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Taco John
02-08-2012, 05:58 PM
20% OF REPUBLICANS LEANING TO OBAMA!

WASHINGTON – For critics of Barack Obama, 2012 has been portrayed as a do-or-die year for the country – an election that will determine whether America stays on the road to European-style socialism or veers right to reclaim its positions as the most vibrant economy in the world and the home of individual liberty.

But the 2012 election is looking more like a replay of 2008 than a do-over.

The latest WND/Wenzel Poll shows none of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates has solidified the base of the party, with one in five GOP voters leaning toward support of Obama in November.

The results are from the public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies. The poll was conducted Feb. 1-3, 2012, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.44 percentage points.

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“The improvement in Obama’s prospects compared to the four remaining Republican challengers stems largely from two factors,” suggests pollster Fritz Wenzel. “First, Obama has largely avoided the political limelight while the GOP candidates savage each other with increasing intensity. Second, a smattering of evidence indicates that the economy is getting a little better, which helps the White House in the eyes of the voters. Secondly, the bloody fight for the Republican presidential nomination – by most estimations the nastiest GOP fight in memory – has really hurt the images of the challengers in the eyes of both Republicans and, especially, independent voters. For Republicans, each candidate carries with them now some taint that cannot be ignored.”

In every case except the match-up against Ron Paul, more than 20 percent of Republican voters said they are more likely to support Obama than the Republican challenger. And Ron Paul is close, as 19 percent of Republicans said they are more likely to support Obama than Paul.

Making the situation more bleak for opponents of Obama, independent voters are apparently quite put off with the Republican nomination fight. While polls last fall showed them leaning Republican by roughly a two-to-one margin, they are now either split evenly or favoring Obama.

“What must be particularly alarming to every Republican campaign regarding this nasty fight is that, even among those who say they think the nation is heading in the wrong direction, Obama still wins at least 20 percent support in head-to-head match-ups against the four remaining Republicans, and among those who said they were unsure about the overall direction of the nation, Obama wins by overwhelming percentages,” observes Wenzel.

Obama also has made tremendous inroads on enemy territory against each of the four Republicans, winning roughly 20 percent support among conservatives and even those who consider themselves to be very conservative. And, even against Mitt Romney, considered by many to be the most moderate of the GOP bunch, Obama defeats him by a large margin among moderate voters.

“Obama has masterfully positioned himself to lower expectations among the electorate in terms of economic progress, and has sat idly by while Republicans – mostly Romney and Newt Gingrich – destroy each other’s reputations,” said Wenzel. “While the Obama-Clinton nomination battle lasted well into the spring four years ago, it never got as nasty as this year’s fight between Romney and Gingrich, which now appears to be very personal in nature. Obama was able to recover nicely by the time the general election campaign rolled around. If either Romney or Gingrich wins the nomination – and that is a long way from being determined – it is doubtful either will recover to full strength by the fall campaign. This poll indicates that it is more the negativity of the Republican nomination fight and less the small improvement in the economy that has changed the national political landscape.”

It does help Obama that the recent upbeat economic news appears to have buoyed spirit nationwide. One third of respondents – 34 percent — said Obama has exceeded expectations during his first term in office, while another 20 percent said he has performed as expected. Less than half – 47 percent – said he has fallen short of their expectations for him as president.

Among independents, 60 percent said Obama has either met or exceeded expectations. Among political moderates, 52 percent said the same thing.

Obama would defeat all of the four Republicans if the election were held today, but Ron Paul fares the best against the incumbent. Obama leads Paul, 44 percent to 40 percent, with 16 percent undecided.

“This is likely a reflection of discontent over Obama’s handling of the economy and, in particular, his outsized appetite for deficit spending,” observed Wenzel. “Paul has far and away offered the clearest and most serious plan to cut federal spending, and it appears to be recognized by these survey respondents.”

Romney also is within single digits of Obama, currently trailing, 48 percent to 41 percent. Obama leads both Gingrich and Rick Santorum Santorum by double-digits. Obama leads Gingrich, 50 percent to 36 percent, and Santorum, 49 percent to 34 percent.

Nearly one-quarter of Republicans abandon both Gingrich and Santorum, and Obama leads both men by big margins among independent voters.


More:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/20-of-republicans-leaning-to-obama/

Taco John
02-08-2012, 05:59 PM
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Guru
02-08-2012, 05:59 PM
RINOs

whoman69
02-08-2012, 07:04 PM
RINOs

Sorry not everyone can measure up to the Republican conservative litmus test.

chiefforlife
02-08-2012, 07:06 PM
Its Ron Paul or Obama for me.

Bewbies
02-08-2012, 07:31 PM
Its Ron Paul or Obama for me.

I have no idea how one gets here.

DaveNull
02-08-2012, 07:32 PM
You like low taxes and a broad interpretation of civil liberties.

chiefforlife
02-08-2012, 07:46 PM
I have no idea how one gets here.

He is the only Republican I trust and, IMO, Obama is better than any of the other candidates. So if I cant vote for Paul, it will be Mr. Obama.

Guru
02-08-2012, 09:52 PM
Sorry not everyone can measure up to the Republican conservative litmus test.

I don't see how anyone can bring themselves to vote for Obama.

Yes, I have voted democrat before. Then I wised up. :)

Direckshun
02-08-2012, 09:54 PM
I don't see how anyone can bring themselves to vote for Obama.

Yes, I have voted democrat before. Then I wised up. :)

If only more people had the wisdom to pull the lever for McCain/Palin.

And soon, Romney.

Enjoy.

Guru
02-09-2012, 01:14 AM
If only more people had the wisdom to pull the lever for McCain/Palin.

And soon, Romney.

Enjoy.
Who said I would pull the lever for any those? I certainly didn't for McCain/Palin.

But there is no way on God's green earth that I would ever pull the lever for Obama.

Hell, I may even exercise my right NOT to vote since my vote means shit in Kansas anyway. With very few exceptions, this state always goes republican anyway.

Chiefshrink
02-09-2012, 07:40 AM
RINOs

Precisely:rolleyes:

Chiefshrink
02-09-2012, 07:42 AM
Who said I would pull the lever for any those? I certainly didn't for McCain/Palin.

But there is no way on God's green earth that I would ever pull the lever for Obama.

Hell, I may even exercise my right NOT to vote since my vote means shit in Kansas anyway. With very few exceptions, this state always goes republican anyway.

I get your point but a no vote is actually a vote for OMarxist and I know you know this already. Just hold your nose and pull the lever anyway regardless of who our nominee happens to be.

SNR
02-09-2012, 07:49 AM
I get your point but a no vote is actually a vote for OMarxist and I know you know this already. Just hold your nose and pull the lever anyway regardless of who our nominee happens to be.
Not voting might be a vote for Obama.

In Iowa.

In Kansas, however, you can comfortably vote for Mickey Mouse and you will have done your part to help in the remove-Obama-from-office cause.

Chiefshrink
02-09-2012, 07:54 AM
I have no idea how one gets here.


Precisely. It's obvious he has not asked the real hard questions of life and not thoroughly examined both sides of political arguments and their long term consequences to society thinking that he already has done this which leads me to believe this guy is a youngster.

His unrealistic idealism(his heart) sides with OMarxist but the pragmatic facts of real life in America lead his mind(his intellect) towards Paul.

Oh the dilemma:eek:

Dave Lane
02-09-2012, 08:07 AM
So the republicans best hope is the economy tanks? I have to say the main issue is the lack of broad appeal for any of the candidates but particularly Ron Paul. His message resonates with the young and naive.

FishingRod
02-09-2012, 08:23 AM
Last time everyone said anyone but this bozo and look at what we got. The big O may somehow be profiting from the fear his last couple year have brought. Strange .

ChiTown
02-09-2012, 08:41 AM
I've already resigned myself to the fact that we will have 4 more years of O'handout. I just don't give a shit anymore. I'm going to continue to do my best to make enough money to help him redistribute it to those who won't get off their asses to work.

The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. We are the Party of the disorganized. The Party of mediocre candidates. The Party of fucking misfits, and the Party of good, hardworking, entrepreneurial constituents who can't find a single person worth a shit to represent them for POTUS.

alpha_omega
02-09-2012, 08:49 AM
1 out of 5....no way.

Mr. Kotter
02-09-2012, 09:11 AM
I've already resigned myself to the fact that we will have 4 more years of O'handout. I just don't give a shit anymore. I'm going to continue to do my best to make enough money to help him redistribute it to those who won't get off their asses to work.

The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. We are the Party of the disorganized. The Party of mediocre candidates. The Party of ****ing misfits, and the Party of good, hardworking, entrepreneurial constituents who can't find a single person worth a shit to represent them for POTUS.

Well, some of ya'all are finally figuring it out. :toast:


If enough of you do, maybe you'll fix it, so real independents will have a real choice.

King_Chief_Fan
02-09-2012, 09:29 AM
If only more people had the wisdom to pull the lever for McCain/Palin.

And soon, Romney.

Enjoy.

after the damage of the past 4 years, a person gets anxious to vote in anyone but the current. Hell, almost to the point to vote for you until I figured out that won't change anything

ChiTown
02-09-2012, 09:36 AM
Well, some of ya'all are finally figuring it out. :toast:


If enough of you do, maybe you'll fix it, so real independents will have a real choice.

I don't give a shit about Independents. I'm talking about a real fiscal Conservative with a backbone to stand up for the Republican Party believes in. I'm sick of these moderate wanna be's who pander to everyone except for the Party for which they are supposed to stand for.

If Ron Paul wasn't such an international pussy, I'd vote for him. But he's the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man on Foreign Affairs. Can't do it. I track with Santorum on a lot of fiscal issues, but Socially, he's way too over-the-top for me. Newt is a chemical disaster wrapped up in an atomic bomb being batted around by an F5 Hurricane. And, Romney.........:facepalm: This guy is a moderate, disguised as a moderate, claiming to be a true conservative. No ****ing thank you. Well, there's my choices. I get to chose the guy that will get to finish 2nd place to a standing POTUS who has driven our debt/economic malaise/jobs/self-worth into oblivion. YAY for all of us!

KILLER_CLOWN
02-09-2012, 09:49 AM
I don't give a shit about Independents. I'm talking about a real fiscal Conservative with a backbone to stand up for the Republican Party believes in. I'm sick of these moderate wanna be's who pander to everyone except for the Party for which they are supposed to stand for.

If Ron Paul wasn't such an international pussy, I'd vote for him. But he's the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man on Foreign Affairs. Can't do it. I track with Santorum on a lot of fiscal issues, but Socially, he's way too over-the-top for me. Newt is a chemical disaster wrapped up in an atomic bomb being batted around by an F5 Hurricane. And, Romney.........:facepalm: This guy is a moderate, disguised as a moderate, claiming to be a true conservative. No ****ing thank you. Well, there's my choices. I get to chose the guy that will get to finish 2nd place to a standing POTUS who has driven our debt/economic malaise/jobs/self-worth into oblivion. YAY for all of us!

You've obviously lost your burst.

ChiTown
02-09-2012, 09:50 AM
You've obviously lost your burst.

A lack of qualified Republican Candidates in the last 2 elections has killed any burst that I had remaining in my system.

Mr. Kotter
02-09-2012, 09:52 AM
I don't give a shit about Independents. I'm talking about a real fiscal Conservative with a backbone to stand up for the Republican Party believes in. I'm sick of these moderate wanna be's who pander to everyone except for the Party for which they are supposed to stand for.

If Ron Paul wasn't such an international pussy, I'd vote for him. But he's the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man on Foreign Affairs. Can't do it. I track with Santorum on a lot of fiscal issues, but Socially, he's way too over-the-top for me. Newt is a chemical disaster wrapped up in an atomic bomb being batted around by an F5 Hurricane. And, Romney.........:facepalm: This guy is a moderate, disguised as a moderate, claiming to be a true conservative. No ****ing thank you. Well, there's my choices. I get to chose the guy that will get to finish 2nd place to a standing POTUS who has driven our debt/economic malaise/jobs/self-worth into oblivion. YAY for all of us!

Neither party wins without winning the independent vote. A reasonable fiscal conservative who offered a balanced approach to fixing the mess the current political climate has created, could be welcomed by many moderate and independent types. The problem, as you seem to understand, is the Republicans aren't seriously interested in offering an reasonable fiscal conservative--instead they are bending over for the Tea Party and top 1%-er whack jobs. Obama isn't a great choice either, but when the other side's only campaign slogan amounts to "We aint' Obama!"...it won't be enough.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 09:52 AM
Precisely:rolleyes:

Not necessarily all of them. Could be a protest vote for some. Could be an anti-war-with-Iran vote too. Even I considered it fleetingly—solely because of the push for another war and to punish my party for the candidates they're fielding on FP. The Republicans are the National Socialist Party including their recent acceptance of premptive war. Ya' know one of the charges the Nazis were put on trial and convicted for. I thought we fought and defeated fascism.

America was Great when America was Good.


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BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 09:57 AM
If Ron Paul wasn't such an international pussy, I'd vote for him. But he's the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man on Foreign Affairs. Can't do it. I track with Santorum on a lot of fiscal issues, but Socially, he's way too over-the-top for me. Newt is a chemical disaster wrapped up in an atomic bomb being batted around by an F5 Hurricane. And, Romney.........:facepalm: This guy is a moderate, disguised as a moderate, claiming to be a true conservative. No ****ing thank you. Well, there's my choices. I get to chose the guy that will get to finish 2nd place to a standing POTUS who has driven our debt/economic malaise/jobs/self-worth into oblivion. YAY for all of us!

LOL!

Actually bullies are the real pussies. That's why they have to beat everyone up that isn't a threat.

ChiTown
02-09-2012, 09:59 AM
LOL!

Actually bullies are the real pussies. That's why they have to beat everyone up that isn't a threat.

You mad, Bro-Ann?

Mr. Kotter
02-09-2012, 10:00 AM
LOL!

Actually bullies are the real pussies. That's why they have to beat everyone up that isn't a threat.

Well said, Mr. Neville Chamberlain. Hitler wants to talk to you on line two. :rolleyes:

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:04 AM
You mad, Bro-Ann?

I think you need to look in the mirror. Bullies are afraid of people.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:06 AM
Well said, Mr. Neville Chamberlain. Hitler wants to talk to you on line two. :rolleyes:

It's the reverse, since we have the military buildup and are using preemptive war—something previously considered wrong. Remember this is what the Nazis did. Then we put them on trial at Nuremberg and not just for crimes against humanity but for preemptive war.

Mr. Kotter
02-09-2012, 10:09 AM
It's the reverse, since we have the military buildup and are using preemptive war—something previously considered wrong. Remember this is what the Nazis did. Then we put them on trial at Nuremberg and not just for crimes against humanity but for preemptive war.

Yeah, we're just like the Nazis... holy crap, you are whacked. LMAO

KILLER_CLOWN
02-09-2012, 10:14 AM
Well said, Mr. Neville Chamberlain. Hitler wants to talk to you on line two. :rolleyes:

Who might Hitler be in this fictional scenario? Bass Ackwards indeed.

ChiTown
02-09-2012, 10:16 AM
It's the reverse, since we have the military buildup and are using preemptive war—something previously considered wrong. Remember this is what the Nazis did. Then we put them on trial at Nuremberg and not just for crimes against humanity but for preemptive war.

I think you need a permanent timeout if you have the ovaries to even remotely compare the Nazi regime/motives to anything the US has done in recent years. You are a fucking lunatic of biblical proportions.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:17 AM
I think you need a permanent timeout if you have the ovaries to even remotely compare the Nazi regime/motives to anything the US has done in recent years. You are a ****ing lunatic of biblical proportions.

So you can't refute it effectively. Got it! LMAO


Now I really must seriously ponder Obama just to stop another pre-emptive war.

ChiTown
02-09-2012, 10:18 AM
So you can't refute it effectively. Got it! LMAO

Refute what? That you are a fucking moron? Well, no, I can't. That mystery was solved on CP years ago after you first started posting.

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:19 AM
Bully at the level of thought. Skeer'd of the truth cause it hurts.

mikey23545
02-09-2012, 10:27 AM
I think everyone has completely missed what whack-job website conducted this no-doubt accurate poll...

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 10:32 AM
This country must be made up of Neville Chamberlains when 73%, more in some polls, are sick of war.
This alone means defeat of the GOP. A well-deserved one imo.

mikey23545
02-09-2012, 10:52 AM
This country must be made up of Neville Chamberlains when 73%, more in some polls, are sick of war.
This alone means defeat of the GOP. A well-deserved one imo.

You can skew any poll by asking the questions in Paulbot phrasing..."Do you wish the world was made of cotton candy and marshmallows and everyone loved each other and yet hated the Fed?"

Let's see the results of a poll that asks "Would you be willing to take military action against Iran to prevent them from obtaining and using nuclear weapons?"

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 11:02 AM
I'm not going by the poll that this thread is based on. The polls on war have been consistent and they are not skewed. The media promotes the lies...with no alternative media to refute them, and then they poll. This merely tests whether the lies are working or not. The inputs are false. Those that believe the lies of the state need to exit The Truman Show and start thinking when an Iraq redux is taking place.

How to Think: An Introduction to Logic (http://academy.mises.org/courses/logic/?utm_source=AcademyEmail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Link&utm_campaign=Weekly_Emails)

thecoffeeguy
02-09-2012, 11:10 AM
He is the only Republican I trust and, IMO, Obama is better than any of the other candidates. So if I cant vote for Paul, it will be Mr. Obama.

:banghead:

:doh!:

BucEyedPea
02-09-2012, 11:13 AM
You can skew any poll by asking the questions in Paulbot phrasing..."Do you wish the world was made of cotton candy and marshmallows and everyone loved each other and yet hated the Fed?"

Let's see the results of a poll that asks "Would you be willing to take military action against Iran to prevent them from obtaining and using nuclear weapons?"

Just use the word "war" instead...because I assure you it will be more than just a military action.
Then again, your question implies a false input.

How about we ask how they feel about this statement by the head of Mossad:
Do you agree with the head of the Israeli spy agency, Mossad, that Iran getting a nuclear weapon is not an existential threat to Israel?

Or

Do you believe the same people who took us into Iraq on phony WMD charges regarding Iran?

How about some questions that plant the seeds of doubt about Iran not cooperating on the inspections but implying they have cooperated. ( which is a fact )

My arse, your question is the right one to ask—it alludes to Iran obtaining a nuke as a fact when that is not a fact and plants that seed in their minds already. How objective!

vailpass
02-09-2012, 01:20 PM
Its Ron Paul or Obama for me.

ROFL

vailpass
02-09-2012, 01:21 PM
1 out of 5....no way.

This.

ClevelandBronco
02-09-2012, 02:58 PM
So the republicans best hope is the economy tanks? I have to say the main issue is the lack of broad appeal for any of the candidates but particularly Ron Paul. His message resonates with the young and naive.

What's left to tank?

LOCOChief
02-09-2012, 03:00 PM
I have had a tingling feeling up and down my leg here recently but I thought that was just poor circulation and had nothing to do with Obama.

Chiefshrink
02-09-2012, 03:04 PM
1 out of 5....no way.

No way is absolutely right! The author of this article is a Ron Paul pollster which explains everything:rolleyes:

ROYC75
02-09-2012, 03:11 PM
Polls are showing that only 30% of Americans are paying attention to the POTUS Republican race.

vailpass
02-09-2012, 03:20 PM
No way is absolutely right! The author of this article is a Ron Paul pollster which explains everything:rolleyes:

Is he related to the Ron Paul PAC administrator that is also a 9/11 truther?

Guru
02-09-2012, 03:28 PM
Polls are showing that only 30% of Americans are paying attention to the POTUS Republican race.

I know I'm not paying much attention to it. Once it is down to a two horse race is when I start to really focus on it. Like I said, being in Kansas is like being neutered when it comes to voting on the national level. The only poll I feel like I have any say in is the primary.

Ugly Duck
02-09-2012, 04:01 PM
1 out of 5....no way.

You misunderestimate the American people:

Gallup Poll: Four out of Five Americans Know Earth Revolves Around Sun

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around

http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx

go bowe
02-09-2012, 05:07 PM
You misunderestimate the American people:

Gallup Poll: Four out of Five Americans Know Earth Revolves Around Sun

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around

http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx

pfffffffft...

communist rag...

who cares what some guy named after a running horse says about anything?

donkhater
02-09-2012, 05:16 PM
Its Ron Paul or Obama for me.

Wow. The two are exact opposites. How one comes to that is beyond comprehension.

Ugly Duck
02-09-2012, 05:32 PM
pfffffffft...

communist rag...

How is it possible that All-American George Gallup can be considered a communist? That one went way over my head....

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1948/1101480503_400.jpg

go bowe
02-09-2012, 05:39 PM
meter, adjust it... :) :) :)