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Mr. Flopnuts
02-02-2012, 06:59 PM
http://cnnmoney.mobi/wk_snarticle?articleId=urn:newsml:CNNMoney.com:20120202:obama_tax_rich_jesus:1&category=cnnm_business

petegz28
02-02-2012, 07:04 PM
Yeah, Is aw that. Pretty pathetic, imo. I guess Obama feels people are to give back money that is really the Fed Gov's as Jesus said to give back to Ceasar what is Ceasar's?

La literatura
02-02-2012, 07:04 PM
1) It's often startling in a strange way to hear Obama call himself a Christian.
2) He, fortunately, didn't say that Jesus would support his plan, just that it fit into a general principle found in the teachings of Jesus.

go bowe
02-02-2012, 07:07 PM
jesus?

wwjd?

higher taxes for the rich?

oooo boy...

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 07:09 PM
Wha, wha what? If you pay more taxes you get into the His Kingdom of Heaven? Where's that in the Bible?

petegz28
02-02-2012, 07:09 PM
1) It's often startling in a strange way to hear Obama call himself a Christian.
2) He, fortunately, didn't say that Jesus would support his plan, just that it fit into a general principle found in the teachings of Jesus.

A general principal that when applied in said context would have one believe that only the finanicaly wealthy are blessed by God and that wealth is somehow a concern of God in the first place.

La literatura
02-02-2012, 07:13 PM
A general principal that when applied in said context would have one believe that only the finanicaly wealthy are blessed by God and that wealth is somehow a concern of God in the first place.

I don't think so. Agree with it or not, I think Obama is talking about the country. The country has given you, rich person, a lot.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 07:14 PM
I don't think so. Agree with it or not, I think Obama is talking about the country. The country has given you, rich person, a lot.

Then it's even more pathetic to invoke Jesus. He'd do better quoting Kennedy than Jesus, imo.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-02-2012, 07:23 PM
Wha, wha what? If you pay more taxes you get into the His Kingdom of Heaven? Where's that in the Bible?

Sounds distinctively Catholic to me....

petegz28
02-02-2012, 07:23 PM
Sounds distinctively Catholic to me....

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

petegz28
02-02-2012, 07:24 PM
Sounds distinctively Catholic to me....

It's a new sect....the Democratholics....yuk, yuk, yuk



Ok, I had to do it...sorry

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 07:36 PM
Sounds distinctively Catholic to me....

Well it is not. Even the Vatican doesn't have taxes.

Taco John
02-02-2012, 07:59 PM
I asked The Country for an Xbox for Christmas. The Country put it under my tree without me having to do a thing but WISH for it!

whoman69
02-02-2012, 08:06 PM
When will you admit that the $1 trillion tax cut that we have given our wealthiest citizens is not doing anything to help the economy or build jobs?

mikey23545
02-02-2012, 08:21 PM
When will you admit that the $1 trillion tax cut that we have given our wealthiest citizens is not doing anything to help the economy or build jobs?

You got your hand out, little man?

When will you admit a trillion dollar jobs plan drove the economy into a tailspin that we may never recover from?

dirk digler
02-02-2012, 08:23 PM
what would Joseph Smith do?

mnchiefsguy
02-02-2012, 08:28 PM
Interesting that Obama feels that way, given how little he has given to charity. I forget what the figures were, but both Obama and Biden were among the lowest givers to charity in their time in Congress. Romney, like him or hate him, has give millions. Not sure about Paul, Gingrich, or Santorum.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 08:29 PM
what would Joseph Smith do?

Would that be the Joseph Smith that lived two door's down and 1 over from Jesus? The Smith's of Nazareth block 3 hut #5???

mnchiefsguy
02-02-2012, 08:30 PM
Found these figures on Obama's charitable giving, but they are not up to date:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html

petegz28
02-02-2012, 08:31 PM
Found these figures on Obama's charitable giving, but they are not up to date:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html

I believe Romney gave $15 mil last year alone.

mnchiefsguy
02-02-2012, 08:34 PM
I believe Romney gave $15 mil last year alone.

I don't remember what the figure was, but it was in the millions, and I remember being impressed by it.

petegz28
02-02-2012, 08:37 PM
I don't remember what the figure was, but it was in the millions, and I remember being impressed by it.

I think the tax return he released said he paid $7 mil in taxes and donated $15 mil to charity.

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 08:39 PM
Given today's left predeliction for freedom from religion, Im a bit surprised there arent cat calls about the 'establishment of religion' by the President's quoting of scripture and alignment with government policy.

Im familiar with the passage he cites, and Im positive that Jesus was not talking about giving the government more money. I'll leave the atheist bible scholars (where's Braincase when you need him) to correct the President on his out of context quoting of the scripture, but I know it had nothing to do with the 'rich' paying more in taxes so the government can redistribute the wealth. Rather, it had to do with the gifts God has blessed individuals with and not financial gifts.

stevieray
02-02-2012, 08:39 PM
....does he not remember Notre Dame?..coupled with taking this verse out of context and using it to boast about his actions....pretty sure Jesus won't forget anytime soon....

....just like his self-admitted marxist spitiual advisor who likes to claim the Bible is about the redistribution of wealth...

...but hey santorum and bachman and romney's religion were/are front and center.

La literatura
02-02-2012, 08:47 PM
I don't remember what the figure was, but it was in the millions, and I remember being impressed by it.

One thing Mormons are pretty reliable at is giving back to the Mormon Church. It's why Mormon parents get pissed when their children decide to go to Stanford or Harvard instead of BYU.

La literatura
02-02-2012, 08:49 PM
Given today's left predeliction for freedom from religion, Im a bit surprised there arent cat calls about the 'establishment of religion' by the President's quoting of scripture and alignment with government policy.


Well, this was at the National Day of Prayer breakfast, which has been attacked as unconstitutional by a number of people on the left.

I agree with you about the general context of the Bible passage, by the way.

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 08:51 PM
what would Joseph Smith do?

ROFL Well played! LMAO :LOL:

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 08:52 PM
Interesting that Obama feels that way, given how little he has given to charity. I forget what the figures were, but both Obama and Biden were among the lowest givers to charity in their time in Congress. Romney, like him or hate him, has give millions. Not sure about Paul, Gingrich, or Santorum.

Paul routinely provided free medical care to those in need. He would take care of their bill.

HonestChieffan
02-02-2012, 08:56 PM
Election year so now we hear Obama prays every morning. Phoney POS.

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 09:01 PM
Well, this was at the National Day of Prayer breakfast, which has been attacked as unconstitutional by a number of people on the left.

I agree with you about the general context of the Bible passage, by the way.

Yeah, I get where/why he attempted to appear religious. It's this type of 'religion' that I find offends me more than anything else.

I can only imagine had a 'R' President quoted 2 Thessalonians 3:10 or 1 Timothy 1:1-10. The clucking would be endless.

go bowe
02-02-2012, 09:01 PM
Election year so now we hear Obama prays every morning. Phoney POS.

all politicians are phoney, what else is new?

maybe praying might help, it can't hurt...

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 09:05 PM
all politicians are phoney, what else is new?

maybe praying might help, it can't hurt...

LOL...I see what you did there...

fan4ever
02-02-2012, 11:17 PM
God must be the 1% kind of guy...

The Census Tax
The Lord said to Moses, “When you take the census of the people of Israel, then each shall give a ransom for his life to the Lord when you number them, that there be no plague among them when you number them. Each one who is numbered in the census shall give this: half a shekel [6] according to the shekel of the sanctuary (the shekel is twenty gerahs), [7] half a shekel as an offering to the Lord. Everyone who is numbered in the census, from twenty years old and upward, shall give the Lord's offering. The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less, than the half shekel, when you give the Lord's offering to make atonement for your lives. You shall take the atonement money from the people of Israel and shall give it for the service of the tent of meeting, that it may bring the people of Israel to remembrance before the Lord, so as to make atonement for your lives.”

Direckshun
02-03-2012, 12:13 AM
Oh noes, Obama's invoking religion to sell a policy.

I am going to start thinking this is stupid now.

Direckshun
02-03-2012, 12:15 AM
By the way, there's a chasm of difference between saying "my faith guides me to this policy" and "my god would totally support this."

But, you know. Nuance.

SNR
02-03-2012, 12:19 AM
Jesus also supports killing Arabs, right?

go bowe
02-03-2012, 12:33 AM
only gay arabs...

FishingRod
02-03-2012, 08:17 AM
only gay arabs...

Gayrabs?

patteeu
02-03-2012, 08:38 AM
I knew he wasn't a real Christian.

patteeu
02-03-2012, 08:45 AM
Interesting that Obama feels that way, given how little he has given to charity. I forget what the figures were, but both Obama and Biden were among the lowest givers to charity in their time in Congress. Romney, like him or hate him, has give millions. Not sure about Paul, Gingrich, or Santorum.

Dick Cheney is another guy who gave huge amounts to charity.

John Kerry and Al Gore were two other notorious skinflints when it comes to charitable giving.

I'm detecting a pattern here.

Donger
02-03-2012, 09:29 AM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus said something like, "It is easier for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

Amnorix
02-03-2012, 10:22 AM
That's nice. Since I don't give a damn what his position might be on, say, sodomy, then I equally don't give a damn on his thoughts regarding tax policy.

Nor do I care what Muhammad, Buddha, the Dalai Lama or Carnac the Magnificant think about it.



(Carnac the Magnificent was Johnny Carson's fake seer guy, for those who may remember).

blaise
02-03-2012, 10:35 AM
It doesn't bother me. I don't know why it would take a government tax for him to give his money away, though.

Radar Chief
02-03-2012, 10:41 AM
Has anyone actually checked with Tebow on this?

Bewbies
02-03-2012, 02:00 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus said something like, "It is easier for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

The eye of a needle. And that's a gate a camel can crawl thru, but it is difficult.

Bewbies
02-03-2012, 02:01 PM
Hasn't anyone read where Jesus said to steal from your brother in order to feed the widow? Its John 3:17.

KILLER_CLOWN
02-03-2012, 02:28 PM
God must be the 1% kind of guy...

The Census Tax
The Lord said to Moses, “When you take the census of the people of Israel, then each shall give a ransom for his life to the Lord when you number them, that there be no plague among them when you number them. Each one who is numbered in the census shall give this: half a shekel [6] according to the shekel of the sanctuary (the shekel is twenty gerahs), [7] half a shekel as an offering to the Lord. Everyone who is numbered in the census, from twenty years old and upward, shall give the Lord's offering. The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less, than the half shekel, when you give the Lord's offering to make atonement for your lives. You shall take the atonement money from the people of Israel and shall give it for the service of the tent of meeting, that it may bring the people of Israel to remembrance before the Lord, so as to make atonement for your lives.”

God approves of less than 1%, it has nothing to do with money though. ;)

notorious
02-04-2012, 11:54 AM
To all of the Obama haters:


You know what it says in the Bible about not forgiving people?


It's against it.


http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1547936732248&id=87422978bc5b009ffc30fbf57c15e03e

KC native
02-04-2012, 12:55 PM
http://f.static.memegenerator.net/cache/instances/500x/13/13737/14067498.jpg

Chiefshrink
02-04-2012, 01:01 PM
Given today's left predeliction for freedom from religion, Im a bit surprised there arent cat calls about the 'establishment of religion' by the President's quoting of scripture and alignment with government policy.

Im familiar with the passage he cites, and Im positive that Jesus was not talking about giving the government more money. I'll leave the atheist bible scholars (where's Braincase when you need him) to correct the President on his out of context quoting of the scripture, but I know it had nothing to do with the 'rich' paying more in taxes so the government can redistribute the wealth. Rather, it had to do with the gifts God has blessed individuals with and not financial gifts.

Marxists like to use the Bible,Jesus, Judeo/Christian ethics etc..... when it is convenient to push their Marxist Socialist Agenda. You know, blurring the issues, creating smokescreens hiding their real intentions with religious talk and actually using it against 'conservatives' to justify their hidden socialist agenda which is what Obama likes to do and what he is doing here:rolleyes:. Alinsky taught this religiously:D

Jesus when referring to "giving to Caesar what is Caesar's" had to do with total trust in HIM(Jesus) for your material needs regardless of what Caesar could take from you monetarily(taxes). That Jesus will always provide for you your physical needs when you totally trust in HIM regardless of how dire the situation and that you don't have to break the law to survive. Another scripture I like to live by that applies with this Caesar reference is Matthew 6:25-34:thumb:

Chiefshrink
02-04-2012, 01:06 PM
Hasn't anyone read where Jesus said to steal from your brother in order to feed the widow? Its John 3:17.

You may want to actually read that verse. Are you confusing it with another verse?

Because John 3:17 say's "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through HIM.

Nothing of stealing or widow in that verse.

Chiefshrink
02-04-2012, 01:07 PM
The eye of a needle. And that's a gate a camel can crawl thru, but it is difficult.

:thumb: correct on this one!

stevieray
02-04-2012, 01:11 PM
You may want to actually read that verse. Are you confusing it with another verse?

Because John 3:17 say's "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through HIM.

Nothing of stealing or widow in that verse.1 John...still doesn't apply.

Chiefshrink
02-04-2012, 01:17 PM
1 John...still doesn't apply.

Yeah, stealing from your brother to give to a widow? I know Jesus said we need to care for the widows in our churches but to steal from your brother to do it?:spock:

BucEyedPea
02-04-2012, 01:29 PM
Thous shalt not steal. ( Or is this too Old Testament'ish?)
I thought Christ came to full fill the Old Testament.

BWillie
02-04-2012, 01:41 PM
jesus?

wwjd?

higher taxes for the rich?

oooo boy...

Why wouldn't he? Didn't Jesus help the poor and lower class? Say what you want, but Jesus probably would support higher taxes on the rich. At least according to his folklore and if he was real. And I do not support Jesus.

Bewbies
02-04-2012, 11:32 PM
Why wouldn't he? Didn't Jesus help the poor and lower class? Say what you want, but Jesus probably would support higher taxes on the rich. At least according to his folklore and if he was real. And I do not support Jesus.

Personal charity is a lot different than forced redistribution.

Bewbies
02-04-2012, 11:32 PM
Re my John 3:17 quote, my sarcasm went undectected by the rank amateurs here..