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Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 08:24 AM
Weigh ins and practice start today. Place all reports in this thread for ease of reference.

Here is a link to the rosters:

http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlhtswts.html

Looks like a weak WR group.

boogblaster
01-23-2012, 09:09 AM
we need to look at some OL ......

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 09:13 AM
DaKCMan AP's players to watch (with pre-senior bowl favorites in bold):

QB Kirk Cousins
QB Nick Foles
RB Vick Ballard
RB Terrance Ganaway
WR DeVier Posey
WR Marquise Maze
WR Marvin McNutt
TE LaDarius Green
TE Brad Smelley
C Mike Brewster
C Ben Jones
C Philip Blake
OG Cordy Glenn
OG Kevin Zeitler
OT Mike Adams
OT Tony Bergstrom
OT Zebrie Sanders
NT Alameda Ta'amu
DT Jaye Howard (I think he could transition to a 3-4 DE
LB Audie Cole
LB James-Michael Johnson
CB Brandon Boykin
CB Janoris Jenkins
S Antonio Allen
S Markelle Martin
S Brandon Taylor
S Trenton Robinson

Detoxing
01-23-2012, 09:43 AM
DaKCMan AP's players to watch (with pre-senior bowl favorites in bold):

QB Kirk Cousins
QB Russell Wilson
QB Nick Foles
RB Vick Ballard
RB Terrance Ganaway
WR DeVier Posey
WR Marquise Maze
TE LaDarius Green
TE Brad Smelley
C Mike Brewster
C Ben Jones
C Philip Blake
OG Cordy Glenn
OG Kevin Zeitler
OT Mike Adams
OT Tony Bergstrom
OT Zebrie Sanders
NT Alameda Ta'amu
DT Jaye Howard (I think he could transition to a 3-4 DE
LB Audie Cole
LB James-Michael Johnson
CB Brandon Boykin
CB Janoris Jenkins
S Antonio Allen
S Markelle Martin
S Brandon Taylor
S Trenton Robinson

I'd go ahead and highlight LaDarius Green too.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 09:50 AM
I'd go ahead and highlight LaDarius Green too.

I'm very intrigued by him.. but I haven't seen him play so I can't label him a pre-game favorite.

Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 09:53 AM
Players to watch

QBs- all
HB - Poke
TE - Egnew and Green
LB- Johnson and Bradham
S- Iloka
CB - Boykin
C - Blake and Brewster
T - Sanders.

jd1020
01-23-2012, 09:54 AM
I hope we talk to...

QB:

Cousins
Moore
and Foles and Lindley are probably already on Pioli's list. Wouldn't be excited with either, though.

RB:

Polk
Ballard

TE:

Egnew

C:

Brewster
Jones

G:

Zeitler

OT:

Adams
McCants
Sanders

DT:

Ta'amu
Wolfe
Winn

LB:

Johnson

S:

Robinson

O.city
01-23-2012, 10:53 AM
I think Polk would pair pretty well with Charles.

O.city
01-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Anyone know much about Brewster?

Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 10:57 AM
Kellen Moore is NOT the shortest QB at the Senior Bowl.

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012weighinQB.php

Mr_Tomahawk
01-23-2012, 10:58 AM
Kellen Moore is NOT the shortest QB at the Senior Bowl.

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012weighinQB.php

THAT'S why I dont want Russel Wilson.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 10:59 AM
Anyone know much about Brewster?

Top recruit out of Florida that went to a crappy school. Started all 4 years and is solid, but not outstanding. Taller (6'5") and lighter (<300) than preferred.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 11:00 AM
Kellen Moore is NOT the shortest QB at the Senior Bowl.

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012weighinQB.php

THAT'S why I dont want Russel Wilson.

Holy crap. Removing Russell Wilson from my list.

Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 11:02 AM
Top recruit out of Florida that went to a crappy school. Started all 4 years and is solid, but not outstanding. Taller (6'5") and lighter (<300) than preferred.

Which Brewster are you talking about?

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 11:04 AM
Which Brewster are you talking about?

Mike

Pestilence
01-23-2012, 11:11 AM
Moore has the smallest hands though.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 11:13 AM
Top recruit out of Florida that went to a crappy school. Started all 4 years and is solid, but not outstanding. Taller (6'5") and lighter (<300) than preferred.

I see he weighed in at 6'4 and 310, which is better than 6'5 and <300. Still taller than I'd like at center. Maurkice and Mike Pouncey are both 6'5 centers, but both are also more athletic than Brewster.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-23-2012, 02:07 PM
Who wants Doug Flutie?

Mayock on #Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson: "Could be Doug Flutie. I mean, that's how good this kid is. Innate understanding of making plays."

Evan Silva @evansilva
More Mayock on Russell Wilson: "He's a playmaker, I don't care how tall he is. He's got a good enough arm. ... That kid is special."

aturnis
01-23-2012, 03:37 PM
Top recruit out of Florida that went to a crappy school. Started all 4 years and is solid, but not outstanding. Taller (6'5") and lighter (<300) than preferred.

Really? Do you really think Ohio State is a "crappy school"? I sure hope not. A much better football school than Florida.

Can't believe I'm defending the Buckeye's...

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Really? Do you really think Ohio State is a "crappy school"? I sure hope not. A much better football school than Florida.

Can't believe I'm defending the Buckeye's...

ROFL

Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 05:49 PM
Some early reports from SI.com
Mike Adams (T/Ohio State) is really starting to pull it together. He's used his wide frame to out-position defenders and moves his feet well for a big man.
- Michael Egnew (TE/Missouri) has looked incredibly fluid and smooth all day. He's very natural catching the ball and shows nice tight end speed.
3:46 p.m. CT -- Vinny Curry (DE/Marshall) has looked terrific in the early going. He's been matched up against Ohio State tackle Mike Adams, who has been rising up draft boards, yet he's bettered the Big Ten lineman. Curry has looked quick, athletic and fluid. Adams reverted to holding Curry in an attempt slow him down.
- To his credit Adams did rebound and has looked very good run blocking.
- Mike Quick (WR/Appalachian State) has struggled and looked outclassed. His routes are awfully slow and not sharp. He's also dropped several catchable throws.
- Marvin Jones (WR/Cal) has stood out in one-on-one drills. He probably runs the best routes of anyone on the North team, consistently separates from defensive backs and has made several outstanding receptions.
- Kirk Cousins (QB/Michigan State) has shown the best arm of any signal caller on the North and it's of legitimate NFL strength. He's powered the ball into the tight spots and has challenged the hands of his receivers.
3:37 p.m. CT -- It's overcast and slightly raining as the first practice of the day has gotten underway at the Senior Bowl.
- Devier Posey (WR/Ohio State) looks terrific in the early going. He's run great routes and caught everything thrown in his direction. Posey looks very fluid and natural and does not look like a player that missed most of the 2011 season.
- TJ Graham (WR/North Carolina State) a late addition to the game, has also looked good. He's made several difficult receptions and has run crisp, quick routes.
- Marvin McNutt (WR/Iowa) has struggled in the early going. He looks very stiff and has dropped a number of catchable throws.
- Though its still early, Kellen Moore (QB/Boise State) does not look good. He shows no ability to put speed on his passes and his throws have consistently been behind receivers.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/23/senior.bowl.practice.monday/index.html#ixzz1kKfKbNnB

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 05:55 PM
- Though its still early, Kellen Moore (QB/Boise State) does not look good. He shows no ability to put speed on his passes and his throws have consistently been behind receivers.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/23/senior.bowl.practice.monday/index.html#ixzz1kKfKbNnB


But but but.. he's a winner.. and the little engine that could. ROFL

aturnis
01-23-2012, 06:54 PM
ROFL

How many national championships does Florida have? That's what I thought homer.

But, but, but, their in teh SEC!

Mr_Tomahawk
01-23-2012, 06:59 PM
Some early reports from SI.com
Mike Adams (T/Ohio State) is really starting to pull it together. He's used his wide frame to out-position defenders and moves his feet well for a big man.
- Michael Egnew (TE/Missouri) has looked incredibly fluid and smooth all day. He's very natural catching the ball and shows nice tight end speed.
3:46 p.m. CT -- Vinny Curry (DE/Marshall) has looked terrific in the early going. He's been matched up against Ohio State tackle Mike Adams, who has been rising up draft boards, yet he's bettered the Big Ten lineman. Curry has looked quick, athletic and fluid. Adams reverted to holding Curry in an attempt slow him down.
- To his credit Adams did rebound and has looked very good run blocking.
- Mike Quick (WR/Appalachian State) has struggled and looked outclassed. His routes are awfully slow and not sharp. He's also dropped several catchable throws.
- Marvin Jones (WR/Cal) has stood out in one-on-one drills. He probably runs the best routes of anyone on the North team, consistently separates from defensive backs and has made several outstanding receptions.
- Kirk Cousins (QB/Michigan State) has shown the best arm of any signal caller on the North and it's of legitimate NFL strength. He's powered the ball into the tight spots and has challenged the hands of his receivers.
3:37 p.m. CT -- It's overcast and slightly raining as the first practice of the day has gotten underway at the Senior Bowl.
- Devier Posey (WR/Ohio State) looks terrific in the early going. He's run great routes and caught everything thrown in his direction. Posey looks very fluid and natural and does not look like a player that missed most of the 2011 season.
- TJ Graham (WR/North Carolina State) a late addition to the game, has also looked good. He's made several difficult receptions and has run crisp, quick routes.
- Marvin McNutt (WR/Iowa) has struggled in the early going. He looks very stiff and has dropped a number of catchable throws.
- Though its still early, Kellen Moore (QB/Boise State) does not look good. He shows no ability to put speed on his passes and his throws have consistently been behind receivers.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/23/senior.bowl.practice.monday/index.html#ixzz1kKfKbNnB

Nice.

jd1020
01-23-2012, 07:02 PM
Nice.

I noticed that awhile back.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8205181&postcount=22

Cousins is who I hope the Chiefs go after since they aren't going to be going after any QB in the first, no matter how bad people on here want to believe they will.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_qiprnWO5go" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:30 and 1:43.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 07:11 PM
How many national championships does Florida have? That's what I thought homer.

But, but, but, their in teh SEC!

College football is about what you have done lately. Princeton and Yale have the most National Championships in the history of college football. I guess they're the best football schools. :spock:

During Mike Brewster's four years at ohio state they won 1 bowl game. In that same time, Florida has won 4 bowl games (one of them against Mike Brewster and ohio state) including a National Championship.

You have some studying to do, starting with recent college football history, the proper use(s) of there, their, and they're, and how to not get butthurt over an exaggerated joke.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-23-2012, 07:18 PM
I noticed that awhile back.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8205181&postcount=22

Cousins is who I hope the Chiefs go after since they aren't going to be going after any QB in the first, no matter how bad people on here want to believe they will.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_qiprnWO5go" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:30 and 1:43.

Yeah looks like he could be a steal on the 2nd day.

I would be happy with him.

aturnis
01-23-2012, 07:39 PM
College football is about what you have done lately. Princeton and Yale have the most National Championships in the history of college football. I guess they're the best football schools. :spock:

During Mike Brewster's four years at ohio state they won 1 bowl game. In that same time, Florida has won 4 bowl games (one of them against Mike Brewster and ohio state) including a National Championship.

You have some studying to do, starting with recent college football history, the proper use(s) of there, their, and they're, and how to not get butthurt over an exaggerated joke.

Such a good football program. They get many more top recruits than OSU, b/c they're in the SEC and they don't have to worry about the players grades much at all. Still though, with ALL those top recruits, they have about the same number of players in the NFL.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 07:53 PM
Such a good football program they get many more top recruits and don't have to worry about the players grades much at all and still, they have about the same number of players in the NFL.

The above statement is unintelligible.

aturnis
01-23-2012, 08:28 PM
Such a good football program. They get many more top recruits than OSU, b/c they're in the SEC and they don't have to worry about the players grades much at all. Still though, with ALL those top recruits, they have about the same number of players in the NFL.

Sorry, I was typing quickly on a phone. Better?

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2012, 08:31 PM
Sorry, I was typing quickly on a phone. Better?

Ok? Sure, players care about making it to the next level. They can do that at both programs.

aturnis
01-23-2012, 08:34 PM
Ok? Sure, players care about making it to the next level. They can do that at both programs.

Which one produces a more with less?

aturnis
01-23-2012, 08:38 PM
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2011/4/30/2143688/the-best-and-worst-college-programs-and-conferences-at-developing

aturnis
01-23-2012, 08:57 PM
College football is about what you have done lately. Princeton and Yale have the most National Championships in the history of college football. I guess they're the best football schools. :spock:

During Mike Brewster's four years at ohio state they won 1 bowl game. In that same time, Florida has won 4 bowl games (one of them against Mike Brewster and ohio state) including a National Championship.

You have some studying to do, starting with recent college football history, the proper use(s) of there, their, and they're, and how to not get butthurt over an exaggerated joke.

Way to go, Florida beat up on a down OSU team b/c some idiots decided to sells their trophy/memorabilia material.

Also, since 2002, OSU has played in more National Championship games than Florida. No, they didn't win any, and yes, they lost one to Florida.

Your statement was ridiculiuos though. "Top recruit out of Florida that went to a crappy school". Ohio St. is not a crappy school.

Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 09:04 PM
On the QB front:
5. Ryan Lindley, QB, San Diego State, 6-4, 229, 5.10 (South). At one point during practice, Lindley had thrown almost as many passes into the turf as into his receivers' hands. He showed slight improvement later, but not enough to save the day. He looked like a slow-twitch athlete who was deliberate in his movement. He also had the worst arm strength among South QBs.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-01-23/senior-bowl-dish-day-1-of-practice-reveals-a-lot#ixzz1kLSY79Av

Chiefnj2
01-23-2012, 09:19 PM
South Practice

By Bo Wulf
Posted 2 hours ago
MOBILE, Alabama – The North and South squads split up for the only time this week Monday, as the South team, generally thought to be the more talented of the two, took their Day 1 job interview to Fairhope Stadium.

The practice was dominated throughout by the defensive line, which features what could be as many as four first-round picks. During individual drills, the offensive line didn’t stand much of a chance as Quinton Coples, the North Carolina defensive end, had his way with the likes of Florida State’s Zebrie Sanders and UAB’s Matt McCants. Coples, 6-6, 281, used his enormous length to swat away would-be blockers and was also strong enough to push guys back with ease.

South Carolina’s Melvin Ingram, 6-2, 276, was impressive as well and had his way in one-on-one with Georgia’s Ben Jones. He would project as a nice fit at defensive end under Jim Washburn. Alabama pass rusher Courtney Upshaw, 6-1, 273, is a classic pass-rushing tweener who brings about questions as to whether his best fit is as a 4-3 defensive end or as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Upshaw worked exclusively as a defensive end during individual drills and his strength was easy to see – he continually drove offensive linemen into the backfield. While the Washington Redskins coaching staff vacillated the defense between 3-4 and 4-3 fronts during the team drills, Upshaw was most impressive on the line, where he worked with the “first team” alongside Coples and defensive tackle Brandon Thompson and Kheeston Randall. Thompson was actually the one who often stole the show, consistently blowing up plays in the backfield by using his impressive strength.

At cornerback, Janoris Jenkins of North Alabama is one of the week’s more intriguing prospects. Dismissed from the Florida team as a junior, Jenkins played his final collegiate year at small school North Alabama, but his talent is top-end. Early in practice, Jenkins was admonished by Redskins secondary coach Raheem Morris for some technique issues and a dropped ball, but the talented 5-foot-10 cornerback rebounded very nicely throughout the rest of practice, displaying impressive coverage ability. Tellingly, Jenkins was effective in press coverage, something which, following practice, Jenkins said was a goal for him this week. Elsewhere at cornerback, Georgia’s Brandon Boykin, 5-9, 183, was impressive in coverage and Furman’s Ryan Steed was not overwhelmed by the talent bump. Boykin made one particularly impressive play in one-on-ones when North Carolina wide receiver Dwight Jones had a step on him but Boykin knocked the ball away from the taller Jones.

The flipside to the impressive play by the cornerbacks was a lack of impressive performances at wide receiver. Only one receiver on the South team looked dangerous – Joe Adams of Arkansas, who submitted a superlative practice. Adams is undersized at 5-10, 174, but he can create separation with ease and he made two separate outstanding diving catches. Adams likely fits as a slot receiver at the next level, but he also has value as a potential return specialist. Speaking of which, six players took reps as punt returners for the South: Adams, Jenkins, Boykin, Houston wide receiver Pat Edwards, Alabama wide receiver Marquis Maze and Florida running back Chris Rainey.

Finally, the first day of quarterback competition was an easy victory in favor of Oklahoma State’s Brandon Weeden, the 28-year-old former Minor League baseball player. Weeden was on point all afternoon long, hitting receivers in stride in one-on-one drills, seven-on-sevens and, more importantly, team drills. Weeden also impressed with his ability to throw on the move, especially rolling left on a few play-action plays. Knowing that every team will be concerned about his advanced age, Weeden was very polished following practice in his explanation of using his maturity as a strength, rather than a weakness. Perhaps the upside isn’t atmospheric with Weeden, but his floor is relatively high. Arizona’s Nick Foles, on the other hand, has a stronger arm than Weeden but struggled with accuracy at times in intermediate routes and was understandably not quite calibrated with his receivers on deep balls. Foles did show nice awareness on a few check-downs in the face of pressure. Most expects Foles to rebound with better performances as the week goes on. San Diego State’s Ryan Lindley is a level below both Weeden and Foles.

jd1020
01-23-2012, 09:39 PM
On the QB front:
5. Ryan Lindley, QB, San Diego State, 6-4, 229, 5.10 (South). At one point during practice, Lindley had thrown almost as many passes into the turf as into his receivers' hands. He showed slight improvement later, but not enough to save the day. He looked like a slow-twitch athlete who was deliberate in his movement. He also had the worst arm strength among South QBs.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-01-23/senior-bowl-dish-day-1-of-practice-reveals-a-lot#ixzz1kLSY79Av

I'm honestly shocked that Lindley was terribly inaccurate. Really. I am.

Setsuna
01-23-2012, 09:52 PM
Ohio State sucks and Florida is better than them. I'm not saying how much better, but they are better. That point has been proven when it mattered time and time again. The postseason record proves the point and nothing anyone says can refute that. Hating on the SEC is ritual here.

aturnis
01-23-2012, 10:24 PM
Really, I'm talking about the quality of the program, and what it can give the player. Not what the players give to it. OSU is a great program. Florida doesn't develop talent anywhere near as well as OSU.

NJChiefsFan
01-23-2012, 10:59 PM
Really, I'm talking about the quality of the program, and what it can give the player. Not what the players give to it. OSU is a great program. Florida doesn't develop talent anywhere near as well as OSU.

Didn't hurt that, like him or not, Florida had one of the best college players of all time when Florida played Ohio State.

ChiefsCountry
01-24-2012, 01:35 AM
Didn't hurt that, like him or not, Florida had one of the best college players of all time when Florida played Ohio State.

Chris Leak

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2012, 05:45 AM
Which one produces a more with less?

Oh, please. Over the past decade both programs have averaged top-15 recruiting classes. It's not like we're comparing David and Goliath.

Way to go, Florida beat up on a down OSU team b/c some idiots decided to sells their trophy/memorabilia material.


Last year was probably the worst Florida team in a decade.

Really, I'm talking about the quality of the program, and what it can give the player. Not what the players give to it. OSU is a great program. Florida doesn't develop talent anywhere near as well as OSU.

Over the past 5 NFL drafts each program has had 27 players selected.

Round
1st: Florida 8 - ohio state 6
2nd: Florida 4 - ohio state 2
3rd: Florida 3 - ohio state 1
4th: Florida 4 - ohio state 5
5th: Florida 3 - ohio state 5
6th: Florida 1 - ohio state 3
7th: Florida 4 - ohio state 5

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2012, 05:46 AM
Didn't hurt that, like him or not, Florida had one of the best college players of all time when Florida played Ohio State.

Chris Leak

Outstanding. :thumb:

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2012, 05:50 AM
Elsewhere at cornerback, Georgia’s Brandon Boykin, 5-9, 183, was impressive in coverage and Furman’s Ryan Steed was not overwhelmed by the talent bump. Boykin made one particularly impressive play in one-on-ones when North Carolina wide receiver Dwight Jones had a step on him but Boykin knocked the ball away from the taller Jones.

I like Brandon Boykin a lot.

Finally, the first day of quarterback competition was an easy victory in favor of Oklahoma State’s Brandon Weeden, the 28-year-old former Minor League baseball player. .

28 year old college QBs are pathetic.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-24-2012, 10:00 AM
Garland Gillen @garlandgillen
Notables at SR. Bowl: Jets HC Rex Ryan, Chiefs HC Romeo Crennel, Broncos HC John Fox, Broncos GM John Elway, Cowboys DC Rob Ryan.

Pestilence
01-24-2012, 10:05 AM
Finally, the first day of quarterback competition was an easy victory in favor of Oklahoma State’s Brandon Weeden, the 28-year-old former Minor League baseball player. Weeden was on point all afternoon long, hitting receivers in stride in one-on-one drills, seven-on-sevens and, more importantly, team drills. Weeden also impressed with his ability to throw on the move, especially rolling left on a few play-action plays. Knowing that every team will be concerned about his advanced age, Weeden was very polished following practice in his explanation of using his maturity as a strength, rather than a weakness. Perhaps the upside isn’t atmospheric with Weeden, but his floor is relatively high.

I'm fully expecting us to take Weeden.

Pioli likes players with high floors and Weeden is the epitome of that.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-24-2012, 10:11 AM
I'm fully expecting us to take Weeden.

Pioli likes players with high floors and Weeden is the epitome of that.

I hope we stay away from Weeden. He has what...5 years of QB play in him?

Chiefnj2
01-24-2012, 10:13 AM
I hope we stay away from Weeden. He has what...5 years of QB play in him?

I'll take 5 years of Weeden over 2-3 years of Orton/Cassel and then another mediocre vet.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-24-2012, 10:15 AM
I'll take 5 years of Weeden over 2-3 years of Orton/Cassel and then another mediocre vet.

I would too...it would just be a shame knowing we will be in the same situation in a few more years looking for his replacement.

Direckshun
01-24-2012, 10:15 AM
Favorite measurables so far:

Nick Foles is huge, with big hands. Love. It.

Alameda Ta'amu still seems more like a 4-3 nose than a 3-4 nose when I watch him play, but at 341 lbs, he might change my mind. Might. He'll be there at our second rounder.

Russell Wilson is a little smaller by an inch or two than I thought. Kellen Moore is no where near where I thought he was -- he's actually six feet tall. He's officially a low rounder.

Vick Ballard looks really solid, but he's a teency bit smaller than I anticipated.

All the best talent at RB is with the big RBs.

Kinda small TEs this year. The NFL is craving the more athletic types now.

Cordy Glenn is massive -- 6'4", 350 lbs.

This draft is rich in thumper ILBs. I like Belcher, but if we want one, we can get one virtually anywhere in this draft.

DJ's left nut
01-24-2012, 10:15 AM
Holy crap. Removing Russell Wilson from my list.

Longer arms, thicker frame.

Of the two, I'd prefer Wilson's physical attributes. Moore's a marginally better prospect, but I still think Wilson has a better frame.

O.city
01-24-2012, 10:39 AM
Hope we could get Polk, I like him alot.


If Burfict is around in the second or third round we def need to grab him.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 10:53 AM
I noticed that awhile back.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8205181&postcount=22

Cousins is who I hope the Chiefs go after since they aren't going to be going after any QB in the first, no matter how bad people on here want to believe they will.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_qiprnWO5go" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:30 and 1:43.

No thank you. Not sure what you see in this guy. He made a few play there in that video, but his footwork looks like shit, he bounces around in the pocket and he has that same funky Matt Cassel wind up in his throws.

I don't see anything in that video that would lead me to believe he can be a great QB.

Frosty
01-24-2012, 10:57 AM
During the Senior Bowl practice segment on NFL Network yesterday, Mayock compared Kellen Moore's arm strength to Tyler Palko's. He said Moore's was a little better but it was damning with faint praise, IMO.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 10:59 AM
Sucks to hear about Lindley. Weakest arm? Yikes. He sure as hell didn't display a weak arm in the games he played. If he doesn't get his shit together, dude is in for a major slide.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 10:59 AM
During the Senior Bowl practice segment on NFL Network yesterday, Mayock compared Kellen Moore's arm strength to Tyler Palko's. He said Moore's was a little better but it was damning with faint praise, IMO.

Comparing someone to Tyler Palko is NEVER a good thing.

Frosty
01-24-2012, 11:02 AM
Comparing someone to Tyler Palko is NEVER a good thing.

They mostly showed Wilson and Cousins but the few times that the showed Moore throw, it looked to me like was really heaving it to get it out there.

Chiefnj2
01-24-2012, 11:51 AM
Tuesday Morning North

10:42 a.m. CT -- S George Iloka of Boise State just made a beautiful interception of a pass thrown by Kirk Cousins. Iloka stepped in front of the receiver and grabbed the ball away.

- RB Chris Polk of Washington display terrific straigh ahead speed and power yet shows little in the way of creativity or the ability to elude defenders.

- DL Mike Martin of Michigan continues to impress. He's shown the ability to finish plays today and has been a disruptive force all day.

- DT Derek Wolfe of Cincinnati has been mostly quiet but just made a terrific play beating a double team block to get behind the line of scrimmage.

- WR Marvn McNutt of Iowa continues to struggle. He had a step on a defender 30 yards downfield, Leonard Johnsin of Iowa State, but dropped a pass perfectly placed in his hands by Kirk Cousins.

- OL Joe Looney of Wake Forest, who replaced the injured Garth Gerhart, is gingerly walking off the field with what looks like an ankle injury.

- LB James-Michael Johnson of Nevada has shown a lot of athleticism on the field today. He easily moves about the field, showing the ability to quickly get outside the box or get depth on pass drops. He's not made many plays on the ball, but is omnipresent moving around the field.

- WR Gerrell Robinson of Arizona State made several terrific catches in scrimmage. He continues to run good routes and really does a nice job using his 220-pound frame to box out cornerbacks and physically beat them down for the catch.

- RB Doug Martin of Boise State continues to impress scouts with his versatility. Beside displaying a variety of skils carrying the ball he looked good returning kicks during special teams practice.

- CB Asa Jackson of Cal-Poly has been quiet during the defensive drills but looked very good returning punts. He's been able to handle the 60-yard moonshots that have been coming off the foot of Wisconsin's Brad Nortman on a very breezy day.

10:18 a.m. CT -- QB Russell Wilson of Wisconsin has been up and down all morning. At times he throws beautiful, catchable passes that quickly arrive to the receivers' hands. Other times his passes resemble a wounded duck as they flutter in the air.

- RB Doug Martin of Boise State has looked terrific thus far. He runs with great quickness and shows a burst through the hole. Martin is also very patient and does a nice job side-stepping defenders to create yardage.

- DT Mike Martin of Michigan has been a disruptive force all morning. He just threw Penn State lineman Johnnie Troutman to the ground and blew up a running play.

- RB Isaiah Pead of Cincinnati is again the toughest running back to tackle. He shows terrific footwork and just gave Notre Dame safety Harrison Smith a nice stiff arm to keep his play alive.

- WR Brian Quick of Appalachian State continues to struggle. He shows very limited quickness in his game and cannot separate from defenders.

- TE Emil Igwenagu of UMass has looked terrific as a blocker this morning. He's lined up at both fullback and on the line as a tight end, and no one has been able to get by him. He's small, but tough and strong. Igwenagu just made a terrific catch in double coverage.

- OL Kevin Zeitler of Wisconsin has been shifting with Mike Brewster at the center position today.

- DT Kendall Reyes of UConn has been a force this morning. He shows great explosion off the snap, as well as a variety of moves with his hands. Reyes has gotten a lot of penetration and just destoryed Zeitler of Wisconsin in one-on-one drills.

- C Mike Brewster of Ohio State and DT Mike Martine of Michigan are again battling hard in practice. Brewster laughed about it yesterday and noted it's just a continuation of what's taken place the past four years.

- G Kelechi Osemele of Iowa State has had a solid morning. He uses his wide body to seal defenders from the action and was able to overwhelm the smaller Vinny Curry.

- OL Tony Bergstrom of Utah has had a solid day. One one play he steered the athletic Jack Craford of Penn State from his pass-rush angle, then in another instance buried Billy Winn of Boise State. Winn has not looked good at all. He looked sloppy in weigh-ins and has not been a factor at all in practice.

10 a.m. CT -- Safety George Iloka of Boise State has had a quick start to the morning. He looks terrific in drills, displaying sound footwork in reverse and the ability to burst to the ball out of his plant.

- QB Kellen Moore of Boise State continues to struggle. The speed on his throws is notably slower than any of the other signal callers at practice this morning.

- WR Gerell Robinson of Arizona State looks solid. He runs exceptionally quick and crisp routes for a receiver that tips the scales in excess of 220 pounds.

- QB Kirk Cousins of Michigan State continues to throw the ball with terrific speed and velocity. Receivers are never waiting on the pass as they leave their breaks.

- OLB Shea McCLellin of Boise State continues to impress since making the move to linebacker. He destroyed several running backs and fullbacks this morning in pass-rushing drills in which he simulated standing up over a tackle.

- What's so impressive about T Mike Adams of Ohio State is the way he easily moves his 330-pound frame around the field. Even this morning, when asked to block in motion, Adams quickly gets out to the second level and is able to adjust and block linebackers thanks to his agililty.

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2012, 11:54 AM
Favorite measurables so far:

Kellen Moore is no where near where I thought he was -- he's actually six feet tall. He's officially a low rounder.

Vick Ballard looks really solid, but he's a teency bit smaller than I anticipated.

All the best talent at RB is with the big RBs.



Moore is short with small hands. Nothing's changed.

Ballard is 5'10" 217. That's perfect size, IMO.

Longer arms, thicker frame.

Of the two, I'd prefer Wilson's physical attributes. Moore's a marginally better prospect, but I still think Wilson has a better frame.

Of the two I'd prefer Wilson, but I don't want either.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 12:08 PM
Cousins on his way to moving ahead of Pioli's draftable QB rounds. SOB needs to have a bad pratice already.

Chiefnj2
01-24-2012, 12:11 PM
Cousins on his way to moving ahead of Pioli's draftable QB rounds. SOB needs to have a bad pratice already.

He's going to look great compared to the other guys on his team.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 12:11 PM
No thank you. Not sure what you see in this guy. He made a few play there in that video, but his footwork looks like shit, he bounces around in the pocket and he has that same funky Matt Cassel wind up in his throws.

I don't see anything in that video that would lead me to believe he can be a great QB.

Meh.

Ryan Lindley is going to light shit up in the NFL with his air mail and bounce passes.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 12:49 PM
Meh.

Ryan Lindley is going to light shit up in the NFL with his air mail and bounce passes.

What does Lindley have to do with Cousins' shit footwork and Cassel-esque wind up arm?

jd1020
01-24-2012, 12:51 PM
What does Lindley have to do with Cousin's shit footwork and Cassel-esque wind up arm?

Just pointing out your dislike for a "shitty" QB who's impressing people to a QB who is a career 55% passer and apparently a not so strong arm.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 12:56 PM
Just pointing out your dislike for a "shitty" QB who's impressing people to a QB who is a career 55% passer and apparently a not so strong arm.

So are you denying that Cousins has shit footwork and a Cassel Arm? Because the evidence is right there on the youtube clip you showed.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 12:58 PM
So are you denying that Cousins has shit footwork and a Cassel Arm? Because the evidence is right there on the youtube clip you showed.

I think its pretty clear that Cousins does not have a "Cassel arm."

Chocolate Hog
01-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Cousins, Polk, Brewster, Adams, Jenkins, and McNutt.

Chiefnj2
01-24-2012, 02:58 PM
ShanePHallam Shane P. Hallam
So far, Ryan Lindley is throwing EVERYTHING into the ground. #seniorbowl
1 hour ago

KCrockaholic
01-24-2012, 03:34 PM
ShanePHallam Shane P. Hallam
So far, Ryan Lindley is throwing EVERYTHING into the ground. #seniorbowl
1 hour ago

Tebow?

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 03:40 PM
ShanePHallam Shane P. Hallam
So far, Ryan Lindley is throwing EVERYTHING into the ground. #seniorbowl
1 hour ago

What a shame. Guess he has one game to prove himself. Oh Well.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 03:41 PM
I think its pretty clear that Cousins does not have a "Cassel arm."

He has that same damn wind up.

KCrockaholic
01-24-2012, 03:44 PM
He has that same damn wind up.

If that's your only problem with him, it's not a very good one.

This throwing motion isn't a big deal. It's about whether he can read the defense, look off safeties, move his feet in the pocket, throw accurate passes, and get them there on time. If you want to complain about Cousin's QB ability, his throwing motion shouldn't be the first place to start.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 04:24 PM
He has that same damn wind up.

Really? Thats what you are going with? Yawn.

Maybe you could teach Lindley a thing or 2 about throwing mechanics. I mean... It's "an easy" fix and all. Seems the NFL coaches at the Senior Bowl can't figure it out.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 04:51 PM
Tebow?

Tebow's worst season in college was 64%.

Lindley's best season in college is 57%.

Setsuna
01-24-2012, 05:04 PM
A million bucks says Jags get Brian quick as the first WR in the draft, maybe only. GM is THAT awful.

Setsuna
01-24-2012, 05:06 PM
I hope you guys clean up in the draft.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:17 PM
Tebow's worst season in college was 64%.

Lindley's best season in college is 57%.

Yeah, because they run the same system, right? You don't know dick about the Aztecs, they're not exactly a team loaded with superior talent. Still not sure what Lindley has to do with your infatuation with Cousins anyway.

Wether Lindley makes it or not doesn't change the fact that Cousins doesn't look like an NFL QB.

But go ahead, continue acting like a bitch like you always do and watch your boy do absolutely nothing in the NFL.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:18 PM
Yeah, because they run the same system, right? You don't know dick about the Aztecs, they're not exactly a team loaded with superior talent. Still not sure what Lindley has to do with your infatuation with Cousins anyway.

Wether Lindley makes it or not doesn't change the fact that Cousins doesn't look like an NFL QB.

But go ahead, continue acting like a bitch like you always do and watch your boy do absolutely nothing in the NFL.

Lindley has nothing to do with Cousins. I'm just mocking your "knowledge" on the subject.

And I really don't care about a system. Lindley can't throw a football with any consistency or accuracy. That has nothing to do with a system.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:22 PM
Lindley has nothing to do with Cousins. I'm just mocking your "knowledge" on the subject.

And I really don't care about a system. Lindley can't throw a football with any consistency or accuracy. That has nothing to do with a system.

You have yet to tell me anything I don't know.

I'm pretty sure i've stated that multiple times. It's something he obviously needs to work on. Same way Cousins needs to work on his happy feet and funky throwing motion.

Why you got your panties in a bunch because I threw that out there is beyond me.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:23 PM
You have yet to tell me anything I don't know.

I'm pretty sure i've stated that multiple times. It's something he obviously needs to work on. Same way Cousins needs to work on his happy feet and funky throwing motion.

Why you got your panties in a bunch because I threw that out there is beyond me.

My panties aren't in a bunch over anything. Stop pretending to know something.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:25 PM
My panties aren't in a bunch over anything. Stop pretending to know something.

Lol.


That's funny coming from you for multiple reasons....the guy who was so convinced regarding the Manning/Rivers saga....even though half the fucking board came out and told you you were dead wrong....and still couldn't accept it....

Yeah some fucking guru you are.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:34 PM
Lol.


That's funny coming from you for multiple reasons....the guy who was so convinced regarding the Manning/Rivers saga....even though half the ****ing board came out and told you you were dead wrong....and still couldn't accept it....

Yeah some ****ing guru you are.

I wasn't wrong about the fact that SD wanted Manning over Rivers. AJ Smith is still bitter over Manning...

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:35 PM
I wasn't wrong about the fact that SD wanted Manning over Rivers. AJ Smith is still bitter over Manning...

And you still can't accept it.

ROFL

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:35 PM
And you still can't accept it.

ROFL

I'll take AJ Smiths words over some idiot on a forum trying to pimp Ryan Lindley. Sorry.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:42 PM
I'll take AJ Smiths words over some idiot on a forum trying to pimp Ryan Lindley. Sorry.

AJ Smiths words....lol....gtfo

Go ahead and find the quote.....so fucking stupid, man.

And you act like trying to pimp Cousins makes you some sort of guru....ROFL

So much butthurt from you just because I said Cousins has several flaws.

So insecure aren't we?

O.city
01-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Here is an article I found about th whole thing.

A.J. Smith still salty about Eli Manning
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 4, 2011, 9:34 AM EST
AJ Smith AP

Eli Manning may have the Super Bowl ring, but the Chargers got the better quarterback in their 2004 draft day trade for Philip Rivers. They also got kicker Nate Kaeding and linebacker Shawne Merriman in the deal.

Despite all that, plenty of Chargers fans still have animosity towards Manning for forcing his way out of town. It sounds like Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith does as well.

“He was a Charger for 45 minutes,” Smith told the Sporting News “and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion.”

It’s not that Smith regrets the move. But he clearly still doesn’t like how the situation was handled, even if it worked in his favor.

“He was a value pick,” Smith said about Manning. “He was a bar of gold.”

Smith turned that bar into a nice package of players, but that wouldn’t have mattered unless Rivers turned into one of the best quarterbacks of the league. We’d put him at the top of the list of best active quarterbacks without a title.

“I believe with my heart and soul that he one day will lead the Chargers to a world championship,” Smith said. “He’s a great quarterback—a phenomenal leader with great character, great work habits.”

We agree. Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title. Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:46 PM
Here is an article I found about th whole thing.

A.J. Smith still salty about Eli Manning
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 4, 2011, 9:34 AM EST
AJ Smith AP

Eli Manning may have the Super Bowl ring, but the Chargers got the better quarterback in their 2004 draft day trade for Philip Rivers. They also got kicker Nate Kaeding and linebacker Shawne "roidman" Merriman in the deal.

Despite all that, plenty of Chargers fans still have animosity towards Manning for forcing his way out of town. It sounds like Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith does as well.

“He was a Charger for 45 minutes,” Smith told the Sporting News “and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion.”

It’s not that Smith regrets the move. But he clearly still doesn’t like how the situation was handled, even if it worked in his favor.

“He was a value pick,” Smith said about Manning. “He was a bar of gold.”

Smith turned that bar into a nice package of players, but that wouldn’t have mattered unless Rivers turned into one of the best quarterbacks of the league. We’d put him at the top of the list of best active quarterbacks without a title.

“I believe with my heart and soul that he one day will lead the Chargers to a world championship,” Smith said. “He’s a great quarterback—a phenomenal leader with great character, great work habits.”

We agree. Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title. Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too.

Yup. Sounds like AJ had a real hard on for the guy......

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:49 PM
AJ Smiths words....lol....gtfo

Go ahead and find the quote.....so ****ing stupid, man.

And you act like trying to pimp Cousins makes you some sort of guru....ROFL

So much butthurt from you just because I said Cousins has several flaws.

So insecure aren't we?

You named one of Cousins flaws as having a "Matt Cassel arm."

Nothing about Cousins arm looks like Matt Cassel.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:51 PM
You named one of Cousins flaws as having a "Matt Cassel arm."

Nothing about Cousins arm looks like Matt Cassel.

His fucking wind up is practically identical. JFC how can you NOT see that?????

Are you kidding me????

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:52 PM
His ****ing wind up is practically identical. JFC how can you NOT see that?????

Are you kidding me????

Point me in the direction of a QB who throws the ball from his chest.

O.city
01-24-2012, 05:54 PM
He does have to raise his elbow a little above the ball to get it out, which is a little winduppy but he has more than enough velocity for it to work.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:57 PM
Point me in the direction of a QB who throws the ball from his chest.

:facepalm:

His throwing motion is wound up and elongated. FFS, look at the first pass he throws in that clip you posted, he even has the same damn leg lift on his follow through.

His mechanics are practically on par with Cassel's.

He bounces around in the pocket and does not look poised at all.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 05:57 PM
Matt Cassel throwing a 50ish yard TD pass.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d823aacc3/QB-Cassel-to-WR-Baldwin-39-yd-pass-TD

Please point out to me where the TD Cousins threw at :30 in the clip I posted looks anything even remotely close to this slow arching pos.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 05:59 PM
He does have to raise his elbow a little above the ball to get it out, which is a little winduppy but he has more than enough velocity for it to work.

Cassel puts some good velocity on his windup passes as well.

The problem isn't the velocity. It's the release. That windup gives DB's more time to break on the ball.

It's a HUGE problem for Cassel and has been pointed out here a ton.

But all of a sudden it's ok for Cousins, because he's not Cassel?


:facepalm:

O.city
01-24-2012, 06:01 PM
Cousins has more of a wind up than Cassel, but has a ton more arm strength.

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 06:02 PM
Please point out to me where the TD Cousins threw at :30 in the clip I posted looks anything even remotely close to this slow arching pos.

Oh, are you talking about the play where your boy rolled right INTO the fucking sack but was bailed out by his lineman? THAT play?

Not to mention the shit job he did on the play action. Dude didn't sell it worth shit, ala Cassel.

O.city
01-24-2012, 06:05 PM
Cassels problem is really a combination of things.

He has the slow release/windup which allows dbs to break on the ball, he doesn't have the arm strength to get past that, and when he does muster up enough strength to get it there it isn't near accurate enough.

Add that with his poor vision and you have a recipe for suc......disaster.

jd1020
01-24-2012, 06:08 PM
Oh, are you talking about the play where your boy rolled right INTO the ****ing sack but was bailed out by his lineman? THAT play?

Not to mention the shit job he did on the play action. Dude didn't sell it worth shit, ala Cassel.

How does one get bailed out by someone who didn't even touch the guy who was near the QB until he was 10 yards in the backfield?

Cassel doesn't have near the arm strength as Cousins. Cassel isn't accurate. Cassel can't read more than 1 route. Cassel didn't start at QB in college.

Willie Lanier
01-24-2012, 06:10 PM
Just watched some of the practice, Rainey from FLA looks like a burner that could be developed...

The guard from Georgia looked good too...

Detoxing
01-24-2012, 06:13 PM
How does one get bailed out by someone who didn't even touch the guy who was near the QB until he was 10 yards in the backfield?

Cassel doesn't have near the arm strength as Cousins. Cassel isn't accurate. Cassel can't read more than 1 route. Cassel didn't start at QB in college.

Dude....he rolled right into it. Had he not received that block he would've been crushed. Must be that great awareness of his, right? FFS, even the commentators mention it.

If you cant even see THAT...then I really have nothing left to say to you anymore.

Your boy has his Warts. Deal with it.

Just because I point them out you have to get all defensive.....lol.


Do you see me over here getting all Anal because i may have been wrong about Lindley?

He has his warts, warts that I've acknowledged numerous times BEFORE, let me emphasis the BEFORE part again, BEFORE the senior bowl.

Yet you wanna try to throw that shit back in my face like it means something? ROFL.

O.city
01-24-2012, 06:15 PM
What do you guys think of Mike Adams if he last to he second to play RT?

jd1020
01-24-2012, 06:25 PM
Dude....he rolled right into it. Had he not received that block he would've been crushed. Must be that great awareness of his, right? FFS, even the commentators mention it.

If you cant even see THAT...then I really have nothing left to say to you anymore.

Your boy has his Warts. Deal with it.

Just because I point them out you have to get all defensive.....lol.


Do you see me over here getting all Anal because i may have been wrong about Lindley?

He has his warts, warts that I've acknowledged numerous times BEFORE, let me emphasis the BEFORE part again, BEFORE the senior bowl.

Yet you wanna try to throw that shit back in my face like it means something? ROFL.

When did I ever say Cousins was perfect?

If he was he'd be going #1 instead of Luck.

I've simply said I'd like the Chiefs to go after Cousins because of 2 reasons.

1) The Chiefs aren't drafting a QB in the first round.
2) Cousins is not going to be drafted in the first round. He might not even be drafted on day 2.

The only thing you can come up with against him is "Cassel." Too bad anyone with credibility has said the opposite.

O.city
01-24-2012, 06:29 PM
I like Cousins alot. Anyway he makes it to the 4 round?

jd1020
01-24-2012, 06:43 PM
I like Cousins alot. Anyway he makes it to the 4 round?

He is in the group of QBs projected to go on the second day. But I doubt it.

If he keeps on impressing like he is he's going to be the Dalton/Kaepernick of 2012.

Both of those guys were in the 2nd day group but they emerged as the best out of the group and went early.

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2012, 07:15 PM
Just watched some of the practice, Rainey from FLA looks like a burner that could be developed...


Developed into what?

O.city
01-24-2012, 07:17 PM
Slot guy?

Willie Lanier
01-24-2012, 08:59 PM
Developed into what?

Something more than a track star... Don't get sensitive, I like the kid, just saying he needs work... His routes (other than go routes) looked mediocre, but he looks real good in 1 on 1's in thud drills..

DJ's left nut
01-24-2012, 09:30 PM
What do you guys think of Mike Adams if he last to he second to play RT?

You draft him and thank the draft Gods that he fell.

I'd JIMP at the chance to take Adams in the 2nd. Our O-line would be set for a long time, IMO.

O.city
01-24-2012, 09:45 PM
Ohio State offensive tackle Mike Adams is a potential first-round pick but he is very inconsistent. He can look great and terrible in back-to-back plays. His first rep was a loss as Virginia defensive end Cam Johnson blew by him on a speed rush. Penn State defensive Jack Crawford did the same thing. Adams rebounded to get some wins including a rush that he stopped cold from Johnson. Adams is a more advanced run blocker than pass blocker entering the next level.


Just saw this on Walterfootball.

It sounds like the Browns are interested with one of their first round picks. Maybe maybe not.

Sounds like he would be a perfect RT. If he fell into the second even better. Would be good for the Browns to pair with Joe Thomas.

aturnis
01-24-2012, 10:58 PM
When did I ever say Cousins was perfect?

If he was he'd be going #1 instead of Luck.

I've simply said I'd like the Chiefs to go after Cousins because of 2 reasons.

1) The Chiefs aren't drafting a QB in the first round.
2) Cousins is not going to be drafted in the first round. He might not even be drafted on day 2.

The only thing you can come up with against him is "Cassel." Too bad anyone with credibility has said the opposite.

You're wrong. While he throws a better ball than Cassel, he does have a long delivery. Not only is that a problem with DB's jumping routes, but if the pocket collapses around him, he'll be less likely to get a quick pass off and if he tries, very likely a dlineman gets a strip from behind.

Other than that, Tox is right about his footwork too.

Stop being an idiot. Tenacity is not going to win you arguments, so stop trying. Detox never said he IS Cassel. Just pointed out that he has a very similar delivery. Longer, but a little more compact from top to bottom. Also quicker are speed when coming forward. Still though, he has that "shot put" delivery.

aturnis
01-24-2012, 11:00 PM
He is in the group of QBs projected to go on the second day. But I doubt it.

If he keeps on impressing like he is he's going to be the Dalton/Kaepernick of 2012.

Both of those guys were in the 2nd day group but they emerged as the best out of the group and went early.

The guy is benefiting in these reports b/c everyone else around him sucks badly by comparison. He's not terrible, but he's not Dalton either. Hell, he's not even Stanzi.

aturnis
01-24-2012, 11:03 PM
What do you guys think of Mike Adams if he last to he second to play RT?

I think we've got a RT...

Chiefnj2
01-25-2012, 05:55 AM
I don't see the long delivery people are talking about with Cousins.

DaKCMan AP
01-25-2012, 06:25 AM
Something more than a track star... Don't get sensitive, I like the kid, just saying he needs work... His routes (other than go routes) looked mediocre, but he looks real good in 1 on 1's in thud drills..

Rainey isn't a track star. Demps is and he's decided to focus on track instead of the NFL.

I'm not being sensitive, I was truly asking what you'd develop him into? Specifically for the Chiefs, I don't see a fit. He'd fill the exact role that McCluster occupies.

Tribal Warfare
01-25-2012, 06:51 AM
What do you guys think of Mike Adams if he last to he second to play RT?


I thought your boy David Mims has that locked down. ;)

Mr_Tomahawk
01-25-2012, 10:25 AM
Next OC and QB?

Eh...

Shane P. Hallam @ShanePHallam Close
Jim Zorn complimented a throw from Kirk Cousins "nice touch" #seniorbowl #chiefs

Mr_Tomahawk
01-25-2012, 10:32 AM
Evan Silva @evansilva
From @caplannfl on #BoiseState QB Kellen Moore: "Reminds me of ... Tyler Palko."

LMAO

Detoxing
01-25-2012, 10:37 AM
Next OC and QB?

Eh...

Shane P. Hallam @ShanePHallam Close
Jim Zorn complimented a throw from Kirk Cousins "nice touch" #seniorbowl #chiefs

We're basically over here arguing about who is the better 4th round prospect. I was hoping Lindley would take the bull by the horns since he has a much more natural arm and throwing motion. He also keeps his feet under him when throwing darts.

But, by the sound of it, it seems that he's doing himself no favors. His accuracy has been all over the place this past season and he's apparently done nothing to fix that.

Outside of the top 2, and possibly Tannehill if you're on board that train, there is nothing exciting about this year's group of QB's.

They all have their flaws and they're pretty serious flaws.

O.city
01-25-2012, 11:31 AM
Mims probably has that RT spot on lock down, so we can move on. I forgot about that.

Chocolate Hog
01-25-2012, 11:45 AM
What did Mims ever do to show he's a right tackle in the league?

O.city
01-25-2012, 11:48 AM
Nothing.


He lives next door to me so I like to hope he will make something of himself.

Its highly unlikely.

Chocolate Hog
01-25-2012, 11:51 AM
Does anyone know what time NFL Network will be showing the practice today? Can I get a stream?

Tribal Warfare
01-25-2012, 08:23 PM
2012 Senior Bowl: Wednesday Rumor Mill (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012rumors3.php)

Sources have said the Kansas City Chiefs have emphasized studying the offensive linemen this week. The Chiefs had a big hole at right tackle this season. If they draft a natural left tackle, they could move Brandon Albert to the right side. If the value isn't there for the Chiefs to land a good left tackle in the first round, they could look to get a right tackle on the second day of the 2012 NFL Draft.

O.city
01-25-2012, 08:25 PM
I don't think any of those guys actually watch the Chiefs.


Albert, IMO was very solid this yera.

the Talking Can
01-25-2012, 09:44 PM
they don't....

Albert as a RT?...that's saccofbats level dumb

KCrockaholic
01-25-2012, 10:46 PM
People that bitch about Albert either don't know anything about football, or don't watch Albert play.

Saccopoo
01-26-2012, 02:19 AM
they don't....

Albert as a RT?...that's saccofbats level dumb

You are a tard.

Albert doesn't have the push or the redirect to play right tackle.

He's actually lucky that Herm and Carl drafted him to play left tackle because I think, at this point, he'd make a pretty shitty right tackle and I don't think he's got the base or strength to play inside at guard in the NFL.

He's a mid-level NFL left tackle at best.

At this point, he's okay on that side for the Chiefs. As long as he stays at where he performed in 2011.

the Talking Can
01-26-2012, 06:35 AM
You are a tard.

Albert doesn't have the push or the redirect to play right tackle.

He's actually lucky that Herm and Carl drafted him to play left tackle because I think, at this point, he'd make a pretty shitty right tackle and I don't think he's got the base or strength to play inside at guard in the NFL.

He's a mid-level NFL left tackle at best.

At this point, he's okay on that side for the Chiefs. As long as he stays at where he performed in 2011.

People that bitch about Albert either don't know anything about football, or don't watch Albert play.

...

Detoxing
01-26-2012, 11:41 AM
2012 Senior Bowl: Wednesday Rumor Mill (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012rumors3.php)

Sources have said the Kansas City Chiefs have emphasized studying the offensive linemen this week. The Chiefs had a big hole at right tackle this season. If they draft a natural left tackle, they could move Brandon Albert to the right side. If the value isn't there for the Chiefs to land a good left tackle in the first round, they could look to get a right tackle on the second day of the 2012 NFL Draft.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore about how stupid people are when it comes to the Chiefs.

Yes. Lets draft a College LT, move a good NFL LT to RT and start the rookie at Left.

Fucking brilliant! Brilliant I say! That makes WAAAY more sense then drafting the best, most natural RT available, and starting him at his natural position, doesn't it?

Doesn't it? Right??

mrBIN
01-26-2012, 04:19 PM
hi there, very interesting things :)

Willie Lanier
01-26-2012, 04:51 PM
Good lord Cordy Glenn from Georgia looks good in these practices... haven't seen any of his tape but he looks DAMN good as a RT prospect

Dave Lane
01-26-2012, 10:15 PM
Yeah looks like he could be a steal on the 2nd day.

I would be happy with him.

Yuk 3 picks one TD

Tribal Warfare
01-26-2012, 11:15 PM
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htismaqe
01-27-2012, 09:17 AM
Good lord Cordy Glenn from Georgia looks good in these practices... haven't seen any of his tape but he looks DAMN good as a RT prospect

I was watching NFLN I think it was Wednesday morning when Mayock was talking about Glenn. I think he has a chance to be a very good RT based on what people are saying.

O.city
01-27-2012, 10:48 AM
What do you guys think about Joe Adams or Maze as a later round wr project?

Tribal Warfare
01-27-2012, 02:27 PM
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O.city
01-27-2012, 03:03 PM
Why do KC reporters not get to ask the question we all wanna know? It's like the Chiefs run the KC media like the Nazi's ran Germany. Everyone is scared of Pioli.


Bring back Whitlock.

suds79
01-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Why do KC reporters not get to ask the question we all wanna know? It's like the Chiefs run the KC media like the Nazi's ran Germany. Everyone is scared of Pioli.


Bring back Whitlock.

The organization sucks. They're never get an answer anyways.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-28-2012, 07:57 PM
I was unable to watch this.

Did anyone watch it? How did the QBs look?

Anyone have their stats?

jd1020
01-28-2012, 08:00 PM
I was unable to watch this.

Did anyone watch it? How did the QBs look?

Anyone have their stats?

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320283144

I didn't get to watch it either but from the sounds of the thread in the Lounge, everyone but Foles and Cousins were trash.

Personally, I care more about the practices. There's too much chaos in the actual game for anyone to get any kind of rhythm.

ArrowheadMagic
01-28-2012, 08:18 PM
What do you guys think about Joe Adams or Maze as a later round wr project?

Take Adams all day long.

Direckshun
01-28-2012, 09:00 PM
I was unable to watch this.

Did anyone watch it? How did the QBs look?

Anyone have their stats?

The QBs were... spotty.

Kellen Moore and Ryan Lindley looked pretty stinking bad.

Weeden and Kirk Cousins looked pretty good. Weeden threw an atrocious interception, but otherwise he and Cousins looked like they were able to read the defense and make multiple reads. I'd give the MVP to Cousins.

Foles was... disappointing. I think it's possible it just takes him longer to adjust to brand new teammates than his QB brethren. He threw a solid touchdown to his Arizona teammate, so maybe he just gets better when he's more familiar, whereas guys like Weeden and Cousins take to new surroundings like a duck to water.

Quentin Coples is a man among children.

I finally saw Alameda Ta'amu as a true nose tackle. He looked great -- I don't have the acumen to identify if he's more of a one-gapper or two-gapper, but he's got the size for two-gap football.

Isaiah Pead and Vick Ballard were, by far, the most impressive runners. Ganaway from Baylor was shit.

One other QB... the kid from Wisconsin looked really good. But he's just too limited. He's a backup prospect, maybe a 6th or 7th rounder.

aturnis
01-28-2012, 09:07 PM
I was unable to watch this.

Did anyone watch it? How did the QBs look?

Anyone have their stats?

Lindley looked like ass and Foles looked like a 3yr. project. Weeden looked like he might be able to transition, but is old of course. Kellen Moore and Kirk Cousins looked like the best QB's on the field.

Basically, stats aside, eyeball test only, I'd probably rank them(by tiers, players in this game only):

Tier 1:
Cousins
Moore
Weeden

Tier 2:
Foles

Tier 3:
Wilson
Lindley

aturnis
01-28-2012, 09:17 PM
The QBs were... spotty.

Kellen Moore and Ryan Lindley looked pretty stinking bad.

Weeden and Kirk Cousins looked pretty good. Weeden threw an atrocious interception, but otherwise he and Cousins looked like they were able to read the defense and make multiple reads. I'd give the MVP to Cousins.

Foles was... disappointing. I think it's possible it just takes him longer to adjust to brand new teammates than his QB brethren. He threw a solid touchdown to his Arizona teammate, so maybe he just gets better when he's more familiar, whereas guys like Weeden and Cousins take to new surroundings like a duck to water.

Quentin Coples is a man among children.

I finally saw Alameda Ta'amu as a true nose tackle. He looked great -- I don't have the acumen to identify if he's more of a one-gapper or two-gapper, but he's got the size for two-gap football.

Isaiah Pead and Vick Ballard were, by far, the most impressive runners. Ganaway from Baylor was shit.

One other QB... the kid from Wisconsin looked really good. But he's just too limited. He's a backup prospect, maybe a 6th or 7th rounder.

Foles lost a LOT of points with me b/c he couldn't get into any rhythm with any non Arizona receiver. He completed some short passes to other receivers and runningbacks, but when he missed a couple receivers, he went to Criner, and only Criner. Even looked for him all day on one play, until pressure was in his face and tried to hit another guy quick only to have it fall incomplete.

I really didn't like that about him. Moore's STATS look like shit, but both McNutt and Posey dropped a TD pass on consecutive plays for him along with a few other drops and he actually went deep once in a while. I actually came away feeling a lot better about Moore. Seems like he really has the head for the game and his only real big flaw has been his arm.

aturnis
01-28-2012, 09:21 PM
Wilson did not look good. He looked like fucking Tim Tebow out there.

aturnis
01-28-2012, 09:22 PM
Take Adams all day long.

This.

Both of the Adams (Joe and Mike) looked great in this game. I would be happy if either one became a Chief.

Tribal Warfare
01-28-2012, 09:41 PM
To me, there was a shit load of "meh" in comparison to other years. There wasn't a truly standout player outside of Coples.

aturnis
01-28-2012, 10:03 PM
To me, there was a shit load of "meh" in comparison to other years. There wasn't a truly standout player outside of Coples.

I thought there was a lot of good O and D line play. No lbers or dbacks really stood out to me. Wr's and QB's were meh like you said. I did like some of the RB play though.

Tribal Warfare
01-28-2012, 10:16 PM
I thought there was a lot of good O and D line play. No lbers or dbacks really stood out to me. Wr's and QB's were meh like you said. I did like some of the RB play though.


Alameda Ta'amu, quasi redeemed himself but that Baylor performance is still giving me a hesitation to give a full fledged endorsement in the first two maybe three rounds in selecting him. Its still my belief because Crennel is HC now that KC will pick a NT in either 1st or second round if they don't go for a starting caliber NT in FA.

O.city
01-28-2012, 10:19 PM
I thought Pead looked like the best rb there along with the dude form Boise.

I wasn't overly impressed with any qb, but came away thinking Cousins is an interesting pick.

Mike Adams would immediately upgrade the RT spot immensely and Joe Adams would be a perfect slot and return guy.

Detoxing
01-29-2012, 12:28 AM
Lindley looked like ass and Foles looked like a 3yr. project. Weeden looked like he might be able to transition, but is old of course. Kellen Moore and Kirk Cousins looked like the best QB's on the field.

Basically, stats aside, eyeball test only, I'd probably rank them(by tiers, players in this game only):

Tier 1:
Cousins
Moore
Weeden

Tier 2:
Foles

Tier 3:
Wilson
Lindley

Pretty much this. Though I think Weeden looked the most polished.

reschief
01-29-2012, 08:15 AM
Pretty much this. Though I think Weeden looked the most polished.

I'm beginning to wonder just how risk adverse Pioli really is -
1) Keeps his boy Cassell
2) Signs Orton because he did show ability and he has to accept the fact that Cassell will keep sucking
3) Drafts Weeden since he is the "safest" and mature choice of these remaining QB's -despite his age coming into the NFL

Could there be a more "safe" approach to this year's off season?

Chiefnj2
01-29-2012, 08:24 AM
If he is available anywhere from the 3rd round on, take Criner the WR from AZ. The kid was able to get separation consistently and had good hands. He was always open.

Chiefnj2
01-29-2012, 09:57 AM
From Tony Pauline at SCI.COM


The scouts and coaches left Mobile, Ala., on Thursday. The fans and campers headed home Saturday night after the North dominated the South 23-13 in the 2012 Senior Bowl. Several of the prospects we mentioned during the practices stood out during the contest, while a few who were quiet during the week also had nice performances. Here are the risers and sliders from the annual showcase for senior NFL prospects.
Risers
Isaiah Pead/RB/Cincinnati: At the start of Wednesday's practice it was mentioned how good Pead looked returning punts during special teams drills. Pead translated those skills from the practice field onto the game field and was named MVP of the Senior Bowl. Pead returned two punts for 60 and 38 yards, for an average of 49 yards. Pead looked like a veteran bringing the punts back, as he did a terrific job setting up his returns on both occasions. On offense he also had several nice runs, bursting through the open lanes and making defenders miss in the open field. Pead's solid week of practice coupled with the special teams skill showed during the game undoubtedly boosted his draft stock.
Kirk Cousins/QB/Michigan State: Cousins completed 5 of 11 passes for 115 yards, yet the stats tell a fraction of the story. Cousins made all the NFL throws from the pocket, displaying great speed on the ball while also putting touch on passes when required. His timing and accuracy was right on the mark as Cousins always gave his targets a good opportunity to make the reception. When he did miss on throws more times than not it was due to receiver error. It was important for Cousins to have a good game, as scouts questioned his judgment under center. At the Senior Bowl, decision-making was right on the money.
Mike Adams/T/Ohio State: During the week the consensus of scouts was the South squad had the best defensive ends of either roster. Adams was able to shut them down all game. On several occasions he stopped pass-rushing terrors Courtney Upshaw and Melvin Ingram dead in their tracks. Upshaw eventually sacked the passer, though the fault was not placed on Adams shoulders. His ability to stop quick, explosive pass-rushers in the game will give scouts even more to think about when they decide where in Round 1 one the talented tackle should be selected.
Alameda Ta'amu/DT/Washington: If scouts were hoping to be wowed by Ta'amu, all they need to due is watch the Senior Bowl game film. The big defensive tackle was dominant every time he lined up and was a constant nuisance for opponents. He collapsed the pocket on several occasions, overpowering opponents to make plays behind the line of scrimmage or force the action. His quarterback pressure at the end of the first half ended what looked to be a potential scoring drive for the South. In the second half the South was forced to double team Ta'amu in the attempt to slow him down.
Quinton Coples/DL/North Carolina: Coples flashed brilliance during the game, looking like a man among boys at times. His athleticism is incredible, as Coples beat opponents with quickness, speed and power. On several occasions he had Kelechi Osemele flailing in an attempt to slow him down. When he could not get to the quarterback, Coples got his long arms up to swat away passes. When he's on his game Coples is a difference-maker up front. The problem for scouts is determining how often Coples is willing to play at his highest level.
Mitchell Schwartz/T/California: Schwartz was the only offensive tackle to consistently shut down Coples during the game. He used great fundamentals and football smarts to keep the dominant defensive lineman at bay whenever they faced off. That's something scouts will take into consideration when they give Schwartz a final draft grade.
Vinny Curry/DE/Marshall: Curry continues to impress scouts with his ability to get penetration across the line of scrimmage. He was constantly in the backfield and his quarterback pressures in the first quarter caused a lot of problems for the South. On one occasion Curry bull rushed the much larger Zebrie Sanders into the pocket which resulted in a loss of yardage. Curry has significantly improved his draft stock this week and a good combine workout could secure him a spot in the late part of Round 1.
Doug Martin/RB/Boise State: Martin had several nice runs during the game, but its the little things he did well that made him stand out. In the first quarter Martin did a terrific job picking up pass protection assignments and knocked Melvin Ingram from the action on one occasion. Later in the half his downfield block allowed Arizona State receiver Gerrell Robinson to waltz into the end zone. Even before the game scouts stamped Martin as an early second-round choice.
Nigel Bradham/OLB/Florida State: Bradham was fast and athletic all game long, running down opponents from all directions of the field. He was terrific in pursuit and Bradham made several outstanding plays in open space. Bradham showed skill in pass defense and was on top of his game covering tight ends and running backs.
Sliders
Russell Wilson/QB/Wisconsin: Wilson was terrific when he lined up in the shotgun and was able to move outside the pocket and throw on the move. When he was asked to play in an NFL style offense it was a completely different story. From the pocket Wilson sprayed his passes around the field and missed an easy scoring opportunity early in the game when his throw was wide of the mark. He showed little in the way of pocket presence or the ability to sense the rush. Wilson is a tremendous athlete, but he needs a lot of work before he'll be an NFL-ready passer.
Donnie Fletcher/CB/Boston College: Fletcher was picked on most of the night and was constantly chasing receivers around the field. Opponents were getting behind Fletcher and he was giving up easy passes in underneath coverage. He also missed a big tackle on a screen pass which resulted in a long gain for the south.
Zebrie Sanders/T/Florida State: Sanders' tough week of practice continued through the game. He was constantly off balance, rarely moved opponents off the ball run blocking and was pushed back into the pocket on several occasions. Sanders also displayed poor footwork in pass protection and little ability to slide out and protect the edge.

the Talking Can
01-29-2012, 11:31 AM
To me, there was a shit load of "meh" in comparison to other years. There wasn't a truly standout player outside of Coples.

this whole draft feels that way compared to last year....

Detoxing
01-29-2012, 12:39 PM
this whole draft feels that way compared to last year....

This draft has a bit of an '09 feel to it. Not as bad as 09, but not as loaded as '10 & '11 IMO

aturnis
01-29-2012, 01:58 PM
Pretty much this. Though I think Weeden looked the most polished.

He showed his transition will be tough though. Both of his INT's were to LBer's underneath weren't they? Usually a problem for spread type QB's.