having to hit windows, but instead is breaking down a defense thatís entirely focused on containing his run game and hitting wide open receivers. That strategy wonít work in the NFL as effectively, and I think RG3 is a boom-or-bust. Thatís why Iím not totally in love with him as a prospect. Projected round: 1.

Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M ó I look at Tannehill, and I get excited. He is a good-sized (6í4, 220 lbs), powerful, mobile QB, with maybe the best arm in the 2012 draft. This past season, he was frequently a force to be reckoned with and had a few games that would have any scout drooling. His ability to run the ball when the situation calls for it isnít quite in Cam Newtonís stratosphere, but itís the best of any QB in this draft not named RGIII. Heís a treasure trove of talent when itís properly tapped into. Thereís just no guarantee that it can be tapped into. Tannehillís game is a lot like Christian Ponderís from 2011, and his fate will be a lot like Ponderís, as well. In a QB-starved league, he will get overdrafted in the first round for a team that desperately needs him to start right away. Tannehill is roughly as experienced as Mark Sanchez was when he declared, and is drastically less polished. Heís only played 20 games as starter, and played very poorly against almost all of his best competition. The complete lack of tape teams have on him could lead to the ill-informed decision to treat him as better than he might be. Iíd love Tannehill if I had a situation where I could stow him away for a year or two. The Chiefs, like most teams who will consider him in the first, are not one of those teams. Projected round: 1.

Nick Foles, Arizona ó Foles is, to my mind, the most likely to end up a Kansas City Chief if this team is insistent on drafting a QB of the future. (I do not personally believe the Chiefs will be drafting a QB, however.) Foles has flown under the radar for most of his career and will undoubtedly be there for the Chiefs to select atop the second round, should they take the priviledge. Foles played four years with mostly dreadful teammates in Arizona. As a result, heís had to single-handedly win games for Arizona, all the while throwing for a nearly 70% completion rate. Foles can make all the throws, challenges secondaries, and wins far more often than he loses when he does. He is a franchise-caliber 6í5″, 235 lbs, with a powerful arm and a short memory. Since the Chiefs have no shot at Luck or RGIII, they should consider an experienced fighter like Foles atop the second instead of the more inexperienced, erratic Ryan Tannehill. Projected round: 2.

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State ó The prospect Iím most high on, aside from Luck, is the incredibly impressive Weeden. Weeden has it all: his size and athleticism are Luck-like, he makes multiple reads, and almost always the smart reads. Heís accurate, takes care of the ball, and is incredibly clutch. He has a Drew Brees-like killer instinct; he loves putting the team on his back and pulling the trigger. Weeden has a couple things going against him: first, he will take a bit of a transition in the NFL, since OK State is not a pro-style system. Secondly, and this is devastating: he will be a 29-year-old rookie. If he were a 25-year-old rookie, heíd be flirting with the first round. If we were doing something crazy like acquiring Peyton Manning, and we werenít confident in Stanzi to back him up, Weeden would get my vote. I should mention that he out-dueled both Luck and Tannehill this year. Projected round: 3.

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State ó Drafting Cousins (6í3″, 200lbs) is the perfect way for an NFL franchise to say to its fanbase: we are completely uninterested in entertaining you. Cousins isnít a bad prospect, so to speak, but he has zero sizzle and doesnít exactly have the play or the look of a guy who is going to take you anywhere but a 6-10 record. He wonít be the guy to beat you ó only seven interceptions thrown ó but heís not a player the rest of the team can rely on to guide you to victory. Heís a future back-up game manager in the NFL, and thereís a very serious need for that in the league. The Chiefs themselves suffered for a month under Tyler Palko precisely because they didnít have that. But in a QB-starved league, heíll be way overdrafted because he has what draftniks call a ďhigh floorĒ: heís unlikely to bust. But heís just as unlikely toÖ Iím too bored to finish that sentence. Projected round: 3.

Case Keenum, Houston ó I donít expect to be liking Keenum for much longer, but boy, can he set the world on fire. Strap in: in Houstonís goofy offensive system in 2009 and 2011 (he was injured during the 2010 season), Keenum (6í0″, 210 lbs) threw for over 11,000 yards on 70 percent completion, 92 touchdowns and 20 interceptions (only five this year). You only see numbers like that once every decade, and that alone earns Keenum the benefit of the doubt. I havenít seen any games by Houston other than their bowl game against Penn State. Keenum threw for over 500 yards and three touchdowns. He is a cool, calculating machine who has mastered his system. I have no idea if that will translate to the NFL (thatís what the next few months are for), but itís worth a flyer. Colin Kaepernick was drafted in the second round by the 49ers despite Nevadaís goofy offensive system, so who knows. Projected round: 4.

Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Ė Osweiler is going to be a fad for people who peruse his measurables more than he is going to be any sort of NFL quarterback. Letís get this out of the way: Osweiler is hilariously tall, at 6í8″ and 240 lbs. Thatís actually pretty lanky more than it is muscle; by comparison Cam Newton is 6í5″, 250 lbs. And that size does translate in his play: he can see the entire field like a lighthouse, and has a very impressive arm. Heís super athletic, too, as heís been a basketball player much of his life. But they do not come any rawer than Osweiler. Iíve watched ASU plenty this year, and Osweilerís throwing motion will need to be completely re-done. As of now, it seems to take him two minutes to wind up and pitch it. Heís also got fewer starts than every other QB on the draft board, so youíre taking a leap of faith. But with somebody this fascinating, you just know somebodyís going to. Projected round: 5.

Dominique Davis, East Carolina ó Every year, people see incredible play out of a smaller school program quarterback and are convinced he can sleep his way up the NFL Draft. At this point, that guy will be Dominique Davis for this upcoming draft season. Davis is a decently sized (6í3″, 215 lbs) athlete with damn good accuracy (65+%) and the ability to blow minds from time to time. He is a gunslinger who isnít only willing to carry a team, he wants to carry a team. That shows in his fantastic touchdown numbers (62 over the last two seasons) as well as his excessive interception problem (34 in the same time span). Nonetheless, a lot of QBs need to be brought along slowly to build their confidence; Davis will more than likely need to have his ambition restrained in the first few years while he develops. Projected round: 5.

Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi Ė I love to hate on Southern Mississippi prospects. One always comes through the veins every other year. They are almost always low-round prospects with fascinating measurables, and you follow them a bit in the NFL to see if they pan out. Which they never do. So while Iím predisposed to hating on a guy like Davis (6í2″, 220 lbs), I think heís actually done a good job of avoiding the pitfalls of traditionally unpredictable, boom-or-bust types of his alma mater. Davis has started for four years, has routinely had a 60+% completion rate, a 3:1 TD-to-INT rate, and scrambled for over 1,000 yards. Thatís pretty good reliability, and it doesnít hurt that he is a good character guy as well. I think heís got legit backup potential in the NFL, so long as things check out. Heís considerably less raw than youíd think. Projected round: 6.

Kellen Moore, Boise State Ė Donít get me wrong, I liked Todd Reising, too. Moore reminds me a lot of him: a fiery leader who is incredibly popular in the locker room, but very, very physically limited. I havenít seen his 40 time, but he looks like the slowest QB in this draft class when he scrambles. Heís listed as 6í0″, 190 lbs, but even those numbers look way inflated. And his numbers in college have been phenomenal, but heís been playing largely inferior competition with legit NFL receivers for much of the time. Some team will take a swing on him in the late rounds, but heís somebody who will do you far more good on the scout team than on the field. Projected round: 6.

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin ó Wilson is a great prospect in the wrong era. The NFL is trending towards more bigger, more physically imposing quarterbacks who are capable of carrying a team on their shoulders should everything else on offense start sputtering. Wilson is my favorite late-round prospect because he is such a smart, accurate talent. His completion percentage during not just his time at Wisconsin (70%+) but at North Carolina State (nearly 60% with no supporting cast) is indicative of a player that can take care of ball. He has a good arm, not great, and plays his best when the situation calls for it. His biggest problem is that he is at least a couple inches shy of 6í0″, and he looks well short of 200 lbs. If I had to guess, Iíd say heís 5í10″, 190 lbs. At the very least, some team will bring him on as a practice squad developmental prospect. Projected round: 7.

Dan Persa, Northwestern ó I always have a soft spot for Northwestern, and I think Persa (6í1″, 210 lbs) may be the kind of QB that Scott Pioli would consider in the last round of the draft or even undrafted free agency. He is virtually the mayor of Evanstan, Ill., the home of Northwesternís campus, as his incredibly gritty performances call to mind some of Tebowís work over the past couple of years in the NFL. Like Tebow, he has a lot of the intangibles down and because of his poor team, has had to extend countless plays to invent something out of nothing. But unlike Tebow, heís actually got a pretty consistent throwing motion and is incredibly accurate (70+ percent completion percentage). Persa belongs on somebodyís practice squad or even on someoneís 53-man roster. Projected round: UDFA.

John Brantley, Florida ó Even under the guidance of Charlie Weis, itís hard to like what you see in Brantley. His completion percentage has hovered around 60 percent for most of his career, but heís just not an NFL QB. He has decent size (6í3″, 220 lbs) but he just isnít a playmaker. I know itís a defensive conference with the SEC, but when youíve only thrown 11 touchdowns in a season, youíre not the answer. Projected round: UDFA.

Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois Ė Harnish is still, to me, a total mystery. I never would list a guy from a small program like Northern Illinois but heís showing up everywhere so I feel like I have to at least list him for completenessí sake. I havenít watched any Northern Illinois, but I do see that Harnish (6í2″, 220) has some really great numbers: nearly 3,000 with 26 TDs this season, 5 INTS with nearly 1,500 on the ground with 11 more TDs. The problem, of course, is that heís from a really small program and has mostly played other really small programs. He faced off against Wisconsin this year, and that went as well as youíd expect it to, but whatís a guy to do? I donít see why anybody would draft him. Projected round: UDFA.

Both LSU QBs: Jordan Jefferson & Jarrett Lee ó This is not a reaction from the national championship game. Theyíre just both very bad quarterbacks. Projected round: UDFA.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:21 PM
My value picks:

Foles with our 2nd
Weeden with our 3rd (I know)
Austin Davis or Russell Wilson in the 7th

I also would look at Kellen Moore, but only in UDFA. Some team will love him in interviews enough to draft him, though.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:24 PM
Although I will say this: unless we really fall in love with someone or get outstanding value, I'd hold off on drafting a QB this season.

Next year, the QB talent will be much stronger, and the value much better.

This year's field reminds me too much of the current Republicans in the Presidential primary. You've got a couple guys that make sense, everybody else is just a turd that would need considerable polishing.

the Talking Can
01-19-2012, 01:28 PM
nice summary

given the drop off after Luck/RG3, QBs are going to be waaaaaay overvalued in this draft...wish I had seen Foles/Tannehill play more this year, i have no clue about them

Cousins reminds me a bit of Henne coming out of Michigan...

the Talking Can
01-19-2012, 01:29 PM
i like moore, but spot on with the reising comparison....

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:30 PM
given the drop off after Luck/RG3, QBs are going to be waaaaaay overvalued in this draft...

There's a logjam of QBs coming through in 2013 that will be 1st and 2nd round quality, IMO. No Lucks or RG3's, but a lot of guys with good potential.

If you're thinking Pioli's way, assuming the new OC has about as much power as the last three, we can roll with Cassel/Stanzi for one more year and find a potential franchise guy in the next draft.

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 01:31 PM
There is absolutely no reason why the Chiefs couldn't select Tannehill and have him sit for a year or two. Simply re-sign Orton as the starter, and guarantee him this job as of week 1 to get him to re-sign.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:34 PM
There is absolutely no reason why the Chiefs couldn't select Tannehill and have him sit for a year or two.

Because you'd have to burn a 1st to do it, and he has a dreadful floor. He could bust, hard.

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 01:34 PM
We'll put it off until next year. /'84-present

the Talking Can
01-19-2012, 01:34 PM
There is absolutely no reason why the Chiefs couldn't select Tannehill and have him sit for a year or two. Simply re-sign Orton as the starter, and guarantee him this job as of week 1 to get him to re-sign.

and I'm not against that at all, sooner or fucking later you have to try

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 01:34 PM
Because you'd have to burn a 1st to do it, and he has a dreadful floor. He could bust, hard.

And?

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:40 PM
We'll put it off until next year. /'84-present

Your accusation's bullshit. But you probably know that already, and are saying things because... well... it's better than not saying things. I guess.

I have advocated HOW MANY QBs for the Chiefs to take over the past few years?

I was on the Sanchez train. I was on the Clausen train. Et fucking cetera.

I'm just not on a QB train this year.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:42 PM
And?

Aaaaand I don't think he's worth a 1st. There's not nearly enough tape on him, and he's crapped his pants in most of his bigger games, and he's going to need time. I'd spend our 2nd on him, but he'll be overdrafted by then.

And it's worthless talking about anyway because Pioli's not going to draft a guy with only 20 starts. Although he has surprised before.

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 01:44 PM
Aaaaand I don't think he's worth a 1st. There's not nearly enough tape on him, and he's crapped his pants in most of his bigger games, and he's going to need time. I'd spend our 2nd on him, but he'll be overdrafted by then.

And it's worthless talking about anyway because Pioli's not going to draft a guy with only 20 starts. Although he has surprised before.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that he might fail in a big way, but this is the type of risk/reward candidate who would make absolutely perfect sense for the Chiefs with where they are as a franchise right now.

Miss? Definitely not the end of the world because you weren't absolutely counting on the guy to contribute. You're hoping, anticipating, but not counting. Big difference.

The Chiefs would have the luxury to take this risk right now.

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 01:46 PM
Your accusation's bullshit. But you probably know that already, and are saying things because... well... it's better than not saying things. I guess.

I have advocated HOW MANY QBs for the Chiefs to take over the past few years?

I was on the Sanchez train. I was on the Clausen train. Et ****ing cetera.

I'm just not on a QB train this year.

That post was not directed at you. Merely a statement about how it seems that the franchise has viewed the QB position.

There's always next year. Many of the posters on this board, however (yourself included), would handle things much differently.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:48 PM
Yeah, I'm not arguing that he might fail in a big way, but this is the type of risk/reward candidate who would make absolutely perfect sense for the Chiefs with where they are as a franchise right now.

Miss? Definitely not the end of the world because you weren't absolutely counting on the guy to contribute. You're hoping, anticipating, but not counting. Big difference.

The Chiefs would have the luxury to take this risk right now.

Fair point.

The other candidates at 12 overall are similarly uninspiring.

I'm convinced the Chiefs think they have to get a tackle this year, though. We do need a starting RT, but more importantly, we also need insurance in case Albert loses his mind and demands Willie Roaf money.

I do love Trent Richardson, but (a.) he won't fall to us, and (b.) his window is what, 5 years?

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 01:53 PM
I know I'll get slammed for undervaluing Belcher, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying to find an upgrade at ILB to pair with DJ at #12 overall.

Belcher certainly has a place on this team, but our LBs have the potential to be scary good if we were to add an elite player in the middle.

O.city
01-19-2012, 01:56 PM
It's possible that we could grab Hightower in the second.

We could get a RT and an ILB

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 01:59 PM
I know I'll get slammed for undervaluing Belcher, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying to find an upgrade at ILB to pair with DJ at #12 overall.

Belcher certainly has a place on this team, but our LBs have the potential to be scary good if we were to add an elite player in the middle.

You're going to get slammed, alright.

What true thumper does this draft have that warrants the 12 overall?

Hightower is as close as you get.

DJ's left nut
01-19-2012, 02:01 PM
Aaaaand I don't think he's worth a 1st. There's not nearly enough tape on him, and he's crapped his pants in most of his bigger games, and he's going to need time. I'd spend our 2nd on him, but he'll be overdrafted by then.

And it's worthless talking about anyway because Pioli's not going to draft a guy with only 20 starts. Although he has surprised before.

Here's why I'm willing to take a big risk with that 1st rounder - look at what we'd otherwise be getting.

Say we take Richardson - 1/2 the top 20 backs in the league last year were in some way, shape or form flyers. Lynch for a lousy draft pick, Bush for free, Foster undrafted, blah blah blah. It's really not that hard to find a good RB, especially a good complementary RB.

Say we take Rief to play RT - well Bryant McKinnie could've been had for nothing, the Gaither story is a dead horse at this point as well. Frankly, RTs are not too tough to find either if you just keep turning over rocks.

Where else would we look there? We're clearly content with the DEs, there are no LBs that would rate that high, I'm on record with my fury over the idea of taking a CB to replace the CB that we should never let walk. We're not going to grab another 1st round WR and the NTs that are likely to be available there just aren't that great. There are no BJ Rajii's this year.

Frankly, if we go after Tannehill and the guy busts hard, our opportunity cost given our needs this year isn't truly that high.

If there's ever a draft, ever a year, to take an extremely high risk on an extremely high reward player, it's this year's draft. We're not looking at passing on a surefire NT. We don't need to find a speed-rusher to take our defense up a step. We don't have a problem in the secondary (because, again, if Carr goes and we use a 1st to replace him, there will be murders). We definitely need an upgrade at RT, but that's a secondary spot that can be filled in the 2nd or 3rd - not like we're replacing our LT or anything.

At worst, we lose the luxury of having a fantastic backup RB in Trent Richardson. And like I said, RBs aren't that tough to find if you're willing to throw numbers at the problem. Don't you think the Saints are regretting the hell out of that Ingrahm pick right now? The pundits loved it, but they had enough numbers and enough versatility in the backfield through turning over stones that Ingrahm was a complete luxury item that ultimately yielded nothing when needed most.

The only thing I could see changing this would be if Bowe walks, we use the franchise tag on Carr and we go after someone like Kendall Wright to complement Baldwin.

This is the year to take that bold chance because the downside of abject failure really isn't that cataclysmic.

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 02:03 PM
You're going to get slammed, alright.

What true thumper does this draft have that warrants the 12 overall?

Hightower is as close as you get.

He's not a thumper, but he absolutely could be elite, provided he's able shed blocks effectively in a 3-4:

Kuechly

Probably a better fit in a 4-3, but the dude's a player.

DJ's left nut
01-19-2012, 02:05 PM
He's not a thumper, but he absolutely could be elite, provided he's able shed blocks effectively in a 3-4:

Kuechly

Probably a better fit in a 4-3, but the dude's a player.

He's redundant in this defense.

If we didn't have DJ, perhaps - that's the role he's best suited for.

He's not a good fit for Belcher's job in this defense and I'd be pretty damn irritated if we took him at 12.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 02:07 PM
Here's why I'm willing to take a big risk with that 1st rounder - look at what we'd otherwise be getting.

Say we take Richardson - 1/2 the top 20 backs in the league last year were in some way, shape or form flyers. Lynch for a lousy draft pick, Bush for free, Foster undrafted, blah blah blah. It's really not that hard to find a good RB, especially a good complementary RB.

Say we take Rief to play RT - well Bryant McKinnie could've been had for nothing, the Gaither story is a dead horse at this point as well. Frankly, RTs are not too tough to find either if you just keep turning over rocks.

Where else would we look there? We're clearly content with the DEs, there are no LBs that would rate that high, I'm on record with my fury over the idea of taking a CB to replace the CB that we should never let walk. We're not going to grab another 1st round WR and the NTs that are likely to be available there just aren't that great. There are no BJ Rajii's this year.

Frankly, if we go after Tannehill and the guy busts hard, our opportunity cost given our needs this year isn't truly that high.

If there's ever a draft, ever a year, to take an extremely high risk on an extremely high reward player, it's this year's draft. We're not looking at passing on a surefire NT. We don't need to find a speed-rusher to take our defense up a step. We don't have a problem in the secondary (because, again, if Carr goes and we use a 1st to replace him, there will be murders). We definitely need an upgrade at RT, but that's a secondary spot that can be filled in the 2nd or 3rd - not like we're replacing our LT or anything.

At worst, we lose the luxury of having a fantastic backup RB in Trent Richardson. And like I said, RBs aren't that tough to find if you're willing to throw numbers at the problem. Don't you think the Saints are regretting the hell out of that Ingrahm pick right now? The pundits loved it, but they had enough numbers and enough versatility in the backfield through turning over stones that Ingrahm was a complete luxury item that ultimately yielded nothing when needed most.

The only thing I could see changing this would be if Bowe walks, we use the franchise tag on Carr and we go after someone like Kendall Wright to complement Baldwin.

This is the year to take that bold chance because the downside of abject failure really isn't that cataclysmic.

All good points, and I'm on record against the Richardson pick. You also neglected to mention the awesome David DeCastro, but if we take a GUARD with a first round pick, I will flip out.

A tackle does warrant serious consideration, however. Particularly if we can get somebody like Reiff or Martin who can man both tackle positions (in my opinion, Reiff can, but Martin is a pure LT). It would be smart, cheap money to man the RT for a year, then use for leverage and/or insurance in case Albert holds out or whatever.

My favorite move, at this point, would be to trade down. I'm not usually a trade down hawk. But if we're capable of trading down, we get better value. Hell, we can probably get Tannehill still.

I don't know. You make good points.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 02:08 PM
He's redundant in this defense.

If we didn't have DJ, perhaps - that's the role he's best suited for.

He's not a good fit for Belcher's job in this defense and I'd be pretty damn irritated if we took him at 12.

Yup.

Keuchly is a bigger, stronger Donnie Edwards with just as much speed.

He'll cover everywhere for you, but he's not a offensive line-destroyer.

DeezNutz
01-19-2012, 02:09 PM
Need to wait post-combine, but I think there's a pretty good chance that Tannehill is off the board when we pick.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 02:10 PM
Need to wait post-combine, but I think there's a pretty good chance that Tannehill is off the board when we pick.

Might be. Especially if we are picking at 12, with the Seahawks right in front of us.

It would be a reach of Christian Ponder proportions if they did, however.

the Talking Can
01-19-2012, 02:19 PM
we really need to trade down if we aren't angling for a QB, and if we do then i don't really care who we take at least we'll have picked up some value...

Chiefnj2
01-19-2012, 02:31 PM
Keuchly is a bigger, stronger Donnie Edwards with just as much speed.



IMO, he's not that fast.

Direckshun
01-19-2012, 02:33 PM
IMO, he's not that fast.

He's everywhere all the time.

He's either fast, has superb instincts, or both.

O.city
01-19-2012, 03:33 PM
If all played our right, we could possibly come out of this years first two rounds with say Tannehill, Hightower, and say Reynolds.


IMO that would be a dynamite first two rounds, if played correctly.

veist
01-19-2012, 03:44 PM
I know I'll get slammed for undervaluing Belcher, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying to find an upgrade at ILB to pair with DJ at #12 overall.

Belcher certainly has a place on this team, but our LBs have the potential to be scary good if we were to add an elite player in the middle.

I've kinda been chewing on this and I almost wonder if they're sold on Hudson as a C, why wouldn't they be intrigued by DeCastro? Let me preface this with this isn't my preferred pick but its something I wonder if Pioli&Co are thinking about. You're talking about a guy that even at the PV of a G could still grade out as one of the top10 players in the draft.

Edit: Hah Direckshun beat me to mentioning DeCastro, I dunno if I'd flip out its certainly the least sexy pick possible though.

O.city
01-19-2012, 03:54 PM
Pick up Soliai, Grubbs or Nicks, Laron Landry in free agency.

Draft Tannehill at 11 if he is there. Get an extra second rounder. Take the best RT available, Hightower in the 2 and Foles wiht the extra 2 pick.

Nightfyre
01-19-2012, 04:12 PM
My QB Big Board:
1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Tannehill
4) Foles
5) Osweiler
6) Cousins
7) Weeden

Anything less than this really doesn't matter.

ChiefsCountry
01-19-2012, 04:38 PM
Chiefs are a team that has needs but they are not really big ones. Sans Quarterback which is always a given. If you look at the team is pretty much built for the most part, we just need to add and plug in a few holes and get depth. Our team build up is not one with a top 15 pick.

whoman69
01-19-2012, 04:50 PM
Don't want to overpay for Tannenhill, don't know much about Foles. Think Wilson might be a good late round pick.

O.city
01-19-2012, 05:56 PM
This quarterback class has really turned to shit.

I have no idea why someone like Wilson wouldn't throw his name in the ring this year. There is no way he is gonna overcome someone like Barkley on names alone and probably not Landry Jones.

Jones should have just came out htis year too.

Sorter
01-19-2012, 09:58 PM
Where we are sitting at this year and the crop coming out next year, I'd almost be okay with letting Cassel doom this team to the #3 pick next year.

Chiefnj2
01-20-2012, 06:54 AM
Where we are sitting at this year and the crop coming out next year, I'd almost be okay with letting Cassel doom this team to the #3 pick next year.

Why do you think next year's crop will be so good? Landry Jones, a typical overrated USC QB and Tyler Wilson?

jspchief
01-20-2012, 07:37 AM
Where we are sitting at this year and the crop coming out next year, I'd almost be okay with letting Cassel doom this team to the #3 pick next year.

The rest of the team is too good to see #3. Cassel will just doom us to 7-9 to 9-7

Tribal Warfare
01-20-2012, 08:51 AM
The rest of the team is too good to see #3. Cassel will just doom us to 7-9 to 9-7

if it's anything below .500 again next season you can wipe the slate clean again because a new FO will takeover with new coaches and personnel.

jspchief
01-20-2012, 08:54 AM
if it's anything below .500 again next season you can wipe the slate clean again because a new FO will takeover with new coaches and personnel.

No way. Crennel will get 2 years absolute minimum and it will have to be disastrous to only last 2.

Tribal Warfare
01-20-2012, 09:03 AM
No way. Crennel will get 2 years absolute minimum and it will have to be disastrous to only last 2.

I'm saying this due to Pioli going all-in on Cassel, Scott didn't have a backup plan since if this does happen that means Stanzi didn't get a chance and/or weren't a part of KC's future plans thus Pioli signed another pushover vet to make Cassel look good.

Detoxing
01-20-2012, 10:44 AM
No mention of Lindley? Fail. Dude has a better arm and pocket presence then most of those QB's you listed.

Frankie
02-06-2012, 11:25 PM
There's a logjam of QBs coming through in 2013 that will be 1st and 2nd round quality, IMO.

Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson,... who else?


I was on the Sanchez train. I was on the Clausen train. Et ****ing cetera.

I was kind of on the Sanchez train but after a trade down scenario. Never wanted Clausen. Guess I'm batting 500 with those two.

DJ's left nut
02-07-2012, 09:28 AM
Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson,... who else?



I was kind of on the Sanchez train but after a trade down scenario. Never wanted Clausen. Guess I'm batting 500 with those two.

Bray, Manual, Murray could all potentially be 1st round talents.

And there's always 1 more guy that emerges that isn't really on the radar prior to the season, if I were a betting man I would say that guy will be Logan Thomas coming out as a JR; great size and arm, performed nicely last season as a thrower and ran the ball well also.

There is a good chance that next years draft has 5 QBs better than the 3rd best QB in this season's draft.

This isn't a good year to draft a 1st round QB unless you have a shot at Luck or RGIII.

Direckshun
02-07-2012, 12:43 PM
This isn't a good year to draft a 1st round QB unless you have a shot at Luck or RGIII.

Weren't you JUST disagreeing with me earlier in this thread when I just said the exact same thing?

If so, that's a hell of a pivot you just did.

And you have to credit me with changing your mind. :D

DJ's left nut
02-07-2012, 12:51 PM
Weren't you JUST disagreeing with me earlier in this thread when I just said the exact same thing?

If so, that's a hell of a pivot you just did.

And you have to credit me with changing your mind. :D

JUST is probably sometime several weeks ago; the thread's been around while.

And yeah, I have changed my mind, but mostly because I've sold myself on the upside of Richardson while also being scared away by how raw Tannehill is.

Tannehill is still a guy that I'd probably be fine with them taking, but he's just so green that I don't think you're any better for taking him than you would be waiting to get a more developed prospect with the same upside in 2012.

Frankie
02-07-2012, 01:15 PM
Bray, Manual, Murray could all potentially be 1st round talents.

And there's always 1 more guy that emerges that isn't really on the radar prior to the season, if I were a betting man I would say that guy will be Logan Thomas coming out as a JR; great size and arm, performed nicely last season as a thrower and ran the ball well also.

There is a good chance that next years draft has 5 QBs better than the 3rd best QB in this season's draft.

This isn't a good year to draft a 1st round QB unless you have a shot at Luck or RGIII.
Thanks. Now I know what college games to catch next year. I have a feeling that the 2013 draft is the one in which we'll get go after a high round QB.

My favorite scenario though is IF Stanzi is given a chance to compete and actually pulls a Brady.

Sorter
02-07-2012, 09:42 PM
My own take is that apart from Luck and RG3, it is best to sadly wait for a QB next year, when Bray, Wilson, and Barkley are all available.

BigChiefFan
02-08-2012, 11:07 AM
Luck is definitely the cream of the crop.

I'm ambivilent on RG3. He's a heck of an athlete and makes some pretty passes. I just think he can be a bit erratic at times and he tends to lock onto receivers, at times. I'm also a little cautious of his frame withstanding the hits, he'll undoubtedly take in the NFL. He's a high-risk, high-reward type.

I sure would love to see the Colts keep Manning and trade the pick.

Chiefs bet the farm on Luck. 3 firsts, 2 seconds, plus whatever else it takes.

whoman69
02-08-2012, 04:31 PM
Luck is definitely the cream of the crop.

I'm ambivilent on RG3. He's a heck of an athlete and makes some pretty passes. I just think he can be a bit erratic at times and he tends to lock onto receivers, at times. I'm also a little cautious of his frame withstanding the hits, he'll undoubtedly take in the NFL. He's a high-risk, high-reward type.

I sure would love to see the Colts keep Manning and trade the pick.

Chiefs bet the farm on Luck. 3 firsts, 2 seconds, plus whatever else it takes.

That would be a hugely stupid moves by the Colts trading a franchise QB who could be there 15 years while hanging onto a 36 year old QB at a time when the franchise has to be rebuilding. It would also be an incredibly stupid move for the Chiefs to potentially give away 5 starters on your team and sell away the future of the franchise. If you have a starter with a career ending injury or lose one to FA, you've just sold any chance to get his replacement.

htismaqe
02-08-2012, 04:58 PM
That would be a hugely stupid moves by the Colts trading a franchise QB who could be there 15 years while hanging onto a 36 year old QB at a time when the franchise has to be rebuilding. It would also be an incredibly stupid move for the Chiefs to potentially give away 5 starters on your team and sell away the future of the franchise. If you have a starter with a career ending injury or lose one to FA, you've just sold any chance to get his replacement.

Yeah, I was going to say something but decided not to way in.

If the Colts were to keep Manning and trade Luck (or the pick), they're the dumbest franchise ever.

Frankie
02-08-2012, 05:47 PM
That would be a hugely stupid moves by the Colts trading a franchise QB who could be there 15 years while hanging onto a 36 year old QB at a time when the franchise has to be rebuilding. It would also be an incredibly stupid move for the Chiefs to potentially give away 5 starters on your team and sell away the future of the franchise. If you have a starter with a career ending injury or lose one to FA, you've just sold any chance to get his replacement.

Absolutamente.

BigChiefFan
02-08-2012, 06:09 PM
That would be a hugely stupid moves by the Colts trading a franchise QB who could be there 15 years while hanging onto a 36 year old QB at a time when the franchise has to be rebuilding. It would also be an incredibly stupid move for the Chiefs to potentially give away 5 starters on your team and sell away the future of the franchise. If you have a starter with a career ending injury or lose one to FA, you've just sold any chance to get his replacement.

When you have forty years plus of disappointment, you look for any gleamer of hope you've got at getting a franchise QB. I know it's high unlikely, but son of gun, if I won't enjoy the small window to dream of a franchise QB being drafted by the Chiefs.

whoman69
02-08-2012, 07:26 PM
When you have forty years plus of disappointment, you look for any gleamer of hope you've got at getting a franchise QB. I know it's high unlikely, but son of gun, if I won't enjoy the small window to dream of a franchise QB being drafted by the Chiefs.

I feel your pain. I started watching the Chiefs in 1970.

Frankie
02-08-2012, 09:50 PM
I feel your pain. I started watching the Chiefs in 1970.

:toast:

Same here. So I shouldn't feel like I AM the one who jinxed them as soon as I started being their fan.

Dave Lane
02-08-2012, 11:14 PM
Foles or Weeden for me if we can't make a deal to move up.

BigChiefFan
02-09-2012, 12:02 AM
Foles or Weeden for me if we can't make a deal to move up.Weeden is too damn old to hitch our wagon to and it's a shame, too because he actually has some talent. I want a long-term fix though, not Chris Weinke.

Dave Lane
02-09-2012, 07:50 AM
Weeden is too damn old to hitch our wagon to and it's a shame, too because he actually has some talent. I want a long-term fix though, not Chris Weinke.

He could easily be a QB for 6-8 years. Long term for the Chiefs seems like 2 seasons.

HemiEd
02-09-2012, 08:57 AM
:toast:

Same here. So I shouldn't feel like I AM the one who jinxed them as soon as I started being their fan.

3 of us, thought it was my fault.

suds79
02-09-2012, 10:04 AM
Luck is definitely the cream of the crop.

I'm ambivilent on RG3. He's a heck of an athlete and makes some pretty passes. I just think he can be a bit erratic at times and he tends to lock onto receivers, at times. I'm also a little cautious of his frame withstanding the hits, he'll undoubtedly take in the NFL. He's a high-risk, high-reward type.

I sure would love to see the Colts keep Manning and trade the pick.

Chiefs bet the farm on Luck. 3 firsts, 2 seconds, plus whatever else it takes.

Luck is dead to me. There is 0% chance he's dealt. And on top of that we'd have to outbid the rest of the league with picks.

0% chance. Not 5, not 2, zero. Might as well move on from him.

whoman69
02-09-2012, 03:05 PM
He could easily be a QB for 6-8 years. Long term for the Chiefs seems like 2 seasons.

6-8 would be longer than any QB has started here since Len hung up his spikes. I can't get over the feeling though that we get Matt Cassel as a rookie in that deal.

BigChiefFan
02-09-2012, 09:25 PM
Luck is dead to me. There is 0% chance he's dealt. And on top of that we'd have to outbid the rest of the league with picks.

0% chance. Not 5, not 2, zero. Might as well move on from him.

He could pull an Elway and refuse to play for the Colts. :p

Don't piss on my parade, bro. :evil:

Sorter
02-09-2012, 10:51 PM
Best hope as of now is to draft true fan style, and focus on getting a QB next year. If we trade down we will certainly have ammo to move up (Barkley, Wilson, etc)

Direckshun
11-01-2014, 01:13 AM
Pretty fun to read now.