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petegz28
01-20-2012, 08:36 AM
The chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona is refusing to testify before Congress regarding Operation Fast and Furious, the federal gun-running scandal that sent U.S. weapons to Mexico.

Patrick J. Cunningham informed the House Oversight Committee late Thursday through his attorney that he will use the Fifth Amendment protection.

Cunningham was ordered Wednesday to appear before Chairman Darrell Issa and the House Oversight Committee regarding his role in the operation that sent more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa Cartel. Guns from the failed operation were found at the murder scene of Border Agent Brian Terry.



The letter from Cunningham’s Washington DC attorney stunned congressional staff. Last week, Cunningham, the second highest ranking U.S. Attorney in Arizona, was scheduled to appear before Issa‘s committee voluntarily. Then, he declined and Issa issued a subpoena.

Cunningham is represented by Tobin Romero of Williams and Connolly who is a specialist in white collar crime. In the letter, he suggests witnesses from the Department of Justice in Washington, who have spoken in support of Attorney General Eric Holder, are wrong or lying.

“Department of Justice officials have reported to the Committee that my client relayed inaccurate information to the Department upon which it relied in preparing its initial response to Congress. If, as you claim, Department officials have blamed my client, they have blamed him unfairly,” the letter to Issa says.

Romero claims Cunningham did nothing wrong and acted in good faith, but the Department of Justice in Washington is making him the fall guy, claiming he failed to accurately provide the Oversight Committee with information on the execution of Fast and Furious.

"To avoid needless preparation by the Committee and its staff for a deposition next week, I am writing to advise you that my client is going to assert his constitutional privilege not to be compelled to be a witness against himself." Romero told Issa.

This schism is the first big break in what has been a unified front in the government’s defense of itself in the gun-running scandal. Cunningham claims he is a victim of a conflict between two branches of government and will not be compelled to be a witnesses against himself, and make a statement that could be later used by a grand jury or special prosecutor to indict him on criminal charges.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/20/federal-official-in-arizona-to-plead-fifth-and-not-answer-questions-on-furious/#ixzz1k0sefVJ1

HonestChieffan
01-20-2012, 08:50 AM
Holder needs to go. This will fester and get worse and be an issue Obama cannot defend in the election

petegz28
01-20-2012, 08:57 AM
If the guy really did nothing wrong and is being used a fallguy as his attorney claims then I'd say this needs to be pushed harder to find out WTF really happened?

FAX
01-20-2012, 09:00 AM
Unreal.

This entire deal is shockingly outrageous.

I can't wait for nothing to come of it.

FAX

talastan
01-20-2012, 09:41 AM
Unreal.

This entire deal is shockingly outrageous.

I can't wait for nothing to come of it.

FAX

Unfortunately Mr FAX I think you have it right. :shake:

BigChiefFan
01-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Yeah, hope you can believe in. Why isn't Holder being brought to justice? Enough of the crooks running the show. Time to start PUNISHING those traitors to our nation. Holder should be brought up on charges of treason.

Bewbies
01-20-2012, 09:53 AM
Anyone who thinks this stops at Holder is an idiot. This one goes all the way to the oval office. Be nice if the separation of powers actually worked on something like this to ensure an administration never tries something like this again.

BigChiefFan
01-20-2012, 10:04 AM
Anyone who thinks this stops at Holder is an idiot. This one goes all the way to the oval office. Be nice if the separation of powers actually worked on something like this to ensure an administration never tries something like this again.Who said this stops at Holder?

I said it would be nice if they prosecuted Holder.

Amnorix
01-20-2012, 10:13 AM
Anyone who thinks this stops at Holder is an idiot. This one goes all the way to the oval office. Be nice if the separation of powers actually worked on something like this to ensure an administration never tries something like this again.


Fewer things than we all think get elevated all the way to the top, given the sheer size of the Federal Government.

I speak only of the initial authorization of the program. After things started to go wrong, I have no doubt that the WH got involved.

CoMoChief
01-20-2012, 12:03 PM
Napalitano, Holder, all of these people involved should go directly to prison.


sad thing is.....no justice will be served on this issue. None what so ever.

whoman69
01-20-2012, 12:26 PM
Those pushing this hardest were ok with Iran Contragate.

blaise
01-20-2012, 12:37 PM
Those pushing this hardest were ok with Iran Contragate.

I guess that makes it all ok, then.

ClevelandBronco
01-20-2012, 12:44 PM
Those pushing this hardest were ok with Iran Contragate.

You're obviously a rare man of objective integrity. Do you think that both were a big deal, neither was a big deal, or one is a big deal and one isn't?

Try to focus on what was done, and not who is reacting to what.

ClevelandBronco
01-20-2012, 12:47 PM
I guess that makes it all ok, then.

...but you fuck ONE chicken...

ClevelandBronco
01-20-2012, 12:53 PM
...but you **** ONE chicken...

(I think it might be "one goat", but let's not use goat in case anyone is grieving the loss of a very casual acquaintance.)

blaise
01-20-2012, 01:13 PM
You're obviously a rare man of objective integrity. Do you think that both were a big deal, neither was a big deal, or one is a big deal and one isn't?

Try to focus on what was done, and not who is reacting to what.

My money is on: "This is just a little deal. That was a huge deal. So, let's pretend this deal is too small to care about."

petegz28
01-20-2012, 02:33 PM
It's beyond fucking hillarious that we can't get any answers about this. We know the Fed Gov was behind this yet they pretend like know one knew a damn thing. Holder should be charged as an accomplice like anyone else would be.

whoman69
01-20-2012, 04:11 PM
You're obviously a rare man of objective integrity. Do you think that both were a big deal, neither was a big deal, or one is a big deal and one isn't?

Try to focus on what was done, and not who is reacting to what.

I don't have enough info to know if this is a big deal and really nobody here does either.

We traded with our biggest enemy of the time during Contragate. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me, but nobody was interested in taking it to the top. Guess it all ended up with an admiral and Lt. Colonel running the whole operation. But nobody really cares about that.

I think its hypocritical for those who couldn't give two shits about Contragate wanting to take this one to the top. Sort of like Newt was the one most up in arms about somebody getting a bj.

petegz28
01-20-2012, 04:14 PM
I don't have enough info to know if this is a big deal and really nobody here does either.

We traded with our biggest enemy of the time during Contragate. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me, but nobody was interested in taking it to the top. Guess it all ended up with an admiral and Lt. Colonel running the whole operation. But nobody really cares about that.

I think its hypocritical for those who couldn't give two shits about Contragate wanting to take this one to the top.

Well you can dwell on what someone else did 30 years ago but the fact still remains our Fed Gov allowed firearms to cross the border illegally and a borger patrol agent was killed with one of said weapons. Perhaps you should explain to his family how Reagan had the whole Iran Contra diddy back in the 80's?

ClevelandBronco
01-20-2012, 04:37 PM
I don't have enough info to know if this is a big deal and really nobody here does either.

We traded with our biggest enemy of the time during Contragate. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me, but nobody was interested in taking it to the top. Guess it all ended up with an admiral and Lt. Colonel running the whole operation. But nobody really cares about that.

I think its hypocritical for those who couldn't give two shits about Contragate wanting to take this one to the top. Sort of like Newt was the one most up in arms about somebody getting a bj.

You, sir, are a sniveling pussy.

Tell the truth: You really don't want us to know enough to determine if this is a big deal.

FAX
01-20-2012, 04:44 PM
I don't have enough info to know if this is a big deal and really nobody here does either.

We traded with our biggest enemy of the time during Contragate. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me, but nobody was interested in taking it to the top. Guess it all ended up with an admiral and Lt. Colonel running the whole operation. But nobody really cares about that.

I think its hypocritical for those who couldn't give two shits about Contragate wanting to take this one to the top. Sort of like Newt was the one most up in arms about somebody getting a bj.

Personally, I think the "your mom is fatter than my mom" rhetoric has jumped the shark, Mr. whoman69.

The fact is that, if the citizenry continues to lower the standards of conduct and thoughtful policy at the Federal level (assuming they can actually get any lower), we are simply issuing a personalized, get-out-of-jail-free credit card to every elected official at all levels that never expires.

It's part of the subterfuge used by the two-party system that promotes and thrives upon mutual hatred. The system encourages each side to dissemble and deflect responsibility and outrage by comparing wrongs. The electorate is hardly more than animalistic at this point.

I continue to remind myself that, when the founders signed the DOI, each State was considered sovereign and, via the constitution, simply agreed to provide for a common defense. Over time, we have surrendered practically all legitimate, declared rights to a seemingly privileged elite occupying a centralized palace of inbred, self-serving aristocracy of sycophants who (rather than tell us to "eat cake") advise us to "take anti-depressants". Meanwhile, those who claim to care about politics spend their time trying to score points against the "other side" rather than raising the bar of accountability for all elected officials. Before long, we'll realize that we might all be better off simply overdosing on fluoride ... the ultimate in social engineering.

It's almost unimaginably foolish and sad.

FAX

stevieray
01-20-2012, 05:01 PM
I don't have enough info to know if this is a big deal and really nobody here does either.

We traded with our biggest enemy of the time during Contragate. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me, but nobody was interested in taking it to the top. Guess it all ended up with an admiral and Lt. Colonel running the whole operation. But nobody really cares about that.

I think its hypocritical for those who couldn't give two shits about Contragate wanting to take this one to the top. Sort of like Newt was the one most up in arms about somebody getting a bj.

shiny object doesn't shine.

dirk digler
01-20-2012, 06:33 PM
It's beyond fucking hillarious that we can't get any answers about this. We know the Fed Gov was behind this yet they pretend like know one knew a damn thing. Holder should be charged as an accomplice like anyone else would be.

Did you know about Operation WR? It started in 2006 and went on for a year and allowed hundreds and hundreds of guns walk into Mexico that have never been recovered.

It suggests to me that the ATF and Justice Department have been doing these kinds of operations for a long time to try to catch Mexican cartel members.

Bewbies
01-20-2012, 07:02 PM
Fewer things than we all think get elevated all the way to the top, given the sheer size of the Federal Government.

I speak only of the initial authorization of the program. After things started to go wrong, I have no doubt that the WH got involved.

I will find it, but it has come out that F&F was designed to create outrage so that the admin could toughen gun regulation. They broke the law, got someone killed and lied to Congress about it in order to take away our Constitutional rights.

This was sick, and there needs to be accountability so that future admins that want to take away our rights think twice.

Bewbies
01-20-2012, 07:06 PM
Did you know about Operation WR? It started in 2006 and went on for a year and allowed hundreds and hundreds of guns walk into Mexico that have never been recovered.

It suggests to me that the ATF and Justice Department have been doing these kinds of operations for a long time to try to catch Mexican cartel members.

This one was designed to create outrage to tighten gun laws.

Remember Obamas press conference with the Mexican president before this came out talking about all the American guns flooding into Mexico? And the lady that asked Obama about what he was doing about gun control and he said "we're working on it behind the scenes?"

Fast and Furious is the biggest scandal in a long, long time. Because its guns and not speech or religion, and because Obama is a D the media will not cover this at all.

Bewbies
01-20-2012, 07:16 PM
I found this..

http://www.bit.ly/uMciyx

Sorry, cant copy/paste worth a crap on my kindle.

trndobrd
01-20-2012, 09:00 PM
We traded with our biggest enemy of the time during Contragate. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me, but nobody was interested in taking it to the top. Guess it all ended up with an admiral and Lt. Colonel running the whole operation. But nobody really cares about that.



"First,let me say that I take full responsibility for my own actions and for those of my administration. As angry as I may be about activities undertaken without my knowledge, I am still accountable for those activities. As disappointed as I may be in some who served me, I am still the one who must answer to the American people for this behavior." (2:51)

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banyon
01-20-2012, 09:03 PM
Fewer things than we all think get elevated all the way to the top, given the sheer size of the Federal Government.

I speak only of the initial authorization of the program. After things started to go wrong, I have no doubt that the WH got involved.

I am surprised in recent months of learning how many things you would think the local AUSA's had discretion on (that I would in state court), but they actually have to clear with DOJ in DC.

dirk digler
01-20-2012, 09:12 PM
This one was designed to create outrage to tighten gun laws.

Remember Obamas press conference with the Mexican president before this came out talking about all the American guns flooding into Mexico? And the lady that asked Obama about what he was doing about gun control and he said "we're working on it behind the scenes?"

Fast and Furious is the biggest scandal in a long, long time. Because its guns and not speech or religion, and because Obama is a D the media will not cover this at all.

:facepalm:

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Ace Gunner
01-20-2012, 11:30 PM
so waterboard his cocky ass. what's the big deal /neo socialist militant moron

Bewbies
01-20-2012, 11:36 PM
:facepalm:

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No way. When its all said and done you will see this one goes all the way to your Lord and Savior's desk.

He will be long out of office and it will be quietly leaked on a Friday afternoon, but the day will come.

blaise
01-21-2012, 06:52 AM
whoman jumping to the Contra thing is sad. "Fast and furious? Um, um IRAN CONTRAGATE!"

Bewbies
01-21-2012, 12:10 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/jan/21/arizona-strikes-back-state-investigates-feds-over-/

whoman69
01-21-2012, 02:23 PM
You all can go fuck yourselves, truly. First thing you guys hear about this and it "Obama has to go down for this!" You're all fucking hypocrites that want to push this only because the other side is in the White House. The program started under Bush with operation Wide Receiver, but I don't hear anybody saying anything bad about what they did.

I haven't said anything about punishments for anyone. I believe in responsibility and punishment for wrong doing. The President and Holder have both said they did not approve the mission. But sure, shout out that Obama and Holder need to go down. The initial meeting to start Fast and Furious did not suggest gunwalking as a method, but was instead implements by ATF offices, most notably the Phoenix office, to obtain the goals sought out in the program. So let's go after the President because he's a Democrat. He's da debil.

So far the only thing that any of you has to go on is someone being tried for the crime and trying to deflect blame away from themselves. Big surprise there. Why is the guy taking the 5th instead of getting immunity?

Holder needs to go. This will fester and get worse and be an issue Obama cannot defend in the election

Yeah, hope you can believe in. Why isn't Holder being brought to justice? Enough of the crooks running the show. Time to start PUNISHING those traitors to our nation. Holder should be brought up on charges of treason.

Who said this stops at Holder?

I said it would be nice if they prosecuted Holder.

You guys keep listening to your heroes Ollie North and G. Gordon Liddy on fair and balanced Fox.

blaise
01-21-2012, 06:02 PM
whoman going full tard.

"FATS AND FURIOS! IRAN CONTRA!! IRAN CONTRRA G GORDON LIDDY!"

mlyonsd
01-21-2012, 07:41 PM
I think its hypocritical for those who couldn't give two shits about Contragate wanting to take this one to the top. Sort of like Newt was the one most up in arms about somebody getting a bj.

Conversely, you'd expect those that made a big deal out of Iran/Contra to have the same outrage over Fast and Furious. Unless of course they're hypocrites.

whoman69
01-21-2012, 09:22 PM
Conversely, you'd expect those that made a big deal out of Iran/Contra to have the same outrage over Fast and Furious. Unless of course they're hypocrites.

Sure there's outrage, but assigning that rage to the President without proof is something I'll leave for the rest of you.

stevieray
01-22-2012, 11:09 AM
Sure there's outrage

really? where is your outrage over this situation?

ClevelandBronco
01-22-2012, 12:03 PM
really? where is your outrage over this situation?

He's outraged that anyone would dare to question the Emperor and his court. Does that count?

blaise
01-22-2012, 01:11 PM
Sure there's outrage, but if there's something the other side did 30 years ago let's focus on that.

whoman69
01-22-2012, 03:59 PM
really? where is your outrage over this situation?

I can ask the same of you.

stevieray
01-22-2012, 04:52 PM
I can ask the same of you.

I don't blame you for not answering, considering the motivation.

mlyonsd
01-22-2012, 07:02 PM
Sure there's outrage, but assigning that rage to the President without proof is something I'll leave for the rest of you.Feel free to point out where I've blamed Obama.

mlyonsd
01-22-2012, 07:04 PM
I can ask the same of you.Should Obama fire Holder?

whoman69
01-23-2012, 04:17 PM
Should Obama fire Holder?

Any proof of his connection. There's certainly none in this piece.

whoman69
01-23-2012, 04:18 PM
Feel free to point out where I've blamed Obama.

You personally, no. But I did cite others who did with no objections from the monkey stand.