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whoman69
02-01-2012, 03:37 PM
cut/not re-signed
Becht
Gregg
Jones
Langford
McGraw
Piscawhosis
O'Connell
O'Callaghan
Palko
Richardson
Wiegman
Urban

FA Manning, Flynn or Orton
Resign Bowe, Carr, Belcher

Draft

1. David DeCastro, G, Stanford
2. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
3. Nate Potter, OT, Boise St.
4. Ladarius Green, TE, Louisiana-Lafayette
5. Tavon Wilson, SS, Illinois
6. Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
7. Bob Hebert, C, LSU
7b. Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland

aturnis
02-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Russel Wilson? Really? Complete failure.

whoman69
02-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Russel Wilson? Really? Complete failure.

You're worried about a sixth round pick? Guy is an athlete and a leader. If he were bigger would probably project higher. For a project #3 starter you can't ask for much.

jd1020
02-01-2012, 04:10 PM
You're worried about a sixth round pick? Guy is an athlete and a leader. If he were bigger would probably project higher. For a project #3 starter you can't ask for much.

He's not just short. He's awful in the pocket. You can't get much closer to a wasted pick than Wilson, unless you are looking at him for a different position.

Bewbies
02-01-2012, 04:31 PM
I will take a blown 6th on a QB that will never play in the NFL over a G at 11. Good grief...

milkman
02-01-2012, 05:04 PM
Whatever we do this offseason, whether in the draft or free agency, we do need to address the second RB position.

Even if Charles comes back at 100%, he can not be expected to carry the load.

And you can not expect a 7th rounder to be the guy to share the load, and Jackie Battle is not the answer.

mnchiefsguy
02-01-2012, 05:24 PM
Why do these mocks keep having us taking a guard at No. 11/12? Horrible positional value, if we are going to do that, we need to be trading down.

Munson
02-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Taking a guard at #11 is like taking a 3-4 DE at #3. The value just isn't there. Even a RT at #11 is a terrible value. But it wouldn't surprise me if Pioli drafted a G or RT without trading down.

whoman69
02-01-2012, 07:56 PM
Why do these mocks keep having us taking a guard at No. 11/12? Horrible positional value, if we are going to do that, we need to be trading down.

I hear that answer every year. Just trade on down. Must be real easy to do that. Who do you think the player is that will get to our spot that everyone wants to move up for. Don't mention moving down. Its a lazy answer. Plus you don't give your own alternatives.

jd1020
02-01-2012, 07:59 PM
I hear that answer every year. Just trade on down. Must be real easy to do that. Who do you think the player is that will get to our spot that everyone wants to move up for. Don't mention moving down. Its a lazy answer. Plus you don't give your own alternatives.

Even so, taking a G? We don't even really need a G. Just getting Wiegmann out of the middle can hold us for a year. Lilja still has 1 year left on his contract. BRich on the other hand needs to fucking go, yesterday.

chiefforlife
02-01-2012, 09:58 PM
NO WAY we cut Piscawhosis.:spock:

SNR
02-01-2012, 10:10 PM
I know DeCastro is one-of-a-kind and all.

But jesus fuck. Guard. A god damn fucking guard.

aturnis
02-01-2012, 10:19 PM
I hear that answer every year. Just trade on down. Must be real easy to do that. Who do you think the player is that will get to our spot that everyone wants to move up for. Don't mention moving down. Its a lazy answer. Plus you don't give your own alternatives.

New England has no problems doing it.

Nor did McDaniels with Denver.

T-post Tom
02-01-2012, 10:24 PM
FA: Carl Nicks

Also, wouldn't be surprised to see Cortland Finnegan or Brent Grimes brought in for a look if a deal with Carr goes south.

Chiefnj2
02-02-2012, 10:54 AM
People make too much out of positional value. At the end of the day if you get an excellent player, it was a good pick. How hard did everyone laugh when the Raiders took a kicker in the first. He's won many a game for them.

whoman69
02-02-2012, 02:32 PM
New England has no problems doing it.

Nor did McDaniels with Denver.

New England is almost always at the end of the first round dealing with teams that want to move up from the 2nd. Easy to do considering they don't expect players to come in and start for them near the tail end of the first round.

To move down you have to have a player that other teams covet at your spot while not moving down to where the player your team covets would be picked. I hear people yelling trade down all the time.

whoman69
02-02-2012, 02:33 PM
Even so, taking a G? We don't even really need a G. Just getting Wiegmann out of the middle can hold us for a year. Lilja still has 1 year left on his contract. BRich on the other hand needs to ****ing go, yesterday.

Yeah, Lilja was great last year. A young DeCastro definitely would not be an upgrade.

Detoxing
02-02-2012, 02:45 PM
People make too much out of positional value. At the end of the day if you get an excellent player, it was a good pick. How hard did everyone laugh when the Raiders took a kicker in the first. He's won many a game for them.

I agree.

I could give two shits about positional value.

BPA all the way.

Positional value can suck it.

jd1020
02-02-2012, 02:52 PM
Yeah, Lilja was great last year. A young DeCastro definitely would not be an upgrade.

Missed the point entirely...

Wiegmann and Lilja weren't great but Wiegmann, is hopefully retiring and Hudson is taking over. Now you've got Richardson over there at RT who couldn't block for a high school team. So you are looking at replacing Lilja, who has 1 year left, or Richardson, who's a FA, and you have seemingly equal value at both positions likely on the board and you choose to replace Lilja...

I'm not wanting to draft Trent Richardson in the first but I'd take him all day over DeCastro.

Tribal Warfare
02-02-2012, 05:26 PM
People make too much out of positional value. At the end of the day if you get an excellent player, it was a good pick. How hard did everyone laugh when the Raiders took a kicker in the first. He's won many a game for them.

He's a dick, alcoholic, and loose cannon, during one season off memory he had a seizure because he took too much Ecstasy at a night club.

O.city
02-02-2012, 05:31 PM
I know some aren't big on Richardson and I'm not really high on him myself, but I ask myself, when discussing a potential draft pick, which one brings more to your team?

I think Richardson brings more to the Chiefs than DeCastro.

Think about it this way, if a rb with Richardson skills hits free agency ala Ray Rice or Matt Fotrte and a guard of Decastro's skill set, which one would teams rather pay big money for?

whoman69
02-02-2012, 06:21 PM
Missed the point entirely...

Wiegmann and Lilja weren't great but Wiegmann, is hopefully retiring and Hudson is taking over. Now you've got Richardson over there at RT who couldn't block for a high school team. So you are looking at replacing Lilja, who has 1 year left, or Richardson, who's a FA, and you have seemingly equal value at both positions likely on the board and you choose to replace Lilja...

I'm not wanting to draft Trent Richardson in the first but I'd take him all day over DeCastro.

If we can make a move to improve the team, make it, whether its for now or one year from now. I think the biggest team need we can draft for as a starter is at RT but the option at #12 is to draft a LT and move them over to right which from what we saw with Gaither isn't always a good move. The top RT is somewhere in the neighborhood of a round 2-3 pick. I think another pick here, though it would be a bit of a reach at #12 is Don'ta Hightower but that I would only do if not resigning Belcher.

jd1020
02-02-2012, 06:50 PM
If we can make a move to improve the team, make it, whether its for now or one year from now. I think the biggest team need we can draft for as a starter is at RT but the option at #12 is to draft a LT and move them over to right which from what we saw with Gaither isn't always a good move. The top RT is somewhere in the neighborhood of a round 2-3 pick. I think another pick here, though it would be a bit of a reach at #12 is Don'ta Hightower but that I would only do if not resigning Belcher.

Gaither didn't play. That's either because of Haley or Gaither truly did refuse to play RT.

Just to name a few college LT's that were recently drafted and play RT now... Bulaga, Oher, Solder. All I can think of off the top of my head.

whoman69
02-02-2012, 07:25 PM
Gaither didn't play. That's either because of Haley or Gaither truly did refuse to play RT.

Just to name a few college LT's that were recently drafted and play RT now... Bulaga, Oher, Solder. All I can think of off the top of my head.

Many RTs in the league were tried at LT and failed and moved to LT. You draft high to get an LT and when that doesn't work, move them to the right side. Many were saying we should do that with Albert.

Most reports I saw on Gaither as to why he didn't beat out Richardson was that he couldn't make the transition. You can't assume they will always be able to make that transition.

JASONSAUTO
02-02-2012, 07:43 PM
I know some aren't big on Richardson and I'm not really high on him myself, but I ask myself, when discussing a potential draft pick, which one brings more to your team?

I think Richardson brings more to the Chiefs than DeCastro.

Think about it this way, if a rb with Richardson skills hits free agency ala Ray Rice or Matt Fotrte and a guard of Decastro's skill set, which one would teams rather pay big money for?
some guards have broken the bank lately, iirc steve hutchinson was one of the first.
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Nightfyre
02-02-2012, 07:53 PM
I would say top 5 guards get more than top 5 RBs if I had to guess.

JASONSAUTO
02-02-2012, 07:59 PM
When was the last blockbuster fa rb signed? I mean by another team.
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Chiefnj2
02-02-2012, 08:16 PM
Many RTs in the league were tried at LT and failed and moved to LT. You draft high to get an LT and when that doesn't work, move them to the right side. Many were saying we should do that with Albert.

Most reports I saw on Gaither as to why he didn't beat out Richardson was that he couldn't make the transition. You can't assume they will always be able to make that transition.

I'm not sure those reports about not being able to make the transition are accurate. He played half of his college snaps at RT.

Bewbies
02-02-2012, 09:52 PM
We have a good LT and shit at QB. Drafting to replace a good player trying to cover up the shit is dumb.

The fantasy of drafting a "franchise" LT around here is retarded.

aturnis
02-02-2012, 11:10 PM
We have a good LT and shit at QB. Drafting to replace a good player trying to cover up the shit is dumb.

The fantasy of drafting a "franchise" LT around here is retarded.

Has anyone interested last week or even month suggested this?

The OT picks you see in the first round are taken to play RT. This last season buys Albert time to continue to grow at LT. Even with the fans.

Tribal Warfare
02-03-2012, 01:57 AM
The more I think about it if the 1st round pick is Trent Richardson then it's a total Pioli ( to keep selling Cassel as a "good" QB) pick but if it's Poe then of course then it's a Crennel selection.

Bewbies
02-03-2012, 12:52 PM
Has anyone interested last week or even month suggested this?

The OT picks you see in the first round are taken to play RT. This last season buys Albert time to continue to grow at LT. Even with the fans.

Read the posts above mine.

jd1020
02-03-2012, 02:00 PM
Read the posts above mine.

:hmmm:

Me thinks you should read the posts above yours.

aturnis
02-03-2012, 03:34 PM
Read the posts above mine.

Nobody is saying to draft a LT. Period. They are talking about drafting a RT at #11/12. So your "franchise LT" comment is dumb.

Also, the sooner you eliminate all other possibilities of failure, the sooner they will point the finger at Cassel. Hopefully, by that time, Stanzi's developed into something resembling an NFL QB.

aturnis
02-03-2012, 03:35 PM
:hmmm:

Me thinks you should read the posts above yours.

Agreed.

O.city
02-03-2012, 03:36 PM
We need a RT.


Take the best RT in the draft who actually played RT in college and a guy that could be had in the second round.

Massie from Ole Miss.

Bewbies
02-03-2012, 04:30 PM
I missed the Gaither reference, my bad.

aturnis
02-03-2012, 06:30 PM
We need a RT.


Take the best RT in the draft who actually played RT in college and a guy that could be had in the second round.

Massie from Ole Miss.

Eh. Some draftniks are scratching their heads wondering why he declared early.

Tribal Warfare
02-03-2012, 06:33 PM
Eh. Some draftniks are scratching their heads wondering why he declared early.

probably family issues

gonefishin53
02-03-2012, 10:53 PM
Massie seems to have a very professional attitude. Found this really positive story.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/30/12/Ole-Miss-tackle-in-Ohio-to-improve-stand/landing_browns.html?blockID=656092&feedID=3659

Nightfyre
02-04-2012, 09:10 PM
Massie seems to have a very professional attitude. Found this really positive story.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/30/12/Ole-Miss-tackle-in-Ohio-to-improve-stand/landing_browns.html?blockID=656092&feedID=3659

good read! rep!

ArrowheadMagic
02-04-2012, 10:28 PM
Dont like taking a G at 11, but DeCastro's shelf life is longer than Richardson. 11 next year most likely gets us a QB, but we will be healthy next year and pick in the mid 20's. such is the life of a Chiefs fan.

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-05-2012, 08:15 AM
The more I think about it if the 1st round pick is Trent Richardson then it's a total Pioli ( to keep selling Cassel as a "good" QB) pick but if it's Poe then of course then it's a Crennel selection.

Tribal Milan, the draft whisperer folks.