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Mr. Flopnuts
01-23-2012, 10:10 AM
According to Ron Paul's Facebook page. Apparently there was an anomaly in his body scan. Rand requested a 2nd body scan, the TSA wanted a full body pat down, and Rand refused. Good for him.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:11 AM
Only in Soviet Amerika.:mad:

Dallas Chief
01-23-2012, 10:13 AM
Prude.

jiveturkey
01-23-2012, 10:14 AM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8cYx9KktcJA/Txyjvzy_fDI/AAAAAAAAH4c/mCygZ6EJJ2s/h301/35rid1.jpeg

DanT
01-23-2012, 10:20 AM
You can tell America is in a bad way in regard to personal liberty just by going to an airport and watching all the time and money wasted scanning people who look like they have as much inclination to bring an airplane down as Orville Redenbacher has to ban popcorn.

Iowanian
01-23-2012, 10:22 AM
Lawmakers should be held to the same standards and inconvenience at an airport as any random person.

I think brideowanian must look like a terrorist because she gets "randomly selected" almost every time we fly.

suzzer99
01-23-2012, 10:22 AM
1st world problems

Iowanian
01-23-2012, 10:24 AM
I wonder what he had up his ass?

Brock
01-23-2012, 10:25 AM
Must be nice to not have to be anywhere in particular.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:39 AM
Eli Cryderman writes, "TSA mouthbreathers were surprised to find a sitting US Senator to have a spine and balls of steel!"

Not to mention a heart of gold.
Yup!

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:41 AM
Maybe Rand is doing this to bring a suit against the TSA to the courts? Things that make you go hmmmm.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-23-2012, 11:03 AM
I just read on cnn.com that he was turned away, not detained. Interesting.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 11:04 AM
I just read on cnn.com that he was turned away, not detained. Interesting.

They are pretty low life stupid employees so they may not have known who he was.

mlyonsd
01-23-2012, 11:15 AM
Any updates? Did he shoot his way onto the plane yet?

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 11:17 AM
Any updates? Did he shoot his way onto the plane yet?

LMAO

I only heard that he was escorted out of the airport and missed his flight.

orange
01-23-2012, 11:21 AM
He was rebooked on another flight and left without incident. Apparently got rid of the AquaBuddha waterpipe anomaly on his knee in the meantime.

Garcia Bronco
01-23-2012, 11:21 AM
AquaBuddha bong in the meantime.

No one knows what that is hippie.

orange
01-23-2012, 11:27 AM
No one knows what that is hippie.

http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Aqua-Buddha-180x180.jpg

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 11:30 AM
You're just jealous because blue is the opposite of orange!

Mr. Flopnuts
01-23-2012, 12:13 PM
:bong: Freedom isn't free. Naw, there's a hefty fuckin fee. And if you don't chip in your Buck oh five, who will? Freedom costs a Buck oh fiiiiiiiiiiiive.

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 12:34 PM
According to Ron Paul's Facebook page. Apparently there was an anomaly in his body scan. Rand requested a 2nd body scan, the TSA wanted a full body pat down, and Rand refused. Good for him.

So he knew the rules associated with commercial airline travel, chose to travel via a commercial airline, and he refused to comply with said rules? My hero.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 12:37 PM
So he knew the rules associated with commercial airline travel, chose to travel via a commercial airline, and he refused to comply with said rules? My hero.

What rule did he break? Is that rule even Constitutional if it violates the 4th Amendment? I say it isn't. Keep giving in to the fascists this country Saul.

Dallas Chief
01-23-2012, 12:38 PM
They are pretty low life stupid employees so they may not have known who he was.

You are incredible. Love America but hate Americans. Especially those that don't fit into you own personal box of fanaticism.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 12:41 PM
You are incredible. Love America but hate Americans. Especially those that don't fit into you own personal box of fanaticism.

LOL Have you even read about some of the incredibly stupid things some TSA workers have done to traveling Americans? Apparently not!
I just think many more govt workers are stupid and unqualified for better jobs—say like ones that actually contribute to America's success instead of harassing Americans. You are the one who hates Americans here, not me. You're the fanatic for hating the Constitution's 4th Amendment. You're on the side of oppression. That's what projection is all about though.

La literatura
01-23-2012, 12:45 PM
I hate America and the constitution, too! I like TSA employees.

Cave Johnson
01-23-2012, 12:45 PM
Oh the huge manatee.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 12:45 PM
Investment Advisor, Doug Casey profiles TSA workers:

You know, people often wonder where the Nazis found the bedbugs willing to join the Gestapo and the SS, and where the Soviets found the worms who worked for the KGB. Well, they were exactly the same sort who join the TSA. They are largely nothing/nobody people who were doing nothing with their lives – middle-aged people who were recruited out of their nothing/nowhere jobs, to go to work for a government agency, literally going through people's dirty laundry and asking them impertinent questions.

… [and] we mustn't forget the spiffy uniforms. That fetish is part of the psychological profile of these creatures. They love uniforms; they make them feel a part of something bigger than themselves, giving them a sense of self-importance and meaning to their meaningless lives. It's all part of this atmosphere of political correctness.

Donning a govt costume today shouldn't earn one a free pass.

La literatura
01-23-2012, 12:48 PM
Investment Advisor, Doug Casey profiles TSA workers:



Donning a govt costume today shouldn't earn one a free pass.

Hence the Senator's predicament.

La literatura
01-23-2012, 12:52 PM
Literature profiles egotistical, better-than-thou libertarians:

Too good for this country of misfits.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 12:54 PM
You can defend the STATE or defend the PEOPLE and their FREEDOM. I defend the PEOPLE and FREEDOM.
Those who defend the STATE hate the American people.

wazu
01-23-2012, 12:59 PM
Ugh. Why always with the drama?

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 01:00 PM
Not surprisingly, the NY Times took a nuanced approach to Sen. Rand Paul's detention by TSA officials in Nashville today. The paper was quick to claim that Sen. Paul was lying about being detained and that he only was "escorted" out of the area.

What is more telling, however, are the comments, with the vast majority of them being attacks on Sen. Paul, not only for his standing up against the TSA, but also for his pro-life views.


Bill Anderson (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/104295.html)

orange
01-23-2012, 01:01 PM
I defend the nothing/nobody bedbugs and FREEDOM.
Those who defend the STATE hate the American nothing/nobody bedbugs.

ROFL

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 01:01 PM
Republican presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul issued a sharply-worded statement in reaction to the detention of his son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, by Transportation Security Administration agents in Nashville on Monday.

“The police state in this country is growing out of control,” Paul wrote in a statement provided to The Daily Caller. “One of the ultimate embodiments of this is the TSA that gropes and grabs our kids and our seniors and does nothing to keep us safe.”

Paul has been a vocal critic of the TSA, and is the sponsor of the “American Traveler Dignity Act,” which would remove TSA agents’ immunity from prosecution for implementing invasive pat-down procedures.

In Paul’s Monday statement, he noted, “my ‘Restore America Plan,’ in additional to cutting $1 trillion dollars in one year, eliminates the TSA.”

“We must restore the freedom and respect for liberty that once made America the greatest nation in human history,” he continued. “I am deeply committed to doing so as president of the United States.”

Rand Paul was detained on Monday after refusing a pat-down by TSA agents while attempting to board a flight to Washington, D.C.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/23/ron-paul-on-sons-detention-by-tsa-police-state-is-growing-out-of-control/#ixzz1kJFmHqTh

La literatura
01-23-2012, 01:02 PM
You can defend the STATE or defend the PEOPLE and their FREEDOM. I defend the PEOPLE and FREEDOM.
Those who defend the STATE hate the American people.

Most people realize at a fairly young age that people with opposing views of politics are at least acting in good faith and have a rational basis, not hate and pure emotion.

Not sure why you haven't, but it will be needed when you want to join society.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 01:03 PM
TSA is going to be getting union status too. LOL at Republicans defending them. More for our taxes to pay for.

Bowser
01-23-2012, 01:17 PM
He needs to learn how to properly use the "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM???" card.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 01:21 PM
Obama sides with TSA against Rand and Ron Paul

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/tsa/205813-white-house-sides-with-tsa-in-rand-paul-standoff



Now this is great for both men. If this comes up at the debate tonight, the other 3 will pretend to be TSA skeptics, when they are all police-statists.~ Lew Rockwell

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 01:23 PM
He needs to learn how to properly use the "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM???" card.

Maybe that's what eventually got him off the hook? (However, the probably didn't know too.) Afterall, he finally did get re-scanned without incident which is what he wanted. He just wanted to be rescanned and not be groped, because it was a glitch on their end.

Taco John
01-23-2012, 01:28 PM
http://i.imgur.com/fpQxV.jpg

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 01:29 PM
What rule did he break? Is that rule even Constitutional if it violates the 4th Amendment? I say it isn't. Keep giving in to the fascists this country Saul.

It's neither Rand Paul's nor BEP's jurisdiction to determine what violates the 4th amendment. For two people who are so vehemently against the overreach of government, you sure don't seem to mind it when your favorite Senator decides that he is suddenly a judge.

What you are advocating is anarchy, plain and simple.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 01:31 PM
It's neither Rand Paul's nor BEP's jurisdiction to determine what violates the 4th amendment. For two people who are so vehemently against the overreach of government, you sure don't seem to mind it when your favorite Senator decides that he is suddenly a judge.

What you are advocating is anarchy, plain and simple.

It's WE the people not a couple of judges.

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 01:33 PM
http://i.imgur.com/fpQxV.jpg

It takes brass balls for a US Senator to stand up to a $12/hour TSA employee. My hero.

Taco John
01-23-2012, 01:35 PM
It takes brass balls for a US Senator to stand up to a $12/hour TSA employee. My hero.

He standing up to a system, not merely an employee.

But it's good to know that a wishy-washy establishment guy like yourself is annoyed by Rand taking a stand and calling attention to the TSA. It's fun for guys like me to watch guys like you stand with Obama. Stand proud boy!

InChiefsHell
01-23-2012, 01:35 PM
So, was he detained or not? Seems there are conflicting reports. The article containing his dad's statement says he was detained, but other say he was simply turned away.

Which is it?

InChiefsHell
01-23-2012, 01:35 PM
I wonder what he had up his ass?


This gold watch...

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/4556240_f520.jpg

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 01:38 PM
Bend over grandma the judge says it's ok.

"Tourism Suppression Agency"

InChiefsHell
01-23-2012, 01:52 PM
Bend over grandma the judge says it's ok.

"Tourism Suppression Agency"

That's a good one for the TSA. My mom who was 70 years old, would get pulled out of line for a search. Unfrickin' believable.

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 01:53 PM
He standing up to a system, not merely an employee.

But it's good to know that a wishy-washy establishment guy like yourself is annoyed by Rand taking a stand and calling attention to the TSA. It's fun for guys like me to watch guys like you stand with Obama. Stand proud boy!

Get over yourself. There is a way to challenge this that doesn't involve getting into a pissing match with a TSA worker. You might be the guy who thinks he's standing up for the American worker by going to Walmart and yelling at a cashier, but I just think you're an asshole. Misdirecting your anger at a perceived injustice doesn't take brass balls. It just takes a bad attitude and complete lack of self-awareness.

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 01:56 PM
It's WE the people not a couple of judges.

So we all get to determine for ourselves which laws we have to obey? My civics teacher was full of shit.

orange
01-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Let me get this straight, you Paul fans.

It's not just random searches you disagree with; you disagree with searches of people who set off an alarm.

Am I right?

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:02 PM
Let me get this straight, you Paul fans.

It's not just random searches you disagree with; you disagree with searches of people who set off an alarm.

Am I right?
Rand just didn't want the physical pat down. He offered to go back through the scanner initially but they refused to detained him. Eventually, he was just re-scanned.

Other than that, I think this post by Butler Shaffer explains the overall problem with the TSA:

...I am reminded of the story of a cab driver in New York who threw rose petals out his window while driving. His passenger inquired as to the reason for his doing so. "To keep lions away from us," he replied. "But how can that possibly work?," the passenger intoned. The cabbie responded: "you don't see any lions, do you?"

I would be very interested in knowing how many lions terrorists TSA has actually captured with their groping. I mean genuine terrorists, not grandmothers with knitting needles, breast-feeding mothers, six-month old infants in diapers, people with finger-nail clippers, etc.

Keep the sheeple in fear!

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:04 PM
Get over yourself. There is a way to challenge this that doesn't involve getting into a pissing match with a TSA worker. You might be the guy who thinks he's standing up for the American worker by going to Walmart and yelling at a cashier, but I just think you're an asshole. Misdirecting your anger at a perceived injustice doesn't take brass balls. It just takes a bad attitude and complete lack of self-awareness.

Maybe he had an issue with being felt up especially in his crotch. Believe it or not many red-blooded American men don't care for that.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:09 PM
It's neither Rand Paul's nor BEP's jurisdiction to determine what violates the 4th amendment.

:lame: In other words, lie down and take it.

It's every American's duty to know the Constitution and speak up when our govt violates it. How do you think Congress backed off on SOPA? The actually acknowledged that they "got it." Yay!


For two people who are so vehemently against the overreach of government, you sure don't seem to mind it when your favorite Senator decides that he is suddenly a judge.
You can't be serious? ROFL

Ever hear of civil disobedience? That has changed laws when our reps lack the will do it.
This is what nullification by states was for. This is what secession was about. It's about checks and balances. How else does a citizen bring a case through the courts without a challenge?

What you are advocating is anarchy, plain and simple.

:LOL:ROFL

If this is anarchy, then what was it before we had a TSA? Logic FAIL!

Keeping us safe, my arse! Shills for our growing fascist state.

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 02:10 PM
Maybe he had an issue with being felt up especially in his crotch. Believe it or not many red-blooded American men don't care for that.

He is free to drive if he doesn't want to follow the rules.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:11 PM
He is free to drive if he doesn't want to follow the rules.

He's still free, while it lasts, to challenge the same rules with civil disobedience if he wants too.

Taco John
01-23-2012, 02:12 PM
Get over yourself. There is a way to challenge this that doesn't involve getting into a pissing match with a TSA worker. You might be the guy who thinks he's standing up for the American worker by going to Walmart and yelling at a cashier, but I just think you're an asshole. Misdirecting your anger at a perceived injustice doesn't take brass balls. It just takes a bad attitude and complete lack of self-awareness.

lol, isn't that the speech that Obama just gave? You left out the part where the proper way to fight this is to fill out the correct form and file it with the correct bureaucrat.

Taco John
01-23-2012, 02:14 PM
Let me get this straight, you Paul fans.

It's not just random searches you disagree with; you disagree with searches of people who set off an alarm.

Am I right?

My problem is that they are federal searches without a search warrant.

orange
01-23-2012, 02:15 PM
I would be very interested in knowing how many lions terrorists TSA has actually captured with their groping. I mean genuine terrorists, not grandmothers with knitting needles, breast-feeding mothers, six-month old infants in diapers, people with finger-nail clippers, etc.


TSA found four guns per day last year at airports

1,238 firearms found in 2010, up 54 percent from 2007

updated 1/10/2012 8:02:11 PM ET

WASHINGTON — Airport security officers found about four firearms per day at checkpoints last year and many of them were loaded, the Transportation Security Administration said.


TSA personnel found 1,238 firearms at security checkpoints in 2010, up 54 percent from 2007, according to agency data.

Many of the weapons were found loaded with rounds in the chamber. Most passengers said they forgot they had a gun in their bag, according to a TSA blog on 2011 highlights.

In one week, agents found 14 loaded and five unloaded handguns in carry-on luggage, according to another TSA blog.

They also have discovered a speargun, a live teargas grenade, inert hand grenades and four knives in a single bag.

read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45949900/ns/travel-news/t/tsa-found-four-guns-day-last-year-airports/

orange
01-23-2012, 02:16 PM
They also found an untold number of water pipes. One less today, though.

Taco John
01-23-2012, 02:18 PM
He is free to drive if he doesn't want to follow the rules.

Hey look, it's Obama's argument against those who are against Obamacare. You can leave the country if you don't like Obamacare. Follow the rules or get out!

La literatura
01-23-2012, 02:18 PM
lol, isn't that the speech that Obama just gave? You left out the part where the proper way to fight this is to fill out the correct form and file it with the correct bureaucrat.

saul and barack, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:18 PM
TSA found four guns per day last year at airports

1,238 firearms found in 2010, up 54 percent from 2007

updated 1/10/2012 8:02:11 PM ET

WASHINGTON — Airport security officers found about four firearms per day at checkpoints last year and many of them were loaded, the Transportation Security Administration said.


TSA personnel found 1,238 firearms at security checkpoints in 2010, up 54 percent from 2007, according to agency data.

Many of the weapons were found loaded with rounds in the chamber. Most passengers said they forgot they had a gun in their bag, according to a TSA blog on 2011 highlights.

In one week, agents found 14 loaded and five unloaded handguns in carry-on luggage, according to another TSA blog.

They also have discovered a speargun, a live teargas grenade, inert hand grenades and four knives in a single bag.

read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45949900/ns/travel-news/t/tsa-found-four-guns-day-last-year-airports/

Guns are legal or are supposed to be. Guns can keep passengers safe. They could have shot the 9/11 hijackers who had no guns but box-cutters. LOL.

Keep throwing rose petals.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:20 PM
Roses for those who love the state.

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/206523/rose-petals-love-romance.jpg

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:23 PM
There's no proof orange, that the same amount of guns never got on a plane before but never went off. Per your link most forget they still had their gun on them or didn't know they were barred. There are not enough specifics in the article and it addresses travelers not terrorists. LOL at facing a determined foe—American travelers with guns. It's typical fed.gov obfuscation. How many terrorists have they caught?

orange
01-23-2012, 02:24 PM
Guns or Roses, orange?

No need to choose.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t57/disneyhog6/GNRLogoSmall.jpg

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:29 PM
Well you caught my drift anyhow.

BTW msnbc= spokesliars for the state

orange
01-23-2012, 02:30 PM
Coming back from London in 1976, I was going through customs in New York when I remembered I had a couple hashish joints in my shaving kit. Standing there with my shoulder length hair and jeans, I was thinking my life was over.

They took a quick look in my suitcase, then passed me through. Maybe it was the plaid shirt?

Saul Good
01-23-2012, 02:34 PM
He's still free, while it lasts, to challenge the same rules with civil disobedience if he wants too.

Actually, you aren't free to disobey laws and call it civil disobedience. In fact,it's just the opposite. If you were free to do it, it wouldn't be disobedience now would it?

vailpass
01-23-2012, 02:34 PM
Coming back from London in 1976, I was going through customs in New York when I remembered I had a couple hashish joints in my shaving kit. Standing there with my shoulder length hair and jeans, I was thinking my life was over.

They took a quick look in my suitcase, then passed me through. Maybe it was the plaid shirt?

That explains a lot.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:38 PM
Actually, you aren't free to disobey laws and call it civil disobedience. In fact,it's just the opposite. If you were free to do it, it wouldn't be disobedience now would it?

Well then what law did he actually break by requesting to be re-scanned instead over a pat down as if he broke some law? Is this just a TSA policy or regulation and not a real law?

The case here is that the state is violating the Supreme Law of the Land. That law cannot be disobeyed.

Other than that I disagree. Anyone can practice civil disobedience if the govt is violating a Constitutional right if you're willing to pay the consequences and then bring suit to fight for that right.

Apparently, you only believe in positive law and not natural law or fundamental rights since you're so willing to have those rights infringed by the state without a fight.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:43 PM
TSA confiscates dangerous cupcakes (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120116/22570917432/bakery-creates-tsa-safe-cupcakes-after-tsa-defends-its-confiscation-dangerous-cupcakes.shtml)

orange
01-23-2012, 02:44 PM
Well then what law did he actually break by requesting to be re-scanned instead over a pat down as if he broke some law? Is this just a TSA policy or regulation and not a real law?

You show something on the scanner, you take the patdown or you don't get on the plane. That's pretty simple - even a Senator could understand it.

A pompous ass who thinks he's something special, on the other hand ...

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:45 PM
You show something on the scanner, you take the patdown or you don't get on the plane. That's pretty simple - even a Senator could understand it.

A pompous ass who thinks he's something special, on the other hand ...

No it was a glitch and he knew it. He didn't want to be fondled. He's a red-blooded American man—not a gay hippy.

Iowanian
01-23-2012, 02:45 PM
I can only wonder what the tweets from ronpaul will say when he finds out the offending TSA officers were........black.

orange
01-23-2012, 02:47 PM
No it was a glitch and he knew it. He didn't want to be fondled. He's a red-blooded American man—not a gay hippy.

Does he ever bend over and cough, or is he too red-blooded for that?

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:47 PM
Paul would probably say the same thing Santorum would say about blacks. Afterall Santorum says blacks shouldn't even get a govt check.

Paul stood up for Rosa Parks in congress and MLK is one of his heroes. But let's rely on innuendo when Reality Check on the Fox site found the name of the real author of 1% of the entire newsletters. As Reality Check said, citing racism is the lowest order of political discourse too. The democrat aka NeoCon comes out of Iowanian.

orange
01-23-2012, 02:49 PM
When you have your breasts felt for lumps, do you have orgasms?

Stirrups - woo HOOO!!~!

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 02:50 PM
When you have your breasts felt for lumps, do you have orgasms?

Stirrups - woo HOOO!!~!

That's between a private doctor done voluntarily—NO govt force is used. Then again, you put things into the wrong category set for another strawman. Logic fail.

VAChief
01-23-2012, 02:52 PM
I thought all hairpiece/weave clips were all synthetic now?

orange
01-23-2012, 02:53 PM
BEP's favorite sexual position:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eP4kk6O4120/Td0817p0r2I/AAAAAAAAAK0/Zhm4tIEx3ec/s1600/stirrups1.jpg

Iowanian
01-23-2012, 03:00 PM
Paul would probably say the same thing Santorum would say about blacks. Afterall Santorum says blacks shouldn't even get a govt check.

Paul stood up for Rosa Parks in congress and MLK is one of his heroes. But let's rely on innuendo when Reality Check on the Fox site found the name of the real author of 1% of the entire newsletters. As Reality Check said, citing racism is the lowest order of political discourse too. The democrat aka NeoCon comes out of Iowanian.

No.

I think this is nothing more than a publicity stunt by ronpaul to stir up his hoople head fanbois because he's getting his ass kicked.

MLK may be one of his political heros, but those writings would indicate that David Duke is one of his poker buddies.

orange
01-23-2012, 03:04 PM
Paul stood up for Rosa Parks in congress

Is that when he was the only member of Congress who voted against issuing her a Congressional Gold Medal?

... MLK is one of his heroes.

Ron Paul's hero at the signing of a law Paul claims shreds the Constitution:

http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Civil-Rights-Act.jpg

HonestChieffan
01-23-2012, 03:12 PM
So is Rand free yet?

orange
01-23-2012, 03:19 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372982_332546283444693_1773739811_n.jpg

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 03:22 PM
Is that when he was the only member of Congress who voted against issuing her a Congressional Gold Medal?
Nope. He felt it was not proper spending. Instead he offered to pay for the medal through donations made by those in Congress who wanted that, with him paying I think it was $100 for his share. The rest of them wanted to use OTHER PEOPLE's money. Since, you're the one accusing others of not getting their facts correct I suggest you practice what you preach and not leave information out.

Ron Paul's hero at the signing of a law Paul claims shreds the Constitution:


Two different categories of things—AGAIN. How the Constitution was applied regarding interstate commerce was not valid under strict and original construction. Just because a restaurant in Georgia buys hot-dogs in Chicago does not allow the govt to regulate that restaurant on who they serve locally inside that state on some local country road. You wouldn't understand that is a legal argument on the Constitution though. I wouldn't expect a statist to understand such nuances.
Paul admired how MLK relied on using the non-aggression doctrine which is the cores of libertarianism. Logic fail.

You're cutting your own arguments up here.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 03:26 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372982_332546283444693_1773739811_n.jpg

He's free. So you can put it away.

Johnny Vegas
01-23-2012, 03:27 PM
He is free to drive if he doesn't want to follow the rules.

I hear North Korea has open houses this week you should keep in mind if you want to move. If you use gutless as a code you can get 10% off the commission fee. Stay in that line.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 03:27 PM
BEP's favorite sexual position:


Nope. Sounds like it's yours.

orange
01-23-2012, 03:44 PM
Nope. He felt it was not proper spending.

He felt this one was proper spending:

H.R.5872 - Boy Scouts of America Centennial Commemorative Coin Act

To require the Secretary of the Treasury to mint coins in commemoration of the centennial of the Boy Scouts of America, and for other purposes.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h5872/actions_votes

So much that he was a co-sponsor. But Rosa ... get to the back of the bus.

orange
01-23-2012, 03:46 PM
Paul admired how MLK relied on using the non-aggression doctrine which is the cores of libertarianism...

... to "undermine the concept of liberty" and "destroy the principle of private property and private choices." LMAO

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/01/ron-paul-civil-rights-act_n_1178688.html

.

But I hear some of Ron Paul's best friends are black.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 03:49 PM
... to shred the Constitution! LMAO

But I hear some of Ron Paul's best friends are black.

:LOL:More logical fallacies from orange. Strawmen specifically. You musta been a HUGE Wizard of Oz fan growing up with a crush on the Scarecrow.

orange
01-23-2012, 03:54 PM
Letter From a Nashville Cubicle
by Sen. Rand Paul
$9.99

"I was barked at ..."

Read the full harrowing details of his major ordeal.

available soon from Regnery Press.

Taco John
01-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Wow, this thread is still moving hot-and-heavy! lol!

Amazing...

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 03:59 PM
Everyone's been called a racist in this election at some point:


But there is a bigger issue than just Ron Paul here.

What you may not know is that in this presidential election cycle, every single candidate for president, including President Obama, has been called a racist.

Herman Cain was called a racist because he said blacks had been brainwashed into voting for the democratic party.

Mitt Romney was called a racist by Bill Maher because he is a Mormon, and called racist by MSNBC for continually calling the President by his first and last names instead saying President Obama.

Newt Gingrich was called a racist just a few months ago for calling Palestinians an invented people.

Michelle Bachmann was called a racist a few months ago after saying African American children and black families were better off during slavery presumably because they had both parents living with them. She says she was clearly taken out of context.

Rick Perry was called a racist for a name spray painted on a rock at a hunting camp rented by his family.

Also saying he was taken out of context, one of the latest claims against Rick Santorum, is saying he is a racist for a supposed statement he made that blacks shouldn't receive welfare. He says he didn't say that.

President Obama himself has been called a racist by many people, including Glenn Beck, who triggered a fire-storm after saying he believes President Obama doesn't like white people.

President Obama also called a racist for attending the Reverend Wright's church for 20 years.

Here's what you need to know.

The talk of racism has become the lowest form of political discourse.


The race card is an Alinsky tactic.

http://www.fox19.com/story/16458700/reality-check-the-name-of-a-mystery-writer-of-one-of-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:01 PM
Wow, this thread is still moving hot-and-heavy! lol!

Amazing...

orange is keeping alive with snark—it's all he's got.

I continue to respond to his Alinsky tactics.

orange
01-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Everyone's been called a racist in this election at some point

Quick: how many of them have a half-dozen years worth of newsletters published in their names beating the racist drum?

orange
01-23-2012, 04:06 PM
The race card is an Alinsky tactic.

You know you're in trouble when you start channelling sportsshrink.

In a minute, you'll be claiming Malcolm X is Obama's father.

orange
01-23-2012, 04:16 PM
p.s. Keep throwing out half-witted "defenses" for the Pauls and I'll keep shooting them down. Pissant or not.

patteeu
01-23-2012, 04:16 PM
I wonder if ChiefsPlanet's ronpauls would face as much ridicule around here if BEP wasn't the face of their local movement.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:19 PM
Is your team going to the Superbowl?


Those defenses of the Paul's are half witted to you and all leftist Alinskyites who like to charge racism to their opponents.
The newsletters in question represent a specific time period and 1% of the volume. 144 editions have no racist content.
Keep truckin' on with the lowest form of political discourse orange...and hijacking the thread off of Rand deflecting onto his dad.
We know you can only rely on logical fallacies and deflect issues.

Timeline and actual amount of content:
http://www.fox19.com/story/16449477/reality-check-the-story-behind-the-ron-paul-newsletters

Name of mystery writer for those articles here:
http://www.fox19.com/story/16458700/reality-check-the-name-of-a-mystery-writer-of-one-of-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters

Dallas Chief
01-23-2012, 04:29 PM
LOL Have you even read about some of the incredibly stupid things some TSA workers have done to traveling Americans? Apparently not!
I just think many more govt workers are stupid and unqualified for better jobs—say like ones that actually contribute to America's success instead of harassing Americans. You are the one who hates Americans here, not me. You're the fanatic for hating the Constitution's 4th Amendment. You're on the side of oppression. That's what projection is all about though.

No buceyed mushmouth. I actually fly frequently for work and actually have some experience with it... instead of relying on the ramblings of some tinfoilhat-tard. Do people screw up? yes. Just like in any other job sometimes you get a bad apple sometimes, so what? My experiences tell me that these people are just hard working Americans like most of the rest of us TRYING to do a good job. Not the mouthbreathering mongoloids you keep trying to paint them to be. You obviously don't get out of the bunker much.:rolleyes:

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:34 PM
RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."

RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up."

But orange violates Alinsky's other rule:

RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't let it become old news.


http://theobamafile.com/_images/AlinskyDevilDedication.jpg

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:35 PM
No buceyed mushmouth. I actually fly frequently for work and actually have some experience with it... instead of relying on the ramblings of some tinfoilhat-tard. Do people screw up? yes. Just like in any other job sometimes you get a bad apple sometimes, so what? My experiences tell me that these people are just hard working Americans like most of the rest of us TRYING to do a good job. Not the mouthbreathering mongoloids you keep trying to paint them to be. You obviously don't get out of the bunker much.:rolleyes:

Sorry, that we disagree. Anyone who'd take a job harassing Americans rates poorly in my book, period.
I don't support the garrison state.

Oh! Traveling for a job gets old what a drag. I can work from home and post while on the phone.

Guess you like logical fallacies instead though.

SNR
01-23-2012, 04:37 PM
I wonder if ChiefsPlanet's ronpauls would face as much ridicule around here if BEP wasn't the face of their local movement.I thought this was a non-story myself. Rand was probably trolling just a tad, but it's clear that he put his foot down when it came to a body pat. I read about it this morning, and chose not to post about it simply because it's not important.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:39 PM
I didn't put the thread up. I just defended Rand's rights. Then some trolls entered. Some others I responded to their challenges. It's a place to debate or discuss is it not?

SNR
01-23-2012, 04:46 PM
There are going to be trolls on any topic, especially one as widely talked about as Ron Paul and Rand Paul. There's so much talk about these two guys on this and other political forums, that if I weren't a huge fan of either of them I'd get pretty pissy in every single thread, too.

That being said, the argument's being turned into "The Pauls hate black people". It's time for everybody to walk away now.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 04:46 PM
I didn't put the thread up. I just defended Rand's rights. Then some trolls entered. Some others I responded to their challenges. It's a place to debate or discuss is it not?

Only if the brainwashed masses agree, the hivemind has blinded their sensors.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:47 PM
There are going to be trolls on any topic, especially one as widely talked about as Ron Paul and Rand Paul. There's so much talk about these two guys on this and other political forums, that if I weren't a huge fan of either of them I'd get pretty pissy in every single thread, too.

That being said, the argument's being turned into "The Pauls hate black people". It's time for everybody to walk away now.

True

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 04:54 PM
True

Why do the Paulites hate Black peeps? /neocon brown people bombers

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 04:55 PM
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donkhater
01-23-2012, 04:56 PM
I only have one thing to add....

What if it had been Maxine Waters instead of Rand Paul that had been detained?

Discuss

Mr. Flopnuts
01-23-2012, 05:08 PM
Dad went off and I agree with him on all of it. I don't feel safer, just more invaded.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 05:13 PM
Dad went off and I agree with him on all of it. I don't feel safer, just more invaded.

Soon we'll feel like princess peach in your avatar.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 05:16 PM
Soon we'll feel like princess peach in your avatar.

LOL! :LOL:

WhiteWhale
01-23-2012, 05:16 PM
I love how people here are actually vilifying civil disobedience.

It's like they haven't even read a history book.

orange
01-23-2012, 05:17 PM
I only have one thing to add....

What if it had been Maxine Waters instead of Rand Paul that had been detained?

Discuss

I have one thing to add, too ...

Out of 535 congressmen flying all the time, why is it only constant TSA critic Rand Paul who sets off the alarm?

Discuss.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 05:18 PM
I have one thing to add, too ...

Out of 535 congressmen flying all the time, why is it only constant TSA critic Rand Paul who sets off the alarm?

Discuss.

534 have special powers?

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 05:21 PM
I have one thing to add, too ...

Out of 535 congressmen flying all the time, why is it only constant TSA critic Rand Paul who sets off the alarm?

Discuss.

Because as Rand says in the video—these are designed to go off randomly.
Besides, we don't know what other congressmen it happened to either....and if it did they may not have made the slight fuss, if you can call it that, which Rand made when he offered for them to look at his knee instead of being pat down. Or maybe they were known and just waived through. It's kinda hard to prove it was only Rand it ever happened to.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 05:23 PM
Because as Rand says in the video—these are designed to go off randomly.
Besides, we don't know what other congressmen it happened to either....and if it did they may not have made the slight fuss, if you can call it that, which Rand made when he offered for them to look at his knee instead of being pat down. Or maybe they were known and just waived through. It's kinda hard to prove it was only Rand it ever happened to.

Nevermind Orange, she wears the tinfoil hat.

orange
01-23-2012, 05:25 PM
Besides, we don't know what other congressmen it happened to either....and if it did they may not have made the slight fuss,

So you're saying it might have even happened to Maxine Waters? Or some other woman or minority?

donkhater - you there?

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 05:26 PM
So you're saying it might have even happened to Maxine Waters?

No I am saying we lack data.

donkhater
01-23-2012, 07:20 PM
So you're saying it might have even happened to Maxine Waters? Or some other woman or minority?

donkhater - you there?

No, I'm just skeptical that the White House would have had the same position had that been the case.

ILChief
01-23-2012, 08:01 PM
So he wants the TSA disbanded. What is his solution? We can't just let any nutjob take whatever they want on a plane.

alnorth
01-23-2012, 08:33 PM
So he wants the TSA disbanded. What is his solution? We can't just let any nutjob take whatever they want on a plane.

Airports would hire their own security. Some airports have actually opted out and have their own security, though they are required to follow TSA guidelines.

What we have now is stupid useless security theater, designed to make us feel safe without actually providing safety.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 08:35 PM
So he wants the TSA disbanded. What is his solution? We can't just let any nutjob take whatever they want on a plane.

Perhaps if you actually read the thread, or at least the video of Rand you might find out what his solution is. :rolleyes:

ILChief
01-23-2012, 08:57 PM
Perhaps if you actually read the thread, or at least the video of Rand you might find out what his solution is. :rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm not reading 26 pages of Rand Paul

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:11 PM
Sorry, I'm not reading 26 pages of Rand Paul

You don't have to. I said "at least" look at the video. It's about 3 minutes of research.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:15 PM
Meanwhile TSA were holding up Rand, two of them were stealing from travelers.

MIAMI – A Transportation Security Administration (TSA) worker at Miami International Airport was charged with grand theft after allegedly stealing from passengers' bags and hiding the items in a special constructed pocket added to his uniform jacket.

Pujol Salazar admitted that she and her husband have been stealing goods and on-selling them for three years, the Herald reported.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/21/miami-tsa-officer-and-his-wife-charged-with-stealing-from-passengers-luggage/#ixzz1kLUlNItA

KILLER_CLOWN
01-23-2012, 10:22 PM
Meanwhile TSA were holding up Rand, two of them were stealing from travelers.

MIAMI – A Transportation Security Administration (TSA) worker at Miami International Airport was charged with grand theft after allegedly stealing from passengers' bags and hiding the items in a special constructed pocket added to his uniform jacket.

Pujol Salazar admitted that she and her husband have been stealing goods and on-selling them for three years, the Herald reported.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/21/miami-tsa-officer-and-his-wife-charged-with-stealing-from-passengers-luggage/#ixzz1kLUlNItA

Like i said put them on the border and let them frisk/steal from the gang members. That would at least take one criminal out of the equation.

BucEyedPea
01-23-2012, 10:38 PM
Like i said put them on the border and let them frisk/steal from the gang members. That would at least take one criminal out of the equation.

They probably were gang members before working for the TSA. LMAO

BucEyedPea
01-24-2012, 08:50 AM
...the Constitution of the United States. It was this part the TSA violated:


The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Constitution of the United States
Article 1, Section 6

It's clear that being detained would fall under this.

jspchief
01-24-2012, 12:21 PM
...the Constitution of the United States. It was this part the TSA violated:




It's clear that being detained would fall under this.

I'm not sure its as clear as you say. From what I can tell, its not even clear whether he was detained or turned away.


But the idea that he was breaking a law as stated by a previous poster seems sketchy too. I would think its well within your legal rights to not submit to the TSA's security measures. But part of that choice includes not getting on that plane. Maybe there's a reasonable suspicion aspect that allows them to detain you? Not sure.

patteeu
01-24-2012, 12:34 PM
I'm not sure its as clear as you say. From what I can tell, its not even clear whether he was detained or turned away.


But the idea that he was breaking a law as stated by a previous poster seems sketchy too. I would think its well within your legal rights to not submit to the TSA's security measures. But part of that choice includes not getting on that plane. Maybe there's a reasonable suspicion aspect that allows them to detain you? Not sure.

There has to be. If their scan shows that a guy has a dozen grenades strapped to his body, they aren't just going to let him turn around and leave the airport.

BucEyedPea
01-24-2012, 12:35 PM
Everything I've read says he was detained by govt authorities which is of shorter duration than an actual arrest as I understand the terms.

Eventually, he was no longer detained. So I think the idea behind those lines were somewhat violated temporarily....and could have gone further. Luckily it didn't.

Dave Lane
01-24-2012, 12:56 PM
They are pretty low life stupid employees so they may not have known who he was.

I'd have turned him away as a mouthbreathing lowlife too. Maybe it take one to know one LMAO

BucEyedPea
01-24-2012, 01:31 PM
Even Other Bureaucrats Damn the TSA's Rude Goons


Gruff and unpleasant security officers are not exactly helping business at the Buffalo Niagara and Niagara Falls airports, according to a top man at the NFTA.

In fact, Transportation Security Administration personnel charged with screening airport passengers and carry-on baggage might benefit from "sensitivity training," suggested Henry M. Sloma, acting chairman of the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority.

"I've met a few of them personally," Sloma said. "They're not particularly nice, and for no good reason."....


“Paul Rath” who nails the problem in his reader’s comment: “When someone is empowered by the Government to look at you naked and feel you up at will - its [sic] clear who is in control in that relationship. Why do people think they will get any ‘respect?’”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/104378.html

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article715221.ece

BucEyedPea
01-24-2012, 01:33 PM
I'd have turned him away as a mouthbreathing lowlife too. Maybe it take one to know one LMAO

Yeah, because people who have the force of govt behind them to feel up your private parts is the same thing as someone complaining about the unreasonable aspects of their searches. There's been widespread complaint about some of these workers. That is a fact. You're just copying my line to be a tard.

jspchief
01-24-2012, 03:54 PM
There has to be. If their scan shows that a guy has a dozen grenades strapped to his body, they aren't just going to let him turn around and leave the airport.

Yeah very true. I suppose once you agree to enough that they find suspicion, its too late to choose to not fly. Makes sense that they wouldn't want to let someone walk after tripping a "flag".

I can also see not allowing people to enter into debate about the next step after tripping a flag. It just creates an atmosphere where people think they can argue about it.

vailpass
01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
BEP's favorite sexual position:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eP4kk6O4120/Td0817p0r2I/AAAAAAAAAK0/Zhm4tIEx3ec/s1600/stirrups1.jpg

On her back with her legs open? So what? The weirdness comes in the fact that it is also your favorite sexual position.

listopencil
01-24-2012, 08:09 PM
BEP's favorite sexual position:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eP4kk6O4120/Td0817p0r2I/AAAAAAAAAK0/Zhm4tIEx3ec/s1600/stirrups1.jpg




That's hot.

BucEyedPea
01-26-2012, 02:50 PM
If we lied to them we'd be jailed though. None of them will be disciplined though. That's life working for the gub'ment.

Nashville airport releases security footage of Sen. Rand Paul: U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, in the lower left corner of the video, showed no visible signs of being “irate” as Nashville International Airport police asserted in an incident report, according to newly released video of a run-in with airport security.


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orange
01-26-2012, 03:12 PM
That's one minute out of two-three hours. I'm not sure what it's supposed to show.

Some things it doesn't show - no handcuffs, no one touches him, no one stops him from going anywhere, and he's freely on his phone.

No rubber-hose beatings, either.

BucEyedPea
01-26-2012, 03:14 PM
Well, testimony is also evidence and he claims he didn't get that way. But knowing you, you'd trust and believe the govt more. Cops, lemme tell, do lie. Just ask Martha Stewart.

mikey23545
01-26-2012, 04:19 PM
BEP's favorite sexual position:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eP4kk6O4120/Td0817p0r2I/AAAAAAAAAK0/Zhm4tIEx3ec/s1600/stirrups1.jpg

Well I see her girlfriend's legs, but where is she?

BucEyedPea
01-26-2012, 04:34 PM
Well I see her girlfriend's legs, but where is she?

Certainly not wrapped around your flaccid old weenie Mr. I Need Viagra.

mikey23545
01-26-2012, 08:49 PM
Certainly not wrapped around your flaccid old weenie Mr. I Need Viagra.

Believe me, the thought of you with your legs spread is enough to make any man flaccid...LMAO

BucEyedPea
01-26-2012, 08:50 PM
Believe me, the thought of you with your legs spread is enough to make any man flaccid...LMAO

Your's is flaccid no matter who you're with. Go take your heart medication.

La literatura
01-26-2012, 08:59 PM
Well, testimony is also evidence and he claims he didn't get that way. But knowing you, you'd trust and believe the govt more. Cops, lemme tell, do lie. Just ask Martha Stewart.

He's a United States Senator! For Godssakes. And senators lie, too.

mikey23545
01-26-2012, 10:20 PM
Your's is flaccid no matter who you're with. Go take your heart medication.

I would, but after my stroke I have trouble remembering where my meds are.

mikey23545
01-26-2012, 10:21 PM
He's a United States Senator! For Godssakes. And senators lie, too.

Lying has been bred out of the Paul family.