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Taco John
02-02-2012, 07:43 PM
http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/map-owns_the_west.jpg

La literatura
02-02-2012, 08:09 PM
National Parks and reservations for different types of plants and animals (and indians) have to be a huge percentage of that.

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 08:11 PM
Disgusting!

banyon
02-02-2012, 08:14 PM
Most of the land in the west that isn't a park was BLM land that was non-arable and couldn't be given away to homesteaders back at the turn of the century.

Doesn't surprise me that BEP doesn't know that history either and just reflexive shouts "disgusting" as the sloppy blog map told her to.

Discuss Thrower
02-02-2012, 08:15 PM
Does anybody want any of that Nevada land considering it's been nuked?

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 08:21 PM
I don't have to know any history to see that the Federal govt still owns too much land and is buying more all the time—that they don't need. That just tells me how stupid the govt is because they buy crap with our tax dollars.

La literatura
02-02-2012, 08:27 PM
Another cool graph shows what pieces of federal property is currently on sale: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/fiscal/excess-property-map

BucEyedPea
02-02-2012, 08:29 PM
Apparently Obama is the midst of another federal land grab spree.
Turns out some of these federal lands grabs reduce jobs and have environmentalists behind them because some are threatened by oil and gas development. Lol!

Senator Jim DeMint comments:


White House Land Grab

You’d think the Obama administration is busy enough controlling the banks, insurance companies and automakers, but thanks to whistle blowers at the Department of the Interior, we now learn they’re planning to increase their control over energy-rich land in the West.

A secret administration memo has surfaced revealing plans for the federal government to seize more than 10 million acres from Montana to New Mexico, halting job- creating activities like ranching, forestry, mining and energy development. Worse, this land grab would dry up tax revenue that’s essential for funding schools, firehouses and community centers.

President Obama could enact the plans in this memo with just the stroke of a pen, without any input from the communities affected by it.

At a time when our national unemployment rate is 9.7 percent, it is unbelievable anyone would be looking to stop job-creating energy enterprises, yet that’s exactly what’s happening.

The document lists 14 properties that, according to the document, “might be good candidates” for Mr. Obama to nab through presidential proclamation. Apparently, Washington bureaucrats believe it’s more important to preserve grass and rocks for birdwatchers and backpackers than to keep these local economies thriving.

Administration officials claim the document is merely the product of a brainstorming session, but anyone who reads this memo can see that it is a wish list for the environmentalist left. It discusses, in detail, what kinds of animal populations would benefit from limiting human activity in those areas.

The 21-page document, marked “Internal Draft-NOT FOR RELEASE,” names 14 different lands Mr. Obama could completely close for development by unilaterally designating them as “monuments” under the 1906 Antiquities Act.

It says all kinds of animals would be better off by doing so, like the coyotes, badgers, grouse, chickens and lizards. But giving the chickens more room to roost is no reason for the government to override states’ rights.

Rep. Robert Bishop, Utah Republican, made the memo public because he didn’t want another unilateral land grab by the White House, like what happened under former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

Using the Antiquities Act, President Carter locked up more land than any other president had before him, taking more than 50 million acres in Alaska despite strong opposition from the state.

President Clinton used the authority 22 times to prohibit hunting, recreational vehicles, mining, forestry and even grazing in 5.9 million acres scattered around the country. The law allowed him to single-handedly create 19 new national monuments and expand three others without consulting anyone.

One of the monuments President Clinton created was the Grande Staircase-Escalante in Utah, where 135,000 acres of land were leased for oil and gas and about 65,000 barrels of oil were produced each year from five active wells. But, President Clinton put an end to developing those resources.

President Obama could do the same in other energy-rich places unless Congress takes action. At least 13.5 million acres are already on his Department of Interior’s real estate shopping list.

This includes a 58,000-acre area in New Mexico. The memo said this should be done so the lesser prairie chicken and the sand dune lizard will be better protected. Are these animals going extinct? No. The bureaucrats wrote that the land should be locked up to “avoid the necessity of listing either of these species as threatened or endangered.”

In Nevada, the Obama administration might make another monument in the Heart of the Great Basin because it, supposedly, is a “center of climate change scientific research.”

In Colorado, the government is considering designating the Vermillion Basin as a monument because it is “currently under the threat of oil and gas development.”

Americans should be wary of any plans a president has to seize land from the states without their consent. Any new plans to take away states’ freedom to use land as they see fit must be stopped.


More in the link
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/02/white-house-land-grab/?page=all

banyon
02-02-2012, 09:13 PM
I don't have to know any history to see that the Federal govt still owns too much land and is buying more all the time—that they don't need. That just tells me how stupid the govt is because they buy crap with our tax dollars.

What are you talking about buying all of this land? They got it in the f*cking Mexican American War back in 1848. Oh yeah, Ron Paul wouldn't have fought that war and we wouldn't even be talking about these states.

banyon
02-02-2012, 09:16 PM
Apparently Obama is the midst of another federal land grab spree.
Turns out some of these federal lands grabs reduce jobs and have environmentalists behind them because some are threatened by oil and gas development. Lol!

Senator Jim DeMint comments:

And someone else can't read or think critically.

The Antiquities Act doesn't allow the president to seize private land. It only allows him to re-designate lands that are already public (i.e., BLM lands to National Parks).

KCTitus
02-02-2012, 09:16 PM
Pffft...if your mortgage is held by Fannie or Freddie...the Federal Government also owns your land -- last I heard they held 95% of all mortgages. If that isnt added into the mix, it's a gross understatement.

When the dollar falls, debts will be backed by land...if you're not paid off, be prepared to move.

banyon
02-02-2012, 09:17 PM
Another cool graph shows what pieces of federal property is currently on sale: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/fiscal/excess-property-map

NO! The government is in a massive land grab! A Ron Paul blogger told me so!