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Cave Johnson
02-01-2012, 02:37 PM
or the very rich, etc.

Does this guy think before he speaks? That's a terrible sound bite. And don't cry out of context, he opened the door on that line of attack.

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Mr. Flopnuts
02-01-2012, 02:43 PM
4 more years. 4 more years. 4 more years.

LOCOChief
02-01-2012, 02:43 PM
He's right on.

Said there's saftey nets that's why there's not immediate concern for the very poor, his priority is the middle class not the very rich and that's what he said.

BucEyedPea
02-01-2012, 02:50 PM
He's shouldn't be concerned since they're protected already. That's a socialist's sentiment.

Bump
02-01-2012, 02:51 PM
ROFL

he's ONLY concerned with the companies who are gonna bribe him to make the laws the way it will benefit mega corps. What a crock of shit. The middle class are gonna be fucked soon, really fucked, just wait.

Cave Johnson
02-01-2012, 02:51 PM
He's right on.

Said there's saftey nets that's why there's not immediate concern for the very poor, his priority is the middle class not the very rich and that's what he said.

Poor people still vote, albeit in diminished numbers relative to higher social strata. And his proposed budgetary cuts will, in all likelihood, disproportionally affect the poor.

But hey, keep pushing that "the poor in American have it made" line.

patteeu
02-01-2012, 02:54 PM
or the very rich, etc.

Does this guy think before he speaks? That's a terrible sound bite. And don't cry out of context, he opened the door on that line of attack.


You obviously know it's out of context, but you repeat it anyway. He opened the line of attack to a lesser degree than Barack Obama opened the birther line of attack.

Hydrae
02-01-2012, 02:56 PM
I am trying to accustom myself to the realization that we will have 4 more years of Obama.

BucEyedPea
02-01-2012, 02:56 PM
Poor people still vote, albeit in diminished numbers relative to higher social strata. And his proposed budgetary cuts will, in all likelihood, disproportionally affect the poor.

But hey, keep pushing that "the poor in American have it made" line.

His budgets cuts don't amount to a hill of beans.

patteeu
02-01-2012, 02:57 PM
Personally, I'd like him better if he proposed raising taxes on the poor.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-01-2012, 02:59 PM
I am trying to accustom myself to the realization that we will have 4 more years of Obama.

you should. Because we will.

Calcountry
02-01-2012, 03:00 PM
4 more years. 4 more years. 4 more years.I'm afraid so Mr. Flopnuts.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-01-2012, 03:00 PM
Personally, I'd like him better if he proposed raising taxes on the poor.

and people like this, are why.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-01-2012, 03:02 PM
I'm afraid so Mr. Flopnuts.

Me too.

LOCOChief
02-01-2012, 03:02 PM
Poor people still vote, albeit in diminished numbers relative to higher social strata. And his proposed budgetary cuts will, in all likelihood, disproportionally affect the poor.

But hey, keep pushing that "the poor in American have it made" line.

Nobody said that poor people have it made just that there are things in place to help them. Is that what you think the primary focus should be of the next POTUS? How can we help the poor? growing the middleclass does help the poor.

Calcountry
02-01-2012, 03:03 PM
you should. Because we will.He just couldn't fu#k the country up enough in the first four, so, he needs another 4 to finish the job.

BucEyedPea
02-01-2012, 03:08 PM
Nobody said that poor people have it made just that there are things in place to help them. Is that what you think the primary focus should be of the next POTUS? How can we help the poor? growing the middleclass does help the poor.

Too much help for the poor hurts the middle-class.

Here's one good example. The poor get to go to college scott free with grants but Middle-Class kids have to go by carrying weighty debts. Not only that some are given grants to go to Europe too. That's supposed to be fair.

I say, let those who are poor and in college come out carrying some debt too. That would be fair and lessen the burden on the Middle-Class. The poor who get to go to college, are getting a chance like anyone else.

HonestChieffan
02-01-2012, 03:09 PM
Obama has done so much to help the middle class and the poor I'm amazed this is even an issue

patteeu
02-01-2012, 03:10 PM
you should. Because we will.

I see that [false] hope springs eternal for some of our fellow countrymen. Good luck with that.

SNR
02-01-2012, 03:15 PM
Like your other thread where Romney said, "I like being able to fire people", you're hating on him for the dumbest reasons.

Hating Romney is fine. I do it all the time. He's scum. But at least find something reasonable to hate about the guy. God knows there's plenty to choose from, after all.

alnorth
02-01-2012, 03:19 PM
This wont make a difference for a couple reasons.

#1 Because barring a sudden deep recession in the summer, he wasn't going to beat Obama anyway.

#2 If he hypothetically did have a reasonable chance to win, this sound bite would be more of a problem if he said it in October. It'll be old explained-away clarified forgotten news by the election.

KC Dan
02-01-2012, 03:31 PM
you should. Because we will.And, we will all be the princess in your avatar...

Mr. Flopnuts
02-01-2012, 03:33 PM
I see that [false] hope springs eternal for some of our fellow countrymen. Good luck with that.

And, we will all be the princess in your avatar...

It's not like I want it. I was fooled once. I'm not happy about it.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-01-2012, 03:35 PM
Like your other thread where Romney said, "I like being able to fire people", you're hating on him for the dumbest reasons.

Hating Romney is fine. I do it all the time. He's scum. But at least find something reasonable to hate about the guy. God knows there's plenty to choose from, after all.

the average voter isn't 1/10th as smart as you. This is plenty.

patteeu
02-01-2012, 03:50 PM
It's not like I want it. I was fooled once. I'm not happy about it.

And now, after having been fooled by the last charlatan, you seem just as certain as the last time around.

mikey23545
02-01-2012, 03:54 PM
No, Mitt does not believe in turning the poor into slaves of the state.

Cave Johnson
02-01-2012, 03:57 PM
Like your other thread where Romney said, "I like being able to fire people", you're hating on him for the dumbest reasons.

Hating Romney is fine. I do it all the time. He's scum. But at least find something reasonable to hate about the guy. God knows there's plenty to choose from, after all.

I have no interest in boring anyone with my substantive criticism. Hating on him because he's a shitty campaigner is much more fun.

petegz28
02-01-2012, 05:45 PM
Parties and nominees aside people should take the emotion out of it and look at the qualifications of the candidates. I know, that's a pipe dream. Anyhow, when you look at Obama vs. Romney it's hands down Romney.

Obama has done nothing worthy of note in his career. Yes, he was a community organizer. Yes, he taugh Constitutional law. He was briefly a state senator and even more briefly a senator in D.C. Then the media helped him beat an equally unqualified Hillary Clinton who rose to her position due to her Husband's success and last name.

Romney on the other hand has been a successful businessman who has ran companies. He was a governor. He has actually ran more than just his mouth contrary to Obama.

I am not saying I am thrilled with either but if I were interviewing either to be the CEO of this country I would say the guy who has actual business and governing experience seems to be the more qualified.

petegz28
02-01-2012, 05:52 PM
It's not like I want it. I was fooled once. I'm not happy about it.

You were fooled along with a lot of other people. The media never asked Obama how he was going to bring all this hope and change to the world. And they never took him to task afterwards either. For instance, during the campaign he said the biggest difference between him and Hillary on healthcare was she wanted to mandate everyone buy insurance and he said he didn't. What did we get? He said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%. What did we get?

Obama played on an unpopularity of Bush against a terrible tandem of McCain\Palin. The media was salivating at the chance to have a Democrat in the White House so much they just fluffed him up while casting dispersions of racism to anyone who opposed him.

Taco John
02-01-2012, 05:52 PM
RedState piling on... These guys hate Romney. Not as much as they hate Paul, but man oh man do they hate Romney.

The National Review’s Candidate Won’t Stop Digging (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/02/01/the-national-reviews-candidate-wont-stop-digging/)

La literatura
02-01-2012, 05:57 PM
Parties and nominees aside people should take the emotion out of it and look at the qualifications of the candidates. I know, that's a pipe dream. Anyhow, when you look at Obama vs. Romney it's hands down Romney.

Obama has done nothing worthy of note in his career. Yes, he was a community organizer. Yes, he taugh Constitutional law. He was briefly a state senator and even more briefly a senator in D.C. Then the media helped him beat an equally unqualified Hillary Clinton who rose to her position due to her Husband's success and last name.

Romney on the other hand has been a successful businessman who has ran companies. He was a governor. He has actually ran more than just his mouth contrary to Obama.

I am not saying I am thrilled with either but if I were interviewing either to be the CEO of this country I would say the guy who has actual business and governing experience seems to be the more qualified.

This is the now the most belated argument you could come up with. If you are comparing the two based on prior experience of governing, for purposes of the presidency, the obvious winner is Obama. Between the two, one has several years of experience as chief executive of the country. The other has absolutely none. If governing experience is a basis at all, the argument for Romney has to be that despite Romney's lack of presidential experience, he would still make a better president.

Weird post. Relevant in 2008. Not now.

petegz28
02-01-2012, 06:01 PM
This is the now the most belated argument you could come up with. If you are comparing the two based on prior experience of governing, for purposes of the presidency, the obvious winner is Obama. Between the two, one has several years of experience as chief executive of the country. The other has absolutely none. If governing experience is a basis at all, the argument for Romney has to be that despite Romney's lack of presidential experience, he would still make a better president.

Weird post. Relevant in 2008. Not now.

I think still very relevant given the condition of our economy. I want someone in there who has actually ran a buisness. Running a business and governing is the hope of any candidate. Just because Obama was President for 1 term doesn't qualify him for a 2nd term. Partcularly when there are others running against him who have the experience we need in a position of leadership.

petegz28
02-01-2012, 06:17 PM
RedState piling on... These guys hate Romney. Not as much as they hate Paul, but man oh man do they hate Romney.

The National Review’s Candidate Won’t Stop Digging (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/02/01/the-national-reviews-candidate-wont-stop-digging/)

I'm not real sure what people expect someone to say about the poor? We have the richest poor people in the world. While not a good sound byte I have to admit his take is spot on. Sure it would sound better if he would have promised the poor would never be poor again but then we would call him a kook, yes?

patteeu
02-01-2012, 11:32 PM
This is the now the most belated argument you could come up with. If you are comparing the two based on prior experience of governing, for purposes of the presidency, the obvious winner is Obama. Between the two, one has several years of experience as chief executive of the country. The other has absolutely none. If governing experience is a basis at all, the argument for Romney has to be that despite Romney's lack of presidential experience, he would still make a better president.

Weird post. Relevant in 2008. Not now.

It's the difference between successful governing/management and utter failure.

patteeu
02-01-2012, 11:33 PM
I'm not real sure what people expect someone to say about the poor? We have the richest poor people in the world. While not a good sound byte I have to admit his take is spot on. Sure it would sound better if he would have promised the poor would never be poor again but then we would call him a kook, yes?

When you factor in the social safety net, most of our poor are close to being in the global top 1%.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-02-2012, 12:09 AM
Won't be long before Mittsie tells us he really only cares about one kind of people, Corporations because they are the most important people around.

Cave Johnson
02-02-2012, 07:05 AM
I'm not real sure what people expect someone to say about the poor? We have the richest poor people in the world. While not a good sound byte I have to admit his take is spot on. Sure it would sound better if he would have promised the poor would never be poor again but then we would call him a kook, yes?

That's not even close to true. Look at unemployment benefits in Europe, for example.

blaise
02-02-2012, 07:11 AM
"don't cry out of context" sounds like you know it's taken out of context.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 07:19 AM
That's not even close to true. Look at unemployment benefits in Europe, for example.

Look how broke Europe is...

vailpass
02-02-2012, 07:26 AM
Way to alter the message to suit your purposes pittsie.
Your distortion of the message is irrelevant as is any other commentary on Romney. If Romney gets the nod it will all come down to just how many ABO voters are out there. I suspect there are more than some people seem to think.

Cave Johnson
02-02-2012, 08:25 AM
"don't cry out of context" sounds like you know it's taken out of context.

Of course it's out of context.

Look how broke Europe is...

I'm not holding them up as a model, just pointing out your BS position.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 08:29 AM
Of course it's out of context.



I'm not holding them up as a model, just pointing out your BS position.

My BS position? Dude, we have the richest poor people in the world. End of story. You are obviously holding them up as a model. If you think the poor people in Europe have it better than ours you are "on the crystal" to quote banyon. Unemployment benefits have nothing to do with being poor. You can easily be employed and poor and unemployed and not poor.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 08:33 AM
When you factor in the social safety net, most of our poor are close to being in the global top 1%.

Damn right they are. Food stamps, welfare, WICK, Medicaid, social security, guaranteed treatment at hospitals, housing assistance, PEL grants, tax breaks if not a profit for filing their taxes.

Sure it sucks being poor but all things considered our poor have it better than other poor people around the world.

Bump
02-02-2012, 08:35 AM
I still dont understand why u people thinks its gonna matter who the next president is when corporations have full control and our congress is the most corrupt thing on the planet.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 08:37 AM
I still dont understand why u people thinks its gonna matter who the next president is when corporations have full control and our congress is the most corrupt thing on the planet.

That is an excellent point. Corporations and SIG's.

Chiefshrink
02-02-2012, 08:39 AM
or the very rich, etc.

Does this guy think before he speaks? That's a terrible sound bite. And don't cry out of context, he opened the door on that line of attack.

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And why should he? The poor in this country are far different than the 3rd world poor. The poor in this country live better than I do !! As he said, the poor have safety nets(my tax dollars- thx to the Marxist Dem party and RINOs).:thumb:

Chiefshrink
02-02-2012, 08:43 AM
I still dont understand why u people thinks its gonna matter who the next president is when corporations have full control and our congress is the most corrupt thing on the planet.

This is why they(DC) do not like conservative outsiders who truly want to change DC and cleanup the corruption because true conservatives will not be "on the take" like Marxist Dems and RINOs.:thumb:

patteeu
02-02-2012, 10:14 AM
I still dont understand why u people thinks its gonna matter who the next president is when corporations have full control and our congress is the most corrupt thing on the planet.

Since you don't think it matters, would you vote for Mitt Romney as a favor to me?

Cave Johnson
02-02-2012, 10:38 AM
Since you don't think it matters, would you vote for Mitt Romney as a favor to me?

Begging for votes is unbecoming.

Bump
02-02-2012, 11:05 AM
Since you don't think it matters, would you vote for Mitt Romney as a favor to me?

the election has already been decided, why would my vote matter?

Chief Roundup
02-02-2012, 11:08 AM
Ron Paul is the only Republican worth voting for. Unfortunately Ron Paul will not get the nomination. So we are stuck with 4 more years of Obama.

vailpass
02-02-2012, 11:12 AM
Ron Paul is the only Republican worth voting for. Unfortunately Ron Paul will not get the nomination. So we are stuck with 4 more years of Obama.

ABOERP

Donger
02-02-2012, 11:14 AM
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Calcountry
02-02-2012, 11:25 AM
Damn right they are. Food stamps, welfare, WICK, Medicaid, social security, guaranteed treatment at hospitals, housing assistance, PEL grants, tax breaks if not a profit for filing their taxes.

Sure it sucks being poor but all things considered our poor have it better than other poor people around the world.You forgot govt backed student loans to inflate Big Education's prices, so that Big governments teachers get paid.

patteeu
02-02-2012, 11:27 AM
Begging for votes is unbecoming.

No it isn't. Taking a candidates words out of context when you know they're out of context is unbecoming.

patteeu
02-02-2012, 11:28 AM
the election has already been decided, why would my vote matter?

It won't affect the outcome. It will only matter to me because it will show me that you care.

Chief Roundup
02-02-2012, 11:39 AM
ABOERP

?????

J Diddy
02-02-2012, 11:40 AM
Since you don't think it matters, would you vote for Mitt Romney as a favor to me?


I'm not really sure how voting for Mitt Romney would be a favor to anyone.

Chief Roundup
02-02-2012, 11:44 AM
I'm not really sure how voting for Mitt Romney would be a favor to anyone.

It wouldn't. That guy flip flops more than a fish on the bank.

vailpass
02-02-2012, 11:45 AM
?????

Anyone But Obama
Except Ron Paul

patteeu
02-02-2012, 11:49 AM
I'm not really sure how voting for Mitt Romney would be a favor to anyone.

Voting for Mitt Romney would help you get better at understanding these things. Give it a try.

patteeu
02-02-2012, 11:50 AM
It wouldn't. That guy flip flops more than a fish on the bank.

For example?

Chief Roundup
02-02-2012, 12:08 PM
For example?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c

Still can't figure out the embedding thing. If someone would do that. Thanks.

patteeu
02-02-2012, 01:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c

Still can't figure out the embedding thing. If someone would do that. Thanks.

Seriously, do you have any examples of your own that you're willing to vouch for or are you just going to regurgitate misleading campaign spin?

The very first example in that youtube video consisted of Mitt Romney saying that he never supported "the's president's recovery act, the stimulus" and in a separate clip saying that "there is need for economic stimulus". Do you have any idea what the context surrounding those statements is or are you just uncritically accepting what the youtube creator wants to you believe because it fits your preconceived notions? It's perfectly consistent to have thought that some type of stimulus was desirable while being opposed to President Obama's particular formulation.

I don't want to go through a 6+ minute youtube spinfest debunking these fake flip flops item by item, so if you want to mention two or three specific ones (and it ought to be easy if he really flip flops more than a fish on a bank), I'll address them. Otherwise, I'm going to assume that you're just repeating what you've heard without really knowing the truth.

ChiefaRoo
02-02-2012, 01:22 PM
Romney wasn't saying anything that's not true. His mistake was saying it in a way that allows those with a bias to seize upon the wording. He's right the poor in the USA have multiple safety nets. He's not saying they have to stay poor or he's going to try to keep them poor. In reality he was saying he will focus on the middle class which is where the poor need to be trying to get to.

This is all much ado about nothing.

gblowfish
02-02-2012, 03:59 PM
Apparently The Donald likes him now....

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Iowanian
02-02-2012, 05:21 PM
On this topic he's right.

It's not politically correct and it's not popular, but there are plenty of programs to house, feed, entertain and educate the poor in this country.

It's the land of opportunity.

Luck is where preparation and opportunity meet.

Preparation and Opportunity usually meet in college classrooms or at work 5-6 days/week.

La literatura
02-02-2012, 05:33 PM
Preparation and Opportunity usually meet in college classrooms or at work 5-6 days/week.

It's not often you see props given to college classrooms in DC.

Iowanian
02-02-2012, 05:39 PM
It's not often you see the "poor" doing much to rid themselves of that situation in the real world.

I'm not talking about elderly or disabled.....I'm talking no job, street walking, soda sipping perfectly capable non-producer-Americans perfectly content to take a free ride.

go bowe
02-02-2012, 06:28 PM
When you factor in the social safety net, most of our poor are close to being in the global top 1%.

aren't all americans in the global top 1%?

given our cost of living having a greater income than a goat-herder in africa doesn't mean you are getting by in america...

the issue is being poor - here in america, the rest of the world doesn't matter...

petegz28
02-02-2012, 06:30 PM
aren't all americans in the global top 1%?

given our cost of living having a greater income than a goat-herder in africa doesn't mean you are getting by in america...

the issue is being poor - here in america, the rest of the world doesn't matter...

Aside from everything we already do for the poor what else would you like to see?

go bowe
02-02-2012, 06:44 PM
Aside from everything we already do for the poor what else would you like to see?

instead of reducing benefits by lowering the income level of eligibility, they should be extended to all who need them...

it's the working poor that are hardest hit by the cuts currently taking place...

this policy actually further discourages minimum wage working, since they could better make ends meet by not working...

and it's unfair to a segment of the poor that still needs assistance...

i know i know, obama-speak, unfair... :p

petegz28
02-02-2012, 06:52 PM
instead of reducing benefits by lowering the income level of eligibility, they should be extended to all who need them...

it's the working poor that are hardest hit by the cuts currently taking place...

this policy actually further discourages minimum wage working, since they could better make ends meet by not working...

and it's unfair to a segment of the poor that still needs assistance...

i know i know, obama-speak, unfair... :p

Fair enough. Now, can you defnine need? Need as in the gal on the video in the thread about her heating bill where she had a $1k electric bill and could afford to wait there for days on end to get paid? Or the others you see waiting for the same in the waiting room on the cell phones?

And exactly to what extent to help them? If we extend said benefits as you say then what inspires them to do anything at all? I mean if working minimum wage jobs discourages them from working cause they would otherwise makeout better on the Gov tip then how does throwing even more money at that and extending it even more encourage it?

Now to be fair I exclude elderly and handicapped from my argument. Otherwise a mother ****er better actually demonstrate a "need". And I don't mean well, I got my Iphone, my X-box, my new Nike's, a closet full of new threads, my big screen hd tv in 3 rooms and cable with all the movie channels but mother ****er I need help paying my light bill!!!

patteeu
02-02-2012, 07:48 PM
aren't all americans in the global top 1%?

given our cost of living having a greater income than a goat-herder in africa doesn't mean you are getting by in america...

the issue is being poor - here in america, the rest of the world doesn't matter...

No, I don't remember the numbers exactly, but I think something close to 70% of Americans are in the global top 1%. But most of the other 30% are doing pretty well.

Social elites from the third world are coming here to drive our cabs. I don't think cost of living changes the story much. Sure it's cheap to live in a dirt-floored hut and eat once every other day, but that doesn't mean a poor person in America is going to want to trade places with an African goat herder.

go bowe
02-02-2012, 07:55 PM
No, I don't remember the numbers exactly, but I think something close to 70% of Americans are in the global top 1%. But most of the other 30% are doing pretty well.

Social elites from the third world are coming here to drive our cabs. I don't think cost of living changes the story much. Sure it's cheap to live in a dirt-floored hut and eat once every other day, but that doesn't mean a poor person in America is going to want to trade places with an African goat herder.

i dunno, didn't teedubya talk about leaving the county awhile back?

he could talk conspiracy all day long with the goats...

HonestChieffan
02-02-2012, 08:02 PM
instead of reducing benefits by lowering the income level of eligibility, they should be extended to all who need them...

it's the working poor that are hardest hit by the cuts currently taking place...

this policy actually further discourages minimum wage working, since they could better make ends meet by not working...

and it's unfair to a segment of the poor that still needs assistance...

i know i know, obama-speak, unfair... :p

Cuts currently taking place?

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 08:10 PM
Pittsie is right...it was a horribly bad thing to say given most of the American Idol watching public are going to hear the sound bite and everyone thinks they're the poorest Americans. Romney's not going to get any cover from the mainstream pundits.

Now, had Romney said something about 57 states, that would have gone ignored...

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 08:24 PM
Pittsie is right...it was a horribly bad thing to say given most of the American Idol watching public are going to hear the sound bite and everyone thinks they're the poorest Americans. Romney's not going to get any cover from the mainstream pundits.

Now, had Romney said something about 57 states, that would have gone ignored...

The same people whining that this is taken out of context are probably the same ones that defend Romney when he ran ads saying Newt called spanish the language of the ghetto.

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 08:30 PM
The same people whining that this is taken out of context are probably the same ones that defend Romney when he ran ads saying Newt called spanish the language of the ghetto.

Given you quoted my post, Im going to assume 'same people' is directed at me. Im not familiar with the ad you refer, and I really dont care. I see both Newt and Romney basically the same and care for each very little. Neither represent anyone I would enthusiastically support.

I recognize the quote and bite for what it is...bad and I recognize how it's going to be used by the chattering classes and how the majority of those that pay scant attention to politics in this country are going to perceive it...to the detriment of this country.

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 08:41 PM
Given you quoted my post, Im going to assume 'same people' is directed at me. Im not familiar with the ad you refer, and I really dont care. I see both Newt and Romney basically the same and care for each very little. Neither represent anyone I would enthusiastically support.

I recognize the quote and bite for what it is...bad and I recognize how it's going to be used by the chattering classes and how the majority of those that pay scant attention to politics in this country are going to perceive it...to the detriment of this country.

Sorry that wasn't directed at you unless you are one of the whiners I was talking about

Of course it was bad and Romney even admitted it today. He says stupid things and the guy really can't relate to normal people.

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 08:43 PM
Sorry that wasn't directed at you unless you are one of the whiners I was talking about

Of course it was bad and Romney even admitted it today. He says stupid things and the guy really can't relate to normal people.

Again...you quoted my post.

Saying stupid things...he doesnt even reach the top 3 in this campaign.

patteeu
02-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Sorry that wasn't directed at you unless you are one of the whiners I was talking about

Of course it was bad and Romney even admitted it today. He says stupid things and the guy really can't relate to normal people.

I think he does a pretty good job of relating to normal people.

go bowe
02-02-2012, 09:18 PM
I think he does a pretty good job of relating to normal people.

depends on the definition of normal... :p

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 09:20 PM
I think he does a pretty good job of relating to normal people.

you aren't normal so of course you would think that :D

go bowe
02-02-2012, 09:21 PM
you aren't normal so of course you would think that :D

much better quip...

good job...

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 09:25 PM
much better quip...

good job...

Not really he set it up too easy. But at least we agree that he isn't normal, I mean I think he is still on dial up and he loves Dick........Cheney. That clearly isn't normal

go bowe
02-02-2012, 09:30 PM
Not really he set it up too easy. But at least we agree that he isn't normal, I mean I think he is still on dial up and he loves Dick........Cheney. That clearly isn't normal

ROFL

Chiefshrink
02-02-2012, 09:35 PM
Also, Romney "stepped in it" because he cannot define conservatism because at his core he is not a conservative. If he were a true conservative he would have had a 5 min response on how the "safety net" denies dignity to the poor and makes damn sure the poor stay poor.

He now is on board for increasing the minimum wage hoping politically this will lessen his "stepping on the poor" comment. If he were a true conservative no way in hell is for increasing the minimum wage and would said that increasing the minimum wage is a surefire way to keep poor people unemployed because it is too expensive to hire:rolleyes:.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 09:38 PM
JFC, I thought saying stupid things was an automatic ticket to being VP at least?

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 09:41 PM
You are absolutely right for once ss. I almost started a new thread on his minimum wage flip flop.

Keep up the good fight brother.

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 09:47 PM
JFC, I thought saying stupid things was an automatic ticket to being VP at least?

There is still a chance for Palin so be patient

Cave Johnson
02-03-2012, 12:07 PM
Using Chris Wallace's argument is just icing on the cake.

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patteeu
02-03-2012, 12:11 PM
Using Chris Wallace's argument is just icing on the cake.

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Unsurprisingly dumb.

Mitt Romney wants to help the middle class by reviving the American economy, not be giving them handouts. Are liberals incapable of understanding that the government isn't a source of free mana?

Cave Johnson
02-03-2012, 12:18 PM
No it isn't. Taking a candidates words out of context when you know they're out of context is unbecoming.

So, Mittens is unbecoming?

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Cave Johnson
02-03-2012, 12:23 PM
Unsurprisingly dumb.

Mitt Romney wants to help the middle class by reviving the American economy, not be giving them handouts. Are liberals incapable of understanding that the government isn't a source of free mana?

Of course, the continued miracle of trickle down economics.

blaise
02-03-2012, 12:24 PM
Of course, the continued miracle of trickle down economics.

Yes, we should keep subsidizing the poor so we'll become a wonderland like Detroit.

go bowe
02-04-2012, 11:27 PM
Unsurprisingly dumb.

Mitt Romney wants to help the middle class by reviving the American economy, not be giving them handouts. Are liberals incapable of understanding that the government isn't a source of free mana?

free mana?

seems like under romney's tax plan it will be the rich receiving mana from the government in terms of massive tax cuts while those under $20,000 get a 60% increase...

more money going to the rich is not mana for the middle class or poor people, it's mana for the rich...

will liberals ever be capable of understanding that the government is indeed a source for free mana if you're rich?

go bowe
02-04-2012, 11:33 PM
Yes, we should keep subsidizing the poor so we'll become a wonderland like Detroit.

we've been "subsidizing" the poor for many decades and we haven't all become a wonderland like detroit yet...

most poor people i know would much rather have a job than a handout, but there aren't any jobs for them...

if there are no jobs for the poor, what else can we do but subsidize them?

let them starve?

most people on assistance are children, white children...

tell them to get a job?

have them become janitors at their schools?

what is the alternative to subsidizing the poor?

Cave Johnson
02-05-2012, 10:37 AM
Yes, we should keep subsidizing the poor so we'll become a wonderland like Detroit.

I've always wanted to buy a house for the price of a used car....

BucEyedPea
02-05-2012, 01:32 PM
I've always wanted to buy a house for the price of a used car....

Then you shouldn't be for the Obama stimulus.

banyon
02-05-2012, 01:37 PM
Then you shouldn't be for the Obama stimulus.

I think the hellholishness of Detroit predates the Obama stimulus.

go bowe
02-05-2012, 02:58 PM
I think the hellholishness of Detroit predates the Obama stimulus.

you must have visited there in a previous life...

been that way since i was a kid, and before...

most of the burbs are nicer and much safer, but detroit proper has always been a rough place...