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jd1020
01-23-2012, 10:14 PM
http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39725/60/draft-2012-mayocks-top-fives

Okie_Apparition
01-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Post the article or DIAATF
n00bs these days :facepalm:

jd1020
01-23-2012, 10:28 PM
Post the article or DIAATF
n00bs these days :facepalm:

"Mayock's ranks have not yet made their way onto NFL.com, so after reading this writeup, consider yourself early to the party. We don't like to be late."

BossChief
01-23-2012, 10:29 PM
As Senior Bowl all-star practices kicked off Monday in Mobile, NFL Network’s Mike Mayock released his top-five player rankings at each position. Mayock's ranks have not yet made their way onto NFL.com, so after reading this writeup, consider yourself early to the party. We don't like to be late.

(* = underclassman.)

Quarterbacks
1. Andrew Luck*, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III*, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4-5. Open to competition.

Notes: Mayock left open slots four and five and says he's waiting for the next tier to create separation. Per Mayock, the "next" group is comprised of Brandon Weeden (Oklahoma State), Brock Osweiler* (Arizona State), Nick Foles (Arizona), Kirk Cousins (Michigan State), and Ryan Lindley (San Diego State). In terms of potential to be top-five draft-eligible passers, undersized Kellen Moore (Boise State) and Russell Wilson (Wisconsin) did not warrant mentions from Mayock, although he did praise Moore's football intelligence and compared Wilson to Doug Flutie.

Running Backs
1. Trent Richardson*, Alabama
2. David Wilson*, Virginia Tech
3. Lamar Miller*, Miami
4. Doug Martin, Boise State
5. LaMichael James*, Oregon

Notes: Mayock's most notable top-five running back snub is Chris Polk (Washington), whom we've independently heard ranks second to Richardson on multiple teams' pre-Senior Bowl draft boards. Mayock's rankings tend to change throughout "draft season," so perhaps he'll move Polk into the top tier after grinding more tape. Richardson won't be challenged for the top spot in this year's tailback class. Wilson and Miller are speed merchants in the Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson/LeSean McCoy mold. There are mixed opinions about James, who has a reputation for shying from contact. Cincinnati's Isaiah Pead could pass James before this week is through.

Wide Receivers
1. Justin Blackmon*, Oklahoma State
2. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
3. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Alshon Jeffery*, South Carolina
5. Chris Givens*, Wake Forest

Notes: Givens' inclusion was interesting because he has received little fanfare since declaring for the draft on December 31. Givens beat out more high-profile receivers like Dwight Jones (North Carolina) and T.J. Graham (NC State) for first-team All-ACC honors as a junior and is expected to run in the 4.38-4.44 range at February's Scouting Combine. It's worth noting that Givens tallied 96 total yards in Wake Forest's 2011 matchup with Notre Dame. Mayock was in attendance as the Fighting Irish color commentator. Amid concerns about Jeffery's fitness and ability to beat press coverage, Blackmon, Wright, and Floyd seem to have emerged as the draft's consensus top-three receivers. Unfortunately, none of the above is attending the Senior Bowl.

Tight Ends
1. Dwayne Allen*, Clemson
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Orson Charles*, Georgia
4. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
5. Michael Egnew, Missouri

Notes: Fleener, who has drawn generous comparisons to Rob Gronkowski, declined a Senior Bowl invite for undisclosed reasons. Fleener remains this year's clear-cut top "in-line" tight end with the ability to impact games both as a blocker and receiver. Allen and Charles are "joker" tight ends, as Josh Norris likes to call them, posing matchup problems for defenses by lining up in the slot and stretching the field vertically. Green, who is in Mobile, has added ten pounds in the last year and should run in the 4.6s at the Combine. He is a lanky tight end at 6-foot-6, 237. Another terrific athlete, Egnew ran a 4.6-flat last spring and goes 6-foot-5, 251. Coming from Mizzou's Mike Leach-like spread offense, Egnew has Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman working against him as former Tigers tight ends who could catch but block too poorly for an NFL impact.

Offensive Tackles
1. Riley Reiff*, Iowa
2. Matt Kalil*, USC
3. Jonathan Martin*, Stanford
4. James Brown, Troy
5. Zebrie Sanders, Florida State

Notes: Mayock's ranking of Reiff as this year's top tackle goes against conventional wisdom, as Kalil is widely considered the best pass protector eligible for the 2012 draft. We'll be looking for an explanation in the coming months. Martin protected Andrew Luck's blind side for the Cardinal. Brown is a sleeper from the Sun Belt Conference. Mayock did not include Ohio State's Mike Adams, who by all accounts dominated on the first day of Senior Bowl practice.

Interior Offensive Linemen
1. David DeCastro*, Stanford
2. Peter Konz*, Wisconsin
3. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
4. Cordy Glenn, Georgia
5. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State

Notes: Glenn and Osemele are college tackles slated to move inside as pros. DeCastro is often compared to Steve Hutchinson as an NFL-ready guard coming from Stanford's pro-style offense. He is the lone guard tentatively expected to be drafted in the first round this April.

Okie_Apparition
01-23-2012, 10:31 PM
:wayne:

BossChief
01-23-2012, 10:35 PM
Here is the secOnd half... I can't believe he has Rieff over Kalil.



Defensive Ends
1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
3. Whitney Mercilus*, Illinois
4. Nick Perry*, USC
5. (tie) Chandler Jones*, Syracuse
Andre Branch, Clemson

Notes: Coples measured in at an impressive 6-foot-6 and 281 pounds during Monday's Senior Bowl weigh-in and was the nation's highest rated senior entering the last college season. His production dipped a bit in 2011, however, and NFL scouts were concerned that Coples played "not to get hurt." Ingram is a freak athlete with rare versatility, capable of playing defensive end, tackle, and perhaps even outside linebacker in a 3-4. Draftniks are divided on Mercilus, who led the NCAA in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9) before declaring for the draft on January 3.

Defensive Tackles
1. Devon Still, Penn State
2. Jerel Worthy*, Michigan State
3. Michael Brockers*, LSU
4. Brandon Thompson, Clemson
5. (tie) Fletcher Cox*, Mississippi State
Dontari Poe*, Memphis

Notes: Out for the Senior Bowl with a sprained big toe, Still is considered far and away the top 4-3 tackle eligible for the 2012 draft. At the Combine, Still is expected to measure in at around 6-foot-5, 307. "Scheme versatile," he should appeal to 3-4 teams as well at that size. Brockers, a redshirt sophomore, is a less experienced version of Still. Worthy is more of a 4-3 tackle only at a listed 6-foot-3 and 310 pounds. Poe (6'4/350, listed) may be the top true nose tackle in 2012.

Linebackers
1. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
2. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College
3. Dont'a Hightower*, Alabama
4. Zach Brown, North Carolina
5. Vontaze Burfict*, Arizona State

Notes: Mayock uses the term "linebacker" loosely with Upshaw, who played outside 'backer in Nick Saban's 3-4 defense. Upshaw is a power player and may land on the line as a 4-3 end in the pros. Kuechly is this year's top true middle linebacker prospect. Hightower will likely play inside in a 3-4. Brown is a weak-side prospect for 4-3 teams. Burfict has a big name after earning first-team All-American honors as a sophomore. His performance dropped off significantly as a junior, however, and Burfict did not even earn 2011 all-conference honors in the Pac 12.

Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama

Notes: Mayock presumably ranked Jenkins based on his 2010 tape at Florida, because buzz among small-school insiders is that he was not dominant in one year at North Alabama. Mayock has compared Johnson to Kansas City's Brandon Flowers for his highly competitive play. Claiborne won the 2011 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back and is a consensus top-five player. Kirkpatrick is ranked relatively low here, perhaps due to his recent marijuana arrest.

Safeties
1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. George Iloka, Boise State
4. Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
5. (tie) Janzen Jackson*, McNeese State
Antonio Allen, South Carolina

Notes: Barron was among the top-rated prospects to decline Senior Bowl invites, but Smith, Iloka, Martin, and Allen are all in Mobile. Per Mayock, some NFL teams have first-round grades on Smith, whom he describes as physical with underrated range. Be wary of most draftniks' "scouting reports" on safeties, because without All-22 film defensive backs that play deep in the secondary are impossible to properly evaluate. Mayock does have the All-22 access.

jd1020
01-23-2012, 10:36 PM
On NFL.com he has a top 10 QB gallery

1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Tannehill
4) Weeden
5) Foles
6) Osweiler
7) Cousins
8) Lindley
9) Wilson
10) Moore

Okie_Apparition
01-23-2012, 10:39 PM
Very nicely done by y'all
I go eat some fiber now

Pestilence
01-24-2012, 09:25 AM
Wow.....Harrison Smith as the #2 safety?

milkman
02-01-2012, 10:22 AM
Mike Mayock gives you more film breakdown on college prospects than you can find anywhere else.

But you have to take anything he says, along with Charles Davis, with a grain of salt, cause they are pretty much idiots.

Chiefnj2
02-01-2012, 10:37 AM
All of these guys post a few head scratchers to get people talking. Especially from now until their final board a day before the draft. It's all about ratings/hits.

whoman69
02-01-2012, 12:49 PM
Mike Mayock gives you more film breakdown on college prospects than you can find anywhere else.

But you have to take anything he says, along with Charles Davis, with a grain of salt, cause they are pretty much idiots.

I trust them more than Kiper. At least they have done more than being a consultant. Mayock is much better than Davis.

NJChiefsFan
02-04-2012, 10:25 PM
Mike Mayock gives you more film breakdown on college prospects than you can find anywhere else.

But you have to take anything he says, along with Charles Davis, with a grain of salt, cause they are pretty much idiots.

I think Mayock is alright. Davis is not very smart. You can tell even when he is talking up KC(when that happens) because even when he is talking about the right player he doesn't say the right things. I think Mayock sees and explains the game a lot better than most guys on TV, not that its a great endorsement.

jd1020
02-16-2012, 12:20 AM
Updated:

Quarterback

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Nick Foles, Arizona

New entries: Weeden, Foles

Running Back

1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
3. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
4. Doug Martin, Boise State
5. LaMichael James, Oregon

Wide Receiver

1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
4. Rueben Randle, LSU
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina

Rise: Wright
Fall: Floyd, Jeffery
New entry: Randle
Out: Wake Forest's Chris Givens

Tight End

1. Orson Charles, Georgia
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette

Rise: Charles
Fall: Allen, Green
New entry: Peterson
Out: Missouri's Michael Egnew

Tackle

1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia

Rise: Kalil
Fall: Reiff
New entry: Glenn (switched groups from interior offensive lineman to tackle)
Out: Troy's James Brown, Florida State's Zebrie Sanders

Interior Offensive Lineman

1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
3. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
4. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
5. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State

Fall: Osemele
New entry: Silatolu
Out: Glenn (switched groups from interior offensive lineman to tackle)

Defensive End

1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
3. Andre Branch, Clemson
4. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
T-5. Vinny Curry, Marshall
T-5. Nick Perry, USC

Rise: Ingram, Branch
Fall: Coples, Mercilus, Perry
New entry: Curry
Out: Syracuse's Chandler Jones

Defensive Tackle

1. Michael Brockers, LSU
2. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
3. Dontari Poe, Memphis
4. Devon Still, Penn State
T-5. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi St.
T-5. Kendall Reyes, UConn
T-5. Brandon Thompson, Clemson

Rise: Brockers, Poe
Fall: Still, Thompson
New entry: Reyes

Linebacker

1. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
2. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
3. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
5. Sean Spence, Miami (Fla.)

New entries: Lewis, Spence
Out: North Carolina's Zach Brown, Arizona State's Vontaze Burfict

Cornerback

1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
4. Trumaine Johnson, Montana
5. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State

Rise: Kirkpatrick
Fall: Jenkins, Leonard Johnson
New entry: Trumaine Johnson
Out: Nebraska's Alfonzo Dennard

Safety

1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. George Iloka, Boise State
4. Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse

New entry: Phillip Thomas
Out: South Carolina's Antonio Allen

ChiefsCountry
02-16-2012, 01:03 AM
Glenn is this years Branden Albert.
Posted via Mobile Device

Saccopoo
02-16-2012, 10:25 PM
Glenn is this years Branden Albert.
Posted via Mobile Device

No he's not.

Cordy Glenn is really good and hasn't played next to top flight level guys (D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Eugene Monroe). He's played all five positions on the line and was put on the "All Decade Team" for Georgia this past season.

Glenn is huge and athletic and has nice foot work, something that Albert still doesn't have and at this point, will never have.

Glenn is a really nice player and will have a fit at four positions on the offensive line, maybe five if he can adjust to NFL speed rushers.

I'd consider him a better prospect than Albert at the same stage of their careers.

ChiefsCountry
02-16-2012, 11:51 PM
No he's not.

Cordy Glenn is really good and hasn't played next to top flight level guys (D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Eugene Monroe). He's played all five positions on the line and was put on the "All Decade Team" for Georgia this past season.

Glenn is huge and athletic and has nice foot work, something that Albert still doesn't have and at this point, will never have.

Glenn is a really nice player and will have a fit at four positions on the offensive line, maybe five if he can adjust to NFL speed rushers.

I'd consider him a better prospect than Albert at the same stage of their careers.

You are so full of shit. ROFL

Nightfyre
02-17-2012, 12:22 AM
So, Per Saccopoo:

Cordy Glenn: Best O-line prospect in the history of the world when he's not brokering peace between Iran and Israel.

Decastro: Eh, he's okay. But not better than last year's second round pick.

Albert: Should be working on his footwork while moving inside to guard. Additionally, he is an enemy of america, providing intelligence to the Russians.


Tells you all you need to know about his capability to assess O-lineman.

Hoover
02-18-2012, 09:42 PM
I think Reiff will drop.

Bewbies
02-18-2012, 11:27 PM
I watched UGA a lot this year, terrible o line. Maybe not Glenns fault, but he scares me as an NFL prospect.

BossChief
02-19-2012, 04:27 PM
I think Reiff will drop.

I thought so too, until I saw how thin the free agency market is for OTs.

Reiff is a quality starting OT prospect and with the cost of draft picks being so low and that combined with the weak free agency class, I would be a little surprised to see him dip out of the top 15.

Chocolate Hog
02-19-2012, 10:08 PM
Intresting I don't think Kirkpatrick will be that good in the NFL. I think it's 1. Claiborne 2. Jenkins 3. Dennard

aturnis
02-19-2012, 10:12 PM
Intresting I don't think Kirkpatrick will be that good in the NFL. I think it's 1. Claiborne 2. Jenkins 3. Dennard

Yeah. I agree. There are a lot of guys I'd take ahead of a guy with character questions like kirkpatrick. He's a mid 2nd for me.

Chocolate Hog
02-19-2012, 10:16 PM
I think Dennard is being overlooked because he was injured most of the year this year and got ejected in the bowl game but he's a better CB than Prince who was a 1st round pick and I don't recall a game where he got torched. Infact he did a pretty good job against Bowman after Prince got lit up and he shutdown McNutt . Both guys are going to be good WR's IMO.

BossChief
02-19-2012, 11:31 PM
I actually see a lot of Flowers' play in Kirkpatrick.

If he falls to the second round, Id LOVE to select him.

Especially if we lose Carr because some team wants him at a 11+ million.

buddha
02-25-2012, 12:19 AM
Mizzou just destroyed the North Carolina defensive "stars" in their bowl game. There is a lot of, "looks like Tarzan, plays like shit" on that defense. I wouldn't draft any of them in a top round, but somebody will.

Setsuna
02-26-2012, 01:51 PM
Jenkins wasn't trying at North Bama and why should he? He didn't need to go all out when no one was watching him, fuck that bullshit. He bided his time and is still the #2 CB despite what anyone else says.

Reaper16
02-26-2012, 02:17 PM
Jenkins wasn't trying at North Bama and why should he? He didn't need to go all out when no one was watching him, fuck that bullshit. He bided his time and is still the #2 CB despite what anyone else says.
Tells me he isn't a competitor or a team guy. I don't want that cancer in my locker room.

BossChief
02-27-2012, 01:27 AM
Tells me he isn't a competitor or a team guy. I don't want that cancer in my locker room.

Exactly.

I don't want any part of players that think they decide when to give 100% and when not to. It's selfish and shows he doesn't care about his teammates.

If your team doesn't always win, he will always be a distraction and when you are winning it will be all about him.

He will disappear for a year or two and when contract time comes around, he plays lights out and then demands top dollar or he becomes a big distraction to the team around him.

He will probably be a guy that gambles a lot to try and get the stats, but will hang his teammates out to dry a lot.

That is one thing I think Pioli has done quite well. He has taken risks, but it seems they have worked out because our team really came together last year towards the end even with all the killer injuries and all the potential distractions of the year.

I came away somewhat impressed by that.

jd1020
03-08-2012, 10:05 AM
Updated 3/5:

Quarterback

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State

Running Back

1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. Doug Martin, Boise State
3. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
4. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
5. LaMichael James, Oregon

Rise: Martin
Fall: Miller, Wilson

Wide Receiver

1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina

Rise: Floyd
Fall: Wright
New entry: Hill
Out: LSU's Rueben Randle

Tight End

1. Orson Charles, Georgia
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette

Offensive Tackle

1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia

Guard

1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
3. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
4. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
5. Brandon Brooks, Miami (Ohio)

Center

1. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
2. Philip Blake, Baylor
3. Ben Jones, Georgia
4. David Molk, Michigan
5. Michael Brewster, Ohio State

Defensive End

1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
3. Nick Perry, USC
4. Vinny Curry, Marshall
5. Jared Crick, Nebraska

Rise: Coples, Perry, Curry, Crick
New entry: Crick, Upshaw (formerly listed as linebacker)
Out: Clemson's Andre Branch, Illinois' Whitney Mercilus (now listed as outside linebacker), South Carolina's Melvin Ingram (now listed as outside linebacker)

Defensive Tackle

1. Dontari Poe, Memphis
2. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
3. Michael Brockers, LSU
4. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
5. Kendall Reyes, Connecticut

Rise: Poe, Cox
Fall: Brockers, Worthy
Out: Penn State's Devon Still, Clemson's Brandon Thompson

Outside Linebacker

1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
3. Andre Branch, Clemson
4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
5. Shea McClellin, Boise State

Out: Alabama's Courtney Upshaw (now listed at defensive end)

Inside Linebacker

1. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
2. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
3. Mychal Kendricks, California
4. Keenan Robinson, Texas
5. Sean Spence, Miami

Cornerback

1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
4. Josh Robinson, Central Florida
5. Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina

New entry: Robinson, Gilore
Out: Montana's Trumaine Johnson, Iowa State's Leonard Johnson

Safety

1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. Brandon Taylor, LSU
4. DeQuan Menzie, Alabama
5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse

New entry: Menzie, Taylor
Out: Boise State's George Iloka, Oklahoma State's Markelle Martin

Saul Good
03-12-2012, 11:02 AM
Don't understand the infatuation with Coples. I didn't watch a lot of UNC, but he was invisible against Mizzou. Maybe its just hard to play while the commentators are fellating you.

BossChief
01-25-2013, 09:10 PM
I wonder how long till he posts his 2013 version.

Seems his initial top fives were already out at this time sat year.

jd1020
01-25-2013, 09:17 PM
He might not do it at all. He hasn't posted on NFL.com since August.

FWIW, he posted his rankings on Jan 24th last year and Jan 22nd in 2011. So If he does it would probably be right around this time.

htismaqe
01-25-2013, 09:43 PM
He might not do it at all. He hasn't posted on NFL.com since August.

FWIW, he posted his rankings on Jan 24th last year and Jan 22nd in 2011. So If he does it would probably be right around this time.

Yeah there's nothing on there since August. Guessing they won't be posted this year.