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Fruit Ninja
01-22-2012, 04:52 AM
When Barack Obama joined Silicon Valley’s top luminaries for dinner in California last February, each guest was asked to come with a question for the president.

But as Steven P. Jobs of Apple spoke, President Obama interrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States?

Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were manufactured overseas.

Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked.

Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest.

The president’s question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. It isn’t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple’s executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their American counterparts that “Made in the U.S.A.” is no longer a viable option for most Apple products.

Apple has become one of the best-known, most admired and most imitated companies on earth, in part through an unrelenting mastery of global operations. Last year, it earned over $400,000 in profit per employee, more than Goldman Sachs, Exxon Mobil or Google.

However, what has vexed Mr. Obama as well as economists and policy makers is that Apple — and many of its high-technology peers — are not nearly as avid in creating American jobs as other famous companies were in their heydays.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Long but great read 7 pages in all. I am not into stuff like this, but i read it all. Interesting stuff. Them Chinese are just 1 up on everyone. lol

HMc
01-22-2012, 06:25 AM
He's right. The asians are no longer just cheaper, they're also better.

GloryDayz
01-22-2012, 08:47 AM
Depressing, but true. It won't be fixed in a day, and before it's fixed, we'll have to fix the American mind.

notorious
01-22-2012, 09:02 AM
Depressing, but true. It won't be fixed in a day, and before it's fixed, we'll have to fix the American mind.

The only way the American mind can be fixed is when individual, every day needs are at stake.


We are far from that.

GloryDayz
01-22-2012, 09:06 AM
The only way the American mind can be fixed is when individual, every day needs are at stake.


We are far from that.

Indeed.

Guru
01-22-2012, 09:22 AM
Depressing, but true. It won't be fixed in a day, and before it's fixed, we'll have to fix the American mind.

It will never be fixed the way this country is being run into the ground the last 15-20 years.

MahiMike
01-22-2012, 09:43 AM
They're not coming back because we allowed our American companies to outsource to communist countries. Foxcon is literally killing people in their prison camps so that we can enjoy our stupid obsessions with crap we don't need.

WV
01-22-2012, 09:54 AM
Nice question thrown out in theory, but the facts are that no president in recent history has been serious about bringing overseas jobs back to the US.

Marcellus
01-22-2012, 10:27 AM
They're not coming back because we allowed our American companies to outsource to communist countries. Foxcon is literally killing people in their prison camps so that we can enjoy our stupid obsessions with crap we don't need.

Until you can convince peopel they don't need it or want it, it will never change.

We are our own worst enemy.

I have a laptop, a tablet, an iPhone (my 3rd), an iPod, etc.........

BigRedChief
01-22-2012, 12:29 PM
He's right. The asians are no longer just cheaper, they're also better.Do a google of Foxconn.

See what it takes to get us cheap Iphones. $37 a month in pay. So many suicides take place at work that they put up nets to catch the jumpers of their buildings.

As long as Americans only care about the low prices nothing is going to change.

Gonzo
01-22-2012, 12:34 PM
I think this belongs over in the DC.

BigRedChief
01-22-2012, 12:34 PM
Until you can convince peopel they don't need it or want it, it will never change.

We are our own worst enemy.

I have a laptop, a tablet, an iPhone (my 3rd), an iPod, etc.........Same here. Ipad, IPhone, cheap big ass HD TV's, fantastic laptop all for 1/2 of what I paid a few years ago. I have never felt guilty at all even though I know what Foxconn does to its employees. But, even if I decided to make a moral choice and buy a different product, what is my choices?

BigRedChief
01-22-2012, 12:36 PM
I think this belongs over in the DC.This isn't a divisive political thread, yet.

Gonzo
01-22-2012, 12:38 PM
This isn't a divisive political thread, yet.

I can see into the future, my friend.

ClevelandBronco
01-22-2012, 01:10 PM
NPR/This American Life dedicated a show to Apple and China. Worth a listen:

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/454/mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory

|Zach|
01-22-2012, 01:19 PM
Nice question thrown out in theory, but the facts are that no president in recent history has been serious about bringing overseas jobs back to the US.

What should the President do.

Gonzo
01-22-2012, 01:33 PM
What should the President do.
Heh, this.

It's all his fault, you know...
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KC native
01-22-2012, 01:44 PM
As long as Americans only care about the low prices nothing is going to change.

This

KC native
01-22-2012, 01:49 PM
As an added point, until the US, EU, and WTO get serious about working conditions this won't change either.

This is a puff piece about Apple. Foxconn, China's, and Apple's negligence are atrocious.

Mr. Laz
01-22-2012, 01:53 PM
Our government with never be fixed until the 'legal bribery' issue is fixed.

special interest donations to congress is NOT free speech ... it's bribery.

government votes are for sale and things won't get fixed until that changes.