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Chocolate Hog
02-07-2012, 07:41 PM
Looks like Rick Santorum is doing good lawlz

Pioli Zombie
02-07-2012, 07:49 PM
What's lawlz?

dirk digler
02-07-2012, 07:53 PM
Rick wins MO

Chocolate Hog
02-07-2012, 07:53 PM
What's lawlz?

LOL.

Rick Santorum is a joke the fact that he's winning tells us all we need to know about the Republican Party.

Pioli Zombie
02-07-2012, 07:56 PM
LOL.

Rick Santorum is a joke the fact that he's winning tells us all we need to know about the Republican Party.
and particularly how weak a front runner Romney is

dirk digler
02-07-2012, 08:03 PM
the way it is looking Santorum is going to sweep.

Otter
02-07-2012, 08:05 PM
Not really sure what anyone is cheering about unless you're just playing dumb homer. You're celebrating because your getting 5 1/2 inches of dick up your ass instead of 6 depending on if your looking thru blue glasses or red that subtract 1/2 a inch of dick of the correlating color.

At least their not winning.

Pioli Zombie
02-07-2012, 08:07 PM
CNN is declaring Santorum the winner of the Presidency of the United States. Wolf Blitzer and John King look like Giants fans climbing on each other

Taco John
02-07-2012, 08:43 PM
The Republican party is imploding before our very eyes.

dirk digler
02-07-2012, 08:56 PM
I thought caucus states is where Ron Paul would do good? I guess he sucks

Chocolate Hog
02-07-2012, 08:57 PM
Yeah 27% is awful but he'd do much better than Santorum in a general election so keep marginalizing the guy.

patteeu
02-07-2012, 09:10 PM
Yeah 27% is awful but he'd do much better than Santorum in a general election so keep marginalizing the guy.

That's like saying that Dennis Kucinich would do better than Chris Dodd in a general election. It's something interesting to think about but it's not something that we're likely to encounter in the real world. (Although I do think there's a chance that this primary season could elevate Rick Santorum to "next in line" status making him one of the leading contenders in 2020 when Mitt Romney's second term comes to a close).

Chocolate Hog
02-07-2012, 09:12 PM
That's like saying that Dennis Kucinich would do better than Chris Dodd in a general election. It's something interesting to think about but it's not something that we're likely to encounter in the real world. (Although I do think there's a chance that this primary season could elevate Rick Santorum to "next in line" status making him one of the leading contenders in 2020 when Mitt Romney's second term comes to a close).

Your ability to take something and spin it is amazing. Ron Paul can run third party and would gather more votes than Rick Santorum would if he wins the election.

Mitt Romney isn't going to win the election. It'll be another 4 years of Obama thanks to crazies like you.

orange
02-07-2012, 09:13 PM
It's the Revenge of Proposition 8!

http://www.fremantlecorp.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/program_full/Revenge%20of%20the%20Dead.jpg

patteeu
02-07-2012, 09:14 PM
Your ability to take something and spin it is amazing. Ron Paul can run third party and would gather more votes than Rick Santorum would if he wins the election.

Mitt Romney isn't going to win the election. It'll be another 4 years of Obama thanks to crazies like you.

Ron Paul already knows that he won't be running 3rd party. He's just leading his followers on by keeping the door cracked open.

Pioli Zombie
02-07-2012, 09:20 PM
Ron Paul already knows that he won't be running 3rd party. He's just leading his followers on by keeping the door cracked open.

Its funny to have the phrase "door cracked open" right after a post about prop 8

Chocolate Hog
02-07-2012, 09:21 PM
Ron Paul already knows that he won't be running 3rd party. He's just leading his followers on by keeping the door cracked open.

If Rick Santorum is the nominee the party will be in shambles. There will be no repercussions if that's the case.

patteeu
02-07-2012, 09:22 PM
Its funny to have the phrase "door cracked open" right after a post about prop 8

I meant to say that "he's just leading keeping his followers on bent over by keeping the their back door cracked open."

orange
02-07-2012, 09:29 PM
I meant to say that "he's just leading keeping his followers on bent over by keeping the their back door cracked open."

All the evidence suggests you're wrong. His followers couldn't easily pull out their wallets in that position.

alnorth
02-07-2012, 09:46 PM
Gingrich's decision to not even bother to file the paperwork to be on MO's ballot, thinking it meant nothing, looks stupid now. Its not the delegates that matters, no one is voting for another 3 weeks, he wont have any state to win for a while, its victories and momentum he needs. If Santorum somehow wins CO and pulls off a clean sweep, he might knock out Gingrich as the not-Romney candidate.

DementedLogic
02-07-2012, 09:57 PM
I thought caucus states is where Ron Paul would do good? I guess he sucks

Ron Paul will do well in Caucus states. These straw polls don't mean anything. It would not be surprising to see Ron Paul come out of Colorado and Minnesota with more delegates than Santorum.

Chocolate Hog
02-07-2012, 09:59 PM
Ron Paul just got 27% in Minnesota and polls 21% in Reuters National poll.

tk13
02-07-2012, 10:24 PM
It's amazing that some of these counties around Denver that had thousands and thousands of votes in 2008 barely have hundreds of votes tonight. That's amazing.

alnorth
02-07-2012, 10:29 PM
Denver just came through for Romney, but he's only got about a 350 vote (2%) lead. Its a race between Denver Suburbs/Colorado Springs, and the vast rural Santorum areas.

alnorth
02-07-2012, 10:31 PM
Santorum won every single county in MO, including the cities, by a huge landslide.

DBoweShow
02-07-2012, 10:35 PM
Santorum won every single county in MO, including the cities, by a huge landslide.

Too bad MO is a non-binding primary. Basically a waste of tax payers money.

orange
02-07-2012, 10:44 PM
It's amazing that some of these counties around Denver that had thousands and thousands of votes in 2008 barely have hundreds of votes tonight. That's amazing.

4 days ago:

http://media.arkansasonline.com/img/photos/2012/02/03/resized_99265-denver-snow_segr_50-15508_t598.jpg?b7052f07a6139e7088ebc43100469802b2560d37

Yesterday:

http://cbsdenver.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/aidan_shoveling_snow_february_4th_2012.jpg?w=311

tk13
02-07-2012, 11:01 PM
Colorado's GOP chair just announced live on CNN, they expect Santorum to win. Pretty unbelievable.

Otter
02-07-2012, 11:11 PM
Colorado's GOP chair just announced live on CNN, they expect Santorum to win. Pretty unbelievable.

Take up pro wrestling as a viewing hobby. It's a little more real with less consequences when the epiphany comes you've been duped.

ClevelandBronco
02-07-2012, 11:19 PM
My uninformed guess is that Arapahoe and Summit counties are the only counties that haven't reported yet where Romney would have much of a chance. It's Santorum.

ClevelandBronco
02-07-2012, 11:29 PM
That didn't take long.

Presidential Caucus Election Results

100% reporting (76 precincts)

Rick Santorum 40.2% (26,580)

Mitt Romney 34.9% (23,097)

Newt Gingrich 12.7% (8,457)

Ron Paul 11.7% (7,782)

|Zach|
02-07-2012, 11:34 PM
Romney is 0-for-3 in caucuses, 0-for-3 in the Midwest.

Taco John
02-07-2012, 11:54 PM
Reports coming in from the Paul camp. Paul got a pretty good load of delegates elected today despite the non-binding straw vote...

http://i.imgur.com/NZGpG.gif

YEAH!

Chocolate Hog
02-08-2012, 01:34 AM
Reports coming in from the Paul camp. Paul got a pretty good load of delegates elected today despite the non-binding straw vote...

http://i.imgur.com/NZGpG.gif

YEAH!

LOL I posted that a few weeks ago.

LOCOChief
02-08-2012, 05:38 AM
Yeah 27% is awful but he'd do much better than Santorum in a general election so keep marginalizing the guy.

Are you kidding?

Are you a child?

How do you function?

oldandslow
02-08-2012, 06:26 AM
Repubs are making Obama's job much to easy. Rick S. - Really? You mean the guy who lost his own senate seat by 17 points or so.

Rassmussen has BO at 51% approval today. I think it has more to do with the toxic sludge the repub party is becoming more that anything else.

dirk digler
02-08-2012, 07:05 AM
Reports coming in from the Paul camp. Paul got a pretty good load of delegates elected today despite the non-binding straw vote...

http://i.imgur.com/NZGpG.gif

YEAH!

He did?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Taco John
02-08-2012, 10:56 AM
He did?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

The delegate counts you see in the media are pretty well useless, and definitely wrong. When you look at them, no two sites have the same count. They're just guessing. What they're not doing is reporting what is actually happening and who is actually getting elected as delegates. They're just reporting based on what they figure the math works out to, not what the voting preferences of the actual delegate elected is.

BucEyedPea
02-08-2012, 10:57 AM
He did?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Lots of inaccuracies are being reported on delegate counts. Don't believe everything you read.

BucEyedPea
02-08-2012, 11:08 AM
Writes Jenny:

"Lew, I'm in Michele 'Jealous of Dr. Paul' Bachmann's district. He lost my precinct by a single vote to warmonger Satantorum. I counted them myself. Even more frightening is that a Catholic priest and myself couldn't get them to strike from the party platform the part which wishes to re-instate the death penalty in the state for ... drumroll ... serious offenses. They didn't even want to change serious offenses to murder. I signed up to be a delegate, so be assured, we have at least one anarchist infiltrating their system, thanks to LRC dragging me tooth and nail a few years back. Keep up the fight. You are very appreciated!"



http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/02/from-behind-enemy-lines/

Taco John
02-08-2012, 11:36 AM
He did?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

If you want to get a real picture of what's going on with delegates, here is a post by Eric Erikson of Red State which some perspective:



Ron Paul

A prominent friend told me some weeks ago that he noticed an odd thing. In his state, several people who have been successful in getting themselves known as very probably Mitt Romney delegates for the Republican National Convention are also his supporters. And they are not just my friends’ supporters, they are also long time staunch Ron Paul supporters.

Why then would they, long time staunch Ron Paul supporters, align this year with Mitt Romney? He made calls and talked to friends in other states. All of them saw the same thing happening — long time Dr. Paul supporters working to become delegates to the convention pledging to support Mitt Romney and others.

If the field stays fractured at this level, with only a few people, but each getting delegates enough to prevent the front runner from an outright majority, there will be a second vote at the Republican National Convention.

Delegates are only locked in for their candidate during the first vote. After the first vote, they can vote for whoever they want. So if Mitt Romney is unable to clear an outright majority on the first ballot, suddenly he could see some of his delegates turn on him — turn and go back to Ron Paul.

It is an ingenious strategy premised on a convention where no one gets majority support early. It plays well to a primary calendar where the delegates are first awarded proportionally. Who knows if it is a campaign strategy or just his volunteers, but the Paul campaign has been active now for four years trying to take over local parties.

It may pay off if the GOP doesn’t unite around a candidate soon.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/19/the-horserace-for-january-19-2012/

DementedLogic
02-08-2012, 12:52 PM
He did?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Do you have any clue how a non-Binding caucus system works. There have been no delegates assigned for Iowa, Missouri, Colorado, or Minnesota. Ron Paul supporters worked hard to be elected as precinct delegates because they understand how the system works. When the state conventions for all of these non-binding caucuses are over, people are going to be shocked with how many delegates Paul gets. If the RNC goes brokered, it frees up all of the delegates from binding caucuses and primaries. A lot of those delegates are Ron paul supporters as well.

alnorth
02-08-2012, 01:58 PM
He did?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

The AP's delegate estimate for caucus states is a worthless steaming pile of crap. If they were at all interested in being accurate, they would keep caucus delegates in the "unknown" column.

Romney/Santorum/Gingrich supporters vote and go home. Those who do stay dont want to be county and state delegates. Ron Paul voters do whatever they can to let other RP voters know who they are while appearing to be generic republicans, and they try to be elected to the county and state convention.

In 2008, Romney won the NV vote by far with RP getting only 20% or so of the vote. However, at the NV state convention, the NV GOP was stunned to find they were overrun by a big clear majority of Ron Paul supporters.

RP will massively outperform his vote total in caucus states, and the stupid media wont know that until they discover that fact. We could conceivably see them report that Romney won a slim majority of delegates to the convention, only to find that the stupid, stupid media was wrong when it turns out the caucus delegates are far more for Ron Paul than they predicted.

Taco John
02-08-2012, 03:05 PM
The Paul Campaign released a statement regarding the delegate progress:



CAMPAIGN IS WELL-POSITIONED IN DELEGATE RACE

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign released the following statement regarding the results of yesterday’s election results. See comments below from Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Manager John Tate.
“We are thrilled with the yesterday’s results. Our campaign to Restore America continues to gain ground, and we are poised to pick up even more delegates from Minnesota and Colorado adding to our delegates in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.

“As people across the country view the results of yesterday’s contests, it is important to consider a few facts that have not been clearly reported. Not one single delegate was awarded yesterday, instead the caucuses in Minnesota and Colorado were the very first step in the delegate selection process. And there are still over 40 states left to go. The Ron Paul campaign plans to continue to vie for delegates nationwide.

“There are a few significant takeaways from yesterday’s contests to remember:

1) The Missouri primary means nothing. It was a non-binding beauty contest, and the contest that matters in the ‘show me’ state won’t take place for another month. The Ron Paul campaign is well positioned to win delegates in Missouri’s caucus a month from now.

2) As in Iowa where not 1 of the 28 delegates has been awarded yet, in Colorado and Nevada the Paul campaign will do very well in the state delegate counts. We will have good numbers among the actual delegates awarded, far exceeding our straw poll numbers.

3) In Minnesota where we have finished a solid second, we also have a strong majority of the state convention delegates, and the process to elect delegates has also just begun, the Paul campaign is well-organized to win the bulk of delegates there.

“We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.

“We may well win Minnesota, and do far better in Colorado than yesterday’s polls indicate.

“In the latest national poll from Reuters/Ipsos Poll, Ron Paul places a strong second with 21 percent, gaining ground on his main competitor nationally, Mitt Romney, whose support seems to be fading at 29 percent. Congressman Paul’s support has grown by 5 percentage points nationally since January, while Romney has seen a 30 percent decline in his support since January.

“This poll follows a January 30th Gallup Poll showing Dr. Paul within the margin of error of defeating Obama. Also, a January 16th CNN/ORC Poll showed Congressman Paul and Obama in a virtual tie in a general election showdown.

“Yesterday’s contests were significant, but not a decisive or a conclusive end to this race. Our campaign will keep pushing forward and continue to take our message of liberty all the way to the convention. This race after all is about delegates, not about beauty contests.”

orange
02-08-2012, 03:26 PM
How many caucuses are left? And what's the big number - assuming Dr. Ninja manages to stealth ALL the caucus delegates?

Because you know he's not going to win any primaries.

alnorth
02-08-2012, 03:42 PM
How many caucuses are left? And what's the big number - assuming Dr. Ninja manages to stealth ALL the caucus delegates?

Because you know he's not going to win any primaries.

You are right, of course. The vast majority of the delegates are awarded in primaries, and many of those are winner take all. Ron Paul will have almost no chance to get many delegates from those states. If Romney can get a clear majority of all delegates from just primary state delegates, then none of this matters except to the extent that Romney graciously lets him have a prime-time speech.

More than likely, after massively outperforming in caucus states and getting almost zero'd out in primary states, he'll probably wind up with 15-20% or so of the delegates, about where his national vote total is. So, to those who cry foul, his shenanigans in caucus states cancel out the seemingly unfair practice of winner-take-all.

gblowfish
02-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Missouri Loves Buttfoam.

BucEyedPea
02-08-2012, 04:11 PM
Nevada vote fraud official
Paul may have been the winner there per this.
Chairwoman,Tarkanian resigns.

"As if anyone who’s been paying attention over the last few weeks is actually surprised, another caucus state is taken down by GOP officials, permanently altering the outcome of yet another election, rendering its results forever in question...

As it turns out, just as in Iowa, the likelihood that Ron Paul should have actually been the winner is very high. Not only did CNN show live coverage of a special late evening vote count in a populated Las Vegas precinct that had Ron Paul winning by almost 60%, statistics are showing that Ron Paul may have actually won the entire caucus by approx. the same margin, had in not been for another round of State GOP election fraud that is seemingly never going to be address by the powers that be, for obvious reasons..."

http://www.examiner.com/conspiracy-in-denver/nevada-vote-fraud-official

DementedLogic
02-08-2012, 04:15 PM
You are right, of course. The vast majority of the delegates are awarded in primaries, and many of those are winner take all. Ron Paul will have almost no chance to get many delegates from those states. If Romney can get a clear majority of all delegates from just primary state delegates, then none of this matters except to the extent that Romney graciously lets him have a prime-time speech.

More than likely, after massively outperforming in caucus states and getting almost zero'd out in primary states, he'll probably wind up with 15-20% or so of the delegates, about where his national vote total is. So, to those who cry foul, his shenanigans in caucus states cancel out the seemingly unfair practice of winner-take-all.

Yes, he is going to have trouble with winner take all primaries, but that only consists of 500 of the delegates. That doesn't mean that those delegates don't support Ron Paul, it just means they have to vote for the winner of their primary. However, if noone has the majority vote at the RNC, on the revote those delegates are no longer bound to vote for the winner of their primary. Ron Paul will get a lot more support on round 2 of voting.

You can call what he is doing shenanigans, but if the media wouldn't keep trying to hold him down, he would probably be doing a lot better. Regardless, Romney/Newt/Santorum can't beat Obama, because they aren't going to win over the Ron Paul supporters. That's the big difference. Romney/Newt/Santorum supporters will vote for Ron Paul if he gets the nomination, Ron Paul supporters won't vote for them. It would just be Obama vs Obama-lite.

orange
02-08-2012, 04:27 PM
Chairwoman,Tarkanian resigns.


At least TRY not to post idiocy. She resigned BEFORE the caucus - effective as soon as the caucus was over - because her husband is running for office and she was forced out by near-unanimous acclaim over the conflict-of-interest.

This is well known - even on the Paultard forums.

alnorth
02-08-2012, 05:34 PM
Nevada vote fraud official
Paul may have been the winner there per this.
Chairwoman,Tarkanian resigns.

"As if anyone who’s been paying attention over the last few weeks is actually surprised, another caucus state is taken down by GOP officials, permanently altering the outcome of yet another election, rendering its results forever in question...

As it turns out, just as in Iowa, the likelihood that Ron Paul should have actually been the winner is very high. Not only did CNN show live coverage of a special late evening vote count in a populated Las Vegas precinct that had Ron Paul winning by almost 60%, statistics are showing that Ron Paul may have actually won the entire caucus by approx. the same margin, had in not been for another round of State GOP election fraud that is seemingly never going to be address by the powers that be, for obvious reasons..."

http://www.examiner.com/conspiracy-in-denver/nevada-vote-fraud-official

Sounds like a nutty conspiracy article to me. Matt Strawn resigned for calling Iowa for Romney instead of waiting to confirm before Santorum won. Ron Paul had nothing to do with it. If they were going to rig an election, they would have done a better job of giving their preferred candidate a no-doubt lead.

I know its difficult to vote in caucuses and it takes effort, but the polls do make an effort to identify likely caucus-goers, and Ron Paul doesn't win those polls. I refuse to believe that RP won the NV straw poll, given the polling and the huge Mormon dynamic in that state.

Bewbies
02-08-2012, 05:36 PM
Ron Paul fans cause lots of lolz.

Dave Lane
02-08-2012, 05:37 PM
Ron Paul already knows that he won't be running 3rd party. He's just leading his followers on by keeping the door cracked open.

He never had a chance. One of the worst candidates in recent memory. Sort of Ross Perot take 2.

Actually I liked Perot better, still have a couple of his tshirts around here somewhere.

Taco John
02-08-2012, 05:47 PM
Nevada vote fraud official
Paul may have been the winner there per this.
Chairwoman,Tarkanian resigns.

"As if anyone who’s been paying attention over the last few weeks is actually surprised, another caucus state is taken down by GOP officials, permanently altering the outcome of yet another election, rendering its results forever in question...

As it turns out, just as in Iowa, the likelihood that Ron Paul should have actually been the winner is very high. Not only did CNN show live coverage of a special late evening vote count in a populated Las Vegas precinct that had Ron Paul winning by almost 60%, statistics are showing that Ron Paul may have actually won the entire caucus by approx. the same margin, had in not been for another round of State GOP election fraud that is seemingly never going to be address by the powers that be, for obvious reasons..."

http://www.examiner.com/conspiracy-in-denver/nevada-vote-fraud-official

I don't buy it. I think it's as simple as Paul supporters not going out to the caucuses. The problem the Paul campaign has is that it relies on the youth vote, and if history has shown anything it's that if there's one thing about the youth vote that you can count on, it's that you can't count on it.

That said, I think where the delegates are concerned Paul is going to do very well in all the caucus states. Whether or not he can turn this into primary momentum is still to be determined. Given the results this week, there's every reason to believe it's a possibility. The bottom line is that neither Santorum or Gingrich are doing well at all where delegates are concerned. Both of them are losing the delegate battle to Romney and Paul - they're getting absolutely battered.

Taco John
02-09-2012, 12:09 AM
Slate is catching on:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/02/08/ron_paul_secretly_won_the_caucuses.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_like_blogpost&fb_source=home_oneline


They all laughed at Ron Paul. They all laughed when he took a stage in Minnesota, having come in a solid second place, and reminded the faithful of a "little thing called delegates!"

They were serious about it. Paul's people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what's occuring.

We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:


- In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

- In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

- In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

- We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.


For this to stick, Paul's activists have to show up at the next votes -- small affairs, not much media, happening in March -- and control the delegate process. Then they have to show up at conventions and repeat it. This is actually doable.

Taco John
02-09-2012, 12:19 AM
From all the accounts I'm reading on the various Paul forums, the Paul campaign absolutely cleaned up this week and are in a solid second place where delegates are concerned. There's a lot of posts on the forums like "I was elected as a delegate last night in MN. We took all the spots."

Santorum spent all that money and I haven't read an account yet where he got a single delegate elected. Everything I've read has the Paul organization cleaning up, with Romney picking up the scraps.

Taco John
02-09-2012, 01:05 AM
For the record, I don't know that I believe Paul is going to win the nomination. What I do believe is that the Republican party is in civil war, and that we own the youth movement. Right now, we've got a delegate strategy that is working. We're cleaning up in the caucus states. Think of the money Santorum spent on these last three "wins" only to see all the delegates go to Ron Paul (Great, you won the straw poll, but your organization sucks).

I don't know that Paul will get the nomination (he probably wont, but I'm still holding out for a black swan event), but what I do know is that we're going to be a player when it comes to shaping the platform. And if they chase us out to a third party, it will be because they chased us out and made it clear that our ideas no longer belong in the Republican party. I'm perfectly fine with that. I'd happily take my vote and the Republican youth vote to a third party that I believe polls show would attract enough independents and democrats to be meaningful. I don't think we'd win right away, but I'd happily take my chances for the future of America.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:00 AM
Sounds like a nutty conspiracy article to me. Matt Strawn resigned for calling Iowa for Romney instead of waiting to confirm before Santorum won. Ron Paul had nothing to do with it. If they were going to rig an election, they would have done a better job of giving their preferred candidate a no-doubt lead.

I know its difficult to vote in caucuses and it takes effort, but the polls do make an effort to identify likely caucus-goers, and Ron Paul doesn't win those polls. I refuse to believe that RP won the NV straw poll, given the polling and the huge Mormon dynamic in that state.

I don't think so. There were additional ballots found that did not match the amount that signed in.
Then there were delays in counting. A Paul PAC is going after them on it. Part of that article may not be all accurate but I think something happened. The AG in VA is going after the Gingrich campaign for fraud even.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:02 AM
Ron Paul fans cause lots of lolz.

I see you come up empty—as usual. Bewbies cause lots of lolz when he makes fun of Paul fans for most of his posts.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:15 AM
"CPAC Seeks To Block Another Ron Paul Victory
CPAC, the annual gathering of Beltway cons and neocons, has freaked out the last two years as Ron won its presidential straw polls overwhelmingly, thanks to all the young people he was able to attract. The org was especially outraged as the Ron Paul kids in attendance last year failed to give the obligatory adulation to war criminals Cheney and Rumsfeld. So CPAC has changed its voting method, discarding paper ballots for electronic ones, making the election easy to steal. But Ron is not speaking--he's campaigning in Maine--nor is his campaign taking part."~ Rockwell reports


WASHINGTON -- The organizers of a major conservative conference here over the next three days are trying to widen participation in a straw poll, a not-too-subtle attempt to give a Republican presidential candidate other than Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) a chance to win.

For the past two years, Paul has won, by large margins, a straw poll of attendees at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference. The results have been something of an embarrassment for CPAC, organized by the American Conservative Union, which comes from a more traditional conservative point of view than Paul's libertarian-tinged version.

This year, the American Conservative Union and CPAC are moving from paper ballots to electronic voting that will be accessible from a computer or a handheld device, said Al Cardenas, the conservative union's current president. He told The Huffington Post that he hopes this will increase the number of attendees who participate in the straw poll.

"Obviously, in the past, it's been somewhat compromised because only a third of the people who attend voted," Cardenas said in an interview. "It used to be a fairly cumbersome process because you had to do it manually. Now, for the first time this year we're instituting an electronic vote.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/cpac-ron-paul-_n_1264500.html


CORRUPT!

Chocolate Hog
02-09-2012, 02:31 PM
From all the accounts I'm reading on the various Paul forums, the Paul campaign absolutely cleaned up this week and are in a solid second place where delegates are concerned. There's a lot of posts on the forums like "I was elected as a delegate last night in MN. We took all the spots."

Santorum spent all that money and I haven't read an account yet where he got a single delegate elected. Everything I've read has the Paul organization cleaning up, with Romney picking up the scraps.

Yup here in Kansas while people only get involved in politics every 4 years we were getting Liberty minded people to become precinct leaders. We now have Ron Paul friendly people on the committee who will help select which delegates go to Florida.