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orange
01-21-2012, 05:05 PM
You're assuming people are going to believe her one-sided account - which differs from what she's said before.
...

I presume you are hoping Gingrich wins the nomination so Obama can destroy him, or at the very least bloody Romney up a little more, but you have to concede that this issue could potentially destroy any remaining faint chance he had at the nomination.


4:52 PM – Today
Debbie Wasserman Schultz Stops By Gingrich Election Party
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), chair of the Democratic National Committee, stopped by Newt Gingrich's primary night party in downtown Columbia, causing a stir among reporters.

The Guardian's Ewen MacAskill spoke with the chairwoman. "I think if Newt Gingrich wins tonight it is demonstrative of the fact that the more people get to know Mitt Romney they do not like him," she said. "Why won't he come clean on his economic record at Bain and about his tax returns?"

When asked by the Atlantic's Molly Ball if she was there as a supporter, Wasserman Schultz responded, "Yes, absolutely!"

-- Mollie Reilly


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/assets_c/2010/09/newt1-thumb-440x307-24805.jpg

HonestChieffan
01-21-2012, 05:09 PM
I like her. She embodies the typical democrat voter

RINGLEADER
01-21-2012, 05:10 PM
Unfortunately, looks like the Dems may not be facing Romney after all. I can easily see Newt winning Florida if next week plays out like this week did, with Romney going milk-toast in the debates.

Newt will motivate the right more than Mitt would, but not sure if the Indies who currently hate Obama will see him as a realistic alternative or not.

Chocolate Hog
01-21-2012, 05:11 PM
Lol Republicans.

orange
01-21-2012, 05:20 PM
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was projected the winner of South Carolina's primary election on Saturday by MSNBC.

Going into the contest, the presidential contender was riding a wave of momentum and surged ahead of rival candidate Mitt Romney in the polls.

Romney scored a win in New Hampshire's primary election earlier this month. After the initial results came in following the Jan. 3 Iowa caucus, the former Massachusetts governor was believed to have won the Hawkeye State event by 8 votes. More than two weeks later; however, the final certified tally showed former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum finishing in first place.

Gingrich placed fourth in both New Hampshire and Iowa.

This is a developing story... More information to come...

La literatura
01-21-2012, 05:26 PM
That throws a wrench into it all. I guess it will be a longer fight.

orange
01-21-2012, 05:37 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/473546/thumbs/s-SC-PAUL-HQ-large.jpg
Ron Paul HQ

Pioli Zombie
01-21-2012, 05:40 PM
Did anyone hear Romney on Laura Ingraham yesterday telling her "of course thd economy has gotten better;Laura" the candidate is imploding.

FD
01-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Many votes for Herman Cain/Stephen Colbert? Fox hasn't mentioned anything.

RINGLEADER
01-21-2012, 06:00 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/473546/thumbs/s-SC-PAUL-HQ-large.jpg
Ron Paul HQ

ROFL

RINGLEADER
01-21-2012, 06:02 PM
Did anyone hear Romney on Laura Ingraham yesterday telling her "of course thd economy has gotten better;Laura" the candidate is imploding.

It's really weird too, because this past week he has seemed completely unprepared and created more gaffes while trying to play it safe.

If it becomes a race between Gingrich and Romney I think Newt wins, unless Romney can highlight Newt's past problems and get people to forget that he has less charisma than Al Gore.

"You should hear it when we win?"

"This race is getting interesting?"

"This is an exciting day for us?"

Romney. Meh.

orange
01-21-2012, 06:20 PM
... it's all part of the brilliant master plan!

COLUMBIA, South Carolina -- A senior Romney campaign official told BuzzFeed Saturday that he expects Newt Gingrich to beat them in the primary here -- but argued that the loss will make Romney stronger in November

"I think we're going to lose tonight, we could lose big," the aide said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "But I think it's been a terrible week for Gingrich and a great week for us."

From the former Speaker's demonization of Romney's business record, to his decision to indignantly deflect criticism from his ex-wife, the aide said Gingrich has ensured that he won't win the Republican nomination.

"There’s always been a space for a candidate who kind of channeled anger in this," he said. "It was Michele Bachmann, for a while it was Herman Cain. It’s just that Gingrich hasn’t grown."

By taking on Gingrich, whose national favorability rating currently stands at just 27 percent, Romney will look "more sane" to the general electorate, the aide said.

“When we go up against Newt, it helps us in the general election,” he said. “It’s not an ideological thing as much as judgment---the total gestalt of it.”

He added: "A lot of politics is patience, and picking your opponent."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/romney-aide-newt-win-will-help-mitt

mnchiefsguy
01-21-2012, 06:20 PM
John King is definitely on Newt's Christmas Card list now. His idiotic question set Newt perfectly up in the last debate, and gave Newt a significant boost.

orange
01-21-2012, 06:21 PM
It's the Total Gestalt, stupid!

RINGLEADER
01-21-2012, 06:22 PM
Ron Paul:

Because losing again is a great reason to be excited!!!

REVOLUTION!

Dave Lane
01-21-2012, 06:24 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/473546/thumbs/s-SC-PAUL-HQ-large.jpg
Ron Paul HQ

Did Paul drop yet? Or wasting more taxpayer dollars?

Dave Lane
01-21-2012, 06:26 PM
... it's all part of the brilliant master plan!

It’s just that Gingrich hasn’t grown."



His waistline sure has. He's going for the kcnut look

banyon
01-21-2012, 06:29 PM
Did anyone hear Romney on Laura Ingraham yesterday telling her "of course thd economy has gotten better;Laura" the candidate is imploding.

It was pretty bad. (at 8:55 on the video)


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Brock
01-21-2012, 06:30 PM
Ha ha. Wow.

Pioli Zombie
01-21-2012, 06:47 PM
The GOP is doing just what they did in 2008. They are going to nominate an old fossil that can't win a general election.

orange
01-21-2012, 06:49 PM
* picture expired - sorry *

Chocolate Hog
01-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Ron Paul:

Because losing again is a great reason to be excited!!!

REVOLUTION!

Yeah Newt Gingrich is going to change things.

Pitt Gorilla
01-21-2012, 06:53 PM
John King is definitely on Newt's Christmas Card list now. His idiotic question set Newt perfectly up in the last debate, and gave Newt a significant boost.If voters base their opinion on that exchange, they may actually be dumber than us Iowans.

banyon
01-21-2012, 06:54 PM
If voters base their opinion on that exchange, they may actually be dumber than us Iowans.

it was a terrible question "would you like to comment on that?"

the much better question would've been:

"Isn't it hypocritical for you to have been asking your wife for an open marriage while you were trying to impeach President Clinton for lying about an extramarital affair?"

Pioli Zombie
01-21-2012, 06:56 PM
If voters base their opinion on that exchange, they may actually be dumber than us Iowans.

Um, you're talking about an electorate that elected Reagan because he said "im paying for this microphone" and "there you go again"

Chocolate Hog
01-21-2012, 06:56 PM
If voters base their opinion on that exchange, they may actually be dumber than us Iowans.

I know we don't always get along but your political commentary is usually spot on.

Pitt Gorilla
01-21-2012, 07:04 PM
I know we don't always get along but your political commentary is usually spot on.Actually, now that you all are in the Big 10, you're not so bad. :)

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 07:20 PM
It was pretty bad. (at 8:55 on the video)


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Romney actually said something that was correct.

If Romney becomes the nominee Obama will run that quote to death

Pioli Zombie
01-21-2012, 07:21 PM
Gingrich didn't just beat Romney, he trounced him. This is huge. These 2 debates were indeed like Reagans "im paying for this microphone" destroying Bush 41.

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 07:26 PM
The dems have to be loving this..Gingrich unfavorable rating is above 50%

Pioli Zombie
01-21-2012, 07:31 PM
Newt thanked everyone except his wife. Rotflmao.

mlyonsd
01-21-2012, 07:34 PM
The dems have to be loving this..Gingrich unfavorable rating is above 50%Only 50?

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 07:40 PM
Only 50?

56% to be exact.

He makes Hillary seem likable :D

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 07:42 PM
I love this speech by Newt it is like sportshrink has taken over his body

mlyonsd
01-21-2012, 07:47 PM
56% to be exact.

He makes Hillary seem likable :DI think Romney finished 4th in SC in 2008 so I don't necessarily see this as a tide turning.

That said if Newt is the GOP candidate F'them, they deserve what they get for not looking forward. As of right now Newt has 0 chance of beating the chimp in charge.

Pioli Zombie
01-21-2012, 07:51 PM
Gingrich is in a zone. Romney has to be shitting his pants.

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 07:56 PM
I think Romney finished 4th in SC in 2008 so I don't necessarily see this as a tide turning.

That said if Newt is the GOP candidate F'them, they deserve what they get for not looking forward. As of right now Newt has 0 chance of beating the chimp in charge.

I suppose the difference between now and 08 was that he wasn't the favorite then but coming into the primary and even up to this week he was the favorite. I don't think that is the case now.

I don't think either Romney or Gingrich can beat Obama they are both unlikable people but at least Gingrich is authentic.

BucEyedPea
01-21-2012, 08:02 PM
South Carolinans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, after what was done to them in the Civil War they now identify with and love their enemy.
Afterall, it is the state of Lindsey Graham one of the biggest hawks and fascists in DC.

BucEyedPea
01-21-2012, 08:04 PM
I don't think either Romney or Gingrich can beat Obama they are both unlikable people but at least Gingrich is authentic.

Boy, there's a LOT you don't know about Gingrich. He's just as big a fraud as Romney—just in a different way. He's another Progressive. FDR is his favorite president because as Newt says he was very progressive as a governor of NY when times were good.

mlyonsd
01-21-2012, 08:04 PM
I suppose the difference between now and 08 was that he wasn't the favorite then but coming into the primary and even up to this week he was the favorite. I don't think that is the case now.

I don't think either Romney or Gingrich can beat Obama they are both unlikable people but at least Gingrich is authentic.

Romney is more likeable than Obama. Gingrich makes my skin crawl.

BucEyedPea
01-21-2012, 08:07 PM
I think both Romney and Obama are likeable, in different ways—but not Gingrich.

HonestChieffan
01-21-2012, 08:08 PM
How did RP do?

orange
01-21-2012, 08:10 PM
How did RP do?

His strategy of winning the Presidency without winning a single state ever remains in play.

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 08:24 PM
Romney is more likeable than Obama. Gingrich makes my skin crawl.

Nope it is not even close. Romney has an unfavorability rating of 53%. Obama is still well liked, over 60%.

New Pew Poll

Obama possesses political strengths at the start of his reelection year, notably a positive personal image. Large majorities say Obama stands up for his beliefs, cares about people like them and is trustworthy. And while perceptions of Obama's leadership have declined over time, on balance more say he is a strong leader than disagree. Obama's personal image is much stronger than GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney's when it comes to each man's favorability ratings with voters.

Little Change in Obama’s Personal Image

Obama continues to be widely viewed as a good communicator (78% say this phrase reflects their impression of him), someone who stands up for what he believes in (75%), warm and friendly (71%) and well-informed (69%). Somewhat fewer view Obama as someone who cares about people like them (61%) and trustworthy (also 61%). These impressions have changed little over the past two years.

VAChief
01-21-2012, 08:29 PM
Boy, there's a LOT you don't know about Gingrich. He's just as big a fraud as Romney—just in a different way. He's another Progressive. FDR is his favorite president because as Newt says he was very progressive as a governor of NY when times were good.

I took it to mean he is an authentic douchebag.

mlyonsd
01-21-2012, 08:35 PM
Nope it is not even close. Romney has an unfavorability rating of 53%. Obama is still well liked, over 60%.

New Pew PollI admit my location might skew my perception on reality.

I personally don't know anyone that would vote for Obama over Romney. Even all my democrat friends. Newt changes that...none of them would vote for him.

But you better be careful of what you wish for. With Obama's record I wouldn't want to be forced into a debate with Newt. What you are looking for in a candidate isn't the same thing an independent is, and they will determine the election.

Deberg_1990
01-21-2012, 08:50 PM
None of these chumps are beating Obama....it just doesn't matter.......sigh.

dirk digler
01-21-2012, 08:52 PM
I admit my location might skew my perception on reality.

I personally don't know anyone that would vote for Obama over Romney. Even all my democrat friends. Newt changes that...none of them would vote for him.

But you better be careful of what you wish for. With Obama's record I wouldn't want to be forced into a debate with Newt. What you are looking for in a candidate isn't the same thing an independent is, and they will determine the election.

If Newt is the nominee, which I still think is a longshot, he will do well in the debates but you are basically getting sportshrink as the candidate. That won't play well with the middle which shows with your friends.

But I don't think Romney would win either unless the economy gets worse because let's be honest he is a stick in the mud thinks I am better than you prick.

gblowfish
01-21-2012, 08:58 PM
Newt Wins! Newt Wins!
http://i43.tinypic.com/p7eye.jpg

suzzer99
01-21-2012, 10:31 PM
None of these chumps are beating Obama....it just doesn't matter.......sigh.

You can always pray for Europe to collapse and plunge the world into a depression. But it has to happen soon.

Direckshun
01-21-2012, 10:39 PM
Romney is more likeable than Obama.

Ha.

Taco John
01-21-2012, 10:57 PM
I kind of want to see Gingrich win just for the adventure of watching the GOP completely implode. Unfortunately, I'm afraid America would implode with it, so by that regard, I feel like Obama is a safer pick. I won't have any guilt voting for Paul if Gingrich is the nominee. Not that I would anyway, but voting against Gingrich is satisfying.

ROYC75
01-21-2012, 11:42 PM
I understand Newt is by far from perfect, any politician has their flaws with the public. Career politicians are generally lined up with baggage that makes them less desirable.

But FTR, can some of you please list the reason for your distaste on Newt. I would find it interesting to know what each of you dislike with him.

I for one understand the baggage, but I must admit that the wealth of knowledge he does possess would make him a person with a wide range of vision, wisdom and knowledge of knowing what has been tried and failed or succeeded. I mentioned in an earlier thread a while back that I thought Newt would win the nominee, that it was sad we didn't get better candidates to run again this time around.

Personally I wanted to see John Thune ,http://www.issues2000.org/senate/John_Thune.htm


Again, some of you please list your reasons why you do not want to see Newt win the GOP ticket?

Line'em up folks, let's list all of the reasons why you dislike Newt.

ROYC75
01-21-2012, 11:45 PM
I must say the exit polls are staggering to say the least .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/south-carolina-primary-jan-21/

Pawnmower
01-22-2012, 12:10 AM
Mountains out of Mole Hills

There is no possible way that Gingrich can win the nomination, I know the lefties would love it....I mean it is a funny prospect...personally I wouldnt care if he did, I would laugh at how badly Obama would destroy him.

The man is not fit for the office....ethics violations, laughed out of office, cheated on wives, open marriage allegations....the guy is an absolute sleaze and would be a sitting duck.

South Carolina and the Ultra Conservatives who believe ROmney is not quite conservative enough for them are just plain fucking crazy.

And back to the point, if YOU think Gingrich has a chance of winning the nomination YOU are fucking batshit crazy too.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 12:17 AM
Mountains out of Mole Hills

There is no possible way that Gingrich can win the nomination, I know the lefties would love it....I mean it is a funny prospect...personally I wouldnt care if he did, I would laugh at how badly Obama would destroy him.

The man is not fit for the office....ethics violations, laughed out of office, cheated on wives, open marriage allegations....the guy is an absolute sleaze and would be a sitting duck.

South Carolina and the Ultra Conservatives who believe ROmney is not quite conservative enough for them are just plain ****ing crazy.

And back to the point, if YOU think Gingrich has a chance of winning the nomination YOU are ****ing batshit crazy too.


Winning the nominations, not out of the questions due to who we had as running mates.I know the GOP would go nuts cause the D's would have a heyday with it. But I for one know that Newt could drive Obama in the ground in the debates, but that wouldn't be enough.

As far as winning the primary, I don't see that, even though Newt fared well in the I's in SC, as a whole in the country he would not.

La literatura
01-22-2012, 12:25 AM
I don't like Newt because he's an egotistical bully who would much rather see the government shut down than compromise with the opposing party.

I don't think he'd be a great leader or a great executive.

orange
01-22-2012, 12:55 AM
South Carolina and the Ultra Conservatives who believe ROmney is not quite conservative enough for them are just plain ****ing crazy.

As far as winning the primary, I don't see that, even though Newt fared well in the I's in SC, as a whole in the country he would not.

These Ultra Conservative clodhoppers in South Carolina have voted for every Republican nominee since 1980.

That includes reactionary far-right wingtards like Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush and John McCain.

In the words of one Willard "Mitt" Romney:

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/romneyad.png
no longer available on youtube

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 01:11 AM
These Ultra Conservative clodhoppers in South Carolina have voted for every Republican nominee since 1980.

That includes reactionary far-right wingtards like Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush and John McCain.

In the words of one Willard "Mitt" Romney:

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/romneyad.png
no longer available on youtube

So what you are saying is Newt Gingrich will be the next POTUS ? :Poke:

alnorth
01-22-2012, 01:17 AM
regarding the OP, I never, ever, in any way predicted that south carolina voters were smart or would avoid an idiotic result.

The people of south carolina are a bunch of dittohead retarded barking seals, nuff said. "Hell yeah, media iz bad, yu give it to em, newtie! woohooo!" *clap flippers and bark*

That does not mean Gingrich will win Florida or many further states.

alnorth
01-22-2012, 01:18 AM
however, that said, if Gingrich defeats Romney then the GOP deserves to get blown out. It may even be healthy, the stupid right-wing radio hacks who preach that the people will only vote GOP if they nominate the most conservative candidate would be humbled.

Really, south carolina? You voted for a guy on his 3rd wife, who (allegedly) asked his 2nd wife for an open marriage, who like Perry attacked Romney for being a "vulture capitalist", sat with Pelosi to chat about global warming, believes in open borders, was ousted by his own party in the house in a revolt, and faced a still-sealed still-unknown ethics violation that was so compelling that a majority of republicans who knew the details of the ethics report voted to reprimand Gingrich, THAT is the guy you think can beat Obama?

Maybe Romney will ultimately fail, but Gingrich's stupid ass will get blown out.

orange
01-22-2012, 01:18 AM
regarding the OP, the people of south carolina are a bunch of dittohead retarded barking seals, nuff said. "Hell yeah, media iz bad, yu give it to em, newtie! woohooo!" *clap flippers and bark*

That does not mean Gingrich will win Florida or many further states.

Before you give Florida too much credit, I have two words for you: Rick Scott.

Brainiac
01-22-2012, 01:20 AM
Line'em up folks, let's list all of the reasons why you dislike Newt.
Why do I dislike Newt? Well, let's see...


He has zero experience as an executive in government.
He has zero experience as an executive in the business world.
For that matter, he has zero experience even as a non-executive in the business world. He has never created a single job. He has never managed a payroll. He has never run a company, a division within a company, or even a small group within a company. He has ZERO management experience.
He doesn't have a degree in Law. He doesn't have a degree in Finance, Economics, or even just general Business. He was a freaking History major, yet his fans think of him as some sort of an intellectual genius who is smarter than anyone else. This isn't a knock on History majors, but a degree in History doesn't qualify you to be President. Sorry.
The man has no ethical code. Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Gingrich during his term as Speaker of the House. After extensive investigation and negotiation by the House Ethics Committee, Gingrich was fined $300,000 by a 395–28 House vote. It was the first time in history a speaker was disciplined for ethical wrongdoing. He resigned in disgrace both as Speaker of the House and from the House entirely in 1998.
He is an amoral douchebag who delivered divorce papers to his first wife while she was in the hospital and sick with cancer.
He is a hypocritical piece of shit who was actively cheating on his wife when he was villifying Clinton for cheating on his wife.
Even if he were a good choice to be the next leader of the free world, his negative polling is so high among independent voters that he has ZERO chance of beating Obama in a general election.

So, this is a guy with an appalling lack of experience in both government and business and an appalling lack of character who resigned in disgrace from the only government job he ever had. Republicans used to say character matters. Clearly it doesn't matter to the Republicans who voted for Gingrich.

Gingrich acknowledges his baggage, but says he is a "different" person now that he has converted to Catholicism. Bullshit. He was raised a Lutheran. In college he became a Southern Baptist. The last time I checked, both of those religions condemned lying and cheating just as much as the Catholic church does.

He is a smooth talker in televised debates, so he's got THAT going for him, which is good. However, that's the ONLY thing he's got going for him. Even his campaign manager and a half-dozen of his senior advisers came to that conclusion. They all abruptly resigned from his campaign last June.

His campaign would have come to an end already if not for a five million dollar donation from a billionaire casino owner named Sheldon Adelson. It was the largest donation to a single candidate in history. Sheldon Adelson kept Gingrich's candidacy on life support rather than letting it die the natural death that it deserved.

I think a better question would be why the hell anyone other than a total freaking moron would vote FOR him.

orange
01-22-2012, 01:25 AM
I think a better question would be why the hell anyone other than a total freaking moron would vote FOR him.

Because he's not Mitt Romney.

"I think if Newt Gingrich wins tonight it is demonstrative of the fact that the more people get to know Mitt Romney they do not like him,"


... And snark aside, Gingrich really is what the modern Republican i.e. TeaBagger Party is about. Romney is plainly a fraud.

alnorth
01-22-2012, 01:28 AM
Because he's not Mitt Romney.

The fact that what I'm about to post is a true statement, is a sad indictment of the lineup from a major party but... if they didn't want to vote for Romney, then Rick Santorum would have been a better, more electable choice. (not that he has a chance either, we're talking the difference between Obama winning by 15%, or just by a bit less than 10%)

Brainiac
01-22-2012, 01:30 AM
The fact that what I'm about to post is a true statement, is a sad indictment of the lineup from a major party but... if they didn't want to vote for Gingrich, then Rick Santorum would have been a better, more electable choice. (not that he has a chance either, we're talking the difference between Obama winning by 15%, or just by a bit less than 10%)

I agree. Santorum isn't my cup of tea because he seems too much the theocrat for me, but at least he isn't a lying piece of shit.

alnorth
01-22-2012, 01:35 AM
Romney should still ultimately win the nomination because he has a hammer-lock on CA, the northeast, and the rust belt. Newt doesn't exist outside the south.

However, if he does get FL, we may have a race that extends past super tuesday, making it even less likely Romney beats Obama.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 02:06 AM
Why do I dislike Newt? Well, let's see...


He has zero experience as an executive in government.
He has zero experience as an executive in the business world.
For that matter, he has zero experience even as a non-executive in the business world. He has never created a single job. He has never managed a payroll. He has never run a company, a division within a company, or even a small group within a company. He has ZERO management experience.
He doesn't have a degree in Law. He doesn't have a degree in Finance, Economics, or even just general Business. He was a freaking History major, yet his fans think of him as some sort of an intellectual genius who is smarter than anyone else. This isn't a knock on History majors, but a degree in History doesn't qualify you to be President. Sorry.
The man has no ethical code. Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Gingrich during his term as Speaker of the House. After extensive investigation and negotiation by the House Ethics Committee, Gingrich was fined $300,000 by a 395–28 House vote. It was the first time in history a speaker was disciplined for ethical wrongdoing. He resigned in disgrace both as Speaker of the House and from the House entirely in 1998.
He is an amoral douchebag who delivered divorce papers to his first wife while she was in the hospital and sick with cancer.
He is a hypocritical piece of shit who was actively cheating on his wife when he was villifying Clinton for cheating on his wife.
Even if he were a good choice to be the next leader of the free world, his negative polling is so high among independent voters that he has ZERO chance of beating Obama in a general election.

So, this is a guy with an appalling lack of experience in both government and business and an appalling lack of character who resigned in disgrace from the only government job he ever had. Republicans used to say character matters. Clearly it doesn't matter to the Republicans who voted for Gingrich.

Gingrich acknowledges his baggage, but says he is a "different" person now that he has converted to Catholicism. Bullshit. He was raised a Lutheran. In college he became a Southern Baptist. The last time I checked, both of those religions condemned lying and cheating just as much as the Catholic church does.

He is a smooth talker in televised debates, so he's got THAT going for him, which is good. However, that's the ONLY thing he's got going for him. Even his campaign manager and a half-dozen of his senior advisers came to that conclusion. They all abruptly resigned from his campaign last June.

His campaign would have come to an end already if not for a five million dollar donation from a billionaire casino owner named Sheldon Adelson. It was the largest donation to a single candidate in history. Sheldon Adelson kept Gingrich's candidacy on life support rather than letting it die the natural death that it deserved.

I think a better question would be why the hell anyone other than a total freaking moron would vote FOR him.


You need to read up on him, sure he has baggage, but he is more that you listed. Your statement about jobs and college are not true , he created jobs through non profit business ....... He had more experience than Obama had .Obama had no business experience, some law, we really don't know how much, most of his college transcripts are closed and hidden. Sure Newt got his degree in history, but common sense and a great cabinet helps the POTUS run the country. Look what our dear leader now has, poor cabinet, no finance degree and all of his economic teams leaves quickly after he selects him. His Chiefs of staff is on about a 10 month turn right now.

After leaving Congress in 1999, Gingrich started a number of for-profit companies. Between 2001 and 2010, the companies he and his wife owned in full or part had revenues of almost $100 million.

According to financial disclosure forms released in July 2011, Gingrich and his wife had a net worth of at least $6.7 million in 2010, compared to a maximum net worth of $2.4 million in 2006. Most of the increase in his net worth was because of payments to him from his for-profit companies.

The Gingrich Group was organized in 1999 as a consulting company. Over time, its non-health clients were dropped, and it was renamed the Center for Health Transformation. In 2011, when he became a presidential candidate, Gingrich sold his interest in the business. It continues to sell many Gingrich-related books, videos, and other products.

The two companies had revenues of $55 million between 2001 and 2010. The revenues came from more than 300 members and clients, with membership costing as much as $200,000 per year.


I think a better question would be why the hell anyone other than a total freaking moron would vote FOR him.


Vote for Obama? No Thanks. Sure the GOP field is weak, but of them, IMHO, Newt would be the better of the 4 standing.

I could really go for Paul if he wasn't so kooky and his FP was strong. Where Obama wants to kiss and make up with the world, Paul tells the world, we don't care what you do, just don't come near us. FTR, I do think he would have a weak FP, I don't think he would retaliate if we got hit at one of our bases. He would if it came main land, but I think he's too weak.

As for all of the ethic charges, sure he got what he dished out, going after some democrats & Clinton, but of all the ethic 75 charges, only 1 stuck around. It was more of a revenge from the Democrats. There was so muxch ethic violation in Congress at the time it was a major wake up call to all the politicians. They all had to clean up their act for the fear of being the next target.

Sometimes the better POTUS is someone who has been in trouble before and sometimes experience is the best teacher. IMHO, He knows what he can do what he can't POTUS.I think he could pull both sides of Congress together. I do not think we would have a POTUS that has to learn how to be the POTUS in his 1st 4 years as Obama has.

All I can say is if Obama win again, I hope that all of Congress is controlled by the GOP.

I could even live with Santorum if he was a little older and didn't come off as childish. But the left, the I's will never elect him.

Again, I just don't like our choices at all.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 02:09 AM
Romney should still ultimately win the nomination because he has a hammer-lock on CA, the northeast, and the rust belt. Newt doesn't exist outside the south.

However, if he does get FL, we may have a race that extends past super tuesday, making it even less likely Romney beats Obama.

I do think this is how it will play out. If Newt wins the south as expected, somehow if he can swing Ohio and possibly Pa, this thing will be close as Obama & Hillary was.

He does have his work cut out for him. Romney will hit him hard from here on out for sure. The longer Santorum stays in the harder it will be for Gingrich to win.

bandwagonjumper
01-22-2012, 02:35 AM
What a surprise. South Carolina voted for Gingrich. It's more an indication about Perry and Santorum. On paper there should be much more appealing than a career politician like Gingrich. Romney has little chance to win in the South. He is a yankee and a mormon. As a Liberal I'm very encouraged. Gingrich showed he was willing and able to work with the Democrat. He is an opportunist and definetly no teabagger. Still it depends on with whom he is surrounded. George W. Bush seemed alright but he surrounded him self with radioactive shit.

Pioli Zombie
01-22-2012, 06:34 AM
The biggest story for Gingrich isn't that he just clobbered Romney but that he totally destroyed Santorum. The coalition of the conservatives behind one candidate, Gingrich, and Romney goes bye bye. Even a state like California, if Gingrich gets a clear shot at Romney, is death for Romney. Then Obama beats Newt because while the Evangelicals support Newts ideas, enthusiasm will be low for a man like that.

ILChief
01-22-2012, 06:55 AM
Lol the party of "family values" is gonna nominate Newt

Chief Henry
01-22-2012, 07:09 AM
Lol the party of "family values" is gonna nominate Newt

It worked for Clinton and the dems.....the dems playbook was just taken.

Cave Johnson
01-22-2012, 08:57 AM
regarding the OP, I never, ever, in any way predicted that south carolina voters were smart or would avoid an idiotic result.

The people of south carolina are a bunch of dittohead retarded barking seals, nuff said. "Hell yeah, media iz bad, yu give it to em, newtie! woohooo!" *clap flippers and bark*

That does not mean Gingrich will win Florida or many further states.

If Santorum drops out, Newt could easily win FL.

Pioli Zombie
01-22-2012, 10:20 AM
It worked for Clinton and the dems.....the dems playbook was just taken.

That's because Dems will vote for a guy like Clinton. Right Wingers wont be enthusiastic to come out and vote for a sex addict. They wont vote for Obama. They'll just stay home

ILChief
01-22-2012, 10:35 AM
I still think Ron Paul will run as an independent and "Perot" newt or mitt

Deberg_1990
01-22-2012, 10:42 AM
The irony of all this if Newt wins the nomination, is that Obama becomes the squeaky clean candidate as far as personal life goes. What a dilemma for the Christian right. I would predict a ton of Christian right voters staying home in November.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 10:45 AM
A total of 37 delegates have been chosen so far. That's about 1.5% This is the beginning of a long hard slog.
The south is hawkish. Afterall, the America First movement didn't get its footing in there but it did in the NE, MidWest and West. Paul will do better in the mid-west and west but won't place first.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 10:46 AM
The irony of all this if Newt wins the nomination, is that Obama becomes the squeaky clean candidate as far as personal life goes. What a dilemma for the Christian right. I would predict a ton of Christian right voters staying home in November.

Yeah I know, he may be a dishonest cheat and adulterer but he's the Evangelical's adulterer and cheat. LOL—So long as he nukes Iran and hands Jerusalem over to Israel. That's what matter most to these folks.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 10:48 AM
The biggest story for Gingrich isn't that he just clobbered Romney but that he totally destroyed Santorum. The coalition of the conservatives behind one candidate, Gingrich, and Romney goes bye bye. Even a state like California, if Gingrich gets a clear shot at Romney, is death for Romney. Then Obama beats Newt because while the Evangelicals support Newts ideas, enthusiasm will be low for a man like that.

Except he only destroyed Santorum in SC not necessarily in the MidWest.

Deberg_1990
01-22-2012, 10:54 AM
Yeah I know, he may be a dishonest cheat and adulterer but he's the Evangelical's adulterer and cheat. LOL—So long as he nukes Iran and hands Jerusalem over to Israel. That's what matter most to these folks.

Heheh, exactly :)

Chocolate Hog
01-22-2012, 10:55 AM
The irony of all this if Newt wins the nomination, is that Obama becomes the squeaky clean candidate as far as personal life goes. What a dilemma for the Christian right. I would predict a ton of Christian right voters staying home in November.

I still think there's room for someone to run 3rd party. It'll make for an amazing book deal.

Pioli Zombie
01-22-2012, 10:57 AM
Yeah I know, he may be a dishonest cheat and adulterer but he's the Evangelical's adulterer and cheat. LOL—So long as he nukes Iran and hands Jerusalem over to Israel. That's what matter most to these folks.

Really? You know this from your extensive time talking with Evangelical Christians?

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 11:01 AM
Really? You know this from your extensive time talking with Evangelical Christians?

I am surrounded by them. It was just my own editorial about them. Chill....and rent a sense of humor.

alnorth
01-22-2012, 11:58 AM
Even a state like California, if Gingrich gets a clear shot at Romney, is death for Romney. Then Obama beats Newt because while the Evangelicals support Newts ideas, enthusiasm will be low for a man like that.

He doesn't have a chance in Cali. A huge minority of the CA GOP are gay-tolerating MJ-legalizing libertarians who only care about taxes, and among the rest, plenty will break for Romney due to electability. Oh, and Mormonism is a bit bigger and more accepted in CA than the south.

Chocolate Hog
01-22-2012, 11:58 AM
Newt is leading big in Minnesota according to PPP. This is going to be a long race.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 11:59 AM
Newt is leading big in Minnesota according to PPP. This is going to be a long race.

That actually surprises me. How will he handle not being on the Virginia ballot? I saw him urge a strong write-in campaign.
If he can't manage to get on a ballot or his people that's not saying much for getting his work done as president. In fact not getting his work done, aka lazy is a reason why he was run out of the House as Speaker. That's according to a former R congressman who was there at the time who said this on local radio here.

Taco John
01-22-2012, 12:17 PM
http://i.qkme.me/35rx76.jpg

alnorth
01-22-2012, 12:23 PM
That actually surprises me. How will he handle not being on the Virginia ballot? I saw him urge a strong write-in campaign.
If he can't manage to get on a ballot or his people that's not saying much for getting his work done as president. In fact not getting his work done, aka lazy is a reason why he we run out of the House as speaker. That's according to a former R congressman who was there at the time who said this on local radio here.

They don't permit write-ins in VA, as in, there wont be a write-in line. There will be just two ovals on the ballot.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 12:26 PM
They don't permit write-ins in VA, as in, there wont be a write-in line. There will be just two ovals on the ballot.

That sucks for Newt. BTW you quoted my typos that I fixed, but not in time.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 01:18 PM
If Santorum drops out, Newt could easily win FL.

But he isn't. Onward he goes, he thinks he can beat either of the other 3.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 01:23 PM
That actually surprises me. How will he handle not being on the Virginia ballot? I saw him urge a strong write-in campaign.
If he can't manage to get on a ballot or his people that's not saying much for getting his work done as president. In fact not getting his work done, aka lazy is a reason why he was run out of the House as Speaker. That's according to a former R congressman who was there at the time who said this on local radio here.

Newt's biggest problem in the House was he wanted to sit in the chair and let the ideas come forward and debate them to the dem's.

Same principal he wants to do in the WH.

He just got caught with too many hands in the cookie jar and had trouble with his trousers.

Other than that, he is a great debater and communicator between parties.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 01:24 PM
They don't permit write-ins in VA, as in, there wont be a write-in line. There will be just two ovals on the ballot.

That will hurt a lot.:doh!:

Newt loses is because , well he wasn't organized.

orange
01-22-2012, 01:52 PM
Nate Silver

But South Carolina’s seeming rejection of Mr. Romney goes beyond cultural or demographic idiosyncrasies. Mr. Romney was resoundingly defeated by Mr. Gingrich, losing badly among his worst demographic groups and barely beating Mr. Gingrich among his best ones. Had you extrapolated the exit poll cross-tabulations from South Carolina to the other 49 states, Mr. Romney might have lost 47 of them. Moreover, the decline of Mr. Romney was almost as significant in national polls as it was in South Carolina.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/did-gingrichs-win-break-the-rules/

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 02:25 PM
Nate Silver

But South Carolina’s seeming rejection of Mr. Romney goes beyond cultural or demographic idiosyncrasies. Mr. Romney was resoundingly defeated by Mr. Gingrich, losing badly among his worst demographic groups and barely beating Mr. Gingrich among his best ones. Had you extrapolated the exit poll cross-tabulations from South Carolina to the other 49 states, Mr. Romney might have lost 47 of them. Moreover, the decline of Mr. Romney was almost as significant in national polls as it was in South Carolina.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/did-gingrichs-win-break-the-rules/

I posted the exit polls on here last night, they were shocking for Mitt.

orange
01-22-2012, 02:44 PM
The USS Romney took a severe hit but is now turning it's big guns around to attack Newt.

Taco had an interesting take on the race, if Newt, Rick & Mitt continue to win states here and there, Paul will be as much a candidate in other states.

Super Tuesday could really be crazy if Newt can somehow get some states to cast write in ballots.

But Va took a major hit on Newt.

*I brought that quote over from my other thread because that one is intended to be about the issue, not so much the candidate.*

Virginia is a thorn for Gingrich, but ... it's only 49 delegates. And Newt can turn it into a positive with a populist attack on the party elites there and their anti-democratic rules. Ask John King.

As for Paul following the Obama strategy of piling up delegates in the caucuses - a big difference: Obama WON the caucuses, he didn't take third.

orange
01-22-2012, 02:54 PM
I posted the exit polls on here last night, they were shocking for Mitt.

Another crosstab I saw somewhere else (not among those FOX results) was the military vote. Amusingly enough, there was absolutely NO difference for Dr. No. I can't wait to post those numbers - at the appropriate time, of course.

dirk digler
01-22-2012, 03:12 PM
Nate Silver

But South Carolina’s seeming rejection of Mr. Romney goes beyond cultural or demographic idiosyncrasies. Mr. Romney was resoundingly defeated by Mr. Gingrich, losing badly among his worst demographic groups and barely beating Mr. Gingrich among his best ones. Had you extrapolated the exit poll cross-tabulations from South Carolina to the other 49 states, Mr. Romney might have lost 47 of them. Moreover, the decline of Mr. Romney was almost as significant in national polls as it was in South Carolina.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/did-gingrichs-win-break-the-rules/

Ouch that is pretty bad whooping he took. I read where the only demographic he won was rich people. Makes sense because that is the only people he will represent.

orange
01-22-2012, 03:14 PM
I read where the only demographic he won was rich people.

That was the picture that I put up a couple pages back - it was in a tweet that expired.

dirk digler
01-22-2012, 03:20 PM
That was the picture that I put up a couple pages back - it was in a tweet that expired.

That is probably where I read it :thumb:

I think it is pretty funny that Jeb Bush was supposed to endorse Romney but now is not. Is there anyone that actually likes Romney outside of his family?

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 04:58 PM
Newt's biggest problem in the House was he wanted to sit in the chair and let the ideas come forward and debate them to the dem's.

Same principal he wants to do in the WH.

He just got caught with too many hands in the cookie jar and had trouble with his trousers.

Other than that, he is a great debater and communicator between parties.

No, it was also because he was lazy. Remember this is a guy who went on a cruise at the start of his campaign. He also has not put an organization together.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 05:06 PM
No, it was also because he was lazy. Remember this is a guy who went on a cruise at the start of his campaign. He also has not put an organization together.

Newt has always been a guy about big ideas, no backbone to do the work, he always wants somebody else to do it for him.

orange
01-22-2012, 05:34 PM
Virginia is a thorn for Gingrich, but ... it's only 49 delegates. And Newt can turn it into a positive with a populist attack on the party elites there and their anti-democratic rules. Ask John King.

An evil thought just occurred to me. Virginia just might spell the end of this campaign.

Just how brutally embarassing would it be to Willard when Gingrich throws his support to Paul as his proxy and Romney loses essentially boxing against air?

Yes, Virginia, there is one state Ron Paul might win. LMAO

Chocolate Hog
01-22-2012, 05:54 PM
An evil thought just occurred to me. Virginia just might spell the end of this campaign.

Just how brutally embarassing would it be to Willard when Gingrich throws his support to Paul as his proxy and Romney loses essentially boxing against air?

Yes, Virginia, there is one state Ron Paul might win. LMAO

He won't do that the guy doesn't give a fuck about winning he just wants to make money off books and appearing on Fox.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 06:41 PM
Newt has always been a guy about big ideas, no backbone to do the work, he always wants somebody else to do it for him.

Well that's fine but an executive has to be able to get others to execute for him at least.

People who get into key executive positions have usually been those who were able to work hard getting there.
Newt basically just got a huge $5 million dollar check from a Las Vegas Casino owner which helped him run the ads he needed in SC and perhaps enough for Florida.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 06:42 PM
An evil thought just occurred to me. Virginia just might spell the end of this campaign.

Just how brutally embarassing would it be to Willard when Gingrich throws his support to Paul as his proxy and Romney loses essentially boxing against air?

Yes, Virginia, there is one state Ron Paul might win. LMAO

Hey, you're stealing my lines....."Willard."

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 07:00 PM
Gingrich panders to Paul voters in his SC speech. It won't work though.

“Dr. Ron Paul, who on the issue of money and the federal reserve, has been right for 25 years,” said Mr. Gingrich during his victory speech. “While I disagree with him on many other things, there’s no doubt that a lot of his critique of inflation, of flat money into the federal reserve is absolutely right, in the right direction, and its something I can support strongly.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/south-carolina/newt-gingrich-acknowledges-ron-paul-saul-alinsky-in-s-c-win/#ixzz1kF6hWh00

orange
01-22-2012, 07:08 PM
Gingrich panders to Paul voters in his SC speech. It won't work though.

Starting in on his Virginia plan. The Newtster is a slippery one.

AMPHOBIA - FEAR THE NEWT!

alnorth
01-22-2012, 08:06 PM
saw this floating around the net

http://imgur.com/BVDLo.jpg

orange
01-22-2012, 08:54 PM
Florida GOP Primary - Insider Advantage 1/22

Gingrich 34
Romney 26
Paul 13
Santorum 11

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/fl/florida_republican_presidential_primary-1597.html

orange
01-22-2012, 08:55 PM
AMPHOBIA

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs26/f/2008/145/2/e/Amphibia_Amphobia_Amorphia_by_pfors.jpg

mnchiefsguy
01-22-2012, 08:58 PM
Florida GOP Primary - Insider Advantage 1/22

Gingrich 34
Romney 26
Paul 13
Santorum 11

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/fl/florida_republican_presidential_primary-1597.html

Very interesting...and a sharp turnaround. CNN was saying on Friday or Saturday that Romney's lead in FL was double digits.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 09:50 PM
Very interesting...and a sharp turnaround. CNN was saying on Friday or Saturday that Romney's lead in FL was double digits.

I would think Newt would pick up Cain's voters. However, now it will be Gingrich's record that is put under the spotlight. Will the Romney folks highlight his love for FDR and his Progressivism?

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 10:59 PM
Well that's fine but an executive has to be able to get others to execute for him at least.

People who get into key executive positions have usually been those who were able to work hard getting there.
Newt basically just got a huge $5 million dollar check from a Las Vegas Casino owner which helped him run the ads he needed in SC and perhaps enough for Florida.

It is, but Newt is the type of guy that motivates people to get along, compromise. His weak point is doing the work himself. Newt wants to get rid of the czars, I'm all for that, but in return he will hire 40 gophers to run around and do his work.

ROYC75
01-22-2012, 11:00 PM
I would think Newt would pick up Cain's voters. However, now it will be Gingrich's record that is put under the spotlight. Will the Romney folks highlight his love for FDR and his Progressivism?

Wouldn't you ?

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 11:15 PM
It is, but Newt is the type of guy that motivates people to get along, compromise.

Ya' mean like him twisting arms of Freshman R-congressman to go along with the Clinton tax increases so he could claim to have a surplus, as the Clintonista's claimed when Republicans said there was no real surplus? Big ideas my arse, he's a big govt democrat. He wants to spend on the economy with public works programs just like FDR his hero. One of those ideas is lots of new spending on NASA when people are suffering.

Compromise= more of the same that we've been getting
Conservatives need to wake up. Newt is a fraud. He is not a conservative by a long shot.

BucEyedPea
01-22-2012, 11:15 PM
Wouldn't you ?

I have been.

Taco John
01-22-2012, 11:29 PM
If Newt gets the nomination, that will be two candidates from two different parties who cite FDR as their role models.

Pawnmower
01-22-2012, 11:51 PM
If Newt gets the nomination,

keep dreaming, not going to happen

Pawnmower
01-22-2012, 11:58 PM
But FTR, can some of you please list the reason for your distaste on Newt. I would find it interesting to know what each of you dislike with him.

Again, some of you please list your reasons why you do not want to see Newt win the GOP ticket?

Line'em up folks, let's list all of the reasons why you dislike Newt.

As speaker of the house committed numerous ethics violations..

If i am not mistaken was 'impeached' or censured (not sure the term) but ended up fined 300k and unsupported by his own party...

This is the ONLY speaker of the house to suffer this humiliation.

Cheated on not one, but at least two of his three wives.

Cheated while at the same time hypocritically making a federal case out of the clinton/lewinsky blow job.

Comes off like a pompous douche...

Completely arrogant and hypocritical.....

Will not be elected. Period.

Pawnmower
01-23-2012, 12:01 AM
however, that said, if Gingrich defeats Romney then the GOP deserves to get blown out. It may even be healthy, the stupid right-wing radio hacks who preach that the people will only vote GOP if they nominate the most conservative candidate would be humbled.

Really, south carolina? You voted for a guy on his 3rd wife, who (allegedly) asked his 2nd wife for an open marriage, who like Perry attacked Romney for being a "vulture capitalist", sat with Pelosi to chat about global warming, believes in open borders, was ousted by his own party in the house in a revolt, and faced a still-sealed still-unknown ethics violation that was so compelling that a majority of republicans who knew the details of the ethics report voted to reprimand Gingrich, THAT is the guy you think can beat Obama?

Maybe Romney will ultimately fail, but Gingrich's stupid ass will get blown out.


this sums it up right here...

/topic

ROYC75
01-23-2012, 10:24 PM
I'm tossed on who to vote for, but IMHO I think the voters are looking at Gingrich as a no BS guy with the media and not kissing anybody's butt about his vision and his critics.

A guy that will attack Obama and make him look bad in the polls & debates.

La literatura
01-23-2012, 10:26 PM
I'm tossed on who to vote for, but IMHO I think the voters are looking at Gingrich as a no BS guy with the media and not kissing anybody's butt about his vision and his critics.

A guy that will attach Obama and make him look bad in the polls & debates.

Yeah, so he talks a big game to debate moderators. That's a great quality for a president.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:29 PM
I'm tossed on who to vote for, but IMHO I think the voters are looking at Gingrich as a no BS guy with the media and not kissing anybody's butt about his vision and his critics.

A guy that will attach Obama and make him look bad in the polls & debates.

I think Santorum is more your man. He's big govt conservative but still more conservative then Romney or Newt. Don't vote like it's a horse race because we'll wind up with another Bush....or worse than him. At least with Santorum you get to kill Persians. Who knows maybe the price of carpets will come way down after all the bombs and dust settle.

mlyonsd
01-24-2012, 07:29 AM
Yeah, so he talks a big game to debate moderators. That's a great quality for a president.One step up from a president that just looks good in front of a teleprompter. :p

LOCOChief
01-24-2012, 07:37 AM
Yeah, so he talks a big game to debate moderators. That's a great quality for a president.

It's certainly not a bad quality. Oh you're trying to say that's all he's got but you weren't actually able to make the case. You are so much fail balled up into such a small women.

Brainiac
01-24-2012, 08:10 AM
It's certainly not a bad quality. Oh you're trying to say that's all he's got but you weren't actually able to make the case. You are so much fail balled up into such a small women.
Being a smooth talker in a debate IS the only thing Gingrich has going for him.

If we were looking for a talk-show host he'd be the best guy available. But we're looking for a President, and guy with ZERO executive experience who was forced to resign in disgrace from the only leadership position he ever had is simply not qualified.

LOCOChief
01-24-2012, 08:40 AM
Being a smooth talker in a debate IS the only thing Gingrich has going for him.

If we were looking for a talk-show host he'd be the best guy available. But we're looking for a President, and guy with ZERO executive experience who was forced to resign in disgrace from the only leadership position he ever had is simply not qualified.

Executive experience like the guy we have in there now?

According to what you saying "we're looking for" only one GOP candidate fits and its Mitt - poet and didn't know it.

BucEyedPea
01-24-2012, 09:25 AM
Being a smooth talker in a debate IS the only thing Gingrich has going for him.

Yup! He can talk! Barack sounded good too. Look where it landed us. If I had to choose between Newt and Mitt, I would take Mitt—unfortunately. Thank gawd! I am not faced with such a Sophie's Choice.